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Saturday, February 07, 2015

“I am firmly convinced that this conflict (Ukraine/Russia) can not be solved by military means “ - Andrea Merkel

News Analysis: The West shows internal divergence over Ukraine crisis

English.news.cn   2015-02-08 05:24:24




• 51th Munich Security Conference dedicated more than half of its agenda to Ukraine crisis.

• Leaders expressed a common wish: to immediately find ways out of the crisis.
• The discussion showed that union was divided on key issues linked to different national interests.
by Xinhua writers Tang Zhiqiang, He Mengshu
MUNICH, Feb. 7 (Xinhua) -- The 51th Munich Security Conference entered into its second day on Saturday, dedicating more than half of its agenda to the Ukraine crisis, an issue which few who was here a year ago had expected could be fueled from a spark of anti-government protests to a fire of internal war within less than a year.
Leaders, mainly from the West, including German Chancellor Angela MerkelRussian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden and Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko participated in the discussions on Saturday and expressed a common wish: to immediately find ways out of the crisis which has killed thousands of people.
Merkel, who just came back hours ago from a surprising visit to Moscow with French President Francois Hollande for talks over the crisis with Russian President Vladimir Putin, told her audience that the tripartite meeting was worth an attempt though "it is uncertain whether the talks will succeed".
Lavrov, though questioned doubtfully, and in some occasions aggressively, by western listeners, said Russia saw "good grounds for optimism to issue recommendations for conflict resolution".
Biden, threatening to "impose costs" to Russia, said actions were needed to end the conflicts.
Poroshenko, asking for supports from abroad, said the people in Ukraine were urgently needed to be protected.
Ukraine has become the front line of tensions between the West and Russia, some experts said. The West is united in its "battle" against Russia, imposing economic sanctions which dragged Russian economic growth down to 0.6 percent and forced its government to cut 2015 growth forecast to minus 3 percent.
The discussion in Munich on Saturday, however, showed that the union was divided on key issues linked to their different national interests.
DIFFERENT STANCE
"We should have right to defend our territory and our people with the support of the whole world," said Poroshenko, asking its allies to supply defensive weapons which "we will not use ...to the attack".
This was the core divergence within the West: whether military intervention should be involved in resolving the Ukraine crisis.
Slamming Russia for alleged direct involvement in the Ukraine conflict, which Moscow has denied repeatedly, Washington is considering offering Ukraine lethal weapons to boost its fight against militants in the eastern part of the country.
In his speech, Biden said the U.S. government was ready to provide support to Ukraine so that the country can defend itself .
The plan, however, was slapped by Merkel.
"I am firmly convinced that this conflict can not be solved by military means ... the progress that Ukraine needs can not be achieved by more weapons," she said, adding that there were already a lot of weapons in Ukraine and solutions should be concentrated in diplomatic dimensions.
In an interview with German ZDF television, which is to be aired on Sunday, U.S. Republican Senator John McCain said that Merkel's behavior in the Ukrainian conflict was a huge disappointment for him.
"Her behavior reminds me of the policy of the '30s," he was quoted as saying.
DIFFERENT INTERESTS
"The policy priorities in Germany and France are different from those in the United States," said Gu Xuewu, Director of Center for Global Studies in Bonn University in Germany, in an interview with Xinhua.
While Europe fears to push Russia too much in the corner would trigger strong reactions from Russia which would be dangerous to it neighbors, Gu said, "Obviously, the Americans would not like to see a ceasefire in Ukraine before Russia paid a bigger price".
"A collapsed Russia does not meet the interests of Europe," he said.
Russia ranked as the third largest trading partner for Germany outside Europe, following behind China and the United States with a trade volume of 77 billion euros (about 87 billion U.S. dollars) in 2013, data from German statistical office Destatis showed.
More than 6,000 German enterprises are operating in Russia and 10 percent of German exporters are doing business with the giant country.
Tensions between the West and Russia dampened German exports and hit companies' investment confidence in 2014, dragging down Europe's biggest economy to a negative growth during the summer months.
According to analysis of John J. Mearsheimer, a professor of political science at the University of Chicago, Russia's core strategic interests were threatened by the West via North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) enlargement, EU expansion and value promotion in Russia's backyard, ignoring Russia's repeatedly warnings.
Gu said Germany and France are showing Putin their difference with the United States in interests and stance.
He expected that a compromise will be achieved within the year 2015 under the mediation of Merkel and Hollande. 
Related:
MUNICH, Germany, Feb. 7 (Xinhua) -- U.S. Vice President Joe Biden said Saturday that Washington will further support Ukraine and called for Russian actions to find a peaceful solution to the Ukraine crisis.
He made the remarks in an address to the ongoing 51st Munich Security Conference, which has entered its main day with intensive discussions about Ukraine. Full story
MUNICH, Feb. 7 (Xinhua) -- Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Saturday that Russia saw grounds for optimism on the resolution of Ukraine crisis, but stressing that military intervention should not be an option.
In a speech at the ongoing 51th Munich Security Conference, Lavrov said negotiations over Ukraine crisis would continue in the future and that his country believes "there are good grounds for optimism on issue recommendations for conflict resolution". 

