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Thursday, February 06, 2014

No TSA Patdowns for Muslim Brotherhood Members Traveling to US



Muslim Brotherhood members are given the chance to opt out of extra scrutiny when flying to the United States. But if you are a great-grandmother named Doris Jones from Evansville, Indiana, better wear a clean set of undershorts for the strip search, you fit the profile.



The records, marked “sensitive but unclassified,” were obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request. They offer few details. The State Department released a one-page document labeled “Compiled References to MB Delegation Arrival and Departure”.
“In the coming days, we’re going to write down a list of procedures for dealing with MB visits to the United States,” an April 16, 2012 entry says.
A March 30 communication offers help dealing with “FJP Delegation and POE [port of entry] Courtesies: Please let the desk know over the weekend if you’d like our help submitting to DHS the ‘Special Alerts,’ which are used to request that travelers not be pulled into secondary [inspection] upon arrival at a point of entry.”
But one member of the Brotherhood delegation, which met with U.S. academic and senior government officials, had been linked to a child pornography investigation in the United States years earlier. Under normal circumstances, he likely would have been subjected to extra scrutiny.
The records released do not address that issue. They do, however, report that “The MB/FJP delegation’s scheduler reported that their arrival at JFK on Saturday went very smoothly.”
And the official in question, Abdul Mawgoud Dardery, traveled separately and was escorted through security checks in Minneapolis and New York’s John F. Kennedy Airport “In response to a request from the MB … We did not hear anything further from the MB so we assume to departure went smoothly,” the records show.

162 comments:

  1. I nearly let this one get by. That would have been like missing Valentine's Day.

    February 6 is the International Day of Zero Tolerance to Female Genital Mutilation (FGM)

    Report : Escaping female genital mutilation in Kenya

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    1. and Jews insist on circumcising boys.

      "
      Circumcision is the only surgery which is used to prevent disease. In contrast, consider that in absolute numbers over a ten-year period (1943-1953) the Danish Cancer Registry reported 251 cases of penile cancer and for the same period reported 10,000 cases of breast cancer in women. Yet, nobody seriously advocates removing the breasts of female infants to prevent this more common malignancy of breast cancer. Almost certainly such a proposal would be greeted by howls of outrage over such a mutilation of women to prevent breast cancer. Circumcision must be recognized as an equally serious mutilation of men with equally insubstantial justification for continuing the practice."

      http://www.noharmm.org/problem.htm

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    2. I'm curious - why do Jews circumcise?

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    3. I'm curious, do you pretend to be this stupid or are you really this ignorant?


      Really Ash….

      How dare you bring up male circumcision in the same thread as FGM.

      It's specious, it's distortion and quite frankly gross…


      Wishing you got circumcised is in a whole other league than saying "i hope your wife and daughters are circumcised"

      one's a flap of skin, the other? is removal of an organ.

      twit

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    4. FGM is barbaric, true that. That being said circumcision is a painful practice with little to no physical benefit. Muslims and Jews do it as a matter of religion. I'm curious as to why, what religious foundation is there for it?

      I did a bar mitzvah video once and I was supplied with footage from the circumcision party (I don't remember what it was called but there was a big party and the kid was circumcised) and when that kid (off camera) got cut he screamed and cried big time. The look on the mom's face was not a happy one.

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    6. Ash,

      The reasons for Jewish male circumcision are readily available as are any complications. Since most American male infants are circumcised as the matter of course, it is an uneventful medical procedure. Why did you choose to make it a Jewish issue since less than 1% of all American circumcisions involve Jews?

      The reasons for Islamic female genital mutilation and attendant disabilities are also available and horrific. The practice is almost unheard of outside Islamic cultures. If you find it otherwise, please inform me.

      There is good cause for naming today International Day of Zero Tolerance to Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) and Islamophobia plays no role, unless you believe the WHO is so constituted.

      Anyone who believes that these two unrelated practices, one a medical surgery on the whole and the other an ad hoc homespun mutilation, are comparable is grossly uninformed.

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    7. Ash

      FGM is barbaric, true that. That being said circumcision is a painful practice with little to no physical benefit.


      That "being" said? Well taking a really, really, really hard dry dump is really painful too… So?

      That being said, childbirth is really painful….

      Sticking your tongue on a metal pole when it's 5 degrees is really painful…

      SO?

      The male circumcision ritual, actually has NUMEROUS health benefits. Don't be lazy, google it…

      Don't be shy…

      As one as you who can construct all sorts of sentences you are not disabled and can type into google "health benefits for male circumcision"…

      but being the lazy troll that you are i did it… there are only 161,000 articles about it..

      But read this one..

      http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/benefits-of-male-circumcision-outweigh-the-risks-8084597.html

      From the famously unsnipped BRITS…

      Go read, learn something and report back, better yet do a thread on why Jewish Bris's are the BEST...

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    8. Ash: I did a bar mitzvah video once and I was supplied with footage from the circumcision party (I don't remember what it was called but there was a big party and the kid was circumcised) and when that kid (off camera) got cut he screamed and cried big time. The look on the mom's face was not a happy one.


      Funny I can say almost the same thing…

      I did a bar mitzvah video once and I was supplied with footage from the ice-cream party (I don't remember what it was called but there was a big party and the kid was blew out the cake) and when that kid (off camera) dropped his ice cream cone he screamed and cried big time. The look on the mom's face was not a happy one.

      I guess ash you never raised a kid… or had a wife…

      Kids scream bloody murder over a bad fart, not touching them, ice cream fail, a fall even not getting the christmas present the always wanted, or in case a teenage girl not getting an IPHONE when demanded…

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    9. AshThu Feb 06, 04:41:00 PM EST
      and Jews insist on circumcising boys.



      Ash learn to be more precise with words…

      try this instead:

      and Jews insist on circumcising their own male sons at 8 days.

      Far less creepy.


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    10. The way you say

      "AshThu Feb 06, 04:41:00 PM EST
      and Jews insist on circumcising boys.

      Sounds like jews are running around hacking dicks off…..

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    11. Ash Thu Feb 06, 04:41:00 PM EST
      and Jews insist on circumcising boys.


      Ash

      So do Muslims, just not at eight days of age.

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    12. I made my comment to Ash brains on the last thread. Won't repeat it.

