“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Thursday, September 08, 2011

The Israeli Assault on the USS Liberty

Blogger allen said...

When clowns actually read, say, 1/2 the data compiled by honorable military memebers numbering in the hundreds, they may have some right to question the results. Simply holding one's breath until one turns blue is not rational debate and it is not considered. Grow up

Israel 13

Nutters 0

Who are you going to believe, Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, Israeli politicians or American servicemen who were on the ship? Watch and You Decide.


  1. After a three-month voyage of 8,000 miles from Galveston, Texas sailor Larry Toenjes, his one-person crew and his 37-foot sailboat, the S/V (sailing vessel) Liberty arrived September 7, 2011 at 3pm local time, at the spot off the Egyptian coast that is the site of the June 7, 1967 Israeli attack on the US Naval vessel, the USS Liberty. The deliberate Israeli attack killed 34 US Navy sailors and wounded 174.


    Since he arrived in the Mediterranean Sea over a month ago, Toenjes has been in communication with Commander Robert Palm, the Naval Attaché at the US Embassy in Tel Aviv, Israel, about his concern that Israeli Navy commandos would attack him as they had attacked other vessels in international waters.


    As Toenjes arrived off the coast of Egypt, in a September 7, 2011 email, Commander Palm wrote Toenjes ...

    "We have no indication that the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) would harass your vessel, based on your reported route to the point of interest and then onto El Arish.

  2. Can I buy a vowel for a hundred, Pat?

  3. According to ongoing polling by the Israel Project, based in Washington, D.C., and credited with a high degree of professionalism, rank-and-file support for Israel has actually grown over the years despite the anger of administrations over Israel’s settlement policies. This could be attributed to 9/11, American horror over the way the Taliban treat women and one another, Jihadist terror, Saudi funding for al-Qaeda, being held hostage to Arab oil and OPEC’s prices, the duplicity of Pakistan, and many other negative examples.

    But as the data show, there is also a healthy respect for Israel that goes way deeper than problems with Islam, support that derives from positive reasons rather than fear and bigotry, which ultimately makes for a healthier relationship.

    At the heart of it all, however, is the American Jewish community, without whose active involvement on Israel’s behalf the strategic relationship between the two countries would be vastly different.

  4. I want the sabbath to come a couple days early this week.


  5. NO NO NO

    I'm going to bed, but thanks anyway, Sam.


  6. Johnson was a Madman. They all were in those days.

    I guess the plan was to blame it on the Egyptians.

  7. They should have hung Johnson, and McNamara, side by side.

    I'll always believe that Johnson had a hand in killing Kennedy.

  8. .


    When clowns actually read, say, 1/2 the data compiled by honorable military memebers numbering in the hundreds, they may have some right to question the results.

    You simpering hypocrite, like some pretentious parson with a stick up his ass muttering false pietisms about the hard work of a bunch of guys pulling reports together.

    What about the hundreds of "honorable military" dead and injured on the Liberty?


  9. .

    Grow up

    You are hilarious.

    You were asked to leave the blog some time ago Allen. The fact that you lacked the grace to do so surprises no one here. You have always been that guy who was threatening to leave but could never quite bring himself to do so.

    In our last go round on the Liberty you accused me of being anti-semitic and a dukoid. I accused you of being a race baiter and asked for examples of my anti-semitism. You never got around to giving me an answer.

    Since then, you and I haven't had much direct conversation if any. It's worked out pretty good and saved one or more arguments on the blog.

    However, in the past few months, you refuse to let the Liberty incident drop. Unprovoked you have brought it up a number of times with today merely being the most recent. I have ignored it in the past but got a little fed up with it today.

    Today, I have attacked the two issues you continually bring up, the flawed and in some cases non-existent "13 investigations" and the garbage dump of documents in 2007.

    Grow up?

    Perhaps, you should take your own advice and stop believing in fairy tales.

    13 X 0 = 0

    Garbage In/Garbage Out


  10. .

    Allen, the last time we discussed the Liberty, you accused me of being anti-semitic and a dukoid. At the time, I asked you for examples that show I am either or both. Actually, I never considered myself either. As a matter of fact, I have a general impression of Jews as being hard working and intelligent. On the other hand, it is a fact that I consider you to be the exception that proves that rule.

