COLLECTIVE MADNESS


“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Wednesday, December 29, 2010

Their lives as they knew them are over...

Baby boomers near 65 with retirements in jeopardy
CHICAGO (AP) — Through a combination of procrastination and bad timing, many baby boomers are facing a personal finance disaster just as they're hoping to retire. Starting in January, more than 10,000 baby boomers a day will turn 65, a pattern that will continue for the next 19 years.
The boomers, who in their youth revolutionized everything from music to race relations, are set to redefine retirement. But a generation that made its mark in the tumultuous 1960s now faces a crisis as it hits its own mid-60s.
"The situation is extremely serious because baby boomers have not saved very effectively for retirement and are still retiring too early," says Olivia Mitchell, director of the Boettner Center for Pensions and Retirement Research at the University of Pennsylvania.
There are several reasons to be concerned:
— The traditional pension plan is disappearing. In 1980, some 39 percent of private-sector workers had a pension that guaranteed a steady payout during retirement. Today that number stands closer to 15 percent, according to the Employee Benefit Research Institute in Washington, D.C.
— Reliance on stocks in retirement plans is greater than ever; 42 percent of those workers now have 401(k)s. But the past decade has been a lost one for stocks, with the Standard & Poor's 500 index posting total returns of just 4 percent since the beginning of 2000.
— Many retirees banked on their homes as their retirement fund. But the crash in housing prices has slashed almost a third of a typical home's value. Now 22 percent of homeowners, or nearly 11 million people, owe more on their mortgage than their home is worth. Many are boomers.
Michael Vanatta, 61, of Vero Beach, Fla., is paying the price for being a boomer who enjoyed life without saving for the future. He put a daughter through college, but he also spent plenty of money on indulgences like dining out and the latest electronic gadgets.
Vanatta was laid off last January from his $100,000-a-year job as a sales executive for a turf company. And with savings of just $5,000, he's on a budget for the first time. In April, he will start taking Social Security at age 62.
"If I'd been smarter and planned and had the bucks, I'd wait until 70," says Vanatta, who is divorced and rents an apartment. "It's my fault. For years I was making plenty of money and spending plenty of money."
Vanatta is in the majority. Some 51 percent of early boomer households, headed by those ages 55 to 64, face a retirement with lower living standards, according to a 2009 study by the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College.
Too many boomers have ignored or underestimated the worsening outlook for their finances, says Jean Setzfand, director of financial security for AARP, the group that represents Americans over age 50. By far the greatest shortcoming has been a failure to save. The personal savings rate — the amount of disposable income unspent — averaged close to 10 percent in the 1970s and '80s. By late 2007, the rate had sunk to negative 1 percent.
The recession has helped improve the savings rate — it's now back above 5 percent. Yet typical boomers are still woefully short on retirement savings. Even those in their 50s and 60s with a 401(k) for at least six years had an average balance of less than $150,000 at the end of 2009, according to the EBRI.
Signs of coming trouble are visible on several other fronts, too:
— Mortgage Debt. Nearly two in three people age 55 to 64 had a mortgage in 2007, with a median debt of $85,000.
— Social Security. Nearly 3 out of 4 people file to claim Social Security benefits as soon as they're eligible at age 62. That locks them in at a much lower amount than they would get if they waited.
The monthly checks are about 25 percent less if you retire at 62 instead of full retirement age, which is 66 for those born from 1943 to 1954. If you wait until 70, your check can be 75 to 80 percent more than at 62. So, a boomer who claimed a $1,200 monthly benefit in 2008 at age 62 could have received about $2,000 by holding off until 70.
— Medical Costs. Health care expenses are soaring, and the availability of retiree benefits is declining.
"People cannot fathom how much money will be needed to simply cover out-of-pocket medical care costs," says Mitchell of the University of Pennsylvania.
A 55-year-old man with typical drug expenses needs to have about $187,000 just to cover future medical costs. That's if he wants to be 90 percent certain to have enough money to supplement Medicare coverage in retirement, the EBRI said. Because of greater longevity, a 65-year-old woman would need even more to cover her health insurance premiums and out-of-pocket health expenses: an estimated $213,000.
— Employment. Boomers both need and want to work longer than previous generations. But unemployment is near 10 percent, and many have lost their jobs.
The average unemployment period for those 55 and older was 45 weeks in November. That's 12 weeks longer than for younger job-seekers. It's also more than double the 20-week period this group faced at the beginning of the recession in December 2007.
If financial neglect turns out to be many boomers' undoing, challenging circumstances are stymieing others.
Linda Reaves of Silver Spring, Md., never had much opportunity to save as a single mother raising two sons and a daughter. After holding a variety of positions over the years — hotel office manager, research analyst for a mortgage company, hospital mental health counselor — she was still living paycheck to paycheck. Then she was laid off in 2007 at the age of 57.
She entered a training program to learn new skills, but all she has found since is a string of temporary jobs. In her daily quest for clerical or administrative work, she competes against much younger applicants.
Reaves, who turns 60 this month, plans to work until she's at least 70 and then wants to travel, even if she doesn't know where the money will come from.
"I just keep going. I don't really worry about it," she says.
Add this all up, and there's a "slow-burning" retirement crisis for boomers, says Anthony Webb, a research economist at the Center for Retirement Research.
"If you have a crisis where the adverse consequences are immediately clear, then people understand that they have to do something," Webb says. "When the consequences will be felt 20 or 30 years in the future, the temptation is that we kick the can down the road."
As a result, he believes many won't change their behavior.
For less affluent boomers, it won't take that long to feel the pain of poor planning. Concerns about financial trouble will hang over many of those 65th birthday celebrations in 2011.
Many seem to view their plight through rose-colored granny glasses. An AARP survey last month of boomers turning 65 next year found that they worry no more about money than they did at age 60 — before the recession or the collapse of home prices. But in an acknowledgement of reality, 40 percent said they plan to work "until I drop."