73 comments:

  1. We should be helping to arm the Ukrainians.

    To make it tougher on the Roosians, who are where they ought not be.

    But we are practicing 'Strategic Patience' instead.

    Which is to say we are sitting on our arse doing nothing.

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    1. Ah, good ole bob, at least he is consistent - always urging mire war, more killing, as long as he can sit back in comfort, himself, while others get killed.

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    2. You, Bob, really are a venal, petty, little, old man!

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    3. Nay, Noble Ash.

      The Roosians are where they should not be.

      They have no right to be there.

      I am urging helping the Ukrainians defend themselves and their country.

      So as to tell the Roosians they won't have such an easy time of it.

      World War II, Noble Ash, if you have read about it, began with such incremental steps of unresisted encroachment.

      Would you allow Pooty to take back the Baltic States ?

      How about Finland ?

      Please note the Ukrainians have asked for arms.

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  2. Maybe, we should pay attention to Angela Merkel, and Francois Hollande - at least, a little bit.

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    1. You know, with those 5,000 Nukes, and all.

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    2. Pooty may have Asperger's but he ain't crazy.

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    3. That's funny; at 11:06 this morning, on the previous thread, you described him as ".....Pooty is a confused dangerous egotistical fraud."

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    4. ".....Pooty is a confused dangerous egotistical fraud."

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    5. Confused and crazy are two different things Rufus.

      He is dangerous (particularly to the Ukrainians) because he is fooling around.....not knowing for sure what the outcome may be.....his local fight with the Ukrainians could be tougher than he expects if they get some arms. This makes him confused.

      He is not crazy because he is not going to risk a 5,000 warhead nuclear exchange. And neither are we. And he knows it.

      He is not going to invade Germany or France. That would be crazy.

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  3. Got a picture of 15 or so elk silhouetted on a ridge by the farm today. Would really like to share but damn my computer skills.....

    One bull among them......

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  4. Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, first to send someone else to fight

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    1. Fuck off, Bleep Bleep Stalker Dead Beat Dad, professional asshole self described, racist, anti semite, liar, coward, self confessed moron, War Criminal and emotional 13 year old.

      You stay away from me, I will stay away from you. That is what the blog owner wishes.

      So quite the stalking.

      I am urging sending the arms which the Ukrainians have asked to receive.

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    2. You are a draft dodging coward.

      You want US troops to fight and die to protect the 'Clit Clippers" of Iraq, rather than just provide them the support they need to defend themselves.

      Your pattern is clear, "Draft Dodger" Peterson.

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    3. The rebels, also Ukrainians, are asking for arms as well, therefore, in boobies world, they should be supplied.

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    4. It is interesting that the Chicken Hawk "Draft Dodger" would dissect Iraq, cutting into ethnic enclaves ...
      But rejects, without comment, that option in Ukraine.

      Which is less than the 'Rebels' want, which is a semi-autonomous region within the country, like the Kurds of Iraq already have today.

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  5. Yeah, that's a great idea; let's get in the middle of a conflict between a bunch of neo-nazis, and communists.

    I'm sure the free world depends on it.

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    1. You urge bombing in Iraq by the USA. Training, equipping an army, Special Forces to direct the bombing etc etc.

      I am just recommending sending arms to the Ukrainians.

      Who's the real war monger here, General ?

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    2. Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, who rather than support supplying close air support to local forces in Iraq, urges that the US invade that country.

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    3. Bob is an idiot who has no realization of his contradictions. We should keep out of Ukraine AND Iraq!

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    4. No, stalker rat ass dead beat dad professional asshole self confessed moron coward liar anti semite racist war criminal that is not what I have said.

      Iraq no longer even exists.

      I've said help the Kurds, but you know that.

      out of this madhouse for the evening

      g'nite

      Cheers !!

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    5. Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, you called for the invasion of Iraq by the "First Airborne Division", that was memorable because there is no such unit in the US military.