    I can honestly say that you are the only person I know who ever visited a David Duke website. While I don't feel I am anti-semitic perhaps I'm mistaken. I am still waiting for examples that prove to you I am an anti-semite. I'm a little old to change but I would still like to see the thought process by which you come to that conclusion.

    And please don't give me the Justice Potter approach of I know one when I see one, kind of like the 'feeling' you got that one of us here is a child molester.

    You have been accused of being pompous (the illeism used a couple streams back was the first I'd seen since Bob Dole was lampooned for its use on SNL), a hypocrite, and a slanderer. I have accused you of being a race-baiter.

    Lest there be any question of what that means:

    Urban Dictionary:

    Race-Baiter: One who insinuates that racism or bigotry is a dominant factor with regards to an event that either does not involve race or in which diverse cultures are involved and in which race is simply a minor element.

    At one time or another you have indicated that at least rat, Rufus, Ash, and myself are anti-semites. On numerous occasions you have insinuated that the rest of the bar contributes to the anti-semitism by being, at a minimum, enablers. The others can challenge you, or not, on their own.

    However, I am now asking for those examples.


  11. I stopped in to a Maccas outside Sydney.

    When I walked in, the girl serving me was wearing a burqah.

    As I got closer I noticed it was quite dirty and tattered and a bit smelly.

    It actually put me off so I walked out and went across the road to Hungry Jacks.

    I lined up again and there was another girl wearing a burqah. I was happy to see that it was clean and it actually was nicely decorated with beads and sequins.
    That's when I realised - the burqah's are Better at Hungry Jacks!

  12. I looked at the complete series for the first time after Allen's taunt. It does not look like 13 to 0 to me.

    Nothing that moral cretin Robert McNamara did would surprise me. In 1967 the real killing in Viet Nam was cranking up. It was obvious to any GI that was there, talked to anyone was there or had the mental capability to read between the lines of "The Stars and Stripes" knew we were being lied to. McNamara, that skunk knew he was getting Americans killed for a mistake by the thousands. He did it because of politics. What did it matter to add another three dozen to his toll?

    The story on the USS Liberty is so toxic, so avoided by the media, it has cover-up written all over it. It is a sad commentary that American politicians are fearful of examine a US military disaster because they are so beholden to a powerful foreign lobby. Let the facts speak for themselves

  13. hominem is not rational debate as any educated man knows... as to childish mundane hypocrisy, I will leave that to experts on wolf hunting and urban plight.

    "You simpering hypocrite, like some pretentious parson with a stick up his ass muttering false pietisms about the hard work of a bunch of guys pulling reports together."

    And this does what? Try READING some of the thousands of pages of EVIDENCE. Opinions are like hypocrites for goodness sake.

    Some would have every American military officer and seaman complicit in a cover-up, forgetting the old adage, "The only way three men can keep a secret is if two of them are dead." Moreover, it is disgusting, mean and traitorous to allow one's bigotry to brand a vast number of men and women servign their country as vermin. Personally, projection comes to mind.

    Re: Johnson

    Some recently recovered documents show that Johnson's great-grandmother, grandmother and mother were Jews by genetics. That makes Johnson a Jew by ancient law.

  14. Deuce,

    During the past several years on two occasions I spent a great deal of time linking to the mountain of publically available reports. No one hear bothered to read them, before piously passing judgment on them and me. I will not trouble myself again.

    As to a cover-up, we lived during that time of cover-ups. The question remains, what was being covered up? Was, as WiO would have it, a cover-up of an American spy agency gone mad (say running heroin out of the Golden Triangle aboard Air America); or was it something else? I don't know. What I do know is that, whereas one here has reduced our service men and women to mere paper pushers, that is a moronic, unpatriotic insult meant to change the subject and give vent to visceral hostility of an ancient type. Just as the idiotic accusation that Pat Tillman was murdered, this is another instance of attacking America without having the courage to put your real name on the letter to the editor...dastardly and cowardly (and that is not meant for you).

    The United States (various departments of the executive and Congressional committees) have found Israel innocent of MALICE on ten occasions. Three Israeli investigations have exonerated Israel of MALICE. No one denies that a tragedy occured or minimizes the suffering of those harmed. What is not supported by a shred of evidence is MALICE.

