Britons protest over Israel plan to remove 70,000 Palestinian Bedouins
More than 50 public figures including Antony Gormley and Brian Eno put names to letter opposing expulsion from historic land
Harriet Sherwood in Jerusalem
theguardian.com, Friday 29 November 2013 13.49 EST
More than 50 public figures in Britain, including high-profile artists, musicians and writers, have put their names to a letter opposing an Israeli plan to forcibly remove up to 70,000 Palestinian Bedouins from their historic desert land – an act condemned by critics as ethnic cleansing.
The letter, published in the Guardian, is part of a day of protest on Saturday in Israel, Palestine and two dozen other countries over an Israeli parliamentary bill that is expected to get final approval by the end of this year.
The eviction and destruction of about 35 "unrecognised" villages in the Negev desert will, the letter says, "mean the forced displacement of Palestinians from their homes and land, and systematic discrimination and separation".
The signatories – who include the artist Antony Gormley, the actor Julie Christie, the film director Mike Leigh and the musician Brian Eno – are demanding that the British government holds Israel to account over its human rights record and obligations under international law.
According to Israel, the aims of the Prawer Plan – named after the head of a government commission, Ehud Prawer – are economic development of the Negev desert and the regulation of Palestinian Bedouins living in villages not recognised by the state.
The population of these villages will be removed to designated towns, while plans for new Jewish settlements in the area are enacted.
But Adalah, a human rights and legal centre for Arabs in Israel, says: "The real purpose of the legislation [is] the complete and final severance of the Bedouin's historical ties to their land."
The "unrecognised" villages in the Negev, whose populations range from a few hundred to 2,000, lack basic services such as running water, electricity, landline telephones, roads, high schools and health clinics. Some consist of a few shacks and animal pens made from corrugated iron; others include concrete houses and mosques built without necessary but unobtainable permission.
The Bedouin comprise about 30% of the Negev's population but their villages take up only 2.5% of the land. Before the state of Israel was created in 1948 they roamed widely across the desert; now, two-thirds of the region has been designated as military training grounds and firing ranges.
Under the Prawer Plan, between 40,000 and 70,000 of the remaining Bedouin – who became Israeli citizens in the 1950s – will be moved into seven over-crowded, impoverished, crime-ridden state-planned towns. The Israeli government says it is an opportunity for Bedouins to live in modern homes, take regular jobs and send their children to mainstream schools. They will be offered compensation to move, it adds.
Miranda Pennell, a film-maker and one of the letter's signatories, said: "Citizenship counts for nothing in Israel if you happen to be an Arab. Tens of thousands of Palestinian Bedouin are being forcibly displaced from their homes and lands. At the same time, there are Israeli government advertisements on the web that promise you funding as a British immigrant to come and live in 'vibrant communities' in the Negev – if you are Jewish. This is ethnic cleansing."
The actor David Calder said: "The Israeli state not only practices apartheid against the Palestinians in the occupied Palestinian territories, but it seems they have no hesitation in practicing apartheid on their own citizens – in this instance, the Bedouins. When is the west going to find these actions intolerable?”
Via Ma’an News, Israel is close to carrying out plans to forcibly displace tens of thousands of Bedouin Palestinians in southern Israel, demolishing their villages, and erecting new Jewish settlements in their place.
ReplyDeleteIsrael’s Prawer Plan calls for the relocation of 40,000-70,000 Bedouin, the demolition of about 40 villages, and the confiscation of nearly 200,000 acres of land in the Negev Desert.
According to the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, the plan will destroy the communal and social fabric of tens of thousands of Bedouins, condemning them to a future of poverty and unemployment.
The Negev Bedouin are a group of Arab tribes that have lived in Palestine for centuries. Many of them were displaced in the 1948 war, but large numbers still remain in southern Israel. The Israeli state has long subjected them to abuse and denied them access to “basic services and infrastructure, such as electricity and running water.”
How can anyone can look at the Prawer Plan and not acknowledge Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing?
"...condemning them to a future of poverty and unemployment"
DeleteBedouin wanderers are working towards, and advancing exactly, what?
How is this culture benefiting civilization?
Whose civilization? Theirs, or yours?
DeleteCivilization:
Deletean advanced state of human society, in which a high level of culture, science, industry, and government has been reached.
Our Civilization.
The culture that creates jobs & wealth
Bedouin wanderers are working towards, and advancing exactly, what?
DeleteHow is this culture benefiting civilization?
Really, Do you mean that they are unworthy?
Jobs, and Wealth, For Who?
DeletePlease tell me you are being ironic:
DeleteCivilization:
an advanced state of human society, in which a high level of culture, science, industry, and government has been reached.
Our Civilization.
The culture that creates jobs & wealth
Really, Do you mean that they are unworthy?
DeleteI ask you.
Are they unworthy of wealth.
Do you mean to say they cannot learn what we know to be fact, that wealth can be created from an idea or a thought?
Would you leave them to wanderer in the desert for eternity?
What if it turns out that their lifestyle is sustainable, and ours isn't?
DeleteHow do you know that this isn't mankind's only chance of making it?
DeleteAre you going to come and tell me "where, and how" to live, next?
DeleteAre you going to take my land, next.
What if it turns out that their lifestyle is sustainable, and ours isn't?
DeleteI don't have the numbers but I'd bet their culture couldn't survive an outbreak of a disease for lack of knowledge of how to combat a disease.
They've been living that way for thousands of years, Dougman. How long have we been living our lifestyles?
DeleteAre you going to come and tell me "where, and how" to live, next?
DeleteAre you going to take my land, next
I have to go now.
That is the bottom line after all.
I know my time is limited
Are you going to come kick me off "My" land,
Deletefor my own good?
Are you a wanderer?
DeleteIf you own the land than you wouldn't be a Bedouin, right?
Israel owns the land to do as it pleases.
Would you welcome tribes or thousands of people to dwell on your land?
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DeleteTents are now counted as villages,.
DeleteLOL
I love the ignorance of a man who's life is directed by a palestinian's pussy....
How can anyone can look at the Prawer Plan and not acknowledge Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing?
DeleteMOVING nomadic tent dwellers to another area of the desert aint "ethnic cleansing" it's called relocation.
Just like in America.
Squatting tent dwellers squat, they do not hold title to open lands.
try that in America....
How can the US support such a shameful disgusting disregard for basic human rights and dignity?
ReplyDeleteThere's a lot of J Street money floating around, and campaigns aren't cheap.
Deletetalking about America and the "reservations"?
DeleteWHAT IS THE PRAWER PLAN? (http://imeu.net/news/article0024635.shtml
ReplyDeleteThe so-called Begin-Prawer plan is a $5.6 billion (USD) Israeli government blueprint for the relocation of tens of thousands of Bedouin citizens of Israel from their ancestral homelands in the Negev (known as Naqab to Palestinians) desert in southern Israel.
Approved by the cabinet of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in September 2011, Prawer is part of a long-term strategic effort to "Judaize" the area by increasing the Jewish population while concentrating the non-Jewish population and limiting its growth.