      It illustrated the level of ignorance you have attained.

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  6. Switching subjects as the blog owner requested and going off by myself -


    IS has built near-impregnable base and mass appeal: new book
    AFP
    By Eric Randolph February 5, 2015 10:50 AM






    A screen shot released October 7, 2014 shows an English-speaking individual, who was seen in an Islamic State group propaganda video

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    Paris (AFP) - The Islamic State group has learned from the mistakes of past jihadist movements and established a near-impregnable base of support within Iraq and Syria with spectacular appeal to many of the world's Sunni Muslims, a new book has warned.

    The authors of "ISIS: Inside the Army of Terror", published this month in the US, spoke to dozens of fighters and members of the group to understand its allure and how it justifies its brutal tactics.

    In a telephone interview with AFP, one of the authors, Syrian-born journalist Hassan Hassan, said it was vital to understand that some of the group's core religious beliefs were widely shared.

    "It presents itself as an apocalyptic movement, talking about the end of days, the return of the caliphate and its eventual domination of the world," said Hassan, who lives in Abu Dhabi where he works as a researcher for a think tank.

    "These beliefs are not on the margins -- they are absolutely mainstream. They are preached by mosques across the world, particularly in the Middle East.

    "ISIS takes these existing beliefs and makes them more appealing by offering a project that is happening right now," he said, using an alternative name for IS.

    Hassan's research along with co-author Michael Weiss -- a US-based journalist -- gave them a rare insight into IS training camps for new recruits, which vary in length from two weeks to one year................

    http://news.yahoo.com/built-near-impregnable-mass-appeal-book-155052600.html

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  7. Last year, 48 prominent bankers died in the most interesting case of coincidental deaths or one of the most daring plots against the elite in modern history.

    In THE most amazing of these assassinations, 57-year-old Richard Talley was found “with eight nail gun wounds to his torso and head” in his own garage. How could any human being accomplish doing this to themselves? This scenario has repeated itself 48 times in the past year.

    This article explores the various theories on who is to blame for dead bankers.

    Are Bankers Killing Bankers to Prevent Prosecution?

    http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/02/05/dead-bankers-hold-key-coming-civil-war-2/

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  8. Speaking of which: 26 Airstrikes, Yesterday.

    Which, if consistent with to-date averages, would mean 78 More Dead-No Longer Walking Headcutters.

    I guess that "impregnable fortress" needs a little work.

    Formerly Dead Men Walking

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    1. From the last reports the Daesh not only lost the fight in Kobane, but is falling back, abandoning the villages that surround the ruins of Kobane.
      The Jordanians are flying 26 F-16s a day, into Syria, looking for targets of opportunity.


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  9. At least 2,464 people have now been killed by US drone strikes outside the country’s declared war zones since President Barack Obama’s inauguration six years ago, the Bureau’s latest monthly report reveals.

    Of the total killed since Obama took his oath of office on January 20 2009, at least 314 have been civilians, while the number of confirmed strikes under his administration now stands at 456.

    Research by the Bureau also shows there have now been nearly nine times more strikes under Obama in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia than there were under his predecessor, George W Bush.

    And the covert Obama strikes, the first of which hit Pakistan just three days after his inauguration, have killed almost six times more people and twice as many civilians than those ordered in the Bush years, the data shows.

    The figures have been compiled as part of the Bureau’s monthly report into covert US drone attacks, which are run in two separate missions – one by the CIA and one for the Pentagon by its secretive special forces outfit, Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC).

    The research centers on countries outside the US’s declared war zones of Iraq and Afghanistan.

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    1. So how does that number of 2,464 killed in Obama’s drone program — not including those killed in Iraq or Afghanistan — compare to, say, the Spanish Inquisition?

      A decade ago the Vatican published the results of a six-year study of the Inquisition, including the number of those killed across Europe. With respect to the 350-year-long Inquisition in Spain, the BBC reported that the study found the following:

      According to the 800-page report, the Inquisition that spread fear throughout Europe throughout the Middle Ages did not use execution or torture to anything like the extent history would have us believe.

      In fact the book’s editor, Professor Agostino Borromeo, claims that in Spain only 1.8% of those investigated by the notorious Spanish Inquisition were killed.

      Nonetheless, as the report was published, Pope John Paul II apologised once more for the interrogators’ excesses, expressing sorrow for “the errors committed in the service of the truth by the recourse to non-Christian methods” [...]

      But the Vatican report, the product of a six-year investigation, insists that the Inquisition was not as bad as often believed.