    For my part, I think the issue of the probable destruction of Western commercial craft on land, in the air and on the sea by "stinger" type missiles is far more important and has the potential to shutdown traffic in the West.

  15. NSA and the USS Liberty (2007)

    Even for our own world-class speed reader, the amount of material here, alone, should keep him silent for days. Of course, it won’t and that comes as no surprise. I will give him 15 minutes :-)

  16. As to a cover-up, we lived during that time of cover-ups. The question remains, what was being covered up?

    1. That the US had discovered through SIGINT that Israel was going to open another front against Syria despite the cease-fire.

    2. That thirty-four Americans aboard the ship were expendable.

    3. That Israel knew they were attacking a US Navy vessel flying a large Stars and Stripes, after reconnoitering the area for six hours.

    4. That the attack involved machine-gunning lifeboats, making it AGGRAVATED murder.

  17. Why it took only five minutes to bring the first bull out of the chute; and I thought it would take at least fifteen minutes of knucle biting before pushing "send". Man! I wish I could read that fast. What a brain! Why, we have regular "Charley" on our hands.

  18. I think it is quite likely that Johnson, and McNamara were Complicit from the start. I think they meant to kill All the Americans on that ship.

    Someone in the Military Chain of Command probably reached his breaking point, and "pulled the plug" before they could accomplish their goal.

    The Crew's Herculean, and incredibly brave, and competent actions bought them enough time to save their lives.

    Everyone wanted the Suez Canal back then. I imagine that played into it.

  19. It could have been the unexpected arrival of the NSA plane, identifying the attackers as Israeli, that was the game changer.

  20. I think it is quite likely that Johnson, and McNamara were Complicit from the start. I think they meant to kill All the Americans on that ship.

    Turkey knows that there will be 13 investigations and Israel still won't apologize for their attack on their six ships in the Gaza Freedom Flotilla, so they have proceeded directly to what the US should have done in the wake of the Liberty attack: expelled the Israeli ambassador and canceled billions of dollars worth of defense contracts.

  21. hominem is not rational debate as any educated man knows... as to childish mundane hypocrisy, I will leave that to experts on wolf hunting and urban plight.

    Why use it then?

    "You simpering hypocrite"

    Simpering hypocrite is a good turn of phrase.


    (I never knew I was an expert on urban blight - my hunch is there's not much that can be done about it. Wolves though, I have the answer for - poison. Least I got the answer to something.)

  22. Here's Some Stuff By and About Moshe Dayan, Make Of It What You Will

    Always liked that guy and have read many of the women did, too.

    I didn't know the Golan was good farmland. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I'd have to take a look at it, which I'm never going to do.


  23. Farming The Golan Area

    I'd say it isn't worth a shit mostly, but look what Jewish spunk and irrigation have done to it.

    Reminds me of Doug's picture from space of north and south Korea.


  24. Farming The Wind In The Golan Heights

    I did notice in the earlier picture lines of some kind of trees probably planted for windbreaks.


  25. I do not think the examination of the Liberty should start anywhere else except in Washington DC. Israel is a side show. We had carriers armed to the teeth. If the admiral in charge had any balls, he would have shot down every Israeli fighter and claimed he thought that there were Syrians attacking.

    Any sailor worth a shit should have fragged the admiral for not coming to the aid of the Liberty.

  26. To any clown reading this blog, I am so sorry. The same holds true for any moron or idiot. Just jump right in and let me know I have offended; I'm feeling generously apologetic today.

    Where is the refutation of my claim that Americans love Israel? There was none because that is a provable fact. Rather, let's dig up something completely unrelated and, apparently in the minds of most Americans, utterly irrelevant and passé. For those so interested in June 1967, look up what happened to the Ninth Marines that month in Vietnam. To the families of the hundreds of young Marines slaughtered, what happened correspondingly in the ME was unimportant.

    Since it is important to me to help those less fortunate rise from slime, I am glad to see that one has learned the difference between "ass" and "anus" (albeit, "ass" is not anatomical). That he still fixates on sticking things into my rectum is troubling and queer.

  27. It is unusual senior officer that is not a political suck ass. A few that are not come to mind, very few. The rot sets in hard after O-4.

