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Monday, January 09, 2012

The Islamist Spring






Guest Columnist: A few words on the prophet motive

Like other revolutionaries Islamists have too much confidence in the inevitability of their vision but no more than dreamy ideas about what it is.



The Arab Spring hasn’t so much dropped the seasonal aspect of its name as it has the national part. It’s not an Arab Winter but an Islamic Spring. But what does that mean? Radical Muslim states intent on confronting Israel and the West abroad as they oppress women and minorities at home? Or democracies gently guided by religious principles bringing their people peace and prosperity so long denied them?

The best (though by no means perfect) way to gauge the Islamists is to look at their record. What emerges is something far less inevitable or revolutionary than either they or their opponents would have you to believe.

Islam is on the ascent: This claim – shared by Islamists and many in the West – asserts that the Arab world lost its religion in favor of nationalism and pan-Arabism, only to be disappointed by both and is now ready to return to God and the Koran.

In fact, for the great majority of Arabs, Islam was always the defining feature of their lives and identities. Only a small class of intellectuals, politicians and resistance leaders ever really adopted the alternatives and even they quickly surrendered them when they needed to win popular support. So-called secular regimes, like Egypt’s, never strayed far from religion because they understood how deeply faith was embedded in society. The rise of Islamism isn’t a revolution at all.

Islam is the solution: For their apologists, Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood and the like are the only effective opponents of repression and corruption and purveyors of social services where secular governments have failed. For Islamists, however, Islam is the solution because it is divinely ordained. For those of us who do not share the faith and would like to see the Islamic solution successfully at work in the modern world, the evidence is poor to say the least.

Thirty-two years of Islamic Revolution in Iran haven’t produced either economic development or a more socially just society. Saudi Arabia’s wealth has everything to do with oil and nothing to do with religion. Aside from some general bromides and bans on interest and immoral practices, Islamic economics has little to offer in the way of solutions to the manifold problems facing the Arab world.

Elections are democracy in the making: True, the peaceful polling in Tunisia and Egypt is certainly a more promising start to democracy than killing, kidnapping and rioting. But the fact is the people in power (the interim governments) were not themselves competing in the vote and those that were, especially the Islamists, had no incentive to disrupt a process working in their favor.

The real question is what comes next: Negotiating with opponents, compromising on principles and ceding power in an orderly, democratic way are bigger tests than obtaining it. Hamas gladly participated in what is generally judged to have been free and fair elections in 2006, only to seize power in the Gaza Strip the following year, and it hasn’t shown much interest it returning it. Islamists are not the only ones whose democratic credentials need to be proven, but Islamists have a chip on their shoulder.

Islam is compatible with democracy: No one less than US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton maintains as much – and not a few Islamists agree with her. But the historical record is at best mixed. Turkey’s Justice and Development Party (everybody’s favorite Islamists these days, except among Islamists themselves) has a reasonably good record despite a heavy-handed crackdown on the press and the military. But the precedents end there.

Iran retains a thin film of democracy over a deeply repressive theocracy. Hezbollah is a contender in Lebanon’s democratic system, but plays by thoroughly undemocratic rules, such as maintaining a private army and taking money from a foreign country.

For Islamic parties, the compromises, tolerance for other views and inevitable setbacks in the pursuit of aims that are part and parcel of democracy are hard to cope with. How can a good Islamic government enforce a person’s right to eat in public during the Ramadan fast? It can, but it doesn’t come naturally.

A vote for Islamist parties is a vote for Islamism: To some extent the votes the Islamists are getting represent a kind of Islamo-Tammany Hall situation: The parties provide social benefits in exchange for which uneducated or indifferent voters offer their support. But focusing on that would miss the major point, which is that Islam is an important part of the typical Muslim’s life.

Grievances (corruption, lack of jobs) and desires (social justice, more jobs) framed in Islamic terms appeal to the voters more than when they are presented as Western imports. That Islamists say these things can be accomplished only inside a comprehensive program that includes the veil for women and a ban on alcohol isn’t an obstacle. But for their voters, more Islam won’t interfere with their values or way of living or impose any unwanted restrictions.

Islamists can maintain good relations with the West: True, there’s no reason why Islam can’t live peacefully with America and Europe. Saudi Arabia has done so for decades and the Islamic agenda is in the main a domestic one aimed at bringing back Muslims to the fundamental practices of their faith.

But many Muslims believe the world is out of kilter: It’s not just that the West and liberal values are alien, but the very fact that they so dominate the world is fundamentally wrong. The ordinary pious Muslim isn’t prepared to wage jihad to change this, but he is certainly receptive to anti-Western rhetoric. If Islamists choose this path they won’t have trouble winning popular support. But like other ideological revolutions it will be ephemeral and, in the case of the Arab world, lacking the military and economic strength to make it effective.

Islamists like to make themselves into things they are not and to portray the complicated political and social processes under way as leading in only one direction. But like other revolutionaries Islamists have too much confidence in the inevitability of their vision but no more than dreamy ideas about what it is. What they will likely get is more pious societies, struggling with joblessness and poverty and uninterested in revolution.

460 comments:

  1. Israel

    For Israel, the Arab awakenings has created a “dramatic transformation” in the structure of the Middle East peace process, said Robert Malley, program director for Middle East and North Africa at the International Crisis Group (ICG), and a former special assistant to President Bill Clinton for Arab-Israeli Affairs (1998–2001).
    Malley spoke at a Middle East Policy Council (MEPC) sponsored conference on Capitol Hill on Jan. 5 titled, Israel, Turkey & Iran in the Changing Arab World.
    Malley said, the Palestinian cause weighs more heavily now due to popular sentiments in the Arab world that Arab leaders ignore at their peril.
    Israel’s strategic outlook has historically been one of “pre-empting threats,” said Malley, which has required having a good sense of what the threats are. That approach, however, is harder to apply after the Arab upheavals when the unpredictable and uncertainty of the masses enters the equation. It’s impossible to know what the threat will be in a year’s time, he said.
    “It’s one thing for Egypt to develop a certain strategic posture when you have President Mubarak or Gen. Tantawi in power. It’s very different if you have the Muslim Brotherhood,” said Malley.
    Israel also has to deal with the reality that public opinion in the Arab countries has a greater role to play than it did before. The question of Palestine resonates more deeply today, Malley said. Any Arab political leader now will not enhance his popularity by reaching out to Israel or by advocating peace with Israel, he said.
    The “peace process” between Israel and Palestinians will have to be “reinvented,” he said. The days of strong moderate Arab leaders and a strong U.S. role are called into question, said Malley.


    “Who are the Arab leaders that are going to stand with [Palestinian President Mahmud] Abbas in the event of a peace treaty?” Malley asked rhetorically.
    Malley said that he sees Israel adopting a “hunker down mentality,” waiting and acting very cautiously. Changes in the Arab countries are viewed in Israel as bad news with the exception of Syria. If Israel does anything bold, it would be against Iran and its nuclear program, he said.


    www.theepochtimes.com

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  2. The important point comes toward the end of the piece.

    But like other ideological revolutions it will be ephemeral and, in the case of the Arab world, lacking the military and economic strength to make it effective.

    Left to their own devices, the Islamoids will be stewing in their own juices, for years to come.

    Not posing any military or economic threat, to US.


    What they will likely get is more pious societies, struggling with joblessness and poverty and uninterested in revolution.

    But the years it will take for those societies to recover from the Islamoid Spring, just puts them further behind the curve.

    Unable to formant military adventures, abroad, when they are bogged down in the management of economic malaise and collapse, at home.

    The folks in Yemen are screwed, good on them.

    Somalia, Sudan and Afpakistan, too.

    We'll be good to go!


    Double Time!
    Run Doc Run!

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  3. In Syria, the Israeli want to install a Muslim Brotherhood regime.

    Removing the more "Christian" observant regime of the Alawai sect. One which the Muslim Brotherhood denounce as being to "Sectarian".

    The Israeli promote a "War on Islam", for US, while tracking a different course for themselves.

    Run Doc Run!

    Moving from the support of one in twenty ...
    ... to one in five.

    Amongst the political activists that participate in the process.

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  4. Lest not forget, that our correspondent in Idaho fully supports the Federal involvement in drawing Congressional Districts.

    Denouncing the Congressman that did not vote to commemorate the passage of the type of legislation mandating Federal interference, in those States the Federals choose to meddle with. While ignoring others, at its political whim.

    The U.S. Supreme Court hears arguments Monday in a tangle of Texas redistricting cases, with repercussions beyond the Lone Star State. Consolidated into one test, the cases pit the Voting Rights Act and its protections for minority voters against state legislative powers — with an overlaying sheen of sheer political calculus.
    ...

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  5. In November, the three-judge court, composed of both Republican and Democratic appointees, ruled unanimously that the state had failed to show that its plan was not discriminatory. The court then ordered a trial to determine the facts.

    In the meantime, with the Texas primary elections just three months away and no redistricting map in place, the Washington court took an unusual step. It gave the green light to a different three-judge federal court in Texas to come up with an interim electoral map.
    ...
    The Texas court rejected the state plan, which would likely have resulted in three out of four new congressional seats going to the GOP. The court redrew the lines to more reflect Latino voting power, with the likely result being that three of the four new seats would go to Democrats.

    The state then went to the U.S. Supreme Court seeking to block the interim plan. The high court blocked the plan and went further, agreeing to review the Texas court's interim plan even as the trial is set to begin before the pre-clearance court in Washington next week.

    The legal dilemma facing the Supreme Court is this: It can't default to the old legislative map. Because of the huge population growth, that map violates the one-person, one-vote principle.

    But the new map drawn by the GOP-controlled Texas Legislature has not been pre-cleared yet under the Voting Rights Act, and there are strong hints from the Washington, D.C., court that the state plan illegally minimizes minority voting power.

    That leaves the interim plan, but the state of Texas contends that it, too, is invalid because the court in Texas "substituted its judgment" for the Legislature's without any finding of legal violations.

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  6. The Second Kristallnacht

    The Israeli government shelters a convicted criminal, Lt Col Klein IDF(ret) a trainer of drug cartel death squads in Colombia.

    Eichmann found shelter in Argentina, lively there covertly using a false identity, the Israel overtly shelters Klein from serving his ten year prison sentence in Colombia.