      Professor Borromeo says for example that for 125,000 trials of suspected heretics in Spain, less than 2% were executed.

      A quick calculation finds that 1.8 percent of 125,000 would represent 2,250 killed during the Spanish Inquisition if Prof. Borromeo’s estimates are correct.

      So Barack Obama has killed at least 2,500 in drone strikes during the six years of his presidency, not including those killed in Iraq or Afghanistan. The Spanish Inquisition reportedly killed 2,250 over 350 years. For comparative purposes, I would note, as I reported here at PJ Media last month, that Boko Haram reportedly killed 2,000 over several days in a massacre in Northern Nigeria.

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    2. Down from the previous administration, considerably.


      Classified US military documents released by WikiLeaks in October 2010, record Iraqi and Coalition military deaths between January 2004 and December 2009.

      The documents record 109,032 deaths broken down into "Civilian" (66,081 deaths), "Host Nation" (15,196 deaths),"Enemy" (23,984 deaths), and "Friendly" (3,771 deaths).
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

      The US with Mr Obama at the helm is now running at about 3% of the previous US administration's "Civilian" deaths.
      Not perfection, but a vast improvement over previous policy outcomes.

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    3. If you change the parameters to say what you wish? You can get the answers you seek.

      At least 2,464 people have now been killed by US drone strikes outside the country’s declared war zones since President Barack Obama’s inauguration six years ago, the Bureau’s latest monthly report reveals.

      Of the total killed since Obama took his oath of office on January 20 2009, at least 314 have been civilians, while the number of confirmed strikes under his administration now stands at 456.

      Research by the Bureau also shows there have now been nearly nine times more strikes under Obama in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia than there were under his predecessor, George W Bush.

      Staying on the specific point....


      again.

      At least 2,464 people have now been killed by US drone strikes outside the country’s declared war zones since President Barack Obama’s inauguration six years ago, the Bureau’s latest monthly report reveals.

      Of the total killed since Obama took his oath of office on January 20 2009, at least 314 have been civilians, while the number of confirmed strikes under his administration now stands at 456.

      Research by the Bureau also shows there have now been nearly nine times more strikes under Obama in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia than there were under his predecessor, George W Bush.

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    4. Now if you want to change the query? Help yourself on another thread.

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  10. Angela Merkel is wrong. The conflict in the Ukraine will be solved by military means. Russian military means.

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  11. Question for our deepest thinker here, our Noble Ash -

    If you are walking along, and you see some thugs beating up some innocents and taking their stuff, and they cry out for your aid, what should you do ?

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    1. What if they are simply asking for your walking stick with which to fight back ?

      Do you give it to them ?

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    2. What if the thugs were beating YOU up and robbing YOUR stuff, Noble Ash, would that have any effect on your opinion of what the passers by should do ?

      And if so, in what way ?

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  12. On Saturday, five people died when a gunman started firing at a house in the west of Atlanta, according to authorities one of the five was a child. The person who shot the citizens is also dead said Douglas County Sheriff.

    How many US deaths from Islamic terrorists in 2014?

    Based upon this terrorist attack in Atlanta yesterday, how many federal agencies and personnel will be involved?

    Just asking.

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    1. Were they yelling allahu akbar when the Atlanta terrorist attack took place, or was it just another drug gang shooting ?

      This would make a big difference.

      And the people in the neighborhood might well say the Police over reacted in any case.

      And if they liked the now dead shooter, they might burn part of Atlanta down.

      Just answering.

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  13. More terrorism in PA

    Police are searching for a gunman who opened fired inside a shopping mall near Pittsburgh on Saturday, injuring three people in what officials are calling a targeted attack. The suspect escaped after the 7:33 p.m. shooting at Monroeville Mall, east of Pittsburgh, but police said authorities have a description of the gunman.

    Two men — including one who police say was targeted by the gunmen — and a woman were taken to Forbes Hospital after the shooting in the lower level of a Macy's department store. The alleged target is in critical condition, according to police. The bystanders are in critical and stable condition, though authorities did not specify between the two.

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    1. The work of fanatical atheists, no doubt.

      Who, having rejected the God of the Jews and Christians, are in slavery to their lower selves.

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  14. Terrorism in Texas

    DALLAS — An off-duty Dallas Police officer and one other person were pronounced dead at the scene at the Lake Highlands Landing apartments Saturday night, according to multiple law enforcement sources.

    Dallas Police said two people were killed in a shooting incident at the apartment complex on the 9700 block of Forest Lane.

    An officer and a family member were involved in the shooting, police say. The second victim is believed to be a female.