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    13. Look at you guys dancing around the issue. I am aware of the debate regarding the health benefits (or lack thereof) in male circumcision. What I am curious about is the religious push to circumcise males. What are the religious tenets that require circumcision if the followers? My quick google on it came up with similar rationales from both Muslims and Jews but I did it quickly and had to run out. Answer.com and yahoo answers came up top. I figured you two could at least shed some light on the Jewish rationale but instead you have become very defensive. Interesting!

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    14. AshThu Feb 06, 11:00:00 PM EST
      Look at you guys dancing around the issue.

      No dancing... Direct and to the point. Your comparison to FGM was insulting.

      Ash: . I am aware of the debate regarding the health benefits (or lack thereof) in male circumcision

      You don't seem to be aware of the benefits, in fact you seem to minimize it over and over again, regardless of the truth.


      Ash: What I am curious about is the religious push to circumcise males.

      "Push"? Again ash, jews have been doing this as a practice for almost 3400 years. Why do we have to justify it to you?

      ash: What are the religious tenets that require circumcision if the followers?

      do some research.

      ash: shed some light on the Jewish rationale but instead you have become very defensive. Interesting!


      No what is interesting is how on a discussion about FEMALE clit chopping you bring up the jewish practice of bris.

      Your HISTORY of comments speaks loudly.


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  2. .

    I've pretty much been staying out of the debate on Obamacare lately under the assumption that things will become better clarified in the next year.

    I figured that even those things that the president has waived or put off for a year would still hit prior to the 2014 election, probably in October, and at that time we should have a pretty good feel for the effects of the ACA both good and bad.

    However, it kind of sounds like the administration might not be willing to take that chance. Just heard on the news that the administration is looking at extending the changes for up to three years thus putting any of the main issues out beyond the 2016 election.

    While to this point I was willing to wait before making a judgment, assuming that both sides on this debate were blowing smoke, now if in fact the administration does try to extend the waivers as was mentioned, it would likely go a long way in convincing me that most of the happy talk they have been spouting about how swimmingly things are going was likely just a lot of bull.

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    1. Eventually the changes are going to hit, no matter how far they push it out (unless they repeal Buckwheatcare altogether) and the Donks got their name all over this mess.

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  3. The people I know (yes, there are a few) that have Obamacare are in love with it.

    And, according to Gallup, the number of respondents that say "Obamacare has Helped my family" is up 44% since November.

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    1. 32% of respondents say the first law of thermodynamics should be repealed.

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    2. In late November, 9% of respondents said "their family" had been helped by Obamacare. By the first of February, the number was up to 13%.

      Gallup Poll


      Now, "repealing the laws of thermodynamics," aside, it means something when a Law is Helping YOUR Family. At fifteen percent it starts to get interesting; at "Twenty" percent it becomes a Voting Bloc.

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      I gotta get you into that stat class, Rufus. That or you will have to be more specific.

      If the number of respondents that said "Obamacare has Helped my family" in November was 2 then even if it was up 50% that would only be 3.

      :o)

      .

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    4. I remember my first grade teacher drilling it into us that 13 was a much larger number than 3.

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    5. And, a Fifteen, or Twenty Percent, Voting Bloc?

      I might be even nuttier than I realize that I am, but that looks to me like a hell of a big number.

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    6. .

      I think you give the increased support too much meaning at this point. As I mentioned above, it will take a year (at least) before all of this sorts itself out. Right now there is too much partisan smoke being blown around on both sides.

      Besides, IMO, there are very few single issue voters out there (unless the changes really affect them in a substantial way); and the numbers in the Gallup poll still show a substantial percentage that disapprove of the ACA, much more so than those who like it.

      Just saying.

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    7. Could be; but, you'll notice that I'm not citing the "overall" support/don't support numbers. I'm citing the "Obamacare has helped MY family" numbers. I put much more weight on those. If Those numbers continue to rise, I think that might be an important development.

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    8. Obamacare has not helped my family at all, that 100% failure rate for me.

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    9. Let's look at it this way; the average Presidential election is decided by, what, four or five percent?

      Now, let's say 15% of adults has a Loved One that has been helped by the ACA (keep in mind that this is Healthcare, not a new Obamaphone, or some arcane tax credit, etc.)

      That's Thirty Million potential voters.

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    10. Poor r2, clutching at straws day after day......

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    11. Sure are a Hell of a lot of really really stupid Democrats running for office this time.

      They are also running from Obama as fast as they.

      Very few, if any, want him to campaign with them.

      Puzzling, very puzzling.

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  4. The Picaninny Caricature

    Jim Crow Museum of Racist Memorabilia, Ferris State University

    Re: "Buckwheat" caricature

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  5. Now, "repealing the laws of thermodynamics," aside, it means something when a Law is Helping YOUR Family. At fifteen percent it starts to get interesting; at "Twenty" percent it becomes a Voting Bloc.

    When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on the enthusiastic support of Paul.

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  6. You could always count on the recipients of the socialist largesse of "paid before taxes" Group Health Insurance to Support Group Health Insurance.

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    1. Dicks and Scumbags, all.

      How dare they work for a living?

      The Saints are the ones sucking on subsidies at the expense of others.

      The meeting with Joe The Plumber said it all.

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  7. Ash,

    The range of health complications associated with FGM is wide and some are severely disabling6
    . They vary according to the:
    1. Type of procedure performed
    2. Extent of cutting
    3. Skill of the excisor
    4. Cleanliness of the tools and the environment
    5. Physical condition of the girl or woman concerned

    Short-term Health Complications:
    • Severe pain and shock ● Bleeding
    • Infection ● Urine retention
    • Injury to adjacent tissue ● Immediate fatal haemorrhaging
    • Death

    Long-term health Complications:
    • Extensive damage of the external reproductive system ● Cysts and neuromas
    • Uterine, vaginal and pelvic infections ● Difficulties in micturation and menstruation
    • Increased risk of vesico vaginal fistula or recto-vaginal fistula7
    ● Complications in pregnancy and child birth
    • Sexual dysfunction ● Psychological damage


    FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION FACT SHEET

    Female genital mutilation, WHO

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  8. While the UN, US, WHO, EU, and the Gates Foundation are all behind a massive program to circumcise 20,000,000 non-Muslim men in Africa because of the purported health benefits, the EU has taken the preliminary steps to ban Jewish ritual circumcision.

