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Sunday, February 09, 2014

The Story of the Week: You no longer have to keep your job to keep your healthcare. Who pays? The dopes that keep their jobs, of course.

159 comments:

  1. It will get really interesting when immigration amnesty is given.

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    1. It will instantly create 12 million new democrat voters.

      All part of the plan.

      Now part of that plan is the need for young citizens to pay into the system in the next 30 years.

      japan, germany and russia are all contracting as populations....

      causing major problems....

      demographics baby.....

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  2. Fox News?

    I'm surprised they didn't ask President Romney.

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    1. Elmendorf, the head of the CBO, actually said that Obamacare will CREATE jobs. I guess fox news missed that.

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    2. BTW, hasn't Anyone noticed that it's impossible to get Obamacare if you don't have income?

      The only people that can "quit" work are the ones with sufficient savings to do so. Basically, you're talking about some older, wealthier people that would have already retired but for the necessity of remaining on Group Health Insurance.

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    3. There Is one big, explosive problem with O'care that Wio, and Quirk before him, identified.

      There are a lot of people making 60 thousandish that are going to make enough this year to jump out of the subsidized category, and get a huge tax bill at the end of 2014. Along about January of next year this could be like a thousand atomic bombs going off.

      And, quite simply, without the help of the Republicans (good luck with that,) I don't see how it can be fixed.

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    4. It's creating 2 classes of folks...

      Those that will work up to a point and give up jumping to make it over the canyon.

      That 20k leap it difficult for most labor paid employees to breach.

      It will foster a "why work harder" mentality and I for one understand that most people who earn a wage cannot expect a 40 k raise on a 35k salary (60ish earnings for a couple, 25k for one and 35k for the other)

      Break it down. the primary bread winner makes 35-40k. If they hit the earnings ceiling? health care kicks in for a bill of 20k. In order to make it "pay" that 35k worker must get a 40K RAISE (20 k to cover the health care, 10k to cover the INCREASED tax bill and maybe 10K (900 bucks a month) increase the standard of living)

      I make the point that almost no 35k employee can get a 40 k raise to bring them to reasonable increase to work that much harder to earn a few bucks.

      I bet the solution will be an explosion of under the table & barter, off the books work.

      Black market baby...

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    5. One other consequence of Obamacare is that the MAJORITY of American workers will be forced into a single group.

      If you wish, and can afford it? Private insurance will be around, I expect my health care to go from 1557 a month to 2500 a month within the next 24 months.

      Within 3-4 years I will pay 36k a year for my families plan, but I will not be standing in the line with 90% of other Americans. If I need a hip replacement? I'll take a medical vacation to Israel, India or Honduras and actually pay for the same treatment and care for 10 cents on the dollar..

      Welcome to the new world order...

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    6. Now, to correctly understand the parameters of the problem, be aware that there can be a huge difference, depending on where you live. For example, in Wisconsin (Northeast Wisconsin - for ex. St Croix Falls - has just about the highest Healthcare Costs in the Nation. The Weekly Standard guy didn't pick that area by accident,)

      there is a $6,920.00 Difference between, say, Racine, Wi. and St. Croix Falls, Wi.

      However, even in Racine the poor sucker that, without understanding, goes over the line is going to be brutalized to the tune of $6,656.00.

      In St. Croix Falls it is $13,576.00.

      Ouch!!

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    7. You can find all that neat stuff right here:

      Calculator

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  3. Deuce please close the comment to only those registered. Your policy to allow anyone to register is welcomed but anon comments were not missed.

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    1. I have a half-dozen sign ons, I'll register 'em all, and make a dozen more, register those, as well.

      Censorship is not the way, unless you compare yourself to Charlie Chi-com, in an attempt to upgrade your status

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    2. Dear Anon, get off your lazy ass and use them.

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    4. Allen, there is no redemption for evil.

      Let's face the fact. That's why G-d gave us CCW & Glocks, Wilsons and Rugers.