Prawer passed first reading in Israel’s parliament in June 2013 and is expected to receive final approval following a second and third reading shortly. If passed into law, it could result in the largest displacement of Palestinian citizens of Israel since the 1950s, shortly after the state was created.
In 2011, Yaron Ben Ezra, the director of the settlement division of the World Zionist Organization (WZO) stated that the purpose of building new Jewish communities in the Negev is "to prevent the continued invasion of state lands by the Bedouin and to prevent the creation of Bedouin or Arab [territorial] contiguity." (The Bedouin are effectively regarded as foreign invaders by Israeli officials even though they lived on their ancestral lands in the Negev for centuries before the creation of the state of Israel.) Along with the Jewish National Fund (JNF), the quasi-governmental WZO plays an important role in government efforts to “Judaize” the Negev and other parts of Israel.
FACTS & FIGURES
DeleteUnder Prawer, between 30,000 and 70,000 Bedouins living in dozens of villages that are "unrecognized" by the state will be forcibly relocated to government townships where they will be confined to an urban environment removed from their traditional ways of life.
About half of the approximately 160,000-200,000 Bedouins in the Negev reside in “unrecognized” communities. Although many of these communities pre-date the creation of Israel in 1948 and the residents have legal title to the land going back to British Mandate and Ottoman eras, the Israeli government does not recognize their legitimacy or provide services like electricity, running water, or sanitation.
While it provides partial land compensation to some people and others will be eligible for monetary compensation, most of those affected by Prawer don’t want to leave their land. Following their dispossession during Israel’s creation in 1948 and subsequently, they fear being displaced yet again by Israeli authorities and worry that they will end up in underserviced ghettoes like many of Israel’s other non-Jewish citizens.
Local and international human rights groups have condemned Prawer as discriminatory and in violation of international law. In an August 2013 statement from Amnesty International, Director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme Philip Luther declared.
"The Prawer-Begin plan is a blatant example of Israel’s discriminatory policies towards its Palestinian minority. It must be dropped immediately."
In July 2013, the United Nations’ High Commissioner for Human Rights, Navi Pillay, also expressed concern over Prawer, stating:
"I am alarmed that this Bill, which seeks to legitimise forcible displacement and dispossession of indigenous Bedouin communities in the Negev, is being pushed through the Knesset. If this Bill becomes law, it will accelerate the demolition of entire Bedouin communities, forcing them to give up their homes, denying them their rights to land ownership, and decimating their traditional cultural and social life in the name of development."
Since 2009, Israel has destroyed more than 200 homes belonging to Bedouin in the Negev.
DeleteHISTORY OF ISRAEL'S EXPULSION OF THE BEDOUINS IN THE NEGEV
Following the creation of the state of Israel in 1948, the government forcibly displaced most of the Bedouin population of the Negev desert from their ancestral lands. Like the rest of the Palestinian, non-Jewish population of Israel, for the first 18 years of the state’s existence they were ruled by Israeli military decree even though they were Israeli citizens.
During the early 1950s, most of the Bedouin in the Negev were relocated to a region known as the “Siyagh,” or “permitted” area, along the frontier with the West Bank, then under Jordanian control. In the ensuing years, many Bedouin returned to their land and have been struggling to remain on it ever since.
In the late 1990s the Israeli government stepped up efforts to remove Bedouin living in “unrecognized” communities in order the make way for new Jewish housing projects, handing out increasing numbers of demolition orders and, starting in 2002, spraying herbicides in some areas, killing crops and livestock, and causing health problems for people.
In the early 2000s, the government began drafting plans for expelling the Bedouin that ultimately resulted in the Prawer-Begin plan.
THE JEWISH NATIONAL FUND: AIDING & ABETTING ETHNIC CLEANSING
DeleteSince prior to the creation of Israel in 1948, the quasi-governmental JNF has played a key role in the efforts of the Zionist movement and subsequently the Israeli government to displace the native non-Jewish Arab population from historic Palestine in order to create and maintain a Jewish-majority state. Following the expulsion of approximately 750,000 Palestinians and systematic destruction of more than 400 Palestinian towns and villages that accompanied Israel’s creation in 1948, the JNF planted forests in many areas, covering the ruins and evidence of the Palestinian Arab society that much of modern Israel is built over.
The JNF, whose website declares it is the “caretaker of the land of Israel on behalf of its owners - Jewish people everywhere," continues to play an important role in the distribution of state lands and the ongoing dispossession of Palestinians in Israel and the occupied territories today. Approximately 93% of the land in Israel is state-owned and controlled by the Israel Land Authority and quasi-governmental agencies like the Jewish National Fund, which systematically discriminate against non-Jewish citizens in its allocation.
In 2003, the JNF unveiled a $600 million (USD) plan called Blueprint Negev designed to attract 250,000 Israeli Jews to the region. In late 2011, the JNF announced a multi-year plan worth more than $282 million (USD) to build and expand housing for Jews in the Negev desert, in order to fulfill the "Zionist vision," according to JNF chairman Efi Stenzler. In June 2013, Stenzler told an interviewer: “The new Zionist idea is to develop Israel's periphery, namely, the Negev and the Galilee [a predominantly Arab part of northern Israel]. These plans include, for instance, establishing new communities for the people [settlers] that were evacuated from Gaza.” One of the JNF’s projects in the Negev is the Ambassador’s Forest, which is being built on land belonging to the residents of the Bedouin town of Al Araqeeb.
In the United States, the JNF is registered as a tax-deductible charitable organization, despite the fact that its discriminatory practices are in violation of American law.
REPEAT In the United States, the JNF is registered as a tax-deductible charitable organization, despite the fact that its discriminatory practices are in violation of American law.
DeleteCASE STUDIES: AL ARAQEEB & UMM AL-HIRAN
DeleteIn the early morning hours of July 27, 2010, more than 1000 Israeli soldiers and police officers invaded the “unrecognized” Bedouin village of Al Araqeeb and destroyed its 45 structures, leaving some 300 people homeless. Refusing to abandon their land, the people of Al Araqeeb rebuilt only to have Israeli bulldozers return to destroy their homes again. In the three and a half years since, this process has repeated itself over and over again, with Israeli authorities demolishing Al Araqeeb more than 60 times (most recently, as of this writing, on November 20, 2013). The remaining residents of Al Araqeeb, who have legal papers attesting to their ownership of the land pre-dating Israel’s existence, now live in a cluster of tents and structures surrounding the century-old village graveyard, the only part of the community that Israeli authorities have not yet attempted to destroy. In August 2010, shortly after Al Araqeeb was demolished for the first time, Human Rights Watch condemned the destruction, with HRW’s deputy Middle East director Joe Stork declaring that "Israel employs systematically discriminatory policies in the Negev… It is tearing down historic Bedouin villages before the courts have even ruled on pending legal claims, and is handing out Bedouin land to allow Jewish farmers to set up ranches."