    Is there something incongruent about this state of affairs? What could it be, if it can be assumed that circumcised Jews derive the same health benefits as circumcised African males?

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  9. While the UN, US, WHO, EU, and the Gates Foundation are all behind a massive program to circumcise 20,000,000 non-Muslim men in Africa because of the purported health benefits, the EU has taken the preliminary steps to ban Jewish ritual circumcision.

    Is there something incongruent about this state of affairs? What could it be, if it can be assumed that circumcised Jews derive the same health benefits as circumcised African males?

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    1. Think of the health benefits if we castrated all Muslim Men.

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  10. I was shuffling along the beach, when a beautiful statuesque blond came jogging toward me.

    At the last moment, I stepped directly in front of her.

    She ran over me, and we landed in a heap on the sand...

    It took quite some time for us (mostly her) to untangle ourselves.

    So sad.

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  11. No law against dreaming, is there?

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    1. Must not be.

      r2 lives in a dream world, and he's still free......

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    2. And Ash is making an utter fool of himself - once again - by blabbing on and on about circumcision.

      For what it's worth, and it isn't worth much, out this way there was only one gentile in high school that wasn't circumcised. And it wasn't me.

      Everybody thought he was an goose.

      Locker room fact.

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    3. What's good for the goose isn't necessarily good for gander.

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    4. Joe Campbell wrote about the flight of the wild gander, but that's another subject.

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    5. But if you were a lady, wouldn't you much rather suck a Smegma Flavored Cock?

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    6. "a combination of exfoliated (shed) epithelial cells, transudated skin oils, and moisture."

      Nice, Smelly, Smegma!

      Mm, Mmm, MMM!

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    7. Maria told me that q13 is circumcised. Then she said, "I like them like that."

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    8. I wasn't circumcised, then the last two inches fell off.

      Now I am.

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    9. By the Carolla Method. (a length of yarn)

      From the center of the anus, once around the balls, to just past the tip.

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    10. Ash may have some kind of pecker complex that is so complex the shrinks can't figure what's up.

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  12. I feigned injury, and she tended to me for some time, caressing and comforting me.

    Then I came, and she left.

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  13. Allison Lundgren Grimes up by 4 points on McConnell in Kentucky.

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  14. Michelle Dunn leads all would-be Republican Candidates in Georgia.

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    1. Dreams of a Republican-led Senate are looking pretty shaky.

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    2. You Cherokees circumcised, r2?

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    3. He's got an innie, you wouldn't be able to tell.

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    4. I was thinking it might tend to prove the rumor that the Cherokee are one of 'the Lost Tribes of Israel'.

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  15. ****No TSA Patdowns for Muslim Brotherhood Members Traveling to US****


    Everything has been totally ass backwards and upside down and out of whack since that subversive and perverse moron Obama took office.

    By far the worst President in the history of our country.

    Even the democrats are fleeing the guy now.

    Only r2 remains steadfast in his delusions.

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    1. The Blog


      CBO Director: Obamacare ‘Creates a Disincentive for People to Work’


      9:24 AM, Feb 6, 2014 • By JEFFREY H. ANDERSON

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      Testifying before the House Budget Committee yesterday, Congressional Budget Office director Douglas Elmendorf said of Obamacare, “[T]he act creates a disincentive for people to work.” He declared, “[B]y providing heavily subsidized health insurance to people with very low income and then withdrawing those subsidies as income rises, the act creates a disincentive for people to work—relative to what would have been the case in the absence of that act.”

      Elmendorf, a Democrat, tried to claim that these people who would “have less of an incentive to work” would be “better off,” but Budget Committee chairman Paul Ryan was having none of it.

      Ryan replied, “I guess I understand the ‘better off’ in the context of health care. But better off in inducing the person not to work who’s on the low-income scale, not to get on the ladder of life, to begin working, getting the dignity of work, getting more opportunities, [raising] their income, joining the middle class, this means fewer people will do that. That’s why I am troubled by this."

      video included

      http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbo-director-obamacare-creates-disincentive-people-work_778760.html

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    2. **** Elmendorf, a Democrat, tried to claim that these people who would “have less of an incentive to work” would be “better off" ****


      "Everything has been totally ass backwards and upside down and out of whack since that subversive and perverse moron Obama took office."

      See what I mean?

      Sitting on your ass is better than working.

      The end of the work ethic in America.

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    3. "Idle hands are the Devil's workshop"

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    1. Sochi Is Running Out of Pillows


      Four days before the Winter Games begin, Sochi staffers are looking for a few goose men

      The Olympics officially kick off Friday. We imagine many a staffer and volunteer are scurrying around the Black Sea resort of Sochi, trying to prepare for the glamorous opening ceremony and making sure all security protocols are in place. But it turns out that Russia, despite spending a reported $51 billion on the most expensive Olympics ever, neglected a few key details.

      It appears there aren’t enough pillows for the athletes in the Olympic Village. This news comes via the Instagram posts of Luiza Baybakova, a member of the catering staff for the games.

      Baybakova posted a picture of a notice to volunteers, which translates as follows:

      “ATTENTION, DEAR COLLEAGUES!

      Due to an extreme shortage of pillows for athletes who unexpectedly arrived to Olympic Village in the mountains, there will be a transfer of pillows from all apartments to the storehouse on 2 February 2014. Please be understanding. We have to help the athletes out of this bind.”



      [ How We Know ]

      We monitored both Russian-language social networks and Instagram for posts related to the Olympic Village, and ran across this controversial gem.

      Either the athletes arrived early, or event planners somehow didn’t know when they were arriving. Regardless, it seems like volunteers and staffers might now be asked to give up their own pillows to accommodate the athletes. It’s in line with what other citizen bloggers are posting ahead of the Olympics, like this guy, who claims residents near the stadiums are forbidden from using wood-burning fireplaces to avoid unsightly smoke coming out of chimneys. Even though it’s the Winter Games.