    Sheltering a convicted Death Squad trainer. Inexorably twisting the Star of David into a Swastika.

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  7. It's not just the Islamists. All Religions are, in the end, corrupt. The Cherokee recognized this, and did away with its priest/elite class - and pretty much lived happily ever after, until the white Christians came along.

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  8. On its most basic level, religion is just a way that the smart/rich people trick the poor/ignorant people into building them nice houses, and giving them part of their stuff.

    It, inevitably, forms its own government, or forms alliances with the established government (warrior class) to enforce its will by force.

    The old Communists had a lot wrong, but they had religion nailed.

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  9. Egypt

    • A senior leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, said its political wing had decided to support keeping the caretaker prime minister and cabinet appointed by the ruling military council in office for the next six months. In an interview with the New York Times, Essam el-Erian said the party intended to let the caretakers stay on until the military's preferred date for a handover of power, after the new constitution is approved and a president is elected in June.

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  10. The Cherokee may have been living the fat life.
    But, their slaves weren't so happy.

    Cherokee Steamboats on Ohio River

    I sure didn't know that. Will have to ask my wife.

    We Lutherans are all priests. It's the priesthood of all believers.

    Communion, anyone?

    Rufus?

    I can serve it.

    No fee communion for free here. Sincerity test required.

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  11. Of course, the preachers and priests had communism nailed, also. They recognized in the communists the same worthless, corrupt thievery that they, themselves, were composed of.

    In short, they recognized communism for what it was, just another religion - Albeit, one with a slightly different spin.

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  12. Referencing Afghanistan ...

    Only a relatively small amount of the tens of thousands of vehicles can be flown out by air, due to the massive weight of some, such as the as the Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles, or MRAPs, and its all-terrain variety, the M-ATV.

    Afghanistan's neighbor Pakistan has shut down NATO's main transit routes from the port of Karachi in November in response to a NATO aerial attack on a Pakistani border post that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.

    The alliance has been able to ship equipment and supplies in from the north, through Russia and the Central Asian nations. But there is no current agreement allowing the two-way traffic needed to transport it back to Europe via the northern route.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/03/nato-to-pull-30b-worth-gear-from-afghanistan/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1ixXDLbkG

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  13. On its most basic level, religion is just a way that the smart/rich people trick the poor/ignorant people into building them nice houses, and giving them part of their stuff.

    Ah, Rufus :(

    That might apply to Billy Joe Profit, preacher from Mississippi, but hardly is an apt description of religion as a whole.



    The crapper is back to Jew baiting so early, this morning.

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  14. The Cherokee were, as are all people, everywhere, adaptable.


    Genghis Khan (or one of the Khan boys) had, probably, the best line: "God must really hate you to have sent Me."

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  15. BS, name me a religion, anywhere, at any time in history, that couldn't be summed up in that way.

    Take your time.

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  16. But you got the commie part right, Rufus.

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  17. Life is hard, and there are two kinds of people - the fearful, and the dead. Religions, everywhere, are founded to play upon the ignorance, and fears of the general population.

    To explain the unexplainable, and to promise some sort of psychic, or physical protection to the ignorant, tremulous masses.

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  18. Nothing to do with Judaism, boobie.

    Everything to do with political repression of minorities, by ethnicity or creed.

    Along with a government using religion as a propaganda crutch, while shielding international criminals from justice. Based upon the religion of the miscreant.

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  19. The early Christians, who shared their shit in common, before the rot set in. Out here, the old ways of the Nez Perce, before the coming of the white man, and alcohol. The Tibetan budhists. The early Mormons, and to some extent they today, who take care of their own. Want a job? A good first step might be to join the Mormon church, they will try to get you one, albeit maybe minimum wage.

    Ah, fuck, on and on.

    But, you have a point, corporatism in things religious often trends to the worldly.

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  20. To explain the unexplainable


    Ah, Rufus...


    To recognize the unexplainable as just that, the....awful, awe inspiring....mysterious X, that, however, is capable of being experienced as love.

    O,Rufus!

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  21. As for the Islamic world, they caught a lucky break with the oil. But, as it goes away - as in Egypt, Syria, Yemen (you starting to see a pattern, here?) - their power for mischief dries up.

    The Islamists are not to be feared, in the long run, because their religion promotes ignorance over learning, War for Allah (and his priests) over prosperity for the common man.

    In the short run, of course, you have to keep a wary eye on the "Irans" of the world (that does not, of course, mean invasion, occupation, and micro-management, ala the chickenhawks. That way lies idiocy, and ruin.)

    BTW, Iran's oil production is shrinking at about 10%, and accelerating, per year. They're not that many years from being "just another broke-ass ME country."

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  22. The Cherokees may have gotten rid of their priests, but damn, they, being human, didn't want to get rid of their slaves....

    While we Swedes, and the Irish too, were all Princes, everyone.

    :)

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  23. If you have a choice between being a slave, and, being a serf, by all means, be a serf.

    Just took a sleeping pill, couldn't sleep after the magic of Tebow.

    Good morning...

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  24. Magic of Tebow? Bull Shit.

    Magic of that little 1st round draft pick out of Central Florida, that took that short, over the middle, thrown slightly behind him, pass, stiff-armed the first tackler, and then ran 65 yards faster than, virtually, anyone on the planet.

    There lieth the "magic."

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  25. And, the magic of that Offensive Line that kept the no 1 Defense in football off of Tebow's ass all afternoon.

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  26. Mr Rosenberg has his head deeply inserted up his rectum.

    Egypt in the 50's was far less crippled by Islam's enslavement.
    Ask the Christians (Those still living) from Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Lebanon, etc if there has been no revolution.

    Ask those serving in the US Navy if Iran plus our insane rules of engagement present no threat to their lives.

    Any lessons learned in Yemen a decade ago have been buried under rose-colored clouds of false optimism.

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  27. What does Iran imagine they would do for gasoline and other refined petroleum products if the managed to close the straights?

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  28. Iran lifted the subsidies for gasoline quite some time ago, and, as a result, they are either self-sufficient in refining, or are close enough.

    They, also, I believe, have a pipeline that can deliver gasoline from Russia.

    Regimes of that sort can Always last a lot longer during adverse conditions than one would think - ex. Cuba/N. Korea.

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  29. My My...

    another day

    another thread about....

    ISRAEL

    Oh goody...

    And of course a plethora of the rodent's israel hating POV, different day, same shit...

    What is there to say that hasnt been said 1999 times before?

    Nothing.

    The fact is Rat doesnt know shit about the middle east and what shit he does know about? He lies, to excuse Islam's behavior.

    Enjoy the zoo folks....

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  30. We could, of course, blow up their refineries, but the next day there would be videos/pictures all over the world news of children dying in the streets for lack of fuel to keep the food distribution going, etc.

    Then we'll have to invade for "humanitarian" reasons.

    Then, after "breaking it," we'll have to spend another $Trillion "fixing it."

    The odds are very strong that this shit won't end well.

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  31. Iran October gasoline imports up 21%

    SINGAPORE: Iran’s October gasoline imports rose over 21 percent on month even as international sanctions restrict fuel imports into the Islamic republic, shipping data obtained by Reuters showed.


    Imports into Iran have increased to 63,279 barrels per day from 51,986 bpd in September.

    Sanctions have prevented oil majors and big international players from selling fuel to Iran, leaving Tehran struggling to meet its fuel requirements and driving up import costs.

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  32. Amount of GDP spent on defense when Ike warned of the Military Industrial Complex:

    9 Percent.

    Today:

    5 Percent

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  33. Doug, you just made my point w/o realizing it. Those are Very Small Numbers.

    For a country of 78 Million those are very, very small numbers.

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  34. Fug the horror show of the city.

    Greeks Go Back To The Land

    Now, my co-mates and brothers in exile,
    Hath not old custom made this life more sweet
    Than that of painted pomp? Are not these woods
    More free from peril than the envious court?
    Here feel we not the penalty of Adam,
    The seasons’ difference, as the icy fang
    And churlish chiding of the winter’s wind,
    Which when it bites and blows upon my body
    Even till I shrink with cold, I smile, and say
    ’This is no flattery. These are counsellors
    That feelingly persuade me what I am.’
    Sweet are the uses of adversity
    Which, like the toad, ugly and venomous,
    Wears yet a precious jewel in his head;
    And this our life, exempt from public haunt,
    Finds tongues in trees, books in the running brooks,
    Sermons in stones, and good in everything.


    As You Like It
    (II.i.1–17)

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  35. From your link:

    There was no offloading of gasoline cargoes in May through August, the shipping data shows, while in January to April a total of seven cargoes were imported.

    Shipping documents obtained by an Iran-based source familiar with monthly gasoline arrivals at the OPEC member’s port operations did not list the size of the cargoes arriving.

    “As you know some of these operations are not documented and can be done offshore without documentation to be processed with the port,” the Iran-based source said.

    “We have, however, seen the last two months’ frequency of arrivals increasing from earlier in the year.”

    Iran’s gasoline imports have slumped by as much as 95 percent since 2007, as a combination of expanding refining capacity and reduced domestic subsidies for gasoline have helped to balance out sanctions aimed at cutting off Tehran’s fuel supply line, according to the Joint Oil Data Initiative (JODI).

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  36. Sweet are the uses of adversity

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  37. Here feel we not the penalty of Adam,
    The seasons’ difference, as the icy fang
    And churlish chiding of the winter’s wind,
    Which when it bites and blows upon my body
    Even till I shrink with cold, I smile, and say
    ’This is no flattery. These are counsellors
    That feelingly persuade me what I am.’

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  38. Are not these woods
    More free from peril than the envious Detroit?

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  39. And this our life, exempt from public haunt,
    Finds tongues in trees, books in the running brooks,
    Sermons in stones, and good in everything.

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  40. That's what I don't like about "pottery." Happy horseshit, magical thinking for the weak-minded. The first step to "religiosity."

    Some asshole cityslicker goes walking around in the park on day, and starts scribbling about happy stones, and babbling brooks, and boy did I love it when I froze my nuts off.

    boinkers

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  41. Then he gets in his Japanese-made car, drives back to his townhouse made from Canadian lumber, and Mexican brick, takes off his down parka - made in Malaysia, and his Korean fur lined boots, lights his nat gas, imported from Wyoming, fire, pops a bottle of French Bordeaux, fires up a Cuban,

    and write ye olde ode to the "simple" life.