On November 10, 2013, the Israeli cabinet voted to remove the approximately 500 Bedouin residents of the village of Umm al-Hiran and to build a town for Israeli Jews in its place. Umm al-Hiran’s residents were uprooted from their land during Israel’s creation and remained displaced until 1956, when they were ordered by Israeli military authorities to settle in their present location. The new Jewish Israeli town, which will be named Hiran, will include 2500 housing units, and will be comprised mainly of national religious Jews, according to press reports. Following the cabinet vote approving the destruction of Umm al-Hiran, the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz published an editorial declaring that the decision “constitutes a new low in the state’s treatment of the Bedouin of the Negev, and a new stage in Israel’s becoming an ethnocracy: a regime that exists for the good of a single ethnic group, and that grants rights on the basis of ethnic affiliation rather than the principles of equality.”
The so-called Begin-Prawer plan is a $5.6 billion (USD) Israeli government blueprint for the relocation of tens of thousands of Bedouin citizens of Israel from their ancestral homelands in the Negev (known as Naqab to Palestinians) desert in southern Israel.
DeleteWhy so expensive? It costs a lot of money to build cattle cars, and the rails to run them on.
Tents are easy to move...
DeleteNow you are attacking Israel for settling the Negev...
LOL
Retarded....
Your sad attempt at a one liner once again shows your vulgar, ignorant self.
DeleteTo make that comparison to cattle cars?
Just proves you are scum.
israel aint gassing the Bedouin, to imply that?
proves you are sick person.
What is happening in the Negev? Here are a few facts on the ground – the desert floor, as it were: Bedouins comprise more than 25% of the population of the Negev, yet have lived on only 5% of the land since before 1948. In 1948, Israel forcibly created a confinement area in the Negev known as the Siyag (enclosure/fence). Bedouin who didn’t live inside of the Siyag were forced into it. Subsequently, the government zoned the area for military and agricultural purposes, and those living in the Siyag lost their legitimate land claims, even if they predated the founding of the State of Israel. Israel upholds that many of the Bedouin lack deeds affirming their land ownership, but those who were moved into Siyag weren’t given any land claims. Furthermore, many have claims to land outside of the Siyag that predate the State’s founding, when ownership was traditionally based on oral agreements – these understandings were accepted by and predate Ottoman and British control. In the 1960s, half of the Bedouin population was moved out of their rural communities and into seven urban towns set up by the government. Over 75% of the remaining villages were unrecognized by the government, and thus do not receive any public services – water, sanitation, or electricity. Now, the Knesset is set to approve the Prawer-Begin Plan, which will displace 30,000-40,000 Bedouins and demolish their homes. - See more at: http://jewschool.com/2013/11/29/31242/the-bedouin-of-anatevka/#sthash.qSy8SyIR.dpuf
ReplyDeleteYou are just really really fucked up Deuce.
ReplyDeletebob
What in the hell is it with you and the Jews?
DeleteYou have really really lost your mind.
And it was such a good one too.
bob
Damn sad turn of events.
Deleteg'nite
bob
A sort of modern day Wannsee Conference Protocol, as it were.
DeleteNow Deuce hates Israel for building in the Negev.
DeleteHow dare they.
WiO,
ReplyDeleteMy exchange with Rufus Stolen Valor had the purposes of proving him a liar and a welfare recipient through VA. I have known about the welfare angle for a long time and decided this was the time to expose him. It took two days, but it was worth it.
Each and every month, Rufus Stolen Valor receives from Uncle Sam a check for doing two things: a) not being damaged in support of the United States and b) failing to make a living. You see, many years ago Congress authorized VA to become a covert dispenser of welfare. Indeed, the majority of folk using the VA system and getting small pensions have no more right to them than some gal in Philly with a batch of kids and high blood pressure from weighing 400 lbs. or a wino or drug abuser.
So, the next time the guy gives you grief about your views on the Obama system or anything else having to do with the economy, remind him that he is an old man who made bad life’s choices and is on the government dole rather than the street.
As for as the Marine Corps, I really do not care that some E-4 doubts it. For my service I receive compensation, not a pension. I get it and every single health care service possible because I was damaged in support of the US and am rewarded by a grateful nation. I cry when I leave my government subsidized home all the way to the bank in my VA funded vehicle. And I cried a river when each of my two children received almost $40,000 to go to school under Chapter 35. And I moan every time I use an AAFES facility wherever I happen to be and leave with a full tank of government subsidized gas.
But my friend, I earned it. 93% of my buddies earned only a headstone.
Truth be told, desert rat is of the same stripe.
The only thing that troubled me came at the end of the exchange. Earlier the guy admitted having STDs. Then, he asks me to say in Vietnamese, “come here little girl”. That was Freudian and nauseating.
Since this is my last outing in Little Berlin, feel free to contact me via my personal email.
No, no, you phony-balony, drug-addicted bitch. It was "come here, girl, Not come here little girl. Look it up.
DeletePissant, you accuse me of being what you admit that you are.
It took me less than a minute to type a few simple non-googleable questions about the Marine Corps, and it would have taken a Marine less than a minute to answer them. If you could've, you would've. You're a phony piece of shit.
Good riddance, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Damn, allen is on this thread too. Shades of Teresita. "Come here little girl" indeed.
DeleteRufus, that was a very interesting test. I pulled the same stunt with Habu, who claimed to be ex-CIA, by asking him basic ungooglable questions about civil service, which has its own unique fingerprint too. Forms for this and that, and whatnot. He got just as flustered.
Deleteahhhhh, the secret question test - riiiiiight!
DeleteA question any and all Marine would know. A question any and all CIA would know. That doesn't pass the smell test.
How about his claims to what he gets? Is that possible? How about his claims he makes about what you get Rufus - is that the case? Is it even possible?
Questions that could be answered. Let's hear them!
Here's another one, Ash. There's a gay guy in a Christian chatroom I frequent who tried to pass himself off as a girl. But he talked about rape in the same casual manner that men and boys do. No matter how bad a woman hates another woman, she will never say to her enemy "I hope you get raped in Belltown after closing time" or something like that. Never ever ever. Had him pegged as a shemale from the gitgo, and when a friend about eight miles from here put "her" up in his duplex out of Christian charity (and embarked on a long voyage of being scammed by this asshat), he verified this in a replay of the scene from the Crying Game.
DeleteI am still waiting for Rufus to answer. If he can't he must be a fraud.
DeleteAsh, I've told a hundred times, here, what I get. I get a smallish discount on my Atovastatin, and Omeprazole. I get certain preventative tests, and blood tests. They pay for a colonoscopy every 3 to 5 years, depending on results. I get a free check-up every year (they'll go for every six months, but I won't.)
DeleteNo eyeglasses, or dental.
They provided a hearing aid (they said the deafness in my right ear was common among vets, and was most likely caused from firing that 30 Caliber so much.) If I'm not mistaken they charged the hearing aid to Medicare.