    Sources say there was a small child present in the apartment at the time of the shooting. It is unclear if the child witnessed the shooting. A neighbor told News 8 that they saw a child exiting the apartment.

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  15. Terror attack in Tennessee
    CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. – A shooting in a nightclub parking lot left one person dead and two injured Friday night, and by Saturday evening, Clarksville Police had a suspect in custody.

    Just before midnight, police officers were working at a site nearby when they heard gunfire, said Lt. Steve Warren.

    "In this case, we didn't require civilian notification. A couple of officers heard the shots and were able to mark the exact time, 11:53 p.m., and we had the first unit on the scene at 11:55 p.m."

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  16. Terror attack in Massachusetts

    PORTSMOUTH--The Coast Guard has joined Massachusetts local and state law enforcement personnel investigating a shooting rampage that left one Coast Guard woman dead, another one injured, and a police officer wounded.

    Petty Office Second Class Adrian Loya, based in Portsmouth, living in Chesapeake, is accused of ambushing police and shooting two other guard members.

    The horrific events played out 450 miles away from Loya's home base Thursday in Bourne, Mass.

    Loya pleaded not guilty at his arraignment in Falmouth District Court, to murder charges. He was ordered to undergo a mental health evaluation and was held without bond.

    The motive behind what is being described as a well thought out ambush assault remains unknown.

    The victims have been identified as . And, 31-year-old Coast Guard Petty Officer Lisa Trubnikova, and 30-year-old Coast Guard Petty Officer Anna Trubnikova. Also shot was Bourne Police Officer Jared McDonald .

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  17. Terror attack in Miami

    MIAMI (CBSMiami) – A man stormed inside of a West Dade beauty salon and opened fired on a hairstylist before turning the gun on himself on Saturday.

    According to Miami-Dade police, the shooter – in his 30s – entered Salonz Beauty Suites at 8315 W. Flagler Street at around 4:40 p.m. and shot his girlfriend in the lobby area, in front of customers and other employees.

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  18. Good Grief

    I await our Logician, Quirk, to give his judgement of the equation you are making.

    It's beyond my capacity.

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    1. Let me clarify. Dead is dead. Getting shot is a terrifying experience. I’ll let Q explain the implications to you.

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    2. I shall then await Quirk's insights on these matters.

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    3. .

      Getting shot is a terrifying experience.

      Only if you are lucky.

      .

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  19. US citizens have a better chance of being killed by a US child or a US cop than some crazed foreign Islamist

    OKLAHOMA CITY — One suspect was killed and an officer was transported to the hospital in an officer-involved shooting in southwest Oklahoma City Friday.

    According to a statement by Oklahoma City Police, officers were attempting to make contact with a wanted felon, Herbert Hill, 26, who at the time was a only suspect wanted in an area robbery.

    Officers found the suspect sitting in the passenger’s side of a car at the 1000 block of S.W. 62nd.

    Reports say they tried to take him into custody, but he refused. Hill then flashed a firearm at the five officers and proceeded to shoot. That’s when the officers returned fire, killing the suspect.

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  20. Death by the way, according to our Nation's bard, is 'different from what anyone supposes, and luckier'.

    Many another has said the same thing, Black Elk for instance.

    This has nothing to do with the topic, of course, but just to cheer you up.

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  21. Here's terrorism -

    Baghdad: Islamic jihadists murder 37 people, wound 86

    February 7, 2015 8:50 am By Robert Spencer 18 Comments

    Iraq police“Police officials said a suicide bomber targeted a street filled with hardware stores, killing 22 people and wounding at least 45. The second attack took place shortly afterward in central Baghdad’s popular Shorja market. Police said two devices detonated 25 meters apart from one another, killing at least 11 people and wounding 26.” Will the Islamophobia never end?

    “Baghdad bombings kill 37, wound 86: officials,” by Vivian Salama, Associated Press, February 7, 2015:

    BAGHDAD: A pair of bombings in the Iraqi capital Saturday killed more than three dozen people hours before the city’s longtime curfew was set to come to an end.

    The deadliest attack happened in the New Baghdad section of the city. Police officials said a suicide bomber targeted a street filled with hardware stores, killing 22 people and wounding at least 45.

    The second attack took place shortly afterward in central Baghdad’s popular Shorja market. Police said two devices detonated 25 meters apart from one another, killing at least 11 people and wounding 26.

    Also, at the Abu Cheer market on a Shiite block of southwestern Baghdad, at least four people were killed and 15 wounded when a bomb detonated outside an outdoor food market.