      Of the string of comments on the original Instagram post, maybe the last one says it all: “Fuck…and now the whole world laughs…”
      *********

      Sounds like Sochi is being run by the Obama Administration. Kind of the Russian ObamaCare, or IRS scandal, or Benghazi, or NSA snooping.....or something....

      http://www.vocativ.com/02-2014/sochi-running-pillows/

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  17. Male penguins should wear black bow ties.

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  18. Some very popular "disincentives to work" would be:

    Social Security

    Medicare

    The Graduated Tax Code (okay, maybe that one's not so "popular) :)

    Other disincentives to work:

    Medicaid

    The "Earned Income Tax Credit"

    The Conservation Reserve Program (pays farmers to leave land "out of production")

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  19. I went to the "calculator," and put in information for a 29 yr old mother of one making $16,000.00/yr., $17,000.00/yr., and $18,000.00/yr.

    The premiums were:

    $26.67

    $28.33

    and

    $30.00

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    1. Okay, so that poor girl is going to turn down an opportunity to make an extra $83.33 per month ($1,000.00/yr.) because it would raise her insurance payment by $1.67 / mo.?

      really?

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    2. wow, I pay $1557 a month for a family of 4.

      So since I work more and earn more, I should pay 50 times more for the same cast? medicine? aspirin?

      What's next separate menus for "those that earn" and "those that don't" at Applebees?

      When I go to BEST BUY, should the flat screen TV cost the 29 yr old with one kid only 50 bucks, but it should be marked up to $3000?

      These are sick ideas.

      Why should my broken leg cost 50 times more than another citizen?

      What happened to equal access? equality?

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  20. A family of Four, with $70,000.00 / yr income - ages 50, and 45 for the adults, kids under 21

    is

    $549.50 / mo. for the Silver Plan ( a very good plan w/ no annual, or lifetime caps,) and some help with the co-pays, and deductibles.

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    1. With income of $95,000.00 / yr. and Up the premium is $950.67 / mo. for the Silver Plan.

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    2. And, btw, most people do not equate Healthcare with flat screen tvs.

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    3. it doesn't matter if it's a flat screen tv or a band aid.

      one price for all

      one set of prices for all goods and services for all...

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  21. There is One magic spot ( $21,480.00 ) where the gal, above, has a significant disincentive to work a few extra hours. That's the exact spot where she moves from "Expanded" Medicaid to the Private Plan.

    All she need do is consult her $100.00 / hr. Tax Consultant (although McDonalds Workers have those) to Identify the exact spot to quit accepting more hours

    (it's not as easy as it sounds, of course; you have the various deductions, and earned income credits, and such, that you have to take into consideration.)

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  22. A lot of people came back into the labor force last month, and found jobs with small to medium-sized businesses (doesn't show up on the "headline" number, but does in the "establishment survey," and the unemployment, and participation rates.

    The Unemployment rate fell to 6.6%, and the Participation Rate rose from 62.8 to 63%.

    Not nearly as bad a report as the "Squawkers" are letting on (of course, their focus is on "public" companies, and the casino.)

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    1. Rufus IIFri Feb 07, 07:55:00 AM EST
      All she need do is consult her $100.00 / hr. Tax Consultant

      This is all about envy. Let's force people who made good decisions to pay for those who did not. Let's really stick it to the doctors!

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  23. Health care in Israel is universal and participation in a medical insurance plan is compulsory. All Israeli citizens are entitled to basic health care as a fundamental right. Based on legislation passed in the 1990s, citizens join one of four health care funds for basic treatment but can increase medical coverage by purchasing supplementary health care. [1]In a survey of 48 countries in 2013, Israel's health system was ranked fourth in the world in terms of efficiency

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    1. Hmmnh, sounds a lot like Obamacare.

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    2. Is Israel going to be your role model for everything, now?

      WiO was addressing a totally different issue. What does his question of equity have to do with Israel?

      I thought you said you had zero interest in Israel - the land grabbing tyrannts from Europe.

      You can do better than this.

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  24. No wonder, Rufus, at least three billion dollars of that socialized medicine is offset from a military grant from the United States.

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    1. Well, I guess they could have spent that money on something else. But, the highest IQ Nation in the world decided to put in an Obamacarish Health System. Maybe it's a good idea, eh?

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    2. .

      Now, you are tossing out IQ as justification for Obamacare? Before you proceed with such silliness, at least try looking up the IQ numbers.

      Trying to compare one country's health system with another is foolish. Whatever you call a system is irrelevant because there are always differences depending on details and demographics. The only legitimate differences you can talk about are performance factors. Efficiency can mean anything.

      In the end, Obamacare will be judged on its own performance not what Israel, Sweden, the UK, or Canada is doing.

      .

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    3. That's true, but it seems logical, to me, to look at what systems are working the best in other countries, and several of the countries with the best outcomes have healthcare systems that look quite a bit like Obamacare.

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  25. I did a bar mitzvah video once and I was supplied with footage from the circumcision party (I don't remember what it was called but there was a big party and the kid was circumcised) and when that kid (off camera) got cut he screamed and cried big time. The look on the mom's face was not a happy one.

    NO BLOOD FOR MOHEL!

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  26. Peak oil, all right. Peak oil demand.

    Miles driven per American peaked in 2005, and have since declined 8.8%. This has never happened before. From 1900 to 2007, vehicle miles driven increased every year except 1932, during the Great Depression, according to data from the Department of Transportation. It's now declined in three of the past five years. From 1971 to 2005, miles driven per person increased every year expect 1975. That figure has now declined in each of the last eight years.

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    1. Demand is a function of Price, which is a function of Supply.

      It's circular; you can't talk about one without speaking of the other two.

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  27. A little "historical perspective"

    Doctors' incomes Tripled in the next couple of years following the introduction of Medicare.

    Additional Demand is hardly ever "bad for business."

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    1. Rufus IIFri Feb 07, 09:31:00 AM EST
      A little "historical perspective"


      So what? They made choices in life that guaranteed good incomes. The same could be said of engineers, chemists, biologists...well, just about anyone who made education a priority. 75% of them did not drop out of high school and get pregnant by "father unknown".

      Marxism is attractive because it promises equality of outcomes no matter how badly its followers screw up their lives. Marxists steal from the accomplished to subsidize the foolish.

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  29. My point is, the fact that I support subsidized healthcare Does Not make me "Anti-Doctor."