56 comments:

  1. Starting in January, more than 10,000 baby boomers a day will turn 65, a pattern that will continue for the next 19 years.

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  2. Somehow I never felt part of the baby boomer generation. I always felt as a third generation farmer. I've never had much of an identity outside that of my extended family and immediate group. Grandfather is just right over there, in my mind.

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  3. this is why I wont sell my business for worthless dollars..

    it's worth more as a cash making machine to me...

    I figure i need to make it work AFTER my 1st stroke...

    I can see me now, shopping cart/walker collecting assorted sundries up and down my warehouse isles...

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  4. Baby boomers are now victims. Perhaps nobama will send them a check.

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  5. When my daughter was little and wanted something I would tell her I didn't have the money. She would say, "Yes you do just write a check."

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  6. Exactly my daughter's attitude to this very day.

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  7. While some are all wound up about planned crimes in Europe, they tend to ignore the real crime that envlopes our own nation.

    By Joseph Farah
    © 2010 WorldNetDaily.com



    WASHINGTON – While the military “quagmire” in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.

    Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.

    Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa.


    Some Muslims plan on committing political violence, in Denmark, and we are told to fear a whirled wide conspiracy.

    Yet over 4,300 deaths are attributed to people in the US, illegally, each year, and we all just yawn.

    A cop is killed every 53 hours, and we are told to just move along, that factoid not part of the Zionist propaganda program.

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  8. But it is much more relevant to the lives of Americans than the political violence caused by immigrants, that is going on in Denmark.

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  9. While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745.

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  10. So, according to Mr King, (R)-Iowa, illegal aliens are responsible for 25 deaths of US citizens every average day.

    More deaths in a single year than in all cumulative violence done by Muslims, in the US, over the past decade.

    Discount the raid by the foreign sponsored Wahhabi on 11SEP01 and the number of deaths caused by Muslims, in the US, drops off the comparison chart, totally.

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  11. While the number of Muslims killed, by the military forces of the "Western Powers" or their proxies, in the past decade total further upward on the comparative scale, well beyond 100,000.

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  12. Over 100,000 Muslims killed by "The West" in the past decade, in the "Clash of Civilization".

    Feeling any safer?

    Yet we're told to fear the blow back to our policies, as if those policies did not contribute to the blow back.

    How's that security through increased force thingy working out, for you.

    Feeling any safer?