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    5. Not at all, what I am saying is that the 'Conga Line' has forced his hand.
      That readership and participation, is WAY DOWN.

      That prior, I was to busy, to take the time to 'register'. I find the idea of registering to be offensive, especially on a 'Libertarian' site.

      But since rufus was so appreciative of the return of the Hegemony of Character, I'll register a few of them, now.
      If need be.

      The realities on the ground have made changes in everyone's perspective.

      Poor boy, wishing you could be Chinese.

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    6. That's what pisses off the Israel haters. We will not go quietly into the night without a fight.

      Those that threaten us liked us better when we knew our place and died with a whimper.

      Now? LOL

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    7. The israel hater now shows his hand with the pirate avatar.

      Criminal to the core.

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    8. AnonymousSun Feb 09, 11:02:00 AM EST
      I was to busy, to take the time to 'register'. I find the idea of registering to be offensive, especially on a 'Libertarian' site.




      Not to be concerned the NSA and the FBI certainly KNOW who you are.

      LOL

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  4. An unappreciated, in my view, factoid about Obamacare is that 50% of those that qualify for Subsidies don't know that they qualify for subsidies, and the further down you go on the income scale, and, of course, the further Up you go on the subsidy scale, the lower the percentage of those who know.

    Being "news junkies" we just kind of assume that the hoi polloi know all that we know. We're kind of assholes, really. :)

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    1. How about we deflate the entire system and charge everyone the same price for the same service?

      Why should we charge 50 times more for one person than another.

      That's horrible.

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    2. It's called "Medicare for All."

      That's what the Socialists, . . . . . . . . . er, . . Democrats really want.

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    4. No one gives a crap about the Israeli rabbis.

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    6. Ahh, but it is the healthcare system, financed by the Government that is killing those babies, not the Rabbis.

      The Rabbis object to the socialized murder of their people, in the name of "Health Care'

      When they speak of 'War', they really mean "Peace'..

      When wio speaks of socialism, he knows it well.
      Approves of it for his own people, rails against it when it benefits others.

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  5. I can flip the switch if the privilege is abused.

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  6. Regarding the thread: No one should have to face health problems without some form of insurance. As always it’s about details.

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  7. I am more convinced consumption tax is the best solution.

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  8. Everyone buys and consumes something every day.

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    1. Way too tough on the poor, Deuce.

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  9. Lottery, alcohol and tobacco taxes should be diverted from the political gift baskets and put into a healthcare catastrophe fund. A 25% surtax on medical lawsuit fees and class action lawsuit fees would also sweeten the same fund.

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    1. They just need to greatly increase the number of brackets, ala the federal income tax form.

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    2. An even more disastrous occurrence will be when tens of thousands of poor folks in states that did not expand Medicaid fail to make the minimum (100% of Poverty Level.)

      A gal with a kid that's basing her eligibility, and happily paying her $25.00 / mo premium based on an estimated income of $15,550.00, that instead, comes in with an income of $15,500.00 will owe Uncle Sam approx. $5,758.00, and possibly considerably more if she ran up some healthcare expenses - she was getting "help" with her deductibles, and co-pays all year.

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  10. That’s for sure. I don’t know any successful person that could not handle a no-income limit to social security taxes.

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    1. But, actually, the Obamacare Tax on those making over $250,000.00 does the trick, and with less pain overall, probably.

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    2. Remove the attempts at social engineering from the Tax Code.
      Treat all income, regardless of source, equally.

      Develop a single graduated tax, doing away with the fraudulent accounting of the FISA.
      Bring the Code into line with Flemming v. Nestor

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    3. FISA should be FICA
      mea culpa.

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    4. On the flip side, Obamacare is the greatest thing in the world for those that would quit their job, and Take a Chance, on The American Dream of starting their own business.

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  11. Who brought up the Liberty discussion again?

    Who first mentioned it?

    I can't really recall.

    Anyway a good blog isn't about how many people are reading it at any given time.