I have no idea about "pensions, stipends, living expenses," or any of that. I guess they might have those, but I obviously don't qualify. I jokingly asked one of the gals up there how long it would take her to get me in the "Old Vets Home," and, evidently not getting the joke, she looked me in the eye, and very seriously said, "tomorrow." I don't even remember what I was there talking to her about; it might have been to see if "travel expenses" would be worth the time.
They're pretty good people, and they do a good job. As I've said before, they don't prescribe Crestor if Lipitor will do the job. They don't do Nexium; they do Omeprazole (Prilosec.) I've never tried to get more than what they've willingly offered, so I really don't know what a true "seeker" might be able to end up with.
Hope that answers some of your questions.
There is one other thing that may, or may not, be germane. I first used the VA for a hydrocaele operation back in the '80s when I was self-employed. It's my understanding that they tightened some of the eligibility rules after that, but that I was "grandfathered in." To what extent that affects my current status, I don't know. I just know that it's been a pretty good thing for me.
DeleteTeresita RedingerSat Nov 30, 10:07:00 AM EST
DeleteHere's another one, Ash. There's a gay guy in a Christian chatroom I frequent who tried to pass himself off as a girl.
Well come on now T, you are the biggest faker of the BLOG! Roman Catholic Lesbian, complete with wife and stories about retiring to the homeland (not WA State)...
Who are you to judge?
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DeleteThere is a huge difference between my "compensation" and your "pension".. My benefit is "service connected", earned in the line of duty.You are just a guy who made bad life's choices, could not cut it, and showed up at VA's door begging for benefits based on indigence. You are a bum and a parasite. Anyone looking at your evasions to my questions concerning VA will get the drift. And I resent your sponging. Every dollar going to a leech like you is a dollar an honorable "service connected" wounded warrior does not get.
DeleteHere is the Good News!
ReplyDeleteBozo has filed some lawsuits back in India against my Niece claiming she invaded his apartment and lived there on his dime, when of course all the money was coming her. And he is threatening her parents.
This is the good news --
"I don't give a fuck about him anymore, Uncle Bob, let him do what he wants."
:):):):):)
And she has taken a job in Dresden.
:):):):)
I very happy tonight.
bob
Some men have a chip on their shoulder.
DeleteOther men have something better.
This is great Idaho style -
ReplyDelete"I don't give a fuck about him, Uncle Bob, let him do what he wants."
I am ELATED!!!
That is the good old Idaho style -
fuck off dick head
:):):)
She is FREE!
Deletebob
Darius Rucker --
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvKyBcCDOB4
:):)
bob
You city shitters don' t have no idee what Dog Wood Flowers be
Deletebut me an' Darius do.
bob
Christ on a crutch, Bob, Idaho innit the woods. When I got back from Montana, where everyone spends their time in bars playing pull-tabs all day, and hit the outskirts of Sand Point, I thought I was back in Washington again. So don't channel the good old boys in Deliverance.
Delete.
DeleteShe is free.
Well except for the cab fare and that $800 bucks.
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Some say Bob was the first one born in his family without a tail.
DeleteFlip Model
ReplyDeleteI'll see your Flip model, Doug, and raise Lovi Poe
Deletehttp://www.esquiremagazine.ph/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lovi2.jpg
Doesn't put enough energy into concealing her ethnic identity wrt to appearance.
Delete...Hollywood demands submission.
Like Sharia.
Plus, she doesn't know our kid's friends, which is why I linked to "Hanna Joy."
DeleteMost of his friends don't go out of their way to conceal their Flipness.
Delete...but they're not models.
It's all about genes. Hannibal was the first man to experiment with genetics when he crossed a mountain with an elephant.
DeleteI thought he crossed a Mountain Goat with a human.
Delete...all by himself.
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DeleteDoesn't put enough energy into concealing her ethnic identity wrt to appearance.
You know that you are old when after looking at that picture the first thing you do is critique her face.
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"The "unrecognised" villages in the Negev, whose populations range from a few hundred to 2,000, lack basic services such as running water, electricity, landline telephones, roads, high schools and health clinics."
ReplyDeleteThose damned Jews want to make the desert bloom.
How dare they!
"lack basic services such as running water, electricity, landline telephones, roads, high schools and health clinics"
DeleteI thought that's what Nomadic Bedouins were all about?
Jump a generation from landlines:
DeleteDrop in free Obamaphones.
Make that Smartphones.
...which excludes Obama.
Should anyone encourage, assist, or subsize the destruction of the culture of Nomadic Bedouins?
Delete...or should someone just wipe them out, as we did the natives in the USA?
(semi) Curious Minds want to know;
What would happen if the Nomads had 99 percent of the Arab Middle East on which to roam?
DeleteWouldn't their culture flourish, or at least survive, to carry on the cultural tradition?
Putting USA's record to shame.
Let them build a casino, Doug. The Sands. They can book Wayne Newton.
DeleteMoney can solve almost anything, if there's enough of it.
DeleteFor today.
Desert Inn.
DeleteSinatra.
"The Sands"
Delete:-)
Works in Nevada, should work in CA, at least in the Mojave Desert.
Somebody said he helped run guns to the Jews so i asked OGF and she has not confirmed yet.
Delete"SUBSIDIZE" ...back up there a bit.
DeleteOpen Grid Forum, or Ohio Game Fishing?
DeleteThe Farmer's got me flummoxed.
Sinatra's Train Set
DeleteI'm pretty sure he run his hand up her thigh though, she was that kind of girl. More details when I ger them.
DeleteShe die say "I took care of Frank" whatever that means.
:)
"Money can solve almost anything..."
Delete...unless Big Government is spending it, but don't tell Rufus, he's a "Liberal"
Seemingly unaware of unintended consequences.
At HIS Age!!!
We get along great now, my heart having moved on to Asia.
DeleteAs in "Franks", is that in the Ball Park?
DeleteRufus is on Social Security.
Delete"What Me Worry" says Rufoid.
She die say "I took care of Frank" whatever that means.
Delete"She die say" sounds like Pidgin.
I figured another "she" was taking care of me when she slid HER hand down my pants.
Someday I'll be on SS too, if the Lord sees fit. Except my money will stretch farther in Flipland.
DeleteThe AWOL Kid.
DeleteWife died a month after her first check.
Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, If I had one.
Guess the Lord didn't see fit, or something.
DeleteTo me, she was way beyond fit.
"WAY beyond fit."
DeleteI think I squeaked by, Doug, this month's mammogram was clean and I'm 2.5 years out, halfway to the benchmark five. Good thing I wasn't on Obamacare.
DeleteAmen, access to good doctors.
DeleteWife did, but way after bad doctors had screwed the pooch.
...and her life.
Leaving me.
Screwed.
Is your Life Partner Flip also, or is she welcome on the Islands anyway?
DeleteHe's a white boy, who likes to kid around and says he doesn't feel hot when it's freaking HOT.
DeleteHe may have a white name but the pic you posted he looked like Pacho.