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  13. We spent a $ Trillion USD, battling the forces of terror over the past decade.

    Feeling any safer?

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  14. The snow has quit falling, the sky is lighting up, I see a little blue here and there. What this means is that the high pressure is coming in, and what that means is the cold is coming in with it.

    Supposed to be below zero here tonight. Right on the forcasted time.

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  15. There isn't anyone here that likes the idea of illegal aliens running around the country, raising hell.

    How that is relevant to the moslems and their problems vs us I do not really know.

    Seems like two different sets of problems to me, but I don't intend to get into an argument over it, being the holiday season and all.

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  16. The Muslims, bob, do not represent a real threat, to US.

    The Saudi government may, the Pakistani government may, but Muslims, they do not.

    There is no US body count of significance attributable to "the Muslims".

    There are about 4,000 US dead, attributable to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, but we have forgiven both those State Sponsors of Terror.

    Had forgiven the Sauds within two days of the 11SEP01 raid. When the Family Osama was allowed to escape the United States, prior to being interviewed by the FBI.

    The only civilian plane in the air, of 13SEP01, the Saudi jet taking the Family Osama back to Arabia.

    The Pakistani, given $12 Billion USD, since the raid.

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  17. We are making war on Muslims, not them on US.

    There are US Armies in the Islamic Arc, there is no Islamic Army anywhere in Christiandom.

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  18. By the same token, the US empowers Muslims in the Islamic Arc.

    We have provided the Turks with nuclear warheads.

    We have established two Islamic Republics and continue to run a huge balance of payments deficit with the Saudis and other Wahhabi in Arabia.

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  19. Boxing trainer Joe Diaz has been calling for Mary Rose Wilcox to step down as Maricopa County Supervisor, since learning she used her position as boxing commission chair and as county supervisor to protect the criminal activity of Top Rank Boxing promotion’s Arizona front man Peter McKinn at Diaz’s expense.

    Diaz’s life was turned upside down beginning in 2004 when McKinn bounced a $5,000 check to one of Diaz’s fighters, Luis Ramon “Yori Boy” Campas.

    ...

    Long time Boxing Director John Montano, under whose watch illegal aliens and violent criminals were issued licenses, was asked to retire in April 2009 by Department of Racing (the umbrella agency for the boxing commission) Director Luis Marquez, who asked the commission to allow Montano to volunteer as chief inspector and have authority at sanctioned events, which was approved by the commission.


    Criminal Activity

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  20. Speaking of boxing, a 'sport' I don't much like, did I mention "The Fighter" was a heck of a good movie?

    Happy endings all around (except of course for the guy that lost the title fight).

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  21. Thanks, Bob. Guess I don't need to see it now.

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  22. rat has won: I am SOOOOO ashamed to be an American.

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  23. Go to that one Sam. I know I'm right about it because my wife liked it a lot too.

    I really didn't give away much, you know the guy is going to be champ.

    Based, as they say, on real life.

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  24. 25 degrees and falling rapidly....streets no longer slick....got that cold sticky feel....

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  26. My daughter just walked in with a bag of purchases from Urban Outfitters. Two of those items were fedoras.

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  27. O Lord now it starts.

    I'm leaving for a few days.

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  28. It's a shame you have to put it in the comment section first.


    you should have just used this site

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  29. .

    Melody, you continue to toy with me.

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  30. Quirk, you continue to do things the hard way.


    Are you having trouble pasting it into the comments

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    No.

    I have the EB pulled up on two screens.

    There's a lot here.

    I'm checking out the links right now and correcting those that don't work. I just happened to plug that one in the wrong EB link by mistake.

    :)

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  32. Mr Lee said earlier this month that an unstoppable change was taking place among the North's population and the South needed to get ready for reunification now, according to South Korean newspaper Joongang Daily.

    The government aims to complete plans in the first half of next year on how South Korea could fund reunification, Unification Minister Hyun In-taek said in October. "As the future of North Korea is becoming increasingly unpredictable, such preparation is necessary," said Park Joon-young, professor of international relations at Ewha Women's University.

    "Steering North Korean residents toward that goal is the thing that North Korea hates the most."