    There's a good chance that Obamacare will lead to Higher Incomes in the Medical field, not lower.

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  30. It's circular; you can't talk about one without speaking of the other two.

    Thought of that, Rufus. The same article mentions that gas prices price as a function of hours worked remains roughly the same as a decade ago. And yet, even in an era with remarkable gas mileage, miles driven are down.

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    1. Keep in mind, Teresita, that the Price of oil has, roughly, doubled since 2005, and is up almost 1,000% since the low point in 1999.

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  31. The left finds its identity not in its utopian visions, but in the things and people it wishes to destroy. Only by knowing what they hate, do its followers know who they are.

    Hate is the Force that Gives the Left Meaning

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  32. For the record, r2, every acre of my land that can be farmed is being farmed. There are no idle acres.

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    1. This year's crops are alfalfa and garbanzo beans.

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    2. Idle acres are the Devil's playpen.

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  33. Yep, I would like to "destroy" poverty, disease, and illiteracy - at least, in the United States.

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    1. Compared to the rest of the world we are doing great on the poverty front.

      Disease wise also.

      Illiteracy? I've concluded true illiteracy can't be 'destroyed'. Some people just don't like to read.

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    2. One of our main health problems is obesity.

      What does that tell you about our 'poverty' problem?

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  34. Federal, State, and Local Governments cut 29,000 jobs in January.

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  35. Here, r2, join this -

    Dear Friend,

    I've got some exciting news to share with you.

    My friends at American Legacy PAC just launched an important new project called Save our Healthcare - and I will be serving as Chairman.

    Let me tell you a bit more about what we'll be doing, and how you can help.

    When I spoke just feet away from President Obama about the dangers of political correctness at last year's National Prayer Breakfast, many were surprised.

    After all, my background is medicine, not politics.

    But it doesn't take a brain surgeon like me to see that America is facing serious problems. And right now, the number one problem is Obamacare.

    Dropped coverage, failing websites, skyrocketing premiums - the list goes on and on.

    I wish I could snap my fingers and make Obamacare disappear tomorrow, but we both know that won't happen.

    That's why we're launching Save our Healthcare - a national citizens' effort to hold Washington accountable, re-center the healthcare debate around doctors and patients, and begin to answer the question of "What's next?" - because real reform is absolutely vital.

    Please join me, and sign our petition at SaveOurHealthcare.org.

    It is our goal to recruit every American that believes we can do better than Obamacare, and make sure that our message is received loud and clear by every elected official and candidate in 2014.

    Please sign up to support this project, and ask your friends and family to do the same.

    Sincerely,
    Ben Carson
    Dr. Ben Carson
    Chairman, Save Our Healthcare
    American Legacy PAC


    https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#inbox/1440c7f23c80386f

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  36. Insurance companies and agents lining up at the government trough -


    Health Insurers Banking on Government Funding


    By Megan McArdle Feb 6, 2014 9:07 AM PT 188 Comments Email Print




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    Yesterday, I noted Bruce Japsen’s report that Humana Inc.’s chief executive officer was bullish on its health-care exchange policies:


    "With a little less than two months left in the open enrollment period, Humana executives said they expect even more younger people to sign up, which 'mitigates adverse' risk. The demographic makeup of those who have signed up so far has made Humana executives confident their exchange plans have been priced appropriately."

    But Scott Gottlieb points out that this is not what Bruce Broussard is telling the government:

    Now we have some hard numbers. Humana announced that it expects to tap the three risk adjustment mechanisms in ObamaCare for between $250 and $450 million in 2014. This amounts to about 25 percent of the insurer’s expected exchange revenue. This money is needed to offset losses that the insurer will take as a result of slower enrollment in its ObamaCare plans, and a skewed risk pool that weighs more heavily toward older and less healthy members than it originally budgeted.

    More than half of the money will come from the $25 billion reinsurance pool that ObamaCare provides (collected through a tax on employer-sponsored health plans). The other half will come mostly from the risk corridors. Humana is expected to book the money as revenue to offset shortfalls between what it collects in exchange premiums and pays out in medical claims.

    The company blamed the Obama Administration’s decision late last year to extend grandfathering of individual market plans for the overall deterioration in the risk pool. That means that Humana (like other insurers) was counting on people from the individual market being forced to transition into ObamaCare plans. It’s widely perceived that the Obama Administration counted on that migration as well. But Humana’s statement was a very clear expression of this expectation.

    This doesn’t sound like a company that is confident it has priced its exchange policies correctly; it sounds like a company that is confident it has priced its exchange policies incorrectly but is going to have most of its losses made up by the U.S. government. And if Humana -- one of the country’s largest and most experienced health insurers -- has priced its policies incorrectly, what are the odds that most of the other insurers have done better?

    To contact the writer of this article: Megan McArdle at mmcardle3@bloomberg.net.

    To contact the editor responsible for this article: Brooke Sample at bsample1@bloomberg.net.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-06/health-insurers-banking-on-government-funding.html

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  37. Activists and entrepreneurs have blamed the exclusion of Arabs on a number of factors. They say Arabs who study science in Israeli universities or colleges typically go on to work in medicine or pharmacology, professions that are traditionally considered more respectable in their culture. Many Israeli entrepreneurs come from elite military units where they have been given cutting edge technological training and most Arabs don't serve in the military.
    Geography has also played a part. Israel's high-tech heart is in Tel Aviv and surrounding cities, far from the centers of Arab population in the south and north. Arabs who study science tend to return to their home villages to be close to their families, often taking up poor-paying jobs as teachers, rather than work in the Tel Aviv area.


    Arabs do not study fields that offer higher compensation. Most do not serve in the military as the matter of personal choice; thereby, losing a golden opportunity to acquire cutting edge IT training. Arabs will not move to where the highest paying jobs are found, blaming distance as a barrier.

    And...all the above is the fault of Israel...Amazing...


    In Israel, a push to bring Arabs into tech sector

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  38. It sounds like those Humana customers got a pretty good deal.

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  39. .

    It looks like Obama is getting ready to sign a new Farm Bill into effect that will cost north of a $trillion over the next 10 years.

    There are complaints about the 1% cut in food stamps. Here is how it affects Michigan.