    And, simple-minded hicks eat it up.

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  42. Here's the problem with your "simple" life: You're totally dependent on Natural Resources; and, if you're totally dependent on natural resources, it won't be any time at all before you're in a war to keep, or obtain those natural resources (like we're getting ready to do, and just finished doing, in the Gulf.

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  43. The Cherokee, for instance, were at constant war with surrounding tribes to hang onto their hunting grounds in the southern Blue Ridge Mountains. The Deer skins from there were of a higher quality, and made better clothing, and were more valuable in trade.

    For the Western Indians it was buffalo migratiion routes, and beaver trapping areas.

    For the Japanese it was oil. Samey-same us, today.

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  44. For the Vikings, I assume it was Cereal, and Grapes. I assume that because the first chance they got to conquer and occupy a rich agricultural area (Normandy,) they did just that- putting the old, marauding, hard lifestyle behind them.

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  45. Want a job? A good first step might be to join the Mormon church, they will try to get you one, albeit maybe minimum wage.

    Average personal income in Utah fell 1.6 percent in 2009, while nationally it declined 1.7 percent, according to estimates released Thursday by the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis.

    The state moved to No. 49 from last year's No. 47 in terms of per capita income. Only Mississippi looks worse on paper when you divide income by population.

    (Washington may be a one party blue state, but we are in the top 10 of per-capita income).

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  46. My point, ezzackly. Big, Beautiful Cathedral, built for the rich, and powerful by poor-assed people.

    But, they're going to be "Gods" in the next life. or somethin' like that.

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  47. Keep them 10% tithes coming, suckerettes, and suckers.

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  48. :):)

    heheh

    Ruf, I think it was climate change made my people, - and, your people too, if you are 1/2 Danish - cause there ain't no diff - push on out from Scandia in the first place.

    Ruf, city v country is an olde olde theme in pottery. Latin-Roman potterers were into it deeply - all the horrid and degrading life in Rome and all that. Nothin' but hookers, gambling, and intrigue. What they wrote was -- we want the fuck outta here.

    Our bard takes up the theme.

    Settle down a bit :)

    Drink some fresh warm milk from a cow.

    Say the rosary, and recall, Jesus spent little time in the City, and gave the money bag to Judas to carry, and lived off the women.

    Yours, Nature's Friend

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  49. And Ruf, don you fergit, the potter is a met for G-d sometimes in the Bible, and the poets say, that they are the unacknowledged legislators of mankind.

    Literature rules!

    (and very badly in the case of islam)

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  50. The crops failed, the salmon suffused seas iced up, the women failed to give birth, so they went south. The list is impressive.
    Britain and the British Isles, Ireland, Scotland, Orkney, Shetland, the Hebrides, Isle of Man.
    France, Frisia, the Baltics, Belgium, Germany. Sicily, Italy, as well as Spain and Portugal
    where they fought the Moors and the Arabs.

    Our people, Ruf.

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  51. Potry just gives the queers somethin' to do. Nobody pays it any attention. And, the Bard would most likely take offence to being called a powet. At least, by today's difinition of such.

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  52. My Danish namesake came over a long time ago, Bob. Probly ain't much Dane left in the genes time it got to me.

    Tons of Dutch on my mother's side. Who knows what else.

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  53. English on my mother's maternal side. They got here really early on. Probly more English than anything else. 'cept I dearly hate cloudy, rainy weather. go figure.

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  54. bob said...

    The crapper is back to Jew baiting so early, this morning.

    Mon Jan 09, 06:24:00 AM EST



    Be fair, anonymous bob: anonymous DR does get a lot of help from the anonymous Deuce and the anoxoryds Querk.

    Quirk wrote a whole piece about anonymity without once detecting the delicious irony that he is as "chickenshit" as those he cackled about because he is just as anonymous.

    He is the little wet red hen in a huff. Oh, and he cannot spell the very subject upon which he whines and is too pompous to use spell-check...cackling capon...but hilariously cute...thanks for making my day again,
    Qwak... :-D)))

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  55. The Cherokee part is the only part that I feel any kinship to.

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  56. By far, the most interesting part.

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  57. I got some English, French and German, but all that might be 'smuggled in' Scandia, too.

    On that side, some of my genes were in Virginia in late 1600s or early 1700's.

    If and when we get back east, we have some tracking down to do at courthouses, and cemeteries, in Virginia, where I've never been.

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  58. I knew a woman here who was distantly related to both General Douglas MacArthur and Lizzie Borden, who took axe, and gave her mother 50 whacks.

    Now, there is a heritage to be proud of.

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  59. desert rat said...
    The Second Kristallnacht

    The Israeli government shelters a convicted criminal, Lt Col Klein IDF(ret) a trainer of drug cartel death squads in Colombia.



    Sounds like you except his government did not shelter him from trial.

    So you trained murderers in Central America.

    What is the difference?

    You raped, you pillaged, you disgraced America with nasty barbarian skills...

    And now you stand as judge and jury for all and anyone that you deem worthy of your wrath.

    Rat you remind me of the fictional character in Les Miserables, the Inspector Javert, who cries out "I am from the gutter too"

    Maybe Rat you problem is your actual guilt.

    The people's lives you have destroyed as a "trainer".

    Just how many children cried themselves to sleep since their father will never come home. All because you trained their father's killer....

    Yep you must have nightmares.

    Think of the young brides who will never know the love of their chosen ever again. Just how many KILLS are you responsible for....

    You can argue you JUST DID YOUR JOB by training these killers....

    But in the end the G-d you dont believe in will have his day with your tortured soul.

    Yet it is clear...

    Your obsessions show your guilt.

    We all see it and know it...

    Burn in hell....

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  60. I don't know which side is the "worst."

    :)

    Damned close call.

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  61. Oh...

    Go ahead and tell me to serve chocolate in ohio....

    fucking retard....

    Nice thing is?

    If Rat decides to come to Ohio to stalk me and do me harm?

    This blog has tons of evidence as to his threats.

    Nice thing about Ohio?

    They have a very nice castle doctrine.

    And trust me Rat, you aint invited into my home, business or around me in anyway shape or form.

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  62. Now on to more fun topics...

    I hope the Palestinians take up this technic for freedom.

    Two former Tibetan monks have set themselves on fire in western China, in the latest of several self-immolation protests against Chinese rule, activists have said.

    The Xinhua news agency said a man burned himself to death in a hotel room on Friday. On the same day, a 22-year-old set himself on fire at a crossroads in Aba prefecture, Sichuan, suffering serious burns.

    The London-based Free Tibet group said the men were protesting about the tight Chinese restrictions controlling Tibetan life and culture. At least 14

    At least 14 monks, nuns and former monks are believed to have set themselves on fire in the past year, mostly in traditionally Tibetan areas of Sichuan that have been focal points of opposition to central government control.

    Most of the activists called for Tibetan freedom and the return of their spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, who fled to India amid an abortive uprising against Chinese rule in 1959.

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  63. If all I have to worry about, before God, are my actions, then I have nothing to fear for, at all.

    I do know that there are no "Kills" on my heavenly account.

    Far fewer than Lt Col Klein, IDF(ret), now sheltered from earthly justice by the Israeli government, killed in pursuit of financial gain for the State owned "Israeli Military Industries", manufacturer of the Galil rifle.





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  64. correction for anon. bob...

    ...sorry, bob, I try to give my small EB contributions the attention this site deserves...In the instance, I have failed.

    Note the changes made in my last correspondence to you. Again, I will try to do better in future and follow the lead of real scribbling pros, like Queerk and Dewss.

    "Be fair, anonymous bob: anonkneemoose DR does get a lot of help from the anonamass Dous and the anoxoryds Querk.

    Qwerek wrote a whole piece about anonymittee without once detecting the delicious irony that he is as "chickenshit" as those he cackled about because he is just as anonymoss..."

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  65. Confessions of a Chinese graduate

    When I was a kid, university graduates were as rare as unicorns, now they are more like popcorn: cheap and plentiful. No big surprise, considering there are millions of fresh ones every year to join a large pool of millions of existing ones. All are desperate for white-collar jobs that are not easy to come by in China’s manufacturing economy. The problem of university graduates finding jobs has been debated in the media for at least a decade as a difficult social issue and it never improves.


    My father is a cleaner at a local paper mill. In his mid-fifties without any professional skills, he works for 50 yuan a day. What can 50 yuan buy? Two cups of coffee at this not-too-fancy coffee shop in Beijing where I am typing these words. But if you are a college graduate and want to find a job in my hometown, you can expect to start with an even lower salary than my father. Earlier this year when I went back to my home village, my parents told me that a girl in the village had gone mad. Why? She went to college, where she studied English for four years, and the best job she could get was to peel shrimps with coworkers, who finished middle school and were at least four years younger than her.

    So, a college degree, once a coveted holy grail, a glamorous passport to a fulfilled and secure life, has lost its luster, right? So people are shunning it and pursuing happiness through a different course, right? The fact is that despite the bleak financial prospects and diminishing advantages of being a graduate, the competition to become one has never been any more severe.

    My high school life, which was not so long ago, might give you a small glimpse into the real situation: How too much competition poisons people’s relationships, and how when you feel that the guy sitting beside you is your potential enemy who may rob you of a lifetime of happiness, altruism is not going to be your guide. Students hold to themselves and are reluctant to help others. If you have a math question you cannot crack, you keep it to yourself, because all the students are very proprietary about their learning. To offer your knowledge or even your questions for free is not only time consuming but an aid to your enemies.

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  66. I do not hold Judaism responsible for the crimes and misdeeds of the Israeli government, as I do not conflate the two.

    If the reader does, than it is on him/her to forgive them their trespasses, or not.

    OxOmar may have been holding a grudge against the Israeli mercenaries training the Death Squads for the Los Zetas, in Mexico.

    If he conflated Israel and Judaism, as do many here, well, publishing the credit card information of 6,000 Israeli, arguable as justified in mitigation.

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  67. What is "Occupation" said...
    Oh...

    Go ahead and tell me to serve chocolate in ohio....

    fucking retard....

    Nice thing is?

    If Rat decides to come to Ohio to stalk me and do me harm?