    I'm sure there are hundreds of porno blogs out there get a lot more readership.
    ******

    To me the main problem, the big problem, with ObamaCare is the loss of freedom and personal choice that comes with it.

    Down the list but important is/will be the decline in overall care.

    And, of course, the death panels.

    That Obama has lied about every aspect of this is.......well, to be expected. He's lied about nearly everything. It's what he does.

    If 15% of the people are trying and can't afford health insurance, help them, but leave the 85% alone.

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    1. Re: Liberty

      I don't think it has been mentioned on this thread. We were nearly dragged into the J------h thing, but Deuce nipped that in the bud. All is well.

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    2. Looking back, which I don't often do, remembering the story of Lot. :) , I think the Liberty was first mentioned on the last thread here -

      DeuceSat Feb 08, 10:25:00 AM EST

      The ongoing comments of an event that occurred in our own lifetime, the Israeli murderous assault on the US Liberty, is an apt example of how events are distorted for political purposes. If we cannot trust the accounts of a well documented contemporary event, how can we believe the nonsense about religious events?

      The nonsense about writing “god” as “g-d” is particularly galling to me. It only emphasizes the blatant metaphor of god as slave master and the obedient slave and the faithful servant.

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      So it doesn't seem to have been 'the conga line', unless I missed something.

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    4. By the way, I don't understand this statement -

      "The nonsense about writing “god” as “g-d” is particularly galling to me. It only emphasizes the blatant metaphor of god as slave master and the obedient slave and the faithful servant."



      The second sentence of the statement is a great description of Islam. My understanding of Judaism though includes its emphasis on choice:

      CHOOSE life.....CHOOSE the right.....etc....and if one chooses wrongly one can return and choose again.....

      The G-d business I don't understand as a mystification, but as a recognition of the impossibility of adequately describing the ineffable. That's just my understanding, the Jews may well have some other reasoning, or perhaps are arguing about it among themselves......:)

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  12. It's nauseating to see the blog get messed up again.

    We were doing so well.

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    1. We would often criticize one another, but with good humor and jest, trying to make a point.

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    2. And I find the use of Farmer Rob an attempt to confuse the reader, and an attack on me personally.

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    3. One man's humor is another man's insult.

      I think calling you Farmer O-Bob-ma is hysterically funny.
      Fits your profile, to a 'T'.

      But you demur.

      heh, heh, heh.

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    4. You need a thicker skin Farmer O-Bob-ma.

      You referred to Anonymous as Crapper, before he brought out Farmer Rob.

      Goose and Gander, you need to toughen up.

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    5. Crapper was a compliment. You call yourself a professional asshole.

      But I'm through with you.

      I hope Deuce gets you out of here again.

      Was good, now heap shit. Again.

      Will hope for the best.

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    6. Only a fool would confuse Captain America with a buffalo, fool.

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    7. Farmer RobSun Feb 09, 12:27:00 PM EST
      You need a thicker skin Farmer O-Bob-ma.


      No he doesn't. You need to be elsewhere. Now that you have admitted to knowingly malicious harassment with no purpose other than the psychopathic desire to do harm, your time with us may be limited.

      You learned nothing in exile.

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  13. Oh, before I forget, let's get this out of the way.

    The usual suspects can blow me.

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    1. Excellent.

      :)

      A generic, so to speak, blow job request.

      Excellent, r2 !!

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  14. See? He's back following me around again. Harassing.

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    1. Just following the thread, commenting upon the comments of others.

      If for a tranquil mind you seek,
      These things observe with care:
      Of whom you speak, to whom you speak,
      And how, and when and where.
      Anonymous



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    2. Farmer RobSun Feb 09, 12:37:00 PM EST
      Just following the thread, commenting upon the comments of others.


      No, you are trolling the site making personal attacks on others instead of commenting topically. You think you are cute and clever. I might agree, once you are gone.

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    3. Not at all, allen.

      The thread is concerning healthcare, we look to the font of civilization for guidance.
      They have a socialized system, where even religious conviction is not enough to stop supporting the government's dictates as to what constitutes 'Health Care'.