    One of the most criticized provision of the bill are the cuts to what are sometimes known as “heat and eat” policies that some states use to expand eligibility for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, better known as food stamps.

    Heat and eat works like this: If a household receives benefits under the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, the federal government assumes that household is paying for utilities and allows residents to use a standard utility allowance in computing their food assistance eligibility.

    Michigan and other states have begun giving out nominal utility assistance payments, as little as a dollar a month, in order to allow some residents to claim the standard allowance and increase their eligibility for food assistance even when utilities are included in their rent.

    The farm bill would require residents to get at least $20 a year in utility assistance to be eligible. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that will reduce benefits for 850,000 households nationwide by an average of $90 a month.


    Those that complain about the cuts argue

    But, for people living on the edge of solvency, small cuts matter, said Kareemah El-Amin, executive director of the Food Bank Council of Michigan. “When you take a cut of $38 from a family per person, that is significant.”

    I have no problem with those who argue for more assistance to the poor. What I do have a problem with is those who manipulate the system to achieve their goals. If you want to argue for more food stamps or assistance, do it out in the open, not with gimmicks and tricks.

    .

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      http://www.freep.com/article/20140207/NEWS06/302070061/farm-bill-barack-obama-michigan-farmers

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  40. Rufus IIFri Feb 07, 10:53:00 AM EST
    Yep, I would like to "destroy" poverty, disease, and illiteracy - at least, in the United States.


    So would I. But what is proposed and what has been done is NOT working and has not worked for two generations. The highest ACT scores ever recorded were those of the class of 1966. Despite "handicapping" at every opportunity, the real scores have declined ever since.

    The US spends more money per pupil on primary and secondary education than any country in the world. Yet, the US does not even make it into the top 25 when tested internationally. What does that tell you? It tells me that what the US considers "education" is not considered education by the rest of the world. Illiteracy cannot be destroyed when it is subsidized by the nonsense this administration proposes: citizens will be subsidized for making bad choices; they can trade off income for leisure at government expense. I suggest that our children have plenty of leisure. What they do not have is the opportunity and incentive to gain the skills necessary to compete in a global economy. Without these skills, "poverty" is a given.

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    1. Obamacation is the answer.

      Give subsidies to kids with low grades and test scores.

      This will allow them to follow their passion, whatever that might be.

      Kids will be freed from the chains of adult oversight, and the tyranny's of their parents.

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    2. A leading Common Core advocate is now on record saying our "children belong to all of us" as part of a panel discussion in support of national education standards.

      As you may know, Common Core is the new federally-funded national education standards program that is being used to further nationalize education and impose a liberal agenda on our children.

      Now, a leading Common Core advocate is saying that our children BELONG to the government!

      Right now, the "carrot" of federal funds is being used to lure states to implement the national Common Core standards.

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    3. The United States Department of Education (ED or DoED), also referred to as the ED for (the) Education Department, is a Cabinet-level department of the United States government. Recreated by the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88) and signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on October 17, 1979, it began operating on May 4, 1980.[2]
      The Department of Education Organization Act divided the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare into the Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services. The Department of Education is administered by the United States Secretary of Education.

      Upgrading Education to cabinet level status in 1979 was opposed by many in the Republican Party, who saw the department as unconstitutional, arguing that the Constitution doesn't mention education, and deemed it an unnecessary and illegal federal bureaucratic intrusion into local affairs. However many liberals and Democrats see the department as constitutional under the Commerce Clause, and that the funding role of the Department is constitutional under the Taxing and Spending Clause. The National Education Association supported the bill, while the American Federation of Teachers opposed it.

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    4. Time for Rufus to extol the virtues of the NEA.

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    5. Black Teen Unemployment Jumps to 38%


      The black teen unemployment rate spiked to 38% in January. The dramatic increase represented almost a 10% increase over December's 35.5% unemployment rate. Overall, the teen unemployment rate for all races was 21%, a modest increase from December.

      This increase in teen unemployment comes as President Obama and Democrats have made a minimum wage hike the central plank of their economic agenda. Only 2% of hourly workers in the US earn the minimum wage, but the overwhelming majority of teen workers begin work earning the minimum wage. While minimum wage hikes don't lead to many job losses in the overall economy, they can have a large effect among teen workers. The minimum wage, after all, is simply a starting wage.
      It is worth noting that several states did increase their minimum wage at the start of this year. A number of states even index their minimum wage to inflation, resulting in annual increases in the starting wage. More than two-thirds of minimum wage earners receive a raise within the first 12 months on the job. You can't earn a raise, however if you don't have the job in the first place.

      If Democrats were successful in raising the minimum wage, a number of starting jobs will disappear. Rising teen unemployment may be the new normal.

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    6. They hoped, they got change.

      Small Change.

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    7. I'm counting on Mary Jane to pull the SAT scores upward in Colorado and Washington State.

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    8. Bieber and his Dad smoked so much weed in their private plane that the pilots put on oxygen masks.

      They were so abusive that the stewardess took refuge in the cockpit.

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  41. Obamacare enrollees hit snags at doctor's offices - latimes.com


    A month into the most sweeping changes to healthcare in half a century, people are having trouble finding doctors at all, getting faulty information on which ones are covered and receiving little help from insurers swamped by new business.

    Experts have warned for months that the logjam was inevitable. But the extent of the problems is taking by surprise many patients — and even doctors — as frustrations mount.

    Aliso Viejo resident Danielle Nelson said Anthem Blue Cross promised half a dozen times that her oncologists would be covered under her new policy. She was diagnosed last year with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and discovered a suspicious lump near her jaw in early January.

    But when she went to her oncologist's office, she promptly encountered a bright orange sign saying that Covered California plans are not accepted.

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    1. To hold down premiums under the healthcare law, major insurers have sharply cut the number of doctors and hospitals available to patients in the state's new health insurance market.

      Now those limited options are becoming clearer, and California officials say they are receiving more consumer complaints about access to medical providers. State lawmakers are also moving swiftly to ease some of the problems that have arisen.

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    2. Why do patients need doctors and hospitals?

      That's so yesterday.

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    3. All anybody needs is a supply of medical marijuana.

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    4. q13 gets along fine just on Vodka.