DeleteRedinger is German, which originated as the surname of the one who rang the dinner bell again to call the slackers.
DeleteBobbitt in German translates to Choppenderweinerhoffen.
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DeleteMy name is Dick, do you like it?
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DeleteWas it Sinatra or Martin that said, "Nice legs, when do they open?"
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Mr. Redinger thinks these ones are okay.
Deletehttp://www.cleanposts.com/images/2/2c/Teresita2.jpg
T goes from a need for anonymity to post her first and last name. Riiight!
Delete.
ReplyDeleteBedouin wanderers are working towards, and advancing exactly, what?
How is this culture benefiting civilization?
That was a nice story you gave us about being saved an all. If this is what it's like being 'saved', I'll pass.
Our Civilization.
The culture that creates jobs & wealth
The Jims, Bakker and Swaggart, couldn't have said it any better.
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Don't know that I'm saved at all Q.
DeleteI was lifted out of a depression.
The Jims, Bakker and Swaggart, couldn't have said it any better.
Actually, I was enlightened about the "creation of wealth" by Bill Whittle, a Truth loving Atheist at the time I started reading his blog but is now Agnostic :)
If things ever get as bad as the Glen Becks of the world like to think they will, you will find that it has zero value. It does not make good tools and you can't eat it. (well you can but that's another story.)
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DeleteLet me apologize, Dougman.
Evidently, I misspoke wrt your sensei. However, your assumption that American (or Western) culture's contributions to civilization lie mainly in creating jobs and wealth is at best cynical. Combined with your cavalier attitude towards other's lives you reflect the same intellectual liberal elitist (or religious nutjob) worldview that sees others as not individuals but as members of a group, them versus us, the non-contributors versus the 'contributors', or any other comparison you want to use that divides the world and judges who is 'worthy' and who is not. Once you have created the division, it is so much easier to rationalize and try to justify your next actions. Your solution is one we have seen employed many times through history by those (currently) in power
It seems to me your philosophy merely truncates the golden rule down to 'do unto others...'
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"However, your assumption that American (or Western) culture's contributions to civilization lie mainly in creating jobs and wealth is at best cynical."
DeleteI wouldn't say the western culture's main contributions were wealth & jobs. I'd say wealth and jobs were a by-product of a culture (or group) that invests in research & development. To find answers, as for example, why the sky is blue, how the plants grow, how to keep women & children out of the way of being massacred or even just mis-treated.
Combined with your cavalier attitude towards other's lives...
I certainly don't mean to come off that way.
"..you reflect the same intellectual liberal elitist (or religious nutjob) worldview that sees others as not individuals but as members of a group,...
You may be right about this, or not. Either way It is worth my time introspection. Thank you.
Should read:Either way It is worth my time *for some* introspection. Thank you
Delete"It seems to me your philosophy merely truncates the golden rule down to 'do unto others...'"
DeleteIf I were merely surviving in the desert, I'm pretty sure I'd want someone to show me an easier time of it.
Like educating me on how to help & heal the sick, dis-abled or diseased.
Indeed, to do unto others as I would have them do unto me.
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DeleteYou sound like the liberal elites in this country who gave us Obamacare. "We know what is good for you and you are going to pay for it whether you want it or not."
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"The "unrecognised" villages in the Negev, whose populations range from a few hundred to 2,000, lack basic services such as running water, electricity, landline telephones, roads, high schools and health clinics."
ReplyDeleteThose damned Jews want to make the desert bloom.
How dare they!
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Ah, let a thousand orange trees grow; a tribute to central planning and the superior status of the chosen tribe: paid for by the benefaction of the American taxpayer; a three and one half billion annual shakedown from the Conga Line.
You want to grow some gardens without displacing anyone choose the top ten worst American cities and subsidize them $350 million annually to convert empt lots of derelict building and put up greenhouses and gardens.
yep tents...
Deletenow they call them "villages"
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DeleteYep is Deuce is under the spell of a Palestinian Woman...
Deletecan't wait til she stabs him in the ass...
Please spare us from ethnic cleansing Christians.
ReplyDeleteI try to be a follower Christ, not a follower of Christians.
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DeleteYou seem to be doing a piss poor job of it. Strictly in my opinion, of course. See my comment above.
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You may be right.
DeleteWhen I was a kid, the good sisters ( hated by the protestant Christians) had us bring in dimes to feed pagan babies. Now the true believers in Jesus want us to use taxpayer money to displace the wandering tribes of Arabia into Bantu lands.
ReplyDeletethose wandering tribes of Arabia can go settle back in arabia...
DeleteIn 2003, the JNF unveiled a $600 million (USD) plan called Blueprint Negev designed to attract 250,000 Israeli Jews to the region. In late 2011, the JNF announced a multi-year plan worth more than $282 million (USD) to build and expand housing for Jews in the Negev desert, in order to fulfill the "Zionist vision," according to JNF chairman Efi Stenzler. In June 2013, Stenzler told an interviewer: “The new Zionist idea is to develop Israel's periphery, namely, the Negev and the Galilee [a predominantly Arab part of northern Israel]. These plans include, for instance, establishing new communities for the people [settlers] that were evacuated from Gaza.” One of the JNF’s projects in the Negev is the Ambassador’s Forest, which is being built on land belonging to the residents of the Bedouin town of Al Araqeeb.
ReplyDeleteI suggest the nomadic Bedouin move to the other 899/900th of the middle east...
Deletelots of sand ya know....
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DeleteThere are no nomadic Bedouins in the Negrev.
The process of sedentarization of the Bedouins was started under the Ottomans and completed under their Israeli successors.
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Really?
DeleteYou have been there?
I have... I have seen the "camps" they live in for 6 months, trash the place, leave their garbage, then move to a new location.
Armchair quarterback....
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DeleteReally, you have lived in Israel for periods long enough to watch the migration of the Bedouin? Was that in the Negev or did you merely travel down there for the weekend to watch them move?
Armchair quarterback? True enough. My knowledge of the Bedouin comes from publications like Wiki and the Encyclopedia Brittanica but also from sites like the Jewish Virtual Library.
Most of the Bedouin in the Negev as well as the other Bedouin groups in the Israel have been sedentarized. The others like those in the South Negev are mostly herdsmen. However, since the land there is too arid to support their herds year round they are allowed to move their herds to protected areas for certain periods of the year. Hardly, what most would call a nomad.
From the Jewish Virtual Library,
Most of the livestock of the Bedouin in the Negev who keep flocks of sheep and goats are registered and approved by the Ministry of Agriculture, which provides pasture land outside the Negev for six to seven months of the year, since the carrying capacity of the Negev is limited. Owners who, for reasons of tax evasion, have not registered their livestock and do not receive Ministry of Agriculture services, frequently trespass on nature reserves or populated areas. They are liable to be punished under the law.
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there are thousands of these clusters of tents, the bedouin live on a spot til they move and leave a dump like you can't believe.