    This blog has tons of evidence as to his threats.

    Nice thing about Ohio?

    They have a very nice castle doctrine.

    And trust me Rat, you aint invited into my home, business or around me in anyway shape or form.

    Mon Jan 09, 10:50:00 AM EST



    WiO,

    You just have to understand that it is you and not your Jewishness that is disliked here. Your people murdered Americans aboard the USS Liberty and threatened the poor survivors with instant death at the hands of the CIA if ever a book or word was publicly exhibited. Because scores of books and interviews (videos as well) have been given by the brave souls, only one survives to this day. Your people must pay.

    Had DR's treachery been directed elsewhere, he would have been banned from this site forever. Had anyone else smeared each and every thread with anti-Semitic-Israeli-Jewish-Zion(ist) offal, that person would have been censored. So, if you are thinking that neo-fascism might have blinded the proprietor, you are certainly mistaken, hundreds of evidentiary threads notwithstanding.

    You are the fault: Got it, Kike?!

    As to any of these boys getting away from the computer and standing up to anyone, face-to-face, you have nothing to fear. As I proved some weeks ago, these ladies are all knees.

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  68. While the "o" drives German made Mercedes and uses an Austrian side arm for family defense.

    Rather than the Israeli made "Jericho" or "Desert Eagle"

    Wonder why he does not put his money where his faith is?

    But wants US to spill blood for those same Israeli he refuses to support, commercially.

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  69. Obviously "o" does not conflate Germany or Austria with Nazis.

    Why should I conflate Israel with Jews?

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  70. desert rat said...
    I do not hold Judaism responsible for the crimes and misdeeds of the Israeli government, as I do not conflate the two.




    Nonsense.

    But we all kow you have a hardon for ALL things Jewish, Zionist and Israeli.

    Cant you just come out of your closet and be honest?

    You trash every DAYS thread with joos here and joos there...

    Here a joo there a joo...

    There is joo behind this company, behind that company..

    Your are one obsessed jew hating fucker...

    that is a fact that 10,000 of your posts have proven.

    To any Joo that meets you here?

    WE all have come to the same conclusion...

    You are an anti-semite.

    Period.

    Now go visit your fellow White hooders and bitch that the Joos dont accept you...

    Nitwit.

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  71. Defend Israel sheltering Lt Col Klein, IDF(ret) from justice.

    Advocate that those that seek justice are anti-Semitic.

    Suits me and the cause of putting US interests first just fine.

    That you conflate Israel and Judaism, makes Judaism responsible for Israeli crimes.

    Not a situation I would promote, nor believe to be true.

    But I'd never dismiss the reality of Israeli crimes, just because the criminals were Jewish.

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  72. desert rat said...
    While the "o" drives German made Mercedes and uses an Austrian side arm for family defense.

    Rather than the Israeli made "Jericho" or "Desert Eagle"

    Wonder why he does not put his money where his faith is?

    But wants US to spill blood for those same Israeli he refuses to support, commercially.





    Notice how Rat does an inventory of supposed "facts" about me?

    Yep I drive a German car(s), you can be happy to know you can add a new BMW and a new Mercedes to the garage too....

    As for sidearms?

    I do like Glocks...

    But then again for home defense?

    My New Haven CT made Mossberg does a nice job...

    And I love my nice Ruger 9mm compact too (American made sparky)

    My other friends named Smith and Wesson? They be American made too...

    And most all of my little friends are American made too...

    As for your issue about money where my mouth is?

    I pay more in USA taxes per year than you suck off the government tit in 5.

    I EMPLOY American citizens and pay workman's comp and taxes on them as well...

    What do you contribute?

    Nothing?

    Unlike you, I actually support my community with deeds and not just words.

    I support the USA in many ways.

    You ride horses that the taxpayer pays for and you receive welfare.

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  73. Drive German, buy Austrian and claim to a "real" American.

    Funny stuff.

    It is not about me, nor is it about you. It is about countries, their interests and behaviors.

    While almost all of the posters here can name a crime or two committed in the name of the United States, there are none greater than the deaths in both Iraq and Vietnam that were caused by government propaganda concerning the "enemy".

    The North Vietnamese never did participate in the actions leading to the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and Saddam was not developing nuclear weapons, tambien.

    Those are realities.
    Readily admitted.

    The realities regarding Israel, denied by you and yours.

    As nefarious a position to present as those that claim there was no holocaust or that Israel was "behind" the raids of 11SEP01, in NYCity and DC.

    Another example of equivalency of actions.

    For years "o" has told US of the War with Islam, but now demands the only non-Islamic regime in Arabia, other than Israel, be replaced by the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Wonder why the Wahhabi Islamoids are now our "friends" their enemy, our enemy?

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  74. DR:
    For years "o" has told US of the War with Islam, but now demands the only non-Islamic regime in Arabia, other than Israel, be replaced by the Muslim Brotherhood.



    Actually Sparky, I have never advocated the replacement of Assad by the Moslem Brotherhood.

    You place loose and fast with the facts.

    Islam has been at war with American since 1783.

    Again you twist the words I say.

    If America USES on branch of Islam against another?

    So be it.

    America has played both sides in many issues and conflicts, that aint anything new...

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  75. desert rat said...
    Drive German, buy Austrian and claim to a "real" American.

    Funny stuff.



    I guess when you buy "chinese" that makes your claim to be a "real" American suspect too.

    Now tell us everything you buy is made in America. Please, that will confirm you are the liar we all KNOW you are...


    wiggle wiggle wiggle...

    go ahead sparky, your turn...

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  76. The point of your buying German and Austrian, rather than US or Israeli, is simple.

    Just as Communism was a religion, so were was NAZIism.

    Yet you do not conflate Germany or Austria with National Socialism.

    Rightfully so.
    Just a righteously, I do not conflate Israel and Judaism.

    Though if Germans had murdered millions of Americans, I would not buy their products.
    The US was just in a major war with Germany, and that was enough to not "Buy German/Austrian" and so I don't.
    Same with regards products manufactured by the Japanese.

    While I don't blame China for the Korean War. Nor, really, the North Vietnamese for that "conflict".

    The Russians were the real "motivator" of those.

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  77. yep sparky can rationize anything...

    wiggle wiggle wiggle

    or let me translate...

    Rat? you are full of shit.

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  78. :)

    Oh hell, WiO, you know the crapper never goes to WAl-MART or HOME DEPOT.

    When he needs a hammer it's always from Joe's Hardware, and clothing, it's Jane's Jeans, there in occupied Phoenix, which will soon be within range of Iranian missiles, that Iran, which cannot project force beyond its own borders.

    heh.

    Actually Sparky, I have never advocated the replacement of Assad by the Moslem Brotherhood.

    I never read where you advocated anything like that, and I read all you posts.

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  79. The crapper is so red, white and blue, he's never been to a Chinese restaurant, nor worn anything not made of textiles from North Carolina.

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  80. If the Muslim Brotherhood is the enemy, why support them in their attempt to topple the sectarian Alawi regime of the Assad's, in Syria.

    The Alawi are not Islamoids, but more akin to Christians, .

    Alawi are actually an independent religion. They do not keep the five pillars of Islam, and they have no mosques but meet in private houses for their religious observances. Their festivals include Persian and Christian holy days. They have a ceremony similar to the Christian mass and believe in a trinitarian manifestation of God.

    The 'Alawis are a tribal people (divided into four main tribes) with a closed society. They see themselves as a persecuted and despised people, who actually are the chosen people of God, the only ones to have seen the light in a world of darkness.

    Their worst enemies were the Sunni majority who opressed and persecuted them cruelly over the centuries because they were labelled as heretics and pagans.
    The stories of their sufferings are transmitted from generation to generation creating a latent hatred for the Sunnis.

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  81. As I said, boobie, if you could read...

    I do not hold China responsible for the Korean War.

    The Vietnam War, was the responsibility of Mr Johnson and McNamara, not the Chinese.

    The US government responsible for the lives lost in Vietnam and Iraq, on both sides. In neither case were the causes of the conflicts, as presented by the Federals, truthful.

    Which is why the calls for conflict with Iran must be "taken with a grain of salt"

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  82. "My name is Vermin Supreme, I'm running of the president of America. I stand for mandatory toothbrushing laws," he said, delivering his on-the-fly stump speech. "I'm a friendly fascist, a tyrant you can trust because I know what is best for you. I am on the ballot here in New Hampshire, and you can vote for me. I am Obama's primary primary challenger. I am challenging him and Ron Paul to a debate and an arm-wrestling match, leg-wrestling match and a panty-wrestling match to decide it all — the presidency of the United States."

    Asked whether he plans to send troops back into Iraq, Mr. Supreme (Mr. Vermin?) said he wants to send troops "everywhere."


    Vermin Supreme

    Ambushes Ron Paul

    Vermin is running for President, and is on the ballot too. Supremo makes as much sense as Paul. He wants to send troops "everywhere" while Paul wants to send troops nowhere, maybe not even have troops at all.

    The two would make a great Pres/Vice Pres combo.

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  83. The Vermin may be our longed for independent candidate.

    It was reported earlier this week that the satirist dropped in on a campaign event for former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, where he asked the social conservative, "Will you marry me, Rick?" adding, "Come out with your hands up and your pants down!"

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  84. .

    Well, well.

    Allen seems to still be miffed because yesterday I went to great lengths to once again prove him to be an ass, this time one with faulty memory and lacking in reading and comprehensions skills.

    However, at least he has clarified one of his more enigmatic posts.

    He is the little wet red hen in a huff. Oh, and he cannot spell the very subject upon which he whines and is too pompous to use spell-check...cackling capon...but hilariously cute...thanks for making my day again,
    Qwak... :-D)))



    Here is the post I was confused about,

    allen said...
    And Quirk,

    Thanks for not using

    “anonymous anonymi”

    “anonimy”

    Sun Jan 08, 02:05:00 AM EST



    Evidently Allen was chastising me for using 'anonymous anonymi' instead of 'anonimy'. Quite petty and childish to begin with, mimicking Trish's fixation with spelling rather than with content. Beyond that, I will have to add spelling to Allen's other deficiencies.