    North Korea

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    Mel, you minx.

    If not for you I would be done now.


    (Well the Red Wing game isn't helping either.)

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  34. No one said you had to keep checking in.

    I could just compact that picture down to size and use it as my avatar.

    But then Whit would think I was a bad girl. Bob would go ape shit with crazy poetry, no pun intended, and Deuce would get annoyed.

    Sounds like a plan, eh?

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  35. AN eight-year-old boy is fighting for life after suffering extreme burns when he fell into a geothermal pool in the New Zealand city of Rotorua.

    ...

    All the pools in the park are fenced off and have warning signs. A council spokesman said how the boy fell into the pool was still under investigation.

    Rotorua's hot pools have claimed several victims over the years, most recently in August last year when a 61-year-old man was found dead in a privately-owned pool.


    New Zealand

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  36. So, Sam how was your trip? I know I asked but I didn't read you response.

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  37. Quirk, you do know that today is your deadline. And I'm getting tired.

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  38. Yeah, good. Thanks, Mel.

    Caught the biggest squid I've ever caught off the pier there at Marion Bay. The length of his head probably about 12".

    Paddled 2 days. 1st day and 3rd day. Beached the kayak and did some beach combing.

    Wind came up the 2nd day so we went for a drive and checked out different areas on the Yorke Peninsula. Stopped at a couple pubs. Talked with the locals.

    Stopped at a guys little backyard seafood outlet operation on the way home and bought $100 of a variety of things.

    Great time. 102' in Adelaide today.

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  39. Maybe Adelaide is where I need to be right now.


    I'm glad you had a good time.

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    Blogger kicked me out similar to what it did to Rufus.

    I had to go back in with a new e-mail address. I'm surprised it gave me the same screen name back.

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  43. allen certainly shames easily.

    A fair weather patriot, it seems.

    Or no patriot, at all, if the reality of US policies bring him such shame, that he publicly admits to it.

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  44. allen does not like the lessons learned, of the past decade, as they do not correspond, correctly, to the Zionist story line they have so meticulously prepared.

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    Sounds like a plan, eh?

    As far as I'm concerned you could crop the photo quite a bit. The whole picture looks great but there is just something about that ass that is mesmerizing.


    WiO said he didn't like the tattoo.
    I said what tattoo?

    (Actually, I don't really care for body art either but I have to admit the coloring on that one is pretty sharp.)

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  46. .

    Quirk, you do know that today is your deadline. And I'm getting tired.

    Go to bed Mel.

    At this point, December 29, December 30, what difference does it make?

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  47. Kurt Westergaard, the artist who drew the most contentious of 12 cartoons, said the foiled plot was "a direct attack on democracy and freedom of press".

    "We may not and won't let anyone forbid us to criticise radical Islamism. We may not be intimidated when it comes to our values," Westergaard told the German tabloid Bild.

    Saepo spokeswoman Katarina Sevcik said they had for the moment found no connection between the suspects arrested on Wednesday and the December 11 bombing in which an Islamist militant blew himself up in Sweden's first suicide attack.


    Terror Plot

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  49. It's odd, but I'll be damned if I can remember any tattoos on your arms, Melody.

    But perhaps I am wrong?

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  50. Very impressive comments,'Rat:

    A POV I was selling for years, to so little effect that I quit.
    Maybe the masses will not recognise the problem until the warfare north of the border becomes indistinguishable from that south of said border.

    Couldn't it just as easily be said to be the Presbyterian Propaganda line?
    No greater enabler than the Compassionate Christian Conservative...