DeleteTheir kids don't go to school, they don't connect to the grid, they are outside the mainstream. Like gypsies and or squatters.
A lot Make their living smuggling people, drugs or weapons. Or stealing cars. (that's a BIG business)
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DeleteReally, you have lived in Israel for periods long enough to watch the migration of the Bedouin? Was that in the Negev or did you merely travel down there for the weekend to watch them move?
Been there enough to know there thousands of them that are like squatters.
They are not like the Druze. Or the Christian or typical Moslems.
Caves and tents are their hallmark.
How did I miss all this in my summer Baptist Bible studies?
ReplyDeleteWe went to War against the Serbs (Orthodox Catholics) because they wanted to clear Kosovo of the Muslims from Albania. The Conga line was all in on that one till they weren’t).
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DeleteMillions and millions of native americans from both north, central and south america have been brutalized by those ranging from the europeans to even the black slaves....
DeleteNow of course the communists and the jihadists are screwing them over too!
Raise the flag higher boys ( when it is not at perma-half-mast).
ReplyDeleteWow you mean the Bedouins will have to MOVE their tents????
ReplyDeleteA war crime!
LOL
Indeed:
Deletehttp://www.sunray22b.net/images/saharonim_concentration_camp.jpg
LOL a fence!!!!
DeleteLooks like the so called prisoners can walk away and back over the empty hills...
DeleteLOL
Fucktard
The Bedouin of Israel are free to leave the 1/900th of the middle east and go wander in the other 899/900th of the arab world..
DeleteBye bye, don't let the sand dune hit you on the ass on the way out....
Love the world's anger and yet 4.5 MILLION syrians are now homeless...
DeleteLOL...
Too funny...
O well what's a few Syrians shitting in the sand?
ReplyDeletePlace is a success story.
They won't bv marching on Jerusalem this month.
bob
It's the "Arab Spring".
Deletebob
there is truth in what you say Bob,
DeleteThe arabs? murdering and killing and raping one another? Leaves little time for them to murder, rape and kill the Jews.
Remember Iran-Contra? St. Ronnie of Hollywood? But let the black guy strike a deal with Iran and it's time to bring down American civilization, Samson style.
Deleteonce again Ms t/xenia/teresita you bring together meaningless nonsense to form a crap sentence.
DeleteIran Contra has outcry, hearings and all sorts of protest.
Obama sucking mullah's dick has only gotten bony crooked fingers pointed at Jews for being warmongers.
Try again...
You do suck at this...
The body count from Walmart yesterday was eight. Black Friday sales are to die for. When a fat screaming southern white trash bitch comes screaming at you with a knife over a discounted size 60 woman's bra, a gun is your best friend.
ReplyDelete:)
Deletebob
A 38 or a 45?
ReplyDeletebob
Or a 60 caliber?
Delete:)
bob
Starving Syrian rebels besieged in Damascus suburbs signalled their desperation yesterday by killing and eating a zoo’s lion.
ReplyDeletePictures of men butchering the visibly emaciated animal, said to have been taken from the Al-Qarya al-Shama Zoo, were widely disseminated on websites sympathetic to the rebels
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DeleteWhen you are down to eating the Zoo, you might stop and think, something is not right here, even if you girlfriend is arabic.
bob
bob he has a "palestinian" girlfriend.
DeleteRufus Stolen Valor,
ReplyDeleteThere is a huge difference between my "compensation" and your "pension".. My benefit is "service connected", earned in the line of duty.You are just a guy who made bad life's choices, could not cut it, and showed up at VA's door begging for benefits based on indigence. You are a bum and a parasite. Anyone looking at your evasions to my questions concerning VA will get the drift. And I resent your sponging. Every dollar going to a leech like you is a dollar an honorable "service connected" wounded warrior does not get.
You are one crazy dick.
DeleteYou probably do get some benefits from the government, allen, but they sure as hell aren't from any injuries sustained as a "Marine in Vietnam."
DeleteFirst, you would have had to be a Marine, and we know, from your lack of ability to answer even the most rudimentary questions about life in the Marine Corps, or in Vietnam, that that's not the case.
Go pop a pill, bitch.
The 40 Year Slump
ReplyDeleteThe steady stream of Watergate revelations, President Richard Nixon’s twists and turns to fend off disclosures, the impeachment hearings, and finally an unprecedented resignation—all these riveted the nation’s attention in 1974. Hardly anyone paid attention to a story that seemed no more than a statistical oddity: That year, for the first time since the end of World War II, Americans’ wages declined.
Since 1947, Americans at all points on the economic spectrum had become a little better off with each passing year. The economy’s rising tide, as President John F. Kennedy had famously said, was lifting all boats. Productivity had risen by 97 percent in the preceding quarter-century, and median wages had risen by 95 percent. As economist John Kenneth Galbraith noted in The Affluent Society, this newly middle-class nation had become more egalitarian. The poorest fifth had seen their incomes increase by 42 percent since the end of the war, while the wealthiest fifth had seen their incomes rise by just 8 percent. Economists have dubbed the period the “Great Compression."
This egalitarianism, of course, was severely circumscribed. African Americans had only recently won civil equality, and economic equality remained a distant dream. Women entered the workforce in record numbers during the early 1970s to find a profoundly discriminatory labor market. A new generation of workers rebelled at the regimentation of factory life, staging strikes across the Midwest to slow down and humanize the assembly line. But no one could deny that Americans in 1974 lived lives of greater comfort and security than they had a quarter-century earlier. During that time, median family income more than doubled.
Then, it all stopped. In 1974, wages fell by 2.1 percent and median household income shrunk by $1,500. To be sure, it was a year of mild recession, but the nation had experienced five previous downturns during its 25-year run of prosperity without seeing wages come down.
What no one grasped at the time was that this wasn’t a one-year anomaly, that 1974 would mark a fundamental breakpoint in American economic history. In the years since, the tide has continued to rise, but a growing number of boats have been chained to the bottom. Productivity has increased by 80 percent, but median compensation (that’s wages plus benefits) has risen by just 11 percent during that time. The middle-income jobs of the nation’s postwar boom years have disproportionately vanished. Low-wage jobs have disproportionately burgeoned. Employment has become less secure. Benefits have been cut. The dictionary definition of “layoff” has changed, from denoting a temporary severance from one’s job to denoting a permanent severance.
DeleteAs their incomes flat-lined, Americans struggled to maintain their standard of living. In most families, both adults entered the workforce. They worked longer hours. When paychecks stopped increasing, they tried to keep up by incurring an enormous amount of debt. The combination of skyrocketing debt and stagnating income proved predictably calamitous (though few predicted it). Since the crash of 2008, that debt has been called in.
DeleteAll the factors that had slowly been eroding Americans’ economic lives over the preceding three decades—globalization, deunionization, financialization, Wal-Martization, robotization, the whole megillah of nefarious –izations—have now descended en masse on the American people. Since 2000, even as the economy has grown by 18 percent, the median income of households headed by people under 65 has declined by 12.4 percent. Since 2001, employment in low-wage occupations has increased by 8.7 percent while employment in middle-wage occupations has decreased by 7.3 percent. Since 2003, the median wage has not grown at all.