      Many in the US feel the government should not finance abortions, because it is religiously volatile.
      But the client state of the US has no such adversity to including abortion in its list of options available to the patient.

      Please, quote on of the insults, one thing written that was unsavory or out of the line of the previous post.

      That Deuce did not see, or did not appreciate the abortion reference as relating to the Health Care issue, I take responsibility for, as it was not well set up.

      But it relates, exactly to respect for the individual and respect for rivate propery, both of which are lacking in Socialist cultures, such as Israel and China.

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    4. But it relates, exactly to respect for the individual and respect for private property,the other part of the deleted post, both of which are lacking in Socialist cultures, such as Israel and China.

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    5. Right...You could not sell that bill of goods to Deuce and you won't convince me. I might have been born at night...but not last night.

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    6. Not a quote or reference offered.
      Just more Ad Hominem

      Comical.

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    7. AnonymousSun Feb 09, 01:09:00 PM EST
      Not a quote or reference offered.
      Just more Ad Hominem

      Comical.

      Farmer RobSun Feb 09, 12:39:00 PM EST
      Only a fool would confuse Captain America with a buffalo, fool.


      So rat speaks with multiple avatars lusing Ad hominem when he wishes then criticizes the practice when others respond.

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  15. How is the US to deal with the problem of un-employability? Millions of Americans will not find work because 1) there is no employment to match their skill sets or 2) they lack skill sets because of illiteracy (within illiteracy I am taking liberty to include those of marginal education).

    When the enclosure laws and industrialization put Britain in such a situation, transport to Georgia and Australia, for example, relieved the stress. The US has neither the inclination nor territory for transportation (although prisons seem to have come to serve the purpose to some degree).

    The US is in a bind with no ready solution at hand. Until the systemic problem of chronic unemployment can be solved, a series of fixes like Obamacare can be anticipated.

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    1. Much of Congress seems to think it a good idea to deal with unemployability by giving citizenship to millions of unemployable illiterate immigrants.

      This makes zero sense to me.

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  16. Personally I think opening things makes the place better as it provides some balance to the four b00bs.

    assuming that rat can keep it a regular flow of crap as opposed to his off kilter free flowing diarrhea!

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    1. AshSun Feb 09, 12:46:00 PM EST
      Personally I think

      That's feels oxymoronic and nothing like Decartes', "I think, therefore, I am".

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    2. I fail to see how Descartes has any relevance other than he used the word "I think" but, ya, there's redundancy in my statement. Heck, everything stated here is opinion and it is redundant to say it is opinion - IMHO of course.

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    3. Impersonally I think sounds so darned robotic,

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    4. Personally I think sounds so cuddly.

      One can nestle up with the other before a fire in winter with that.

      I think sounds so darned PhD ish.

      I'll opt for the personally I think myself, not that I want to cuddle up with Ash.

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    5. AshSun Feb 09, 01:09:00 PM EST
      I fail to see how Descartes...


      Yes, yes, you did. Thanks.

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    6. Hmmm, Allen, I am suggesting that it is you that doesn't grasp Descartes philosophy. Carry on for you are, truly, a legend in your own mind.

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  18. Could this have something to do with why American schools are failing to produce world class scholars?

    Teachers oppose tying student test scores to teacher licensing, push for legislative change

    When Tennessee was competing for a half-billion dollars in federal education money, teachers agreed to allow the state to ramp up its use of student test scores for evaluating educators.

    Teachers also want legislation that prohibits the scores from being tied to teacher licensing.

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  19. Farmer BobSun Feb 09, 12:01:00 PM EST

    "We would often criticize one another, but with good humor and jest, trying to make a point."

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    Speak for yourself!

    I was trolling for another offer of sex with Rufus.

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    1. "I Personally was trolling..."

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    2. Doug,

      Man, you are just too needy. Aloofness works everytime...which is, admittedly, hard on a blog...

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    1. Where were we all?