    "Honest" George W

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  51. 2019.12.11Googel搜尋找到可以信賴的酒店經紀人後,接下來就是約時間當面聊,把妳的需求告訴酒店經紀人,也讓酒店經紀人看看妳的條件適合哪種店家。同時也會依照小姐的不同條件列出10來家酒店名單最後由您自己選擇喜歡理想的酒店工作環境。
    酒店上班的種類很多,光大台北地區分為東區、中山區兩大區塊就有分類便服店、禮服店、制服店、鋼琴酒吧、日式酒店、飯局、傳播。洋洋灑灑加總就30幾家酒店每種類型酒店所需要小姐的條件也不同,於是酒店小姐這份工作是競爭的。八大行業酒店小姐成績不理想也是會被裁員的(如:酒店小姐上班收入比白天工作薪資還少…就是酒店業者裁員的對象)。
    1: 酒店打工小姐們如何判斷自己適合在什麼的店呢?誠懇面對自己外型條件吧(外表是可以調整的)這行是以外型取勝!(當然沒有人願意犧牲啊),任何一份工作都有它辛苦的面何況高收入的八大行業。
    2: 酒店兼差一週可以上幾天班? 能配合哪個時間打卡上班? 是否有門禁問題?
    3: 酒店工作和白天工作一樣!目標是一樣的就是【賺錢】都是要花固定的時間來上班(如:服裝、髮妝、談吐、氣質)把最好的展現出來。上班天數多寡,當然取決於妳的收入。
    4: 選擇酒店經紀很重要,小姐放在對的酒店一天酒店兼職可以賺個$5000~$8000不是問題。如果酒店小姐收入不如預期,而店裡生意也不差,妳就要思考是否繼續這份競爭力的環境!應該考慮換店或換跑道,(別等店家開口要妳離職)。
    2020不怕找不到酒店經紀 大數據Google搜尋:梁曉尊/梁小尊
    不擔心拿低薪 高水平 高標準 公開 透明 亞洲地區Google認證

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  52. 2020.05.16酒店小姐的基本介紹跟工作內容如果妳沒有接觸過酒店這八大行業,【酒店經紀梁曉尊】我在酒店上班的日子相信包括妳在內,很多人對這行業的第一個想法一定是:「酒店裡面酒店小姐一定有S?一定是龍蛇混雜,裡面 八大行業是哪八種行業呢?的人都是黑社會吸毒!打架、暴力脅迫女生陪睡…」等等電視上看來的畫面。
    其實這跟【酒店經紀梁曉尊】所接觸的職場須知 【酒店PT 】酒店的實際情況有很大的出入。梁曉尊在酒店這行業已經有多年的經驗,到是從來沒有在如此黑暗的酒店工作過,或許妳聽人說到「酒店打工的小姐,如果客人看上了酒店小姐想帶小姐出去,公司就一定會強迫小姐出場!」而事實上就算是十幾年前的老酒店業也很少有這個情況更不用說當今Google資訊如此發達的年代,而且酒店小姐的來源幾乎掌控在酒店經紀人的情況下,如果有酒店以如此方法對小姐施以逼嚇之手段,一定會讓酒店經紀人對這家店嗤之以鼻,為了保護旗下小姐,沒有人會帶經紀小姐去那種店上班,酒店當然不會笨到為了一個小姐出場強迫小姐做她不想做的事而導致店方得罪酒店經紀人,沒有經紀人要帶小姐來這家酒店,導致這家酒店沒小姐來吸引客人,沒客人的結果就是關門大吉!
    所以酒店小姐出場的方式皆是小姐的個人意願,客人想要帶小姐出場時,訪檯幹部都會問清楚客人要帶小姐去哪裡並告知小姐,只要小姐不想跟客人出去,酒店沒人能逼妳!有些酒店規定小姐出場只需陪客人到客人想去的地方,也不可能要求小姐跟客人出去就一定要S。
    當然也會有小姐因為想賺取更多的收入,而跟客人私下交易自已接S,這就屬於小姐個人行為了。所以酒店小姐到酒店上班出場接S完全屬於小姐個人之行為,不必擔心說到酒店上班就一定要出場或接S的。
    畢竟酒店是酒店,客人來酒店消費是要談生意、應酬、好友聚會高興一下!要的是喝酒微醺後忘記煩惱的感覺,如果他只是想解決生理問題,說真的大陸妹還比較便宜呢!!
    如果妳要來酒店上班,梁曉尊是建議妳是要思考三點:
    1.妳心理準備好到酒店上班了嗎?很多人誤信(也可能是自己騙自己帶著僥倖心態)網路/報紙上店家或酒店經紀人所刊登的廣告說:「免喝酒輕鬆月入數十萬…」。而事實上天底下沒有這麼好的事,如果真的免喝酒,輕輕鬆鬆就可以月入幾十萬,那我想要來酒店上班可能要抽籤決定妳有沒有這個福氣呢!!酒店經紀人也不用為了酒店一直缺小姐而努力應徵小姐的。再來是要說明一點,酒店雖說沒有這麼複雜,但是畢竟是客人來尋歡的地方,很多男人抱著花錢是大爺的心態竭盡所能在言語上汙辱妳、毛手毛腳,以灌妳喝酒為樂的客人也大有人在,這些都是酒店小姐工作上所需面對的,妳心理上做好準備了嗎?
    2.有沒有找到真正專業又正派的酒店經紀人?雖然酒店這行已經透明化,不會讓妳上班時感覺像是被賣掉一樣,但是網路/報紙上偶爾還是出現有不肖酒店經紀人用毒品、放高利貸等等方式來控制小姐的新聞事件發生!所以妳有沒有找到一位正派的酒店經紀人是妳要入這行的一個重要起步!再來就是妳找的酒店經紀人有沒有足夠的酒店經驗及專業知識或者可以透過Google搜尋經紀人名稱是否有相關事業,這是妳尋找酒店經紀人有沒有能力幫妳處理事情的關鍵所在!如果妳的經紀人只會帶妳上下班、送飲料、幫妳領檯費,其它的一問三不知,就算是他人再好,我們還是要為了自己早日賺到錢脫離這行來著想,所以趕快換個經紀人吧!
    3.了解自己適合哪種性質的酒店!基本上酒店可分為禮服店、便服店、制服店三種,其中的禮服跟便服都是不脫的,制服店才有在脫衣服跟秀舞。如果妳的條件不適合便服店就不要去制服店;明明是適合上便服店的條件,就不要硬要去制服店上班。
    好好跟妳的酒店經紀人溝通,雖然便服店的尺度小,但是對於外貌身材是有一定的要求;而制服店雖然賺得比較多,但是妳也要尺度有到那。了解自己,明白酒店性質,跟酒店經紀人好好聊一下,妳才可以在酒店工作的這段時間裡如魚得水!。