The middle has fallen out of the American economy—precipitously since 2008, but it’s been falling out slowly and cumulatively for the past 40 years. Far from a statistical oddity, 1974 marked an epochal turn. The age of economic security ended. The age of . . . . . . .
Interesting Essay
allenWed Nov 27, 08:27:00 PM EST
ReplyDeleteRufus II
Wed Nov 27, 11:57:00 AM EST
My MOS was 3531. That's Not what I mostly did in Vietnam. I also fired 228.
I didn't pay much until later, but there was not and is not a .228. There was the .223 which had replaced the 7.56 in early '67.
You say you are a Marine and you don't even know what rifle you used. That is impossible.
228 indeed
:-)
Rufus Stolen Valor,
So, you knew your rifle, did you? And you trained with the M14 and used it early on in Viet Nam? But for sure, you spent months with your M14, padlocked to your bunk when not in use. You say you qualified on the range with that M14, why you almost scored sniper accuracy. Wow! If all that is true, how is it you thought you were using a 7.56mm round? There has never been such a bullet. The M14 fires a 7.62mm NATO round. 7.62, 7.62 7.62 – the equivalent of a .308.
That was my little poison pill for you. You did not/do not know your rifle or its caliber. That is impossible for a Marine. REDEEM yourself, brother.
That's 7.62 Nato, as in you are one deranged motherfucker, 7.62.
DeleteAnd, by the way, you phony motherfucker, no one, Ever, "padlocked" his Rifle to his bunk. That's asinine.
DeleteNo Marine did, anyway. You would probably get court-martialed for such a thing.
DeleteEven squids know better than to do that.
DeleteAs a result of the Syrian civil war, 235,000 Palestinians have been displaced in Syria itself and 60,000, alongside 2.2 million Syrians, have fleed the country as of October 2013.[40]
ReplyDeleteThere were reports that Jordan and Lebanon have turned away Palestinian refugees attempting to flee the humanitarian crises in Syria.[citation needed] Jordan has absorbed 126,000 Syrian refugees, but Palestinians fleeing Syria are placed in a separate refugee camp, under stricter conditions and are banned from entering Jordanian cities.[41]
Palestinian refugees from Syria are also immigrating to Europe seeking asylum. Many do so by finding their way to Egypt and making the journey by sea. According to the PFLP-GC, some 23,000 Palestinian refugees from the Yarmouk Camp have immigrated to Sweden alone.[42]
The letter, published in the Guardian, is part of a day of protest on Saturday in Israel, Palestine and two dozen other countries over an Israeli parliamentary bill that is expected to get final approval by the end of this year.
ReplyDeleteSo Palestine is now a nation...
It has a border dispute with Israel.
The occupation is over.
It's a border dispute.
Rufus Stolen Valor,
ReplyDeleteFinal Written Examination (Recruit Basic Training)
Question 1: Describe your weapon
Answer: The U.S. Rifle, 7.62 MM, M14 is a gas-operated, magazine fed, air-cooled, should weapon.
In December 1944, General George Patton’s 3rd Army surrounded about 300,000 disorganized Germans, turning a “Bulge” into a cemetery. Patton borrowed from Hannibal’s tactics used at Cannae, where 60,000 Romans were slaughtered. You now know how Varro and Paullus felt, having fought their way into a trap.
If you were ever a Marine, you were of marginal quality. You spent a four year hitch believing that there were Marine Medical officers. Additionally, you know nothing about the most legendary battalion in the history of the Corps (this would be equivalent to a soldier not knowing about the 7th Cavalry). Furthermore, you boast of your shooting prowess with a weapon unknown to the Corps or any other military in the world, the 7.56mm rifle.
As you have said, anyone who does not know his weapon was never a Marine. You are correct. Now turn your cover backward and march in shame back to barracks with the other “non-quals”.
Oh, I have let you and your pals advance without resistance, until I was ready to strike. That is called “fire discipline”. That is the difference between an officer and a boy.
look up, asshole, I gave the quote, time and place:
DeleteRufus IIThu Nov 28, 09:00:00 PM EST
No, you are a Fraud. You have never been in the Marine Corps, or you would have quickly rattled off all the answers to my questions. You couldn't, because they can't be googled.
I said I "fired" 228, Not A 228, this after many references to firing the M-14 - a 7.62 Nato round.
Oh, and by the way, you idiot phony motherfucker, the Marine enlistment was 3 yrs., not 4.
One sad-sack maggot
Oh, and one other thing, you goofy, drugged-up ass; we don't elevate one unit, or the other as being "legendary." The 1/9 was a fine outfit. All those Battalions over there were fine outfits, made up of fine Marines. They fought hard, and did their job. The last thing any Marine would do would be to use that particular language. A true Marine would say, "we're the best damned outfit in the Crotch," and let it go.
DeleteRufus. a certain "e-9" that works for me, saw some of the crap you post...
DeleteHe called you a pathetic loser.
can't share with you of who he is, where he served, but let's just say the photo of him guarding certain people were enough proof to me he's real...
whereas you?
LOL
btw I don't have a clue what an e-9 is
DeleteYeah? Well, I'm sure the Sergeant Major would have told you what an E-9 is. You're as full of shit as the druggie.
Delete:)
DeleteThe Sergeant Major that works for the candy-maker. :)
Good Gawd, Gertie :) :)
What a Gash. :) :) :)
You guys are turning into a geneeine hoot. :) :)
Rufus Stolen Valor,
DeleteNo matter how you squirm, you did not know your weapon - you set the ground rules, Sport. All the curses and squealing in the world will not change that.
As to context, you might want to look at the paragraph within which 228 appears. We were discussing your service in Viet Nam, not boot camp. I was willing to give benefit of doubt to a typo (223 - 228), You should have taken the courtesy. When you missed the caliber of your rifle (7.56, indeed!) you proved yourself a phony. Again, so you don't lose any teeth in a bar when you putting down some Marine, the M14 fired the 7.62 NATO round, which incidentally, could be used in the AK.
Yes, we do elevate units. Try looking at an official history of the Marine Corps.We also honor people, try Chesty Puller. How many tries did it take to get you out of boot camp?
Now, you foul-mouthed, VD ridden, piece of ignorant human detritus, You can have Deuce pat your back all day, you are still as dumb as a post and a coward. I say coward, because only a coward would spew the excrement you have when he knows the other guy cannot seek satisfaction. The internet has made all you losers heroes.
Now, I am off to bed, I think.
Re: drug addiction
Dr. Rufus Stolen Valor, is it? That's right, you thought the Marine Corps had medical officers - incredible. My docs are doing just fine without your bedside opinion.