  28. Sailors have a hard time "fragging" anyone. In at least one case, however, we did have a sailor purposefully detonate a set of 16" guns aboard an American battleship. If memory serves, he had a fixation with sticking things up others mens "asses". Whether he was "JEWISH SHIT", I cannot say.

    Operating this blog must require massive quantities of Zantac and Zofran. Not having mirrors might help.

  29. Since it is important to me to help those less fortunate rise from slime, I am glad to see that one has learned the difference between "ass" and "anus" (albeit, "ass" is not anatomical). That he still fixates on sticking things into my rectum is troubling and queer.

    Fixation on things rectal, anyone?

    The reference was to You simpering hypocrite, like some pretentious parson with a stick up his ass muttering false pietisms

    "Since it is important to me to help those less fortunate rise from slime"

    One can only say, Jesus Christ!, and go back to bed.


  30. The US military and their enabling Democrats created an attack upon the United States Navy where one did not occur, in the Gulf of Tonkin, while covering up one that did occur, in the Med.

    Politics was like that, when the Democrats held sway, back in the day.

  31. According to Israeli sources, at the start of the war on June 5, General Yitzhak Rabin (then IDF Chief of Staff) informed Commander Ernest Carl Castle, the American Naval Attaché in Tel Aviv, that Israel would defend its coast with every means at its disposal, including sinking unidentified ships. Also, he asked the U.S. to keep its ships away from the shore or at least inform Israel of their exact position.[12][13] With the Liberty in international waters and gathering intelligence, the United States did not provide any information about its location.

    it was a declared war zone...

  32. The Israeli hanging tight with their moral equivalents, in North Korea and Libya, attacking the US Navy, when and where they could.

    Still, today, the Israeli continue to practice their piracy, in the Med against the commercial shipping of our NATO ally.

    They truly are ...

    Pirates of the Mediterranean

  33. Admiral Rufus Taylor, to write me his view of the incident.
    "To me, the picture thus far presents the distinct possibility that the Israelis knew that the Liberty might be their target and attacked anyway, either through confusion in Command and Control or through deliberate disregard of instructions on the part of subordinates."

    The day after the attack, President Johnson, bristling with irritation, said to me, "The New York Times put that attack on the Liberty on an inside page. It should have been on the front page!"

    I had no role in the board of inquiry that followed, or
    the board's finding that there could be no doubt that the Israeli's knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty.
    I have yet to understand why it was felt necessary to attack this ship or who ordered the attack.

    Richard Helms, Director of the CIA, tells US of the cultural collusion between the NYTimes and Israeli, as seen from the Oval Office.

    Obviously LBJ was boxed in politically by the mouthpiece of the Israeli, the NY Times.

    Then and now, the NYTimes carries water for the Israeli.

    Even if allen thinks not.

  34. Deuce said...
    Allen, take an enema.

    Thu Sep 08, 10:17:00 AM EDT

    Not on your life, Cowboy! G-d built that road for oneway traffic.

    but (not butt) this is big (no personal knowledge nor pun intended)

    Saudi king’s Viagra habits

    …no word on whether his prédilections involve sticking his HuHu into the rectums of young boys… (Note: HuHu is not an anatomical term, but anything more graphic would turn me of my lunch)

  35. . hominem is not rational debate as any educated man knows...

    What category does accusing someone of being anti-semitic or a child molester fall into?

    Hypocrite thy have named thyself.


  36. WiO,

    You have got to stop introducing facts into a perfectly fine screed. It's tiresome and, like the revelation of no Santa Claus, deeply disturbing.

  37. .

    Where is the refutation of my claim that Americans love Israel? There was none because that is a provable fact.

    It's also irrelevant to conversation at hand. That is except in the mind of a race baiter who views a criticism Israel on one subject as an indictment against Israel on all.

    Another red herring meant to divert attention, another logical fallacy. Who would expect anything different from this man?


  38. .

    Rather, let's dig up something completely unrelated and, apparently in the minds of most Americans, utterly irrelevant and passé.

    You were the one who brought up the Liberty asshole.


  39. .

    For those so interested in June 1967, look up what happened to the Ninth Marines that month in Vietnam. To the families of the hundreds of young Marines slaughtered, what happened correspondingly in the ME was unimportant.