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  53. 台中市一家酒店經紀傳播公司的趙姓經紀人,因市場競爭激烈竟下猛藥,遊說4名未成年少女當傳播妹,其中兩人只有13歲,並媒介到俗稱「三百暢飲」的KTV酒店坐檯陪酒,直到其中一名被通報失蹤人口的13歲少女被警方尋獲,全案因此曝光,連同酒店經紀趙男也被揪出送辦,案經法官審理後,判坦承犯行的趙男4個月徒刑,得易科罰金。台中市特種行業酒店經紀競爭激烈,十多年前有業者打出喝酒收人頭費300元、無限暢飲噱頭,三百暢飲酒店就此打響名號,一時間如雨後春筍般興起,尤其是該類型酒店更以敢玩敢脫吸引酒客著稱,這些年來也形成一套完整的情色文化,且衍生出不少「膾炙人口」的色情術語。根據判決指出,台中市一家酒店經紀傳播公司的趙姓及陳姓經紀人,為迎合部分酒客喜歡「幼齒」的心態,明知該4名未成年少女其中2人年僅13歲,另2人分別為15歲、17歲,仍於2020年6月間,安排她們前往台中市一家俗稱「三百暢飲酒店」的KTV坐檯陪酒。期間因其中一名13歲少女逃家失聯,被家人通報為失蹤協尋人口,直到警方找到她雖撤銷協尋,卻意外得知她這段時間都在坐檯陪酒,且還有其他相同遭遇的少女報請檢方指揮偵辦,經前往酒店及宿舍搜索救出另3名少女,並將趙男、陳男、KTV廖姓負責人及李姓會計等4人帶回偵訊後送辦。而全案也經檢方依違反《兒童及少年性剝削防制條例》意圖營利而媒介使少年坐檯陪酒罪起訴,而趙男對犯行坦承不諱,法官審理後依意圖營利而媒介使少年坐檯陪酒罪判他4個月徒刑,得易科罰金12萬元,另沒收不法所得,全案可上訴,另3名被告則另案審理。

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