      I personally hiked from our Marine Barracks "Dorm" w/o a TV, over to the modern Girls Dorm w/TV, and enjoyed the show in the company of young UCSB Coeds.

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    2. I was ordering a hamburger when JFK was shot, FWIW.

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    3. Personally, I could never understand why holding a hand was so sexy. All the guys I knew were going for the gold at the drive-in... Hmm

      The Beatles - I Want to Hold Your Hand

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    4. FWIW, Personally, I do not remember what I was doing when the Beatles appeared on American TV.

      That's more like it.

      Beatles - She Loves You

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    5. ...probably working one of my several part-time jobs to stay in school...Uncle wasn't so loving then.

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    6. 50 years ago I was filling a diaper

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    7. "Money can't buy me love"...Hmm...Love can cost money...It can get you close enough not to know the difference.

      The Beatles - Can't Buy Me Love

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    8. We Americanized it to

      "I Wanna Hold Your Gland"

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    9. Rufus still is, Dougman, that's why he loves Obamacare: Government Issue Diapers.

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    10. Diapers at night, Depends during daylight hours.

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    11. DougmanSun Feb 09, 01:58:00 PM EST
      50 years ago I was filling a diaper


      Some of us here are approaching again that age of diapers.

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    12. Rufus is just an early adopter.

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    13. Anyone else feel like you could lose control of yer bowels a week after a colonoscopy?
      I don't know why but I feel too loose.
      It sucks...

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    14. Sorry for turning this thread to shit
      :)

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    15. DougmanSun Feb 09, 02:17:00 PM EST
      Sorry for turning this thread to shit


      :-)

      Don't get too confident; the field is highly competitive.

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  21. I've had two colonoscopies, Dougman, and never had that problem.

    You could contact your ObamaCare provider if you can find a way to it, and if you have one, which I doubt.

    Otherwise, you might contact r2 who acts as the clearinghouse for all ObamaCare related problems for the group here.

    Best might be to fly down to Mexico and see if you can drum up a real doctor......

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    1. Or, just really let 'er rip once, and see if that solves the problem.

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    2. This was my second.
      Before the Doc put me out, he said he would be expanding the wall with air.
      I didn't have this feeling after my first.

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    3. On second thought, r2 is worthless. He has over two year's worth of backlog right now, and it sounds like you need immediate attention.

      Try 02:36:00 first, then go to Mexico.

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    4. Heh
      The kids don't call me "Flappy Cheeks" for nothing
      :)

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    5. r2 is booked this week with Blowjobs.

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    6. Dougman, being serious here, if you have had any blood you should contact your doctor. A colonoscopy can, rarely, cause tearing, which can cause infection, etc.

      You might want to give your doc a call in any case.

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    7. Thanks Bob.
      No blood happening here.

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    8. If it's only on your Tampon, no worries.

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    9. Aren't you s'posed to be blowing Rufus?
      :)

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    10. Obama Democrats’ troubling view on work


      Among its many stamps, the Postal Service has a series called “Made in America, Building a Nation.” The strip of “forever” stamps is a collection of iconic photographs of 20th-century industry featuring men and women toiling on railroads, skyscrapers and factory floors.

      A celebration of work and workers, the series quotes Helen Keller saying, “The world is moved along, not only by the mighty shoves of its heroes, but also by the aggregate of the tiny pushes of each honest worker.”

      My, oh, my, how times have changed. America now has a government that views work as a trap and celebrates those who escape it.

      That is the upshot of last week’s remarkable exchange over ObamaCare. It began when the head of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office reported that the interplay of taxes and subsidies in the law “creates a disincentive for people to work.” The report predicted the mix would lead to fewer hours worked, costing the equivalent of nearly 2.5 million jobs.

      In response, President Obama’s spokesman pleaded guilty — with pride and pleasure.
      “Opportunity created by affordable, quality health insurance allows families in America to make a decision about how they will work, or if they will work,” Jay Carney said.

      Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi applauded the law for freeing people from “job-lock.