    Another red herring, this one with the added gall of disparaging the sacrifice of the entire crew of the Liberty.


  40. Santa Claus, as historic a person as David or Moses.

    Myth becomes reality, for the religiously inclined

    Saints, Prophets and Kings of days gone by ...

    ... the myths of the modern whirled.

    David and Bathsheba, as historically accurate a story as King Arthur and Guinevere.

    Literature, to be sure.

  41. Brother Klaus is a model of heroic manhood for many concerned with the flourishing of local communities and sustainable use of open land. He is the patron saint of the German-language association KLB (Katholischen Landvolkbewegung), the Catholic Rural Communities Movement.

    Myth often has roots in reality.
    Which does not make the myth real.

  42. If you believe the official USS Liberty story, well then, you must subscribe to the validity of this, too.

    USA Today - ‎

    President Obama's chief counterterrorism adviser said today there is no evidence to suggest that Pakistani government officials helped keep Osama bin Laden's Abottabad compound location a secret while US officials pursued him ...

    Then one must believe the 1999 Mitchell Report that proclaims Israel is a Jim Crow society.

    And ...

    One must believe that the US is not at war with Islam. That Islam is the Religion of Peace.

    All positions held by the US government, after numerous studies and internal debates.
    All those positions are expressive of reality, if the veracity of the USS Liberty tale as told, by the government, is to be taken at face value.

  43. ...little known fact: LBJ helped (sometimes unlawfully) hundreds of Jews escape Nazi Europe. He used the port of Galveston to get them into Texas.

    Lyndon B. Johnson
    -- A Righteous Gentile

  44. If the US Government is always correct, well then ...

    The Israeli settlements on the West Bank are illegal and should not be expanded.

    A position held by the US, since 1967.

    As true as truth can be.
    Held tight, by the US.

  45. GW Bush did the same with Mexicans.

    Bully, bully for both.

    As President Teddy would say.

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  47. Modern US Presidents always seem to have open arms for economic refugees.

    There are millions of them, here in the US.

    Bully, bully for them!

    Having voted with their feet.

  48. That portends an ill wind is a comin', rufus.

  49. Less driving means less business.

  50. Funny, how in 100 years the meaning of a word can change ...

    Bully, a case in point.

    From Presidential exaltation to an excuse for a beat down.

  51. So tell me, DR, what exactly is the parallel between Mexican economic opportunism and the genocide of European Jewry? (Well, other than the obvious: They mostly all had feet - one of your better brilliant insights.)

  52. .

    Since it is important to me to help those less fortunate rise from slime, I am glad to see that one has learned the difference between "ass" and "anus" (albeit, "ass" is not anatomical). That he still fixates on sticking things into my rectum is troubling and queer.

    At the time of our last argument over the Liberty, I told Allen he reminded me of a man 'with a stick up his ass.'

    Meaning: Stick up his ass

    Urban Dictionary:

    Pompous, a stiff, tighter than a duck's ass.

    Online Slang Dictionary:

    To be overly formal or humorless.

    Since he obviously misunderstood the meaning of the term, I explained its derivation. But Allen being Allen, still took umbrage at the crudity of the remark (this coming from the man who references slang such as "lick his pecker like a hound".

    Rather than offend his delicate sensibilities further, I changed the phrase to read, "a stick up his anus".

    At this point, Allen provided us with a pedagogical treatise on the size, shape, and flexibility of the anus. The point evidently being that the anus was too small to get a stick up and that I should have said 'the rectum'.

    No folks, you can't make this stuff up.

    Ignoring the fact that anatomy has little to do with the meaning of the phrase "a stick up his ass (or anus)", let's look at the anatomy.

    Diaqram of the Anus

    Diagram of the Rectum

    Looking at the diagrams, one has to ask "how does one get to the rectum without going thru the anus, unless of course you take the long route past the tonsils?"

    As an aside, as I recall, the size of the anus presented no problems to Vlad the Impaler as he stuck a stick up numerous people's asses.


  53. When the Europeons entered Mexico, allen, genocide followed.

    Just as vicious as the Europeon genocides of the 20th century, justified by religious purposes of the killers, tambien.

    The outcomes that followed the genocide, economically disastrous for the peons of Mexico, ever since.