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    5. Remember how q13 described maybe 15 threads ago how he woke up with the shakes one morning and a little sippin' 120 proof Roossian put him on the good to go in less than half an hour?

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    6. And r2 self meds with Budweiser. He may be an old geezer as q13 described him but he's a healthy un.

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    7. And with Deuce 2 it's high quality very expensive wines and such not.

      I eat chocolate, potato chips and drink Diet Cherry Pepsi for my health.

      This is all non prescription stuff for all of us.

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    8. You need a large sack of Nacho Dorritos.

      Your diet is deficient in Orange food dye.

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  42. Something tells me that the boycott of Israel dreamed of by anti-Jews is not going to amount to much in the long run. Even Turkey will find itself back in the pro-Israel fold after 2017. Money (natural gas) trumps the scruples of ill informed, malicious conscience when all is said and done.


    Aussie energy firm Woodside to pay $2.5 billion to enter major Israeli gas field


    Woodside will pay more than it had originally offered to enter the gas field because its owners want to pipe much of the gas to Turkey and other regional countries. Pipeline exports to Turkey require less development spending, which would increase the value of the gasfield.

    …and…

    The drilling partners behind Israel’s large Leviathan gas reservoir have sealed their first export deal for the basin – a $1.2 billion sales agreement with the Palestine Power Generation Company.

    According to the agreement, signed at the American Colony Hotel in Jerusalem on Sunday, PPGC will buy around 4.75 billion cubic meters of gas for a period of 20 years, to fuel a future power plant in Jenin with a 200-megawatt capacity.


    Leviathan partners sign first gas export agreement with Palestinian power firm

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  43. Teresita RedingerFri Feb 07, 09:11:00 AM EST
    I did a bar mitzvah video once and I was supplied with footage from the circumcision party (I don't remember what it was called but there was a big party and the kid was circumcised) and when that kid (off camera) got cut he screamed and cried big time. The look on the mom's face was not a happy one.

    NO BLOOD FOR MOHEL!

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    What is "Occupation"Fri Feb 07, 01:33:00 PM EST
    Your comment shows a lack of class.



    I don't know, WiO. It is humorous. What is more laughable is that it comes from someone who alledges no interest in all things Jewish and who will never comment on Jewish/Israel subjects unless forced.

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    1. WiO,

      In posting this exchange I was reminded of someone who took me to task for dissing what he called "my country". This is the same person who has repeatedly made the claim that the innumerable US military personnel who investigated the USS Liberty incident and found no evidence of Israeli malice are (and I paraphrase) "pencil/paper pushing careerists who would selfishly follow any order given." Implicit in this indictment of US service members is the charge of betraying both their brothers in arms and their country...But that is not, apparently, dissing "my country."


      :-)

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    2. You Jews Jews and your Voodoo Dolls do do that Voodoo that you do so well.

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    3. .

      In posting this exchange I was reminded of someone who took me to task for dissing what he called "my country". This is the same person who has repeatedly made the claim that the innumerable US military personnel who investigated the USS Liberty incident and found no evidence of Israeli malice are (and I paraphrase) "pencil/paper pushing careerists who would selfishly follow any order given." Implicit in this indictment of US service members is the charge of betraying both their brothers in arms and their country...But that is not, apparently, dissing "my country."

      Allen, I do not call you an Israeli-firster strictly on the basis of one incident. People can have varying opinions on what happened with the Liberty although it is fair to note that as far as I know you are the only one on this blog that buys into the fairy tale that it was an accident. I have provided numerous rebuttals to your arguments before and will not bother to repeat them again.

      However, your comment above reflects your usual tactics of lying and misrepresentation. You offer up bullshit and call it paraphrase. In making the point that the first 'investigation' into the liberty incident was a sham as evidenced by the words of those involved and by the people they 'didn't ask' to testify, I also pointed out that calling subsequent hearings where the Liberty incident was mentioned as 'investigations' is ridiculous. There were no additional witnesses called or testimony added. I therefore I said that the people who provided the transcripts of the original 'investigation' were merely lawyers, clerks, and pencil pushers.

      From that you discern that I said (paraphrased of course) the innumerable (one assumes you haven't a clue as to the number) US military personnel I spoke of 'betrayed both their brothers in arms and their country'. No you fucking moron, what I said was they did what they were told to do, make copies of transcripts and get them over to the people conducting the hearings, hearings that for that matter in many cases were only tangentially related to the Liberty. You cry crocodile tears over a bunch of bureaucrats yet give short shrift the men who were killed or injured on the Liberty, the survivors who still tell their tale, the naval officers who were involved, the head of the NSA, the Secretary of State, ambassadors, CIA officials, numerous authors, numerous videos, and innumerable others who are on the record calling the official version of the Liberty incident a lie and a cover-up.

      I don't need the Liberty incident to call you what you are. Your own words do it. The pronouns you use when speaking of US/Israeli relations do it. Your rewriting of history does it. Your accusation that the US is an 'abuser' in its relations with Israel is a perfect example of where your first loyalties rest. Your references to US 'obligations' in its dealings with Israel when it looks to its own interests rather than subordinating them to Israel does it.

      If you want to get into this, we can start delving into the archives.

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    4. Quirk,

      I got to "your usual tactics of lying and misrepresentation' and halted reading.

      I doubt that most people on this blog believe that the USS Liberty was maliciously attacked by Israel. Of course, since you think so I can understand why you think the feeling universal.

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    5. What is your answer to this question, Quirk:

      WHY would Israel want to attack the Liberty maliciously?

      If you can give a cogent answer to that you would be taken more seriously.

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    6. .

      Bullshit.

      You read ever line of it.

      Ask your buddy, WiO, if he thinks the attack on the Liberty was an accident or deliberate.

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    7. Quirk,

      You may hold your breathe until you turn blue and pound the floor with your little fists - I did not read it. I had no need, knowing where I was going immediately. See your comments below.

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    8. .

      You put out a post that immediately proves my point about your mischaracterization.

      Moron.

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      As for your not reading my post,

      Right.

      :)

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    10. My opinion of what happened on the Liberty is an opinion.

      The fact is that the USA has held over a dozen investigations and have concluded that the attack was an accident.

      This does not mean that the USS Liberty was not where it was not supposed to be, that the NSA didn't take it over (against standing orders of the navy)

      The USS Liberty in my opinion, should never had been 9 miles off the coast of Gaza spying on Israel.