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    11. Not even the Commies Advertised

      "The Non Workers Paradise"

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    12. Pay more, get less will be the experience for tens of millions by the time the law is fully implemented. And don’t forget its ­assault on religious freedom.

      All true and yet, as Carney’s defense showed, something much, much larger is at play. The impacts are symptoms. The disease is that leading Democrats view fewer workers and more dependency as a good thing. That attitude largely explains slow economic growth, record-low labor rates and the explosion of handouts over the last five years.
      This anti-job, pro-dependency tilt is the crux of the nation’s polarization. In essence, it pits those who believe in the sanctity of work against those who believe in penalizing wealth and redistributing its fruits.

      Not all Democrats agree with that approach, but the party is now controlled by those who do. It is the party that celebrates subsidies and rewards states for getting more people on food stamps.

      It opens the door wider for disability payments and fights for unemployment benefits like it once fought for jobs. It does these things not because of an emergency but because of a warped ideology.

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    13. The stigma attached to getting something for nothing is being replaced by an endless demand for more free stuff. One party is stoking that demand as it moves from being the working-class party to the entitlement party.

      That revelation counts as the silver lining of ObamaCare. We now have it straight from the White House and Congress that creating jobs is not really their goal.

      Instead, the president’s singular piece of legislation is a success because it helps people get healthcare while avoiding work.

      That is the Obama legacy. It should be celebrated with postage stamps featuring couch potatoes dozing in front of televisions.

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    14. ...freeing people from “job-lock.”

      Say it ain't so.
      I don't know what I would do if I couldn't work.
      I wander around the house on week-ends as it is. Not knowing what to do with myself.

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    15. Try a few recreational enemas.

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  22. AnonymousSun Feb 09, 12:54:00 PM EST
    That Deuce did not see, or did not appreciate the abortion reference as relating to the Health Care issue, I take responsibility for, as it was not well set up.


    You underestimate Deuce's perception and keen nose for baloney. He knew what you were about and shot you down. Keep playing cat and mouse and Deuce may knock you into next Thursday.

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    1. On New Years Eve, supreme court Justice Sonia Sotomayor issued an injunction blocking the Obama administration from implementing the aspect of the ACA known as the "contraception mandate", which requires employee insurance plans to cover a range of preventative women's health needs.

      Now Obama Care, the ACA, has a 'Contraception Mandate', much like Israel has an 'Abortion Mandate' in their health care system.

      People with a 'conservative' or 'Orthodox' perspective see it as unconscionable hat the government funds what they consider murder. It is an understandable, if flawed position, in a secular, multicultural and religiously diverse nation.
      In a nation state that claims to be of a particular religion, it is less understandable, the requirement to fund what is morally and RELIGIOUSLY objectionable.

      So much for being a 'Jewish' state, if it flaunts the standards and mores of Judaism.

      Beyond that, the discussion was about 'socialism', which, at its core, embodies a disrespect for private property.
      The socialist state of Israel does eschew private property. Instead the supposed 'Jewish' state embraces the Islamic standard, set by the Ottoman.

      The Israeli government has, to a large extent, continued the Ottoman legal system in regard to land ownership. 

      Thus, today the vast proportion of land within the State of Israel (roughly 93%) is owned and managed either by the Israel Lands Administration (ILA) or the JNF.  This figure includes much of such extensive regions as the Negev and the Judean Wilderness (near the Dead Sea), which are sparsely populated. 

      Jewish settlements in the State of Israel usually are located on lands that are owned by the ILA or the JNF and that have been consigned to each settlement through long-term leases. 

      Less than 7% of the land in the State of Israel is privately owned.


      There is little that would justify the 'O' bemoaning 'socialism' embodied in the ACA, while embracing a more intrusive form of socialism, in Israel.

      As I said, I did not set it up, well.
      Would have let it go, but you don't want to.

      So there it is, the socialist and secular state of Israel sets the standard, for 'O', until policies that mirror the Israeli's touches on his personal life, then he objects to the intrusion on his liberty and freedoms.