    There has been no claim for any of the attacks thus far. Hospital officials confirmed the casualties. All officials spoke anonymously as they are not authorized to brief the media.

    The incident comes ahead of Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi’s decision to lift Iraq’s longtime curfew beginning at midnight Sunday….

    Iraqi officials have repeated assured that the capital is secure, despite the occasional targeting of Baghdad’s Shiite-majority neighborhoods by ISIS.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/02/baghdad-islamic-jihadists-murder-37-people-wound-86

    The proper use of words is important.

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    1. .

      The proper use of words is important.

      Right. If we are fighting them they are terrorists. If we are providing them with weapons they are freedom fighters.

      It's a simple equation.

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    2. There you have it, in a nut shell.

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  22. I wonder if any of these folks Deuce has mentioned are thinking:

    First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...

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  23. The TSA/NSA/Terror industry:

    Cui bono?

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  24. In the terror stricken USA, you have a better chance of being shot and killed by a child or a US cop than a foreign Islamist Jihadist.

    Cui bono?

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    1. you have a better chance of being shot and killed?


      What kind of argument is that?

      Better chance?

      Islamic terrorists target my community directly. Almost all acts of violence aimed at the jewish communities and it's leaders have directly come from those who scream "allah akbar".

      to my knowledge there has NEVER been a cop or child that has attacked a Temple, Synagogue, Jewish Community Center.

      Now there have numerous attacks by Moslems (and Iranian sponsored attacks) with a few white supremacists attacks as well.

      From my perspective, as an American Jew, we have a better chance of being shot and killed by Jew haters than cops or kids.

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    2. Probabilities should drive decision making, not fear of the improbable.

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    3. Jack?

      thanks for your advise, now go fuck yourself.

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    4. You certainly are a rude piece of "O"rduure.

      Typical of bitter, failed small business folk that have lost their twenty year investment in themselves.
      But it is no 'great loss', as their imagined 'gains', they were never 'realized'.

      So the loss of twenty years, no loss at all.
      That's just how it goes, at the Madoff School of Business

      {;-)

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    5. I am always rude to Jew hating, Israel bashing, Zionist trashing, anti-semetic self confessed criminals such as you.

      You, who have stalked the WRONG Jew for 10 years at Chocolate Emporium thinking it was me, now you pride yourself in thinking you have "outed" me.

      Sorry you poor excuse of a human turd. You have not, regardless of your BEST efforts, "outed" who I am. BUT we DO KNOW who you are. After all I DID report you to the AZ FBI for harassment and threats.

      I am not a failed businessman, still going strong, in fact expanding as we speak. But I will never be polite to a loser of a man, like you, that stalks, threatens and acts like a bully to all.

      You are shit, and I call SHIT when I see it.

      So Mr "Failed Marriage" Hawkins, how's your daughter?

      Oh you DONT know? because your wife FLED to escape you? Took your only child and ran away from you and your abuse?

      Yep, that's you… Brags about killing civilians in Central America, then deletes the posts? LOSER

      Stolen Valor is you…

      A fraud, with only your web view to console you…

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    6. Ho hum ...

      The post is being compiled, "O"rdure.
      Your lies are being documented ...

      You may not enjoy it, but I find it entertaining.
      As for your continued libelous lies, they exemplify your black heart.
      They have no effect, other than to make the compilation of your story all the sweeter.

      As for Chocolate Emporium, "O"riginal brought it to our attention, now it will be used as an illustration of the Bush Depression and Obama Recovery.

      Killed by Republican policies, it has been brought back to life by Obama's economic policies.

      Even Sweeter.

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    7. Even allen praised "O"riginal for his Ohio candy company, the only one that supplied the dietary needs of the Orthodox community. The President of the now defunct Chocolate Emporium Inc. confirmed that hers was the only company n all of Ohio, the Midwest, that supplied that market.

      It is all in the archives. It is being complied ...

      Sweetness and light.

      {;-)

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    8. My Lies?

      Hardy Jack, we all have read your distortions, fabrications and such.

      You build fantasies to fit your fiction.

      I am the ONLY What is Occupation. You demanded that I post of BOTH my Blogspots and I did, the message is still up on both "FUCK YOU RAT" then after I fulfilled your demand for "PROOF" you add additional requirements.


      No Rat/Jack. You are the liar.

      You try to cause pain by calling Bob a "draft dodger" when we all KNOW that is a distortion and lie.

      You now can't admit your own folly of stalking the WRNG Jew for almost a decade.

      If you want to drag Allen into the conversation? He will tell you the same. You are a shit a person, a liar and a distorter.