      If the Captain had obeyed orders by the fleet it would have been 200 miles away.

      The NSA has direct negligence to the issue.

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  44. Byron York: it appears that a large majority of the activity in Obamacare private coverage sign-ups is essentially a churn operation: The system throws people out of their coverage, and then those people come to the system to sign up for new coverage, and that is reported as a gain for Obamacare.

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    1. Rufus can still pick and choose his facts, but when those group plans get canceled, it'll be Katy bar the door.

      r2 had no problem with big O changing a multi-thousand page "law" with a flick of his BIC.

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    2. As phony as the unemployment numbers we are fed.

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  45. QuirkWed Nov 27, 11:33:00 AM EST
    .

    As I've stated before, garbage in garbage out. 13 times 0 equals zero.

    I slander the hundreds of loyal Americans who worked to garner the truth? How can you slander a bunch of pencil pushing clerks that did what they were told to do.


    And…

    QuirkWed Nov 27, 11:33:00 AM EST
    You slander the nearly 200 Americans killed in an act of perfidy.


    Quirk,
    You are grossly in error: thirty-four (34) Americans were killed. This is a classic case of your ignorance, whereby you exaggerate during a tantrum (Note: I am not calling you a liar).

    I have not denied the attack. I have denied Israeli “malice aforethought”. The various investigations and investigators agree with me.

    You are not a moron. Rather, you are an ignorant buffoon – a bigot.

    bigoted attitudes; intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself: Bigotry

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    1. .

      .

      You put out a post that immediately proves my point about your mischaracterization.

      In what warped mind does

      I slander the hundreds of loyal Americans who worked to garner the truth? How can you slander a bunch of pencil pushing clerks that did what they were told to do.

      translate to accusing them of

      ...Implicit in this indictment of US service members is the charge of betraying both their brothers in arms and their country...

      Lord, you are a nitwit.

      .




      Moron.

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    2. Quirk why the personal attack?

      Why the name calling?

      Can you not concede that the USS Liberty should not, was ordered not to be in the area in the 1st place?

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      No.

      They were a spy ship, that was their job, everyone knew it was their job, all you had to do is look at her (antennas, radar, etc.) and you would know it was a spy ship, a rather large and easily recognizable spy ship. It was an NSA spy ship. They were doing NSA business.

      From some of the testimony it was indicated that the ship was being ordered to pull back from the position it was in; however, the same testimony indicated the communication was never received by the ship.

      Assuming that was true, it changes nothing. It was an American ship in international waters and it was attacked in an assault that lasted between one and two hours and involved both planes and boats by a nation that was supposedly an, ally.

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  46. DEATH OF THE OLD COW







    Suddenly, a cow runs out into the road, and a limo driving late at night, hits it head-on



    and the car comes to a stop.







    The woman in the back seat - in her usual abrasive manner, says to the chauffeur,



    "You get out and check on that poor cow. You were driving."







    So the chauffeur gets out, checks, and reports that the animal is dead, but it appeared



    to be very old.






    Well, says the woman, "You were driving, so you go and tell the farmer in that lighted



    farmhouse over there."







    Two hours later the chauffeur returns totally inebriated, a full belly, his hair ruffled, and



    a big grin on his face. "My God, what happened to you?" asks the woman.







    The chauffeur replies, "When I got there, the farmer opened his best bottle of single malt scotch, the wife gave me a meal fit for a king, and the daughter made love to me."







    "What on earth did you say?" asks the woman.



    Well, I just knocked on the door, and when it opened, I said to them,







    "I'm Nancy Pelosi's chauffeur, and I've just killed the old cow."







    Don't You just love a story with a happy ending!



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  47. .

    WHY would Israel want to attack the Liberty maliciously?

    If you can give a cogent answer to that you would be taken more seriously.


    Bob, we have discussed the Liberty attack a dozen times here. What more does it take to get you off your ass and look into it yourself?

    The following article kind of lays out some of the theories as to why Israel might have attacked the USS Liberty.

    http://wikispooks.com/wiki/USS_Liberty_Incident

    Add to those, WiO's argument that the Liberty was taken over by rogue NSA pirates and that they were transmitting Israeli battle plans to the Egyptians and that was the reason Israel attacked them. The article also mentions the 13 'investigations' Allen talks about. The following gives in cursory summary of those 13 'investigations'.

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-okeefe.html

    As far as I was able to find the author, Christol, never came back with a rebuttal on the various reports that were put out on the true nature of the investigations.

    There are a few Wiki articles out there talking about the Liberty incident, some of them more detailed than other. Here's just one.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

    If you are interested in why a supposed ally of the US would attack an American ship, look it up. I've given you some links to start you off. However, the question today is was the attack an accident?

    What does Occam's Razor tell you?

    You have what has been called one of the most easily recognized ships in the American fleet what with its massive radar and antenna displays clearly marked with US (not Egyptian) lettering cruising along in international waters at 5 knots on a clear day with an American flag flying and sailors sun bathing on the deck, when after some initial flybys they are attacked by Israeli planes and boats for between one and two hours as their communication was being jammed and their life boats strafed even though part way through the attack the crew went and got an even larger American flag and displayed it.

    To me the circumstance imply either that the Israeli army was either the most incompetent bunch of shits in the world (something argued against by the performance in the '67 war) or the attacked was intentional and all else is just lie and cover-up.

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    1. quirk: Add to those, WiO's argument that the Liberty was taken over by rogue NSA pirates and that they were transmitting Israeli battle plans to the Egyptians and that was the reason Israel attacked them

      No I have said the OFFICIAL NSA folk, ordered the USS LIBERTY into the situation. Never have I ever said "rouge".

      And I have said that the NSA was transmitting the "electronic signatures" and comm intel, never have i said "battle plans"

      For someone that is as high on the IQ scale as you tell us you miss a lot of details, now I being just a nitwit I have an excuse.

      But you Quirk?

      We expect you to have fidelity to the facts of the discussion...

      You disappoint me...

      :( <----sad face

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    2. If it is any consolation, WiO, I often am disappointed in q13 as well. As I am in MzT and r2.

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    3. Thank you for the links, Quirk.

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