    Anonymous is typically used as an adjective; however, with many authors using the pseudonym and with the expansion of the internet there is a need for a plural version of the 'noun' anonymous. The most common plural I have seen is 'Anonymouses'. My use of "Anonymi" is merely a Latinized version of the plural of anonymous. I thought it was mildly clever to use it and that most here would get it. Evidently, it was a little too subtle for at least one here.

    However, then Allen offers up an alternative, 'anonimy', a word as far as I can tell that has no meaning outside of Germany and Eastern Europe. I could find no meaning for it in the online dictionaries and until shown differently have to once again assume Allen has proved himself to be an ass. Certainly, it is not a word used in common English.

    But that merely ignores the main point, that Allen proved wrong on the facts has to stoop so low as to correct spelling in order to scrounge a few pity points. Sad really. Takes all the fun our of the argumentation process.


    ...Qwak...Queerk...Querk...Qwerek...


    What a child.

    No wonder one has to reduce responses to the Dr. Seuss level so that he can understand.


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  85. Quirk, I urge you to check out Vermin Supreme as a possible third party vote.

    It is true he wants to send US troops "everywhere", but there is a deep pacifistic purpose below the surface.

    He is not a "shallow" thinker.

    They are saying this year, 'we have to get this one right.'

    "Voting is a sacred duty in a democracy"

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  86. .

    As I've said before, the Jews are an intelligent people. Allen is merely the exception that proves the rule.

    .

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  87. Pronunciation

    IPA: [a.noˈnimʲ]

    [edit] Adjective

    anonimi

    masculine plural nominative form of anonim
    masculine plural accusative form of anonim

    [edit] Noun

    anonimi m pl

    Plural form of anonim.



    Noun

    anonimi m

    Plural form of anonimo.


    Anonimo

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  88. .

    Sorry, Bob, if I am going to go with a third party candidate, I want one that will at least provide some positives.

    In addition to helping bring about world peace, I have heard that TM can help you lose weight.

    NLP all the way.

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  89. .

    The last picture under anonimo kind of says it all.

    :)

    I would stand corrected if it wasn't a foreign source.

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  90. It's Romanian, Q.

    While Anoni is modern, fresh and hip ...

    Get the Anoni mobile app and manage all your conversations and private contacts. Choose what you'd like to reveal about yourself on a conversation by conversation basis. Give trust but keep the details of your identity private.

    While Anoni Bios uses Google+

    Anoni Bios
    We Are Anonymous We Are Legion We Do Not Forgive We Do Not Forget, Expect Us


    We wanna be hip, here at the EB, no?

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  91. The Islamic Spring, an intended or unintended consequence of the Neo-con political maneuvers?

    They are getting what they said they wanted, just not when, where or how.

    Funny stuff, to be sure.

    Remember the Holocaust!


    so ....

    Buy German & Austrian!
    I was going to say "They are the only folks selling attack submarines on the open market."

    But ...

    Demilitarized Boats For Sale, Cheap

    Shopping for a unique holiday gift? How about a submarine. There are several Whiskey Class Soviet subs available. Decommissioned in 1991, and built in the 1950s, these boats have sound hulls and are insurable. The price is right; $497,000 (delivery extra).


    Additional details at http://www.projectboats.com/whiskeysub.html. Discounts are available if you buy more than one.

    The Whiskey class boats are basically modified versions of the German Type XXI U-boats. The German subs were 1,600 ton craft, and actually more capable than the 1,100 ton Whiskeys. But that's because the Russians just wanted a good, basic diesel-electric submarine for post World War II use. They got it with the Whiskey, and built 236 of them.

    The Whiskeys offered here are demilitarized (torpedo tubes sealed and torpedo handling gear removed, along with other military equipment.) That leaves a lot of room for entertaining. Normally, a crew of 54 runs a Whiskey class boat, but about half as many would be required for a civilian version. While it is possible to refurbish a Whiskey as a pleasure craft, you would still end up with a boat that provided a rough ride on the surface. Running submerged gets old real quick. Perhaps you could just tie it up at a dock, gut the interior, and turn it into a party room.

    Not much chance of criminals buying one of these for use as a smuggling craft. The Whiskeys are notoriously noisy and easy for warships and anti-submarine aircraft to detect.

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  92. Good photo on this "Sold" Submarine

    This Whiskey Class" Submarine was decommissioned in 1991. This submarine is open to many possibilities, including adventure tourism or active military service. It was rated to a depth of 200 meters or 650 Feet.

    VESSEL IDENTIFIER: PI12

    Price: U.S. $550,000.00

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  93. Seems there are more than a couple "Whiskey Class" subs available.

    This whiskey class submarine is now sold
    but we do have access to more world war 2 submarines for sale

    Engines: 2 37D diesel engines 4,600 hp;
    2 electrical engines 2,500 hp; 2 shafts
    Speed:17 knots surface;
    13.5 knots submerged
    Range: 12-15,000 miles
    Depth: 200 meters;
    Capacity: 56
    Torpedo tubes (533 mm) bow-4, stern-2

    Several "613" class submarines were
    rigged with four cruise missiles

    Decommissioned in 1991

    This submarine has many possible uses, including adventure tourism.

    Price $497,000 US Sold

    We do however have access to another WWII submarine,
    so if you are interested, get in touch with us below.


    http://ships-for-sale.com/submarine_for_sale.htm

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  94. There are also a couple of Dutch boats available.

    This one was on E-Bay Austrailia, but was sold or the listing expired.

    The Otama is a decommissioned Australian RAN Oberon class submarine of 2030 tons displacement surfaced.Apart from the removal of classified communications and sensor equipment, OTAMA is in the same state that the crew left it, an operational Oberon class submarine, with a full outfit of spares and equipment.

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  95. Germany Threatens To Halt Submarine Sale to Israel

    Germany is threatening to stop the delivery of a "Dolphin" submarine to Israel in protest over the country's settlement policies. Government sources confirmed the development when asked by SPIEGEL following speculation last week in the Israeli media that Germany might halt the sale.

    The move is in response to the recent decision by the Israeli government to approve the construction of 1,100 homes in Gilo, an Arab part of Jerusalem captured from Jordan in the 1967 Six Day War. The Israeli government considers the area to be a Jewish suburb, but the international community contests that description.

    The threat by German Chancellor Angela Merkel has been the subject of considerable concern in Israel.

    The nuclear-weapons capable Dolphin submarines are an important part of the Israeli military strategy. The navy already owns three of the submarines and two further vessels are currently being built by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (HDW), the shipbuilding division of German steelmaker Thyssen-Krupp, in Kiel, Germany.

    This summer, the German government approved €135 million ($189 million) in funding to assist Israel with the purchase of a sixth Dolphin submarine over the next four years. Now, however, that deal for the sixth submarine is in jeopardy.

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  96. Reparations for Israel for the Holocaust, but not to US, from England for the Slave Trade or the War of 1812?

    Different Standards applying to Israel than to US?

    Say it is not so!

    In January, SPIEGEL reported on a United States diplomatic cable obtained by WikiLeaks dating back to January 2005 indicating that the partial subsidization of some submarine sales could be a backchannel diplomatic response to demands for Holocaust reparations payments made by Israel at the time.

    An advisor to then-prime minister Ariel Sharon informed the United States Embassy in Tel Aviv of a "five-year plan on Holocaust-era reparations, pensions and restitution."



    Those Germans are sure suckers, to be sure. Easy marks.

    Feeling "Guilty" over something none of them were involved in.

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  97. Dr. Merkel has the balls to raise the cost of building housing in occupied territory, but Obama does nothing.

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  98. The Israeli, just a "cheeky" as Reverend Jackson, to be asking for reparations from folks that had nothing to do with the injustice.

    Along with the repugnant idea that cash paid today would some how "settle" the moral issues of yesteryear.

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  99. You trash every DAYS thread with joos here and joos there...

    Here a joo there a joo..



    Really?

    Is that what you are resulting to now?

    This morning I was reading the first 20 or so comments and thought maybe today would be different. A logical conversation between R II and Bob wasn't too bad. Then DR threw up some comments and in came WiO. I thought why do I waste my time every morning reading such behavior. It's depressing.

    I know. I know. We are programmed to receive.
    You can checkout any time you like,
    But you can never leave!


    Today is my BFF's 5th birthday. When my daughter walked in with a 200.00 remote control car for her, I thought what is she going to do with that piece of equipment.

    It dawned on me why I return day after day. You are no more mature than the five year old I talk to on a daily basis. So when she is not here all I have to do is come to the EB and be surrounded by a bunch of five year old's and not miss her as much.

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  100. Me 'n Ruf, we be da growns here.

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  101. Growns, not groans, growns.

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  102. It seems to me that this islamic spring (a spring backwards)shit correlates maybe with toying with modernism, or more western ways -Turkey, Egypt, Iran - then, when that doesn't provide instantaneous heaven on earth, as in, you know, some decades of it, as if it were ever thought seriously by the west to do so, they search around for an alternative, ending up in the old islamism again. And, this too, has the great temporary attraction of bringing up all the repressed, and, aha! turning it violently in service of the transcendent, making one feel real jolly bout ones self. Perhaps after a few more decades of tormenting one another, they will flip over to more western ways again, if the world still exists.

    That's about as good as I can do today, Melody. It's a depressing subject.

    I'm disappointed you don't like football, for your information, that was one hell of a game, yesterday.

    Ruf, your turn to carry the grown ups ball.

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  103. .

    We wanna be hip, here at the EB, no?


    So you are suggesting I adopt the made up word 'anoni' so I can appear hip?

    I don't know rat. It's been an awful long time since anyone accused me of being hip.

    :)

    .

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  104. .

    It dawned on me why I return day after day. You are no more mature than the five year old I talk to on a daily basis. So when she is not here all I have to do is come to the EB and be surrounded by a bunch of five year old's and not miss her as much.


    We aim to please, Mel.


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  105. Mel this was the 6th post of the tread.

    desert rat said...
    The Second Kristallnacht

    The Israeli government shelters a convicted criminal, Lt Col Klein IDF(ret) a trainer of drug cartel death squads in Colombia.

    Eichmann found shelter in Argentina, lively there covertly using a false identity, the Israel overtly shelters Klein from serving his ten year prison sentence in Colombia.

    Sheltering a convicted Death Squad trainer. Inexorably twisting the Star of David into a Swastika.