      That was where it was going, that is where it's at, now.



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    2. Beyond that, it seems very clear tha the religious leaders of a country have a lot to say about the social welfare system of that or any country.

      And that when the leaders of all the Abrahamic religions coalesce and agree on any subject, let alone one that impacts 'Health Care' then those opinions do matter, especially in a discussion of 'Health Care', when the subject is a matter life and death, at the hands of a doctor..

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    3. Deuce,

      Do you see anything in this rant that has anything to do with the topic of the thread. It is the typical DR anti-Judaism puke. Please consider removing it. It would be a lesson.

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    4. King of the run on sentence!

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    5. Pretty sweet, aye, anon.

      The other thing that makes the Israeli health care system part of the discussion, Mitt Romney's endorsement of it.
      The man that developed the principles of the ACA, in Massachusetts, heaped praise upon the Israeli system. Obviously the GOP, whom Mitt was representing when he made the statements would support such a system in the US.

      Not only would contraception be mandated, so would abortions, if we were to mimic the israeli system, here in the US.

      The GOP's Standard Bearer's position, very much a viable subject in a discussion of the ACA and the state of 'socialism' in medicine that it implies.

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    6. ...a sentence containing two or more clauses not connected by the correct conjunction or punctuation...

      Nope...It is missing a question mark, however.

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  23. In keeping with the best traditions of the Olympic village, a competitor has already revealed she is desperate to find an Olympian lover at Sochi's Games. When New Zealand snowboarder Rebecca Torr fired up Tinder on her phone she found that few of her fellow athletes had caught on to the 21st century dating tool. Tinder is a location-based dating app that lets users browse for prospective partners nearby. Users choose yes or no, and if there's a mutual match the app lets them know.

    It may lead to the "union for life of one man and one woman in the holy estate of matrimony" Murphy v. Ramsey, 114 U.S. 15 at 45 (1885). Then again, it may not. It is certainly worth trying.

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    1. One thing is certain: STD's will rise.

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    1. "Implicitly, Dent is saying: Don’t blame politicians, the decline of manufacturing, education or cheap foreign imports for the economic stagnation that has already begun and will continue for many years. Blame your parents and grandparents for losing interest in having children back in the Sixties."

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      Obama's policies simply act as Turbo Boost Accelerants.

      ...but they'll be free of JOB LOCK.

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    2. Demographics can provide clarity, but in this case are simplistic. In the 60s there were jobs now extinct by the millions. About 1/4 of 26 year-olds live at home.

      10% living with roommate(s), prompting fellow millennial Katy Waldman to write an embarrassing Slate article bearing the headline, "More 27-Year-Olds Live With Parents Than Roommates"
      53.8 percent made less than $25,000 from employment in 2011
      40% had been unemployed for one or more months since January 2009
      13% reported they were neither working for pay nor taking postsecondary courses
      60.2 % of those who had enrolled in college, reported they had taken out student loans


      ALMOST ONE IN FOUR 26-YEAR-OLDS STILL LIVE WITH PARENTS

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    3. The black youth unemployment rate for ages 16-19 is 393% higher than the national unemployment rate, according to data released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).

      As of October 2013, the unemployment rate for this demographic was 36.0 percent, an increase over last month’s rate of 35.1 percent. The national unemployment rate currently stands at 7.3 percent.

      http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/unemployment-among-black-youth-393-higher-national-rate

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    1. The Chi-Coms, not Japan or Vietnam will end up with the oil.
      Then they'll dictate shipping in the South China Sea.
      (from what I've heard)

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    2. Honest Joe Will Stare them Down:

      US Vice President Joe Biden will travel to some Asian countries next week to convey the message that Washington remains “determined to be a Pacific power,” a report says.


      Biden “will seek to show that while the administration has been preoccupied with Mideast flare-ups and a series of domestic distractions, the US remained determined to be a Pacific power,” according to an analysis by The Associated Press on Sunday.