      Allen would still praise me if he had not decided to stop posting because of trolls like you.

      You are incapable of telling the truth.

      Truth IS? You are a mean, little shit of a man, a loser on almost all fronts.

      You might ride a horse well but besides that? You are the laughing stock of your little circle in AZ.

      They see you as just a bitter old wannabe cowboy who never amounted to anything..

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  25. MUNICH, Germany—The diplomatic scramble to calm the Ukraine crisis burst into the open here on Saturday, as German Chancellor Angela Merkel clashed with Western officials over whether the West should deliver weapons to Ukraine.

    Merkel, who held emergency talks in Kiev and Moscow in recent days, pledged to keep pushing for a deal to calm the fighting between Ukrainian forces and pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine, which has claimed more than 5,000 lives. But she warned that despite what her spokesman described as constructive talks in Moscow on Friday, there was no guarantee that Russian President Vladimir Putin would make good on any pledges to halt the conflict.

    “I say also after the talks yesterday in Moscow, it is uncertain whether they will be successful,” she said in a speech at the Munich Security Conference to an audience that included U.S. Vice President Joe Biden and Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko. “But it is from my perspective and the perspective of the French president certainly worth trying.”

    Biden said he was there to talk about the “fundamental principle of a Europe whole and free” and said the U.S. believes there should be no “spheres of influence” in Europe and that all countries have a sovereign right to choose their own alliances.

    While Biden asserted that the U.S. doesn’t believe there is a military solution, he said Washington also doesn’t believe Russia has a right to support separatists in eastern Ukraine.

    The comments were part of a whirlwind diplomacy effort over the Ukraine crisis. Merkel and French President François Hollande unexpectedly flew to Kiev on Thursday to sound out Poroshenko on a new peace deal. The French and German leaders then negotiated with Putin in Moscow on Friday night.

    Speaking separately to labor unions in Russia’s Black Sea town of Sochi on Saturday, Putin said Western sanctions have had a negative impact on the country’s economy, but said Moscow “won’t wage a war with anyone and will instead cooperate with everyone,” local news agencies reported.

    In a question-and-answer session after her speech, several audience members, including Sen. Bob Corker (R, Tenn.), confronted Merkel about her opposition to providing arms to help the Ukrainian military resist the separatists. The White House has been openly considering such a step, which Moscow said would amount to a threat to Russian national security, even as the Kremlin continues to deny supporting the rebels in eastern Ukraine.

    Merkel is scheduled to fly to Washington on Sunday for a meeting with President Barack Obama at the White House on Monday.

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  26. I think the German and French concern is worthy of respect.

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  27. MOSCOW, February 8 /TASS/. The leaders of Russia, France, Germany and Ukraine are expected to hold telephone negotiations on Sunday that will culminate the shuttle efforts to find a way out the Ukraine crisis that were taken at the very top level this weekend.

    “Work (on the Ukraine crisis) will continue and its preliminary results will be summed up next Sunday during a summit-level telephone conversation to be held in the "Normandy format", the Russian president’s spokesperson, Dmitry Peskov, said at night after the five-hour talks in the Kremlin last Friday between Russian President Vladimir Putin, French President Francois Hollande and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

    The European leaders arrived in Moscow last Thursday, February 5, after consultations with Ukrainian President Pyotr Poroshenko whom they had met in Kiev.

    The results of the meeting in Moscow

    "Judging from proposals formulated by the French president and German chancellor, the text of a possible joint document on implementation of the Minsk agreements is being in the making. The document is supposed to include proposals made by the Ukrainian president and initiatives formulated today (on Friday) and added by Russian President Vladimir Putin,” the Kremlin spokesperson said adding the text and the proposals would be submitted for approval to all the sides in the Ukraine conflict.

    The participants in the negotiations preferred not to elaborate on the essence of the talks or the initiatives under discussion. The Russian president also refrained from making any public assessment of the Friday consultations.

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  28. Pravda seems a bit more restrained today. Maybe they got the memo

    ...During the conversation, Lavrov and Kerry discussed a wide range of issues in the US-Russian relations. The Russian minister said that hyping up confrontation with the purpose of putting the pressure of sanctions on Russia was hopeless. Washington's plans to supply military equipment and arms to Kiev are fraught with unpredictable consequences, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said. Such efforts may "disrupt the efforts to resolve the crisis in southeastern Ukraine."