    Deuce's 1st word on the thread... Israel

    Posts 2-5?

    Rat's post #2 Islam aint bad
    Rat's post #3 Israel bad
    Rat's post #4 & #5 political stuuf
    Number 6, Israel bad...
    and rat's next post # 9 of the thread Islamists good.

    And you wonder why we post to call out Rat's nonsense?

    Wake up mel.....

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  106. Natural born clerks.

    They can both count, do fractions and percentages.

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  107. The report from Egypt is "Pro Muslim"?

    That the Caretakers installed by the military in Egypt will not be challenged by the Muslim Brotherhood until after the Presidential elections?

    Reality does bother you, doesn't it? Or is it me being correct in the assessment of the goings on, there and elsewhere?

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  108. Other than the address of the Emporium you've told us all the rest.

    I'll keep the location close to the vest. Just to keep Deuce from getting upset. Though it is a matter of public record.

    What with your acting as a tax collector for the Federals, there is a lot publicly accessible information involved with that, aye?

    I didn't even have to contact OxOmar or Anonymous.

    You gave it all up, yourself.

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  109. Then you have the audacity to be rude. Quite foolish behavior, to tell the truth.

    Especially if I'm really the soulless fella you claim.

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  110. Stupid and rude, you will go far.

    ;-)

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  111. desert rat said...
    Other than the address of the Emporium you've told us all the rest.

    I'll keep the location close to the vest. Just to keep Deuce from getting upset. Though it is a matter of public record.


    thanks for the death threat Rat.

    That ought to be enough to get the FBI to investigate your IP address and get you on record for making threats over the net.

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  112. desert rat said...
    Then you have the audacity to be rude. Quite foolish behavior, to tell the truth.

    Especially if I'm really the soulless fella you claim.



    If you are the soul-less prick you claim to be, the US government SHOULD know about you using the net to make terroristic threats.

    If you are just a blow hard and a liar?

    you have nothing to worry from the feds...

    either way, I have been collecting your threats for some time.

    Now where do I send the report to?

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  113. 5. Protect civil rights

    The FBI is the lead agency for investigating violations of federal civil rights laws…and we take that responsibility seriously. Specifically, we aggressively investigate and work to prevent hate crime, color of law abuses, human trafficking, and freedom of access to clinic entrances violations—the four top priorities of our civil rights program. We focus on all of these issues in Phoenix.

    For more information on our overall efforts, see our Civil Rights webpage.

    FBI Phoenix
    Suite 400
    201 East Indianola Avenue
    Phoenix, AZ 85012-2080
    phoenix.fbi.gov
    (602) 279-5511

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  114. Urgent Complaints

    Q: Can I file a complaint if I have been threatened over the Internet via email, chat room, or on a website?

    If you think your life is in danger, please contact your local and/or state police immediately!



    FBI, or if the complaint is Urgent, State Police

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  115. That should be the place to start.

    Hate Crimes and threats...

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  116. The good thing about the internet?

    It's all there.

    Never can be deleted

    Those threats against Bob and myself?

    Still are in google cache

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  117. Here it is -


    111 Main Street
    Lewiston, ID 83501-1889
    Phone: (208) 746-3440
    Fax: (208) 746-2105
    E-mail: Lewiston.SLC@ic.fbi.gov

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  118. Bob,

    the crimes that rat committed in threatening you and I were committed in AZ.

    That is where the complaint should be lodged.

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  119. hmmm, it appears you should call your local police WiO. Keep us informed as to what they say please.

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  120. I know.

    Interesting discussion. BUt, gotta run, I have a meeting at three.

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  121. Bob,

    regardless of whether Rat's crimes rise to the level of "breaking the law" or not, the FBI should be put on notice that an ex-sniper, ex-trainer is making threats.

    That should at least get him noticed by the FBI among others.

    People that make threats over the net should be taken seriously and quite frankly the FBI of AZ is all to familiar with these crackpots.

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  122. Ash said...
    hmmm, it appears you should call your local police WiO. Keep us informed as to what they say please.



    No the AZ FBI is the place to start. Get them on board as to the nature of the comments and get the to locate the IP address of Rat.

    I think they call that a "flag". If he is the ex special forces thug he claims to be? I would not be surprised if he already is on their radar.

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  123. You should record the conversation with the cops and post it so we can all hear what they have to say. It could prove to be entertaining :)

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  124. I do worry Rat make do something violent.

    He seems to have no problem in making threats.

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  125. Here are the regional offices of the FBI

    Phoenix Headquarters City

    201 East Indianola Avenue
    Phoenix, AZ 85012
    Phone: (602) 279-5511
    Fax: ( 602) 650-3204
    E-mail: phoenix@ic.fbi.gov

    Counties and territory: Gila, Maricopa, and Pinal Counties and the Ak-Chin, Ft. McDowell, Gila River, Salt River, San Carlos, and Tonto-Apache Indian Reservations

    Flagstaff

    5900 South Pulliam Drive
    Flagstaff, AZ 86001-9565
    Phone: (928) 774-0631
    Fax: (928) 226-2605

    Counties and territory: Coconino, Navajo (north of I-40), and Yavapai Counties and the Hopi, Navajo (except Apache County), and Yavapai-Prescott Indian Reservations

    Gallup

    208 West Coal Avenue
    Gallup, NM 87305
    Phone: (505) 726-6000
    Fax (505) 726-6031

    Counties and territory: Apache County (north of I-40) and the Navajo Indian Reservation (in Apache County)

    Lake Havasu

    94 Acoma Boulevard South, Suite 202
    Lake Havasu, AZ 86403
    Phone: (928) 854-7150
    Fax (928) 854-7151

    Counties and territory: Mohave County and the Fort Mojave, Havasupai, Hualapai, and Kaibab-Paiute Indian Reservations

    Lakeside

    1360 North Niels Hansen Lane
    Lakeside, AZ 85929
    Phone: (928) 368-8211
    Fax (928) 367-6659

    Counties: Apache (south of I-40) and Navajo (south of I-40) Counties and the White Mountain Apache Indian Reservation

    Sierra Vista

    Haymore Plaza Building
    500 East Fry Boulevard, Suite M-16
    Sierra Vista, AZ 85635
    Phone: (520) 459-2232
    Fax (520) 452-3829

    Counties and territory: Cochise, Greenlee, and Graham Counties (excluding the portion of the San Carlos Indian Reservation that lies within Greenlee County)

    Tucson (headed by an Assistant Special Agent in Charge)

    One South Church Avenue
    Suite 600
    Tucson, AZ 85701
    Phone: 520-623-4306
    Fax: (520) 791-6883

    Counties and territory: Pima and Santa Cruz Counties and the Pascua Yaqui and Tohono O'odham Indian Reservations

    Yuma

    775 East 39th St.
    Yuma, AZ 85364
    Phone (928) 344-3050
    Fax (928) 314-9679

    Counties and territory: La Paz and Yuma Counties and the Colorado River Indian Tribe Reservation


    ANyone know which office is closest to Rat's home?

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  126. Lordy. Lordy. Lordy.

    You don't get it. I'm not the one that needs to wake up. It's not about the subject, for me or anyone else that comes here to read. We just want to read a pleasant thread with diverse opinions.

    I'm sure DR believes what he writes or he wouldn't be writing it. But it is his opinion and he has every right to it as you have to yours. That doesn't make him a lying, Jew hating, anti-semite, I-hate-all-Jews-and-what-they-stand-for-asshole. He posts so often about the same thing because it annoys the fuck out you. Hence making YOU look like the asshole, at least from where I'm sitting. He sits back all calm, cool, and collected while your blood pressure rises so high that my computer gets hot just reading your words. You can rant all you want about the blog, about them, but honestly you don't make them look bad. You make yourself look bad.


    It's a subject that you will never agree on so why keep coming back for more.

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  127. I could always hunt him down for you while I'm in AZ

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  128. MeLoDy said...
    Lordy. Lordy. Lordy.

    You don't get it. I'm not the one that needs to wake up. It's not about the subject, for me or anyone else that comes here to read. We just want to read a pleasant thread with diverse opinions.

    I'm sure DR believes what he writes or he wouldn't be writing it. But it is his opinion and he has every right to it as you have to yours. That doesn't make him a lying, Jew hating, anti-semite, I-hate-all-Jews-and-what-they-stand-for-asshole. He posts so often about the same thing because it annoys the fuck out you. Hence making YOU look like the asshole, at least from where I'm sitting. He sits back all calm, cool, and collected while your blood pressure rises so high that my computer gets hot just reading your words. You can rant all you want about the blog, about them, but honestly you don't make them look bad. You make yourself look bad.


    It's a subject that you will never agree on so why keep coming back for more.




    Thank you mel for your insight.

    However you may try to read his posts for a change.

    Rather than scold others that respond to his hatred, Try aiming your words to him. Or are you scared he will stalk you as well?

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  129. I suggest you stay away from anyone on this blog in real life.

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  130. Especially WiO, he's a tad... unstable.

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  131. Ash said...
    Especially WiO, he's a tad... unstable.


    Thanks ash..

    I dont think I have ever tried to OUT you where you live or work...

    But Rat has....

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  132. Actually DR is the only one on here who I read most.

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  133. MeLoDy said...
    Actually DR is the only one on here who I read most.



    well bully for you!

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  134. I would read what you have to say too but it's the same thing over and over again.

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  135. Niall Ferguson pretty much summed it up on MSNBC months ago concerning the Obama admin. and its Egypt policy.

    EBers do realize a democrat is President? Isn't the current euphemism for Obama admin. Neocon?

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  136. Melody, can you help rat with his google searches?

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  137. Don't worry WiO, he is just as much at fault for this tomfoolery as you are.

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  138. Have fun, I certainly do.

    E-Mail away.
    Post a copy, we'd all love to see it.

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  139. I really don't think DR needs my help.

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  140. Or don't post a copy.

    If the FBI does not have better things to do, I'll sure talk to them.

    Be fun to.

    I'll let you know if they call.
    Doubt they will though.

    There are real criminals, out here.
    It's fast & furious along our border. Drug runners, gun runners, coyotes, biker gangs, and the like.

    I am sure they'll prioritize your fears and put it right on the front burner.

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  141. bob,

    Re: anonoomii etc.