      One of the pillars of President Barack Obama’s first term foreign policy agenda was expanding American military presence in the Asia-Pacific, saying the United States was "all in" when it came to that region.

      In line with that policy which has come to be known as the “pivot”, the US military plans to station 60 percent of all the Navy's warships in the Pacific by 2020, compared with 50 percent now.

      http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/12/01/337609/us-set-to-outflank-china-in-pacific/

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    3. Two "improvised launch devices" were fired near a US military base in Japan late on Thursday, US and Japanese officials said.


      "There were no injuries and thus far we have found no damage or impact points here on base," a US military spokesman in Japan said in a statement on Friday.

      "The incident occurred at 11:30 p.m. on Thursday. Flying objects were launched near the US military's Yokota airbase," a spokesman for Tokyo Metropolitan Police said.

      Residents near the base in western Tokyo called police last night to report hearing explosions, national broadcaster NHK said, adding that police found several metal pipes pointing at the base in a field some 300 meters away.

      Japan is host to almost 50,000 US service personnel and their families. The two countries have a mutual defense agreement that, in practice, means Tokyo is given shelter under Washington's significant security umbrella.

      But many people in Okinawa, where the bulk of US troops are based, resent their presence and an increasingly vocal campaign wants them to leave.

      The United States and Japan are currently taking part in a huge naval exercise involving dozens of warships, submarines and aircraft off the island of Okinawa, amid heightened tensions with China.

      The AnnualEx 2013 war games, which kicked off on November 25, are designed to increase the defensive readiness and interoperability of US naval forces and their Japanese counterparts, according to the US Navy.

      Thursday's incident also comes as tensions run high in the region between China and Japan with the focus on a group of disputed islands in the East China Sea.

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    4. Big Black Dicks in little Okinawan Chicks have presented a less than friendly face to the natives.

      "LA Comes To Okinawa" has not played well.

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  26. It is absurd to think that there is any benefit or need for a US Chinese military confrontation in Asia. China is vulnerable over trade and any economic confrontation must be led by the powers in the region and that must include Japan, Viet Nam, Korea, India and Australia. Japan could become a nuclear power. Taiwan is effectively shunted by events from doing anything without the US and certainly Obama is not going to do anything.

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    1. Might be a good time for China to work their will with Taiwan, if that is what they want, as:

      "Taiwan is effectively shunted by events from doing anything without the US and certainly Obama is not going to do anything."

      Hopefully they've decided Taiwan is more trouble than it is worth.

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    2. US GENERAL WARNS CHINA OVER NEW AIR ZONE..........big new drudge headline


      This should put the fear of G-d in their hearts.

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    3. Formosa is one of Charlie's major windows to the world.

      The amount of investment that is funneled into China, through Formosa, is staggering.

      Farmer Bob is still living in the middle of the 20th century.
      Time and events have moved on, the Chinese do not present a military threat to the people of Formosa.

      The reality on the ground, is not what it was, in the 1960's.

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      Japan could become a nuclear power.

      But, do you really think that would be a good idea?

      Frankly, even though Japan already has nuclear capability. Were they to get the bomb it would trouble me more than Iran getting it.

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  27. Doug, Bob, Dougman, MLD (very clever) & WiO:

    It's been real. I wish you all the best.

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    1. Sadly, I think the pertinent question is why.

      Even though I'm not a fortuneteller...

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    2. Maybe he is a suck who's intellectual dishonesty is surpassed by a rat's?

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    3. He doesn't want to play on a level field.

      Set the table, then is disappointed when dinner is served.

      Complains that is, after he ordered it.
      Must have been to spicy for his taste

      ;-)

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      I see the rat is back. This should be fun.

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    5. Rat is back and Allen scurried to the hills with his tail firmly tucked between his legs. As WiO says with respect to T - "too funny!".

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      Hell, cheer up. You still have me.

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    3. I'm about to head out myself.

      It just isn't worth it with the professional a. around.

      Just goes right down the toilet.

      Even if q13 is still here to take pot shots at.

      Was wonderful while it lasted though.

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