    Interestingly, John Kerry shared some personal news with his Russian counterpart at the meeting. Kerry mentioned that his daughter Vanessa just had her second child - a girl. Lavrov presented his congratulations and gave a dig to the former Massachusetts senator about the New England Patriots' Super Bowl victory over the Seattle Seahawks, the AP reports.

    "John, we always are happy when patriots beat hawks," Lavrov said.

    Kerry paused before replying, "I hadn't thought of it that way. I'm sure you do."

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  29. Latest update : 2015-02-07 from France 24


    A day after French President François Hollande and German Chancellor Angela Merkel presented a new peace plan to Russia's Vladimir Putin in Moscow, Hollande on Saturday called the proposal "one of the last chances" to avoid war in east Ukraine.

    “I think this is one of the last chances, that’s why we took this initiative,” Hollande said, speaking of talks held in conjunction with Putin and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

    Speaking on France 2 television on Saturday, Hollande said the plan under negotiation would see a 50- to 70-kilometre (31- to 44-mile) demilitarised zone established.

    He also called for "rather strong" autonomy in parts of east Ukraine.

    The negotiators’ aim is to draw up a possible joint document on implementing the much-violated September peace plan concluded in Minsk, Belarus. That agreement also featured a demilitarised zone, though the battle lines have since changed, and the government in Kiev has offered a measure of autonomy to the separatists.

    “If we don’t manage to find not just a compromise but a lasting peace agreement, we know perfectly well what the scenario will be. It has a name, it’s called war,” Hollande told reporters in the city of Tulle in central France.

    Merkel, who on Saturday participated in the high-profile Munich Security Conference, said that although the peace plan is worth trying, “it is uncertain if it will succeed” in ending the fighting that has so far killed more than 5,000 people.

    Merkel, who in Munich held three-way talks with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and US Vice President Joe Biden and will fly to Washington on Sunday to meet US President Barack Obama, also questioned the logic of sending arms to fight separatists who are believed to have unlimited supplies of weapons from their Russian backers.

    “I understand the debate but I believe that more weapons will not lead to the progress Ukraine needs. I really doubt that,” the conservative German leader said. “There is already a large number of weapons in the region and I don’t see that this has made a military solution more likely.”

    Emerging rift

    The debate over how to confront the Moscow-backed rebels has led to an emerging rift between the US and Europe, with Obama facing increasing pressure from some members of Congress to provide Kiev with lethal weapons.

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  30. No one will win an arms race with the Russians on their own border. How would it work on the international border with Texas, California or even Idaho? Of course not. What do we expect will happen with Russia? How did it work out arming the Syrian opposition?

    There is some wiggle room here.

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    1. All the people of eastern Ukraine want, what the Kurds already have, a semi autonomous relationship with their Federal government.

      Same as Idaho has.

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    2. What does Kiev want, if not to remove the ethnic Russians from that part of Ukraine?

      almost immediately after Yatsenyuk became the leader of Ukraine, he sacked the existing three Deputy Defense Ministers, on March 5th, and replaced them with three rabidly anti-Russian neo-Nazis, who were committed to this bombing-policy.

      The person who was made the Minister of Defense, Mikhail Koval, has announced his intention to ethnically cleanse from southeastern Ukraine the “subhumans” who voted for Yanukovych, who will “be resettled in other regions,” meaning either Russia (if Russia accepts these Ukrainian refugees) or else concentration-camps inside Ukraine (and then perhaps death). “There will be a thorough filtration of people.”

      Their property will be confiscated, and
      “Land parcels will be given out for free to the servicemen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and other military formations, as well as to the employees of Interior Ministry and the Security Service of Ukraine that are defending territorial integrity and sovereignty of the country in eastern and southeastern regions of Ukraine.”


      http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/06/ukraine-international-war-criminal-obama-putin-2.html

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  31. Jack HawkinsSun Feb 08, 10:15:00 AM EST
    Even allen praised "O"riginal for his Ohio candy company, the only one that supplied the dietary needs of the Orthodox community. The President of the now defunct Chocolate Emporium Inc. confirmed that hers was the only company n all of Ohio, the Midwest, that supplied that market.

    It is all in the archives. It is being complied ...

    Sweetness and light.



    Outing of people's PERSONAL information in a derogatory way is in violation of Blogspot rules.

    Chocolate Emporium is not, nor has ever been connected to me in any way, but this does not get Jack off the hook.

    His intention is to "out" people. He has stalked the wrong Jew for almost a decade.

    Even now when confronted with his error, he STILL LIBELS the Chocolate Emporium.
    These folks have done nothing to him and he continues to slander them.


    Jack have you no shame?

    Deuce,

    Cui bono?

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