    ...good try...He has no idea what you did...anonoomii, indeed...I can hardly wait his next lecture - perhaps on the use of military "personell"...O, that's right, he already covered military matters and "personnell" under cover of that thread a day or so ago.

    What a maroon!

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  142. The Supremes, not knowing where to turn ...

    ... but turn they must, the clock is ticking.

    ...
    Texas sought approval from the special Washington court, but it has not yet received an answer, though the special court has indicated that it is unlikely to approve at least some of the Legislature’s map. Because there were no approved maps as the first primaries in Texas loomed, the San Antonio court, which was hearing challenges to the Legislature’s maps under a different part of the Voting Rights Act, drew the competing set of maps.

    Officials in Texas asked the Supreme Court to block those judge-drawn maps, saying they did not give enough deference to the Legislature. Paul D. Clement, a lawyer representing Texas, told the justices on Monday that the San Antonio court should have used the legislative map as a starting point while the approval process is pending.

    Justice Sonia Sotomayor said that would turn Section 5 on its head. Justice Antonin Scalia, on the other hand, appeared inclined to allow Texas to use its Legislature’s maps until a court ruled that they were invalid.

    Chief Justice Roberts seemed to say that both of his colleagues had a point.

    “You cannot assume that the Legislature’s plan should be treated as if it were precleared,” he said.

    “But on the other hand,” he went on, the San Antonio court “can’t draw its interim plan assuming that there are going to be these Section 5 violations.”

    The case is a result of a population boom in Texas, which gained more than four million people in the last decade, about 65 percent them Hispanic. The growth entitled the state to four additional Congressional seats.

    Justice Anthony M. Kennedy mused that the procedures created by Section 5, which upend the usual presumption that a duly enacted state law is valid, may no longer make sense.

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  143. If you want to know anything about the mid-east, Melody, you really ought to read WiO instead of the crapper. He is the one here that actually knows a lot about that subject. I always think how he called the events in Egypt. The crapper's views on the mid-east are so skewed by his hope for a dying Israel, which he used to mock as the 'Isreali', and 'the pirates of the Mediteranean', that nothing he says on the subject is at all serious. It's just all mockery and ill will.

    He knows his horses though, and even I, who can't stand the guy, appreciate his talk about horses.

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  144. boobie, go to the 9th post of the thread, it outlines that what I've been saying, for the past year, is still the case.

    Will be until at least June.

    The Egyptian military and their political puppets are still in control.

    What happens in June is still an unknowable. A lot of it depends upon what the US decides to do, next.

    "o" said the Muslim Brotherhood was taking over, they have not, yet.

    As the 9th post of this thread, totally confirms.

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  145. That the secular liberals in Egypt are contemplating a boycott of the next round of elections, not a good thing.

    Wonder who is advising them?

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  146. "o" said the Muslim Brotherhood was taking over, they have not, yet.

    And, they obviously are, and will.

    Won 2/3rds of a fair vote (maybe the last fair one). They are taking over. They have been waiting for this for decades.

    Talk horses, you get a hearing from me.

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  147. The legislature, in Egypt, is powerless, boobie.

    The power is not vested in the legislature, it is vested in the Executive. Or has been.

    It is the Executive and the appointees of the military that are writing the new Constitution, there.

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  148. While I might like to see it, the military is unlikely to war against 2/3 of the folks, these days.

    The MB is wanting a vote on the peace treaty with Israel. My uninformed hunch is, if and when such an issue comes to a vote, the MB view will win.

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  149. Seems to me, the military basically caved, when they agreed to Mubarak's ouster.

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  150. Egypt is right where the Turks were, decades ago.

    Will it migrate towards the "radicals", perhaps, but a lot depends upon the actions the military take, and that will depend upon US.

    That, boobie, is an unknowable.
    Unless Doctor Paul is elected, which is not likely to happen, is it?

    But not all the members of the Muslim Brotherhood are radical.
    If they are, and Egypt takes a truly radical turn,the country will collapse. The tourists will not go there and the US will cut their funding.

    The government will then fall, without financial capabilities to maintain the bread subsidies that are essential to stability, there.

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  151. "Naturally, when Bill told me his plans to go back to [his hometown of] Chicago, I asked him who I thought could fill his shoes," Obama said. "He told me that there was one clear choice and I believe he's right.

    So today I'm pleased to announce that Jack Lew has agreed to serve as my next chief of staff."

    ...

    The shift won't take effect until the end of the month, giving Lew time to work on the fiscal 2013 budget.

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  152. He's dying, boobie.

    He was "going" anyway.
    The Generals not happy with the idea of his son taking over. They found a way to remove him from the line of succession.

    Now, they are still in charge, and will remain there, at least for a while.
    There could be some "power sharing", but not on the "big issues". The Egyptians are not going to attack Israel, but they may support Hamas, more than before.

    But that is of no concern to the security of the US.
    The Suez Canal is.

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  153. Mitt Romney faced a barrage of criticism Sunday from rivals questioning his conservatism, his strength as a candidate and record as a businessman, in an 11th-hour drive to diminish the front-runner's standing before the New Hampshire Republican presidential primary on Tuesday.

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  154. General Motors Co. (GM) and Ford Motor Co. (F) reported record car sales in China last year, outpacing Japanese rivals hurt by production disruptions from the March 11 earthquake and Thailand’s floods.

    ...

    Industrywide deliveries for 2011 may have risen 3 percent to 5 percent, the least in 13 years, according to the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers, which is scheduled to release annual figures this week. Sales growth slowed after the central bank raised borrowing costs to tackle inflation and the government phased out subsidies, rebates and a sales tax break on vehicle purchases.

    ...

    The record China deliveries for the American carmakers add to the best year for U.S. industry auto sales since 2008, when GM and Chrysler Group LLC sought U.S. bailouts. GM, Ford and Chrysler all gained share in 2011, ending the year controlling a combined 47.1 percent of the U.S. market, up from 45.2 percent in 2010, according to Autodata Corp., a Woodcliff Lake, New Jersey-based research company.

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  155. Romney has not said he will release his tax returns. "I have never seen any candidate at a senior level successfully hide their taxes," Gingrich said of Romney.

    ...

    Gingrich said in the end, Romney will simply have to release more information about his business career. "If he ever did get to be the nominee, I somehow don't think that Axelrod and Obama would ask in a calm, pleasant way," Gingrich said.

    "So we'll see."

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  156. But that is of no concern to the security of the US. The Suez Canal is.

    The Suez Canal is of concern to Europe, Russia, and China.

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  157. I never said what specific things DR writes that I like to read.

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  158. A $300 million, 177,000 square-foot museum dedicated to telling the story of the U.S. Army is being built at Fort Belvoir in Virginia, after nearly two centuries of preparation and a yearlong construction delay.

    ...

    "It's great for Fairfax County; it's great for the national capital region. And it's a source of pride for Fort Belvoir in particular," said Don Dees, a spokesman for Fort Belvoir.

    The museum will be free and be open to the public, without the approval and security measures necessary to enter the rest of the fort.

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  159. I'll try to continue the editorial mix, mel.

    Plus reporting on any FBI investigation I am a party to.

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  160. That would be greatly appreciated.

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  161. desert rat said...
    Or don't post a copy.

    If the FBI does not have better things to do, I'll sure talk to them.

    Be fun to.

    I'll let you know if they call.
    Doubt they will though.

    There are real criminals, out here.
    It's fast & furious along our border. Drug runners, gun runners, coyotes, biker gangs, and the like.

    I am sure they'll prioritize your fears and put it right on the front burner.



    You are correct, you may not be on the front burner. But they are notified.

    If you are arrested in Bob's neck of the woods or mine I am sure the email will come to the front of the burner.

    Cant make threats on the internet and expect people to be pushed over.

    You threaten people, that is unacceptable.

    Your hatred of all things Israel, zionist or Jewish aint illegal. It's America, Your threats? Cross a line..

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  162. In a time of budget austerity and cutting, the expenditure of $2.4 billion, for the financing of the museum, frivolous and unnecessary. The Army did just find for over 200 years, without one.

    The cost of the new center, as of March 2009, is expected to be $2.4 billion. ...

    Congressional spendthrifts. If it is at all possible, the project should be cancelled, immediately.

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  163. There was never a threat made.

    No crimes committed.

    You're a "Lost Boy".

    As Eleanor told Franklin ...
    "Sit Down"

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  164. There is no threat to anyone on this blog. There is no threat to free speech on this blog. There are plenty of blogs with zero comments. The most consistent theme is to keep US out of war and my agenda is stay out of the ME and focus on the Americas where the real American interest should be. Every reader should decide for themselves, read it or leave it. like it or hate it, comment or not. I don’t care. I am not into policing thoughts or opinions.

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  165. You want thought police, go to MSNBC

    “However, it’s time for MSNBC to permanently end their relationship with Pat Buchanan and the hateful, outdated ideas he represents. We appreciate this first step and urge MSNBC to take the important final step to ensure that their brand is no longer associated with Buchanan’s history of passing off white supremacy ideology as mainstream political commentary.”

    Buchanan could not be reached immediately for comment on the campaign or any results, but he essentially has been absent from the network since the release of his latest book about America’s heritage and history. And MSNBC President Phil Griffin said recently, “When Pat was on his book tour, because of the content of the book, I didn’t think it should be part of the national dialogue much less part of the dialogue on MSNBC.”

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  166. No agenda here:

    The Anti-Defamation League jumped to join the attack on Buchanan, saying it had “grave concern” over Buchanan’s “anti-Semitic, racist and anti-immigrant views.”

    “It is especially disturbing that he continues to be given a platform to espouse his views at a mainstream network like MSNBC, where he is presented as a knowledgeable and respected analyst. Buchanan continues to show his true colors by espousing hateful, bigoted statements in his new book,” said Abraham Foxman, national director for the ADL.

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  167. And at The Washington Times, Tony Blankley wrote, “Mr. Buchanan … is positively fearless. He is also right.”

    Amazon readers by a 7-1 margin were giving the book high marks.

    The book explains that America today is “rejecting the commitment to a God-given equality of rights for all as inadequate.”