Look up, asshole. I reposted the whole comment at 05:39 pm
Deletethe complete comment from 09:00 pm Nov 28
I never said the Marine Corps had Medical Doctors. I said everyone I had dealt with had been Corpsmen, but since you claimed to have been a Marine Corps Medical Doctor, I would assume that probably there were some around, somewhere.
go pop a pill, prick..
No mention of a 5.56. I explicitly stated 7.62 Nato.
And, it seems unlikely to me that the 7.62 Nato round could be fired from an AK. The AK shoots a much shorter round.
DeleteRufus, you are eating his lunch. Bravo Zulu.
DeleteThe M-14 round is 51 mm in length
DeleteThe AK-47 round is 39.
You must have overlooked that little factoid in your wild google dash.
rufus you googled that well.
DeleteALL I can say?
I know who works for me, whereas you are a loser.
I know the deeds this guy has done. NONE of which I will share on a blog.
I know his title and his tours and who he was the personal guard for.
He says you're a piece of shit.
Well, tell him to belly his lifer ass up to the bar, and let's flip'em out.
DeleteYou really are one pompous asshole Rufus.
DeleteBut, first, he has to answer the questions I gave to dumbshit. After that he can aske me a few.
Deletehe doesn't doubt you were in nam for 3 years, he just thinks your a jackass.
Deletehe says he meets your type all the time....
Well, he's definitely dumb enough to be a Sergeant Major if he thinks I spent 3 yrs. of my 3 yr. enlistment in Nam. I spent the standard 13 months, and no, I didn't volunteer to go back.
DeleteAnd, btw, if he really is a Sergeant Major he has my absolute, total respect. They are the only thing that holds the show together.
DeleteI have my doubts, though, inasmuch as there were a couple of trick questions in there that should have made him go, Huh?
don't know what he thinks specifically about your tour of duty
DeleteI read him some of your opinions about Israel, America and the Marines.
he's not impressed with you.
you give me the trick questions, I will get answers monday.
DeleteIf he's a Marine he'll spot them immediately.
Delete'you idiot motherfucker' is fightin' words.
ReplyDeleteSince I have no military experience I'm stayin' out of it.
The good news here, which I have shared with my niece. is I have made a real estate sale which allows me to continue my street.
We have only been at this for three generations.
Building "Our Town"
:)
What a great day with the crapper not around!
bob
Auburn just kicked Alabama's ass. :)
ReplyDeleteI guess allen found out this is the Hotel California, you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
ReplyDeleteA Marine never withdraws until the job is done. Not to worry, I am nearly done.
DeleteYeah? Well, since you're such a Marine, and all, tell me what the normal burst of automatic is on the M-14.
DeleteOh, and while you're at it, tell us what the Two things are that a Marine always does the night before qualifying.
And, tell us about that 13 year gap between the time that you were supposedly shot up in the Nam, and the 100% Disability Discharge - that one I dying to hear.
Ahhhh, gotta love the smell of napalm in the morning
Deleteerrrrr...
blood in the water :-o
Ash, I replied to your question, above.
DeleteBut were enough questions answered sufficiently and correctly ?
Deletethe jury is pondering...
how about allens depiction of manna bestowed from the heavens to him? Consistent with a Marines due?
I have no idea. It's just outside of my realm of knowledge.
DeleteI'm skeptical, but just because it's allen.
O Good Grief Ash if you had a .22 you'd shoot yourself in the foot first thing.
Deletebob
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DeleteAsh, your an ass.
A Marine never withdraws until the job is done. Not to worry, I am nearly done.
You were done a long time ago. You have been embarrassing yourself for a couple days now with the repeating of your withdrawal statement on several different posts.
I was tired of this bullshit so I went back and checked. Here is Rufus' initial post.
1. Rufus IIWed Nov 27, 11:57:00 AM EST
My MOS was 3531. That's Not what I mostly did in Vietnam. I also fired 228. And, I outran every stinking officer (in backpack) that ever put on his pretty little blue shorties, and tried to run with me. As far as truckdrivers go, my son-in-law was a truckdriver in Iraq, and was blown up 3 times, with shrapnel wounds over 60% of his body; so let's dispense with the snark.
I do Not believe you were a Marine, allen...
This was followed by your post later,
1. allenWed Nov 27, 08:27:00 PM EST
Rufus II
Wed Nov 27, 11:57:00 AM EST
My MOS was 3531. That's Not what I mostly did in Vietnam. I also fired 228.
I didn't pay much until later, but there was not and is not a .228. There was the .223 which had replaced the 7.56 in early '67.
You say you are a Marine and you don't even know what rifle you used. That is impossible.
228 indeed
:-)
This was followed by Rufus' reply a few minutes later,
Rufus IIThu Nov 28, 09:00:00 PM EST
No, you are a Fraud. You have never been in the Marine Corps, or you would have quickly rattled off all the answers to my questions. You couldn't, because they can't be googled.
I said I "fired" 228, Not A 228, this after many references to firing the M-14 - a 7.62 Nato round. When you didn't rise to that bait, I began to suspect more strongly than ever that your only stripes were "google stripes..."
What you are...
Today you come back with this
1. allenSat Nov 30, 05:19:00 PM EST
allenWed Nov 27, 08:27:00 PM EST
Rufus II
Wed Nov 27, 11:57:00 AM EST
My MOS was 3531. That's Not what I mostly did in Vietnam. I also fired 228.
I didn't pay much until later, but there was not and is not a .228. There was the .223 which had replaced the 7.56 in early '67.
You say you are a Marine and you don't even know what rifle you used. That is impossible.
228 indeed
:-)
Rufus Stolen Valor,
So, you knew your rifle, did you? And you trained with the M14 and used it early on in Viet Nam? But for sure, you spent months with your M14, padlocked to your bunk when not in use. You say you qualified on the range with that M14, why you almost scored sniper accuracy. Wow! If all that is true, how is it you thought you were using a 7.56mm round? There has never been such a bullet. The M14 fires a 7.62mm NATO round. 7.62, 7.62 7.62 – the equivalent of a .308.
That was my little poison pill for you. You did not/do not know your rifle or its caliber. That is impossible for a Marine. REDEEM yourself, brother.
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In your charge today you misread your own post at allenWed Nov 27, 08:27:00 PM EST
It wasn't Rufus that mentioned the 7.56, it was you.
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Aye, at least one if the jury members is trying hard!
DeleteI'm stayin' out it.
ReplyDeleteBut I celebrate any day without the crapper.
Has been nice, huh.
VANDAL FANS -
New Mexiico State
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Idaeehooo
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I done fell asleep.
THE AGONY IS OVER
bob
Rat shit or boobie droppings...
Deletesame ole same ole
Ashcan is back.....
Deletewhooopie
bob
Learn yourself to sign in and maybe, just maybe, you will have a chance for some respect. Sniveling that you need you daughter to achieve such a lofty goal doesn't cut it.
DeleteTrashCan with a pigeon birdshot load .22--
DeleteWATCH OUT!!!!
:)
bob
She is my blog administrator, Sniveling, and she is 'in love'.
DeleteYou try to get hold of her.
bob