    “Our government is engaged in the manic pursuit of equality of rewards, as it seeks to erect an egalitarian utopia that has never before existed. Less and less do we Americans have in common. More and more do we fight over religion, morality, politics, history, and heroes. And as our nation disintegrates, our government is failing in its fundamental duties, unable to defend our borders, balance our budgets, or win our wars.”

    At the time, an unscientific online poll asking whether respondents thought Buchanan should be allowed on MSNBC to talk about his book drew at 91 percent yes response.

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  168. The Philadelphia Inquirer, “Buchanan is an honest writer who … minces nothing except an occasional opponent.”

    Go Pat Go.

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  169. The most consistent theme is to keep US out of war and my agenda is stay out of the ME and focus on the Americas where the real American interest should be.

    The first George W. said as much in 1798 when he warned against "foreign entanglements". WiO probably thinks he was an anti-Semite.

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  170. Deuce said...
    There is no threat to anyone on this blog.


    Wrong....

    Rat has threatened Bob and I.

    You choose to ignore it? You choice.

    No one is asking Rat to censor his anti-semitic pov. His outing of Bob's personal information and mine?

    Threatening to visit us?

    That aint freedom of opinions..

    That's cyber bullying.

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  171. Teresita said...
    The most consistent theme is to keep US out of war and my agenda is stay out of the ME and focus on the Americas where the real American interest should be.

    The first George W. said as much in 1798 when he warned against "foreign entanglements". WiO probably thinks he was an anti-Semite.


    Dont put words into my mouth.

    I think you are an anti-semite.

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  172. desert rat said...
    There was never a threat made.
    No crimes committed.
    You're a "Lost Boy".
    As Eleanor told Franklin ...
    "Sit Down"


    Go fuck yourself thug.

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  173. Bob outed himself and threatened Mel. I know that because i took down Bob’s comments.

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  174. Deuce said...
    There is no threat to anyone on this blog. There is no threat to free speech on this blog. There are plenty of blogs with zero comments. The most consistent theme is to keep US out of war and my agenda is stay out of the ME and focus on the Americas where the real American interest should be. Every reader should decide for themselves, read it or leave it. like it or hate it, comment or not. I don’t care. I am not into policing thoughts or opinions.



    Nonsense. Otherwise you would have been fair in making Allen, Bob and I as bartenders.

    No you choose what and whom you wish to be representative of the Blog.

    You police thoughts by shaping the argument.

    And you have had to delete Rat's over the line posts several time now.

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  175. Deuce said...
    There is no threat to anyone on this blog.

    Deuce said...
    Bob outed himself and threatened Mel. I know that because i took down Bob’s comments.

    Ok which is it?

    and you did delete Rat's comments.

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  176. Wio, in fact you are hardly vulnerable to bullying. If you had been bullied I would have stopped it. The only bullying that went on here was by Bob. I do not recall you coming to Mel’s defense when Bob was going after her. Ash and Linear Thinker were the only ones that I recall. You were silent. You give as good as you get. You don’t need my help. Where are these threats. Did I miss something?

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  177. Rat posted the information that Bob freely posted previously. I took down DR’s comments and told DR not to do it again, not because of a threat. I respect privacy, yours and everyone else as well.

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  178. Of course I shape the argument, but I don’t restrict the argument. Try that on any of the" constitutional blogs>"

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  179. I should have said there has been no bullying that has gone unanswered. That is how it is and has been.

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  180. Deuce: I should have said there has been no bullying that has gone unanswered. That is how it is and has been.

    An old prospector shuffled into the town of El Indio , Texas , leading a tired old mule. The old man headed straight for the only saloon in town, to clear his parched throat.

    He walked up to the saloon and tied his old mule to the hitch rail. As he stood there, brushing some of the dust from his face and clothes, a young gunslinger stepped out of the saloon with a gun in one hand and a bottle of whiskey in the other.

    The young gunslinger looked at the old man and laughed, saying, "Hey old man, can you dance?"

    The old man looked up at the gunslinger and said, "No son, I don't dance... never really wanted to"

    A crowd had gathered as the gunslinger grinned and said, "Well, you old fool, you're gonna dance now!" and started shooting at the old man's feet.

    The old prospector, not wanting to get a toe blown off, started hopping around like a flea on a hot skillet.

    Everybody standing around was laughing.

    When his last bullet had been fired, the young gunslinger, still laughing, holstered his gun and turned around to go back into the saloon.

    The old man turned to his pack mule, pulled out a double-barreled 12 gauge shotgun and cocked both hammers.

    The loud clicks carried clearly through the desert air. The crowd stopped laughing immediately.

    The young gunslinger heard the sounds too, and he turned around very slowly.

    The silence was deafening. The crowd watched as the young gunman stared at the old timer and the large gaping holes of those twin 12 gauge barrels.

    The barrels of the shotgun never wavered in the old man's hands, as he quietly said. "Son, have you ever kissed a mule's ass?"

    The gunslinger swallowed hard and said, "No sir... but... I've always wanted to"

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  181. There are over 600,000 comments on this blog. You and DR have the highest scores.

    This is not a pro-Israel blog, nor is it pro Italy, Spain, Costa Rica or any other country. If I were to pick a favorite country, I have several to choose from. Canada would be my choice. I have lived there and the people mind their own business. They contribute to our defense, they do not start wars, they are a significant ally far more important to US interests than Israel. They pay their own freight and allowed the US to use their territory to establish hundreds of bases during the cold war and had there been a nuclear war, they would have been destroyed.

    Canada is my favorite ally but not immune to criticism.

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  182. And they'll have more time to campaign. The New Hampshire contest came exactly one week after the Iowa caucuses, but there will be 11 days between New Hampshire and South Carolina's voting on January 21.

    ...

    So this year it appears New Hampshire is more a traditional stop through which the campaign had to run rather than a decisive contest. That comes later.

    "I believe that we're the one that picks the nominee," says South Carolina Republican Party Chairman Chad Connelly. "Whoever wins here, wins the thing."

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  183. It may be a little more challenging to keep the whole strong-January thing going this week. There are only a couple of big earnings reports (Alcoa today, J.P. Morgan on Friday), there's not a ton on the economic calendar in the U.S..

    We have an army of central bankers talking on both sides of the Atlantic, but that can cut both ways.

    That means Europe will get most of the attention, including yet another meeting this morning between Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy. Keep your head on a swivel.

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  184. The gunslinger swallowed hard and said, "No sir... but... I've always wanted to” :-)

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  185. On this day 10 years ago Apple Inc. introduced iTunes, and on this day 4 years ago Apple introduced the iPhone. Feels like it's been longer for both.

    It would also have been Richard M. Nixon's 99th birthday today. He died in 1994 at the age of 81.

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  186. Swiss National Bank Chairman Philipp Hildebrand resigned Monday after emails appeared to undercut his assertion that he knew nothing of a currency trade worth more than $500,000 by his wife last summer.

    ...

    "I have never lied in this story," said Mr. Hildebrand on Monday. "You need to take my word for it."

    ...

    Thomas Jordan, who joined the SNB in 1997 and has been its vice chairman since 2010, will replace Mr. Hildebrand on an interim basis, until the Swiss government elects a new SNB president. Mr. Hildebrand was the senior member of the bank's three-person governing council, and the bank said it will nominate a third member as soon as possible.

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  187. Guess I'll need to burn sage to rid all negative energy that has flooded this bar over the past couple of weeks.

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  188. "burnin' sage"


    I never heard it called that before. :)

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  189. Deuce,

    My most salient complaint, and the only one really worthy of comment as I think about it, is your willingness to allow the disruption of every thread by DR.

    For instance, the other day we were on the verge of some interesting conversation as that related to Colonel Macgregor (a man I suspect is not entirely sympathetic to Israel, but a thoughtful man, nevertheless, and one open to opposing points of view, I gather). What happened? All the potential good was disrupted and destroyed - end of thread.

    WiO and I communicate outside this venue. He is a good man and does the LORD'S work for a profit. Without his efforts, many afflicted people, across all demographics, would be much worse for wear.

    Now, could my good friend be more politic and talk as if he were in synagogue. Yes, I think so. But he is who he is, and I respect that because he tries to defend the good. And by good, neither he nor I mean the "perfect" State of Israel. We are both all too familiar with the shortcomings of our people. What he says in his way and I in mine is that some scumbag, pseudo-Ranger (with the support of his lapsed, accursed Romanish, apostate friends) who spouts neo-NAZI agitprop without the guts to link to it, is going to hear about it. And this is where Quirk comes in, illustratively. He intruded into a conversation with "bullshit" (as I recall) when I observed that Jews are duty bound to struggle against the unfounded attacks of those like DR. Now, I would not be ill-mannered enough to tell a lapsed Polish Roman from a hovel like Detroit what his duty is. He should know that. But what really struck me is the realization that Quirk has never loved anything enough to defend it, much less die for it. He thinks himself a modern Epictetus (without the brain, obviously). Cutting to the chase, Jews have an obligation to defend what is defensible; we will continue to allow lapsed "whatevers" to soil their nests as long as they leave ours intact.

    You do a survey of your blog, as I have started; then, tell me (or better, bet me) who is the primary force of thread destruction, by far, in gross content, Israel content, and word volume. During the past four weeks alone, in terms of volume, DR has grabbed 37.3% of the comments. In terms of word volume, I am willing to bet he has 45-55%. As to anti-Semitic-Jew-Zion-Israel comments, no one, including WiO, even comes close.

    If you want to call me on this one, go for it.

    This is not a threat: One day, DR is going to cost you your site. As you should well know, I am in support of free speech and take a very dim view of anyone messing with mine. But one day, someone is going to stumble across this site and file complaints. Upon review of what you allow to go unremarked, you will be history.

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  190. Okay, Mr Cherokee

    Smudging. Is that a better word for you.

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  191. Deuce,

    Re: If you want to call me on this one, go for it.

    As to anti-Semitic-Jew-Zion-Israel comments, no one, including WiO, even comes close.

    :-)

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  192. I thought you were referring to what we Cherokee call "smoking pot." :)

    Okay, I really didn't, but my mind wheels off in strange directions sometimes. I cain't hep it. :)

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  193. I wouldn't burn pot leaves that would be a waste, right?

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  195. I don't think we need an exorcism. Strong anti-psychotic drugs would seem a better choice.

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  196. Hard to administer over the internet, though.



    Especially to people that probably think they are sane.

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