  54. Iran Air Flight 655 (IR655) was a civilian jet airliner shot down by U.S. missiles on 3 July 1988, over the Strait of Hormuz, toward the end of the Iran–Iraq War. The aircraft, an Airbus A300B2-203 operated by Iran Air, was flying from Bandar Abbas, Iran, to Dubai, United Arab Emirates, when it was destroyed by the U.S. Navy's guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 66 children,[1] ranking it ninth among the deadliest disasters in aviation history. It was the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Indian Ocean and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus A300 anywhere in the world. Vincennes was traversing the Strait of Hormuz, inside Iranian territorial waters, and at the time of the attack IR655 was within Iranian airspace.[2]
    According to the US government, the crew identified the Iranian Airbus A300 as an attacking F-14 Tomcat fighter. The Iranian government maintains that the Vincennes knowingly shot down the civilian aircraft. The event generated a great deal of controversy and criticism of the U.S. Some analysts have blamed U.S. military commanders and the captain of the Vincennes for reckless and aggressive behavior in a tense and dangerous environment.[3][4]
    In 1996, the United States and Iran reached "an agreement in full and final settlement of all disputes, differences, claims, counterclaims" relating to the incident at the International Court of Justice.[5] As part of the settlement, the United States agreed to pay US$61.8 million, an average of $213,103.45 per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims. However, the United States has never admitted responsibility, nor apologized to Iran.[6]

  55. I am not an authority on Vlad the Impaler or how he managed to squeeze stakes up "asses". On that I will always yield to an expert such as yourself.

  56. Friendly fire is inadvertent firing towards one's own or otherwise friendly forces while attempting to engage enemy forces, particularly where this results in injury or death. A death resulting from a negligent discharge is not considered friendly fire. Neither is murder, whether premeditated or in the heat of the moment, nor is deliberate firing on one's own troops for disciplinary reasons, as in these cases there is no intent to harm the enemy.[1] Similarly, inadvertent harm to non-combatants or structures, usually referred to as "collateral damage", is also not considered to be friendly fire.[2]
    The term friendly fire was originally adopted by the United States military. Many North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) militaries refer to these incidents as blue on blue, which derives from military exercises where NATO forces were identified by blue pennants, hence "blue", and Warsaw Pact forces were identified by orange pennants. Another term for such incidents is fratricide, a word that originally refers to the act of a person killing their brother.

  57. desert rat said...
    When the Europeons entered Mexico, allen, genocide followed.

    Actually, disease did most of the killing. But how about that bad boy Cain?

  58. War in Afghanistan
    In the Tarnak Farm incident of April 18, 2002, four Canadian soldiers were killed and eight others injured when U.S. Air National Guard Major Harry Schmidt, dropped a laser-guided 500 lb (230 kg) bomb from his F-16 jet fighter on the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry regiment which was conducting a night firing exercise near Kandahar. Schmidt was charged with negligent manslaughter, aggravated assault, and dereliction of duty. He was found guilty of the latter charge. During testimony Schmidt blamed the incident on his use of "go pills" (authorized mild stimulants), combined with the 'fog of war'.[68] The Canadian dead received US medals for "bravery", but no apology.
    Pat Tillman, a former professional American football player, was shot and killed by American fire in April 22, 2004. An Army Special Operations Command investigation was conducted by Brigadier General Jones and the U.S. Department of Defense concluded that Pat Tillman's death was due to friendly fire aggravated by the intensity of the firefight. A more thorough investigation concluded that no hostile forces were involved in the firefight and that two allied groups fired on each other in confusion after a nearby explosive device was detonated.
    On April 6, 2006, a British convoy in Afghanistan wounded 13 Afghan police officers and killed one, after calling in a US airstrike on what they thought was a Taliban attack.[69]

  59. In Sangin Province, a RAF Harrier mistakenly strafed British troops missing the enemy 200 metres during a firefight with the Taliban in August 20, 2006. This angers British Major James Loden of 3 PARA, who called the RAF, "Completely incompetent and utterly, utterly useless in protecting ground troops in Afghanistan". British paratroopers even said that they rather prefer the US air-support over the RAF.[70][71]
    Canadian soldiers opened fire on his white pickup truck, about 25 kilometres west of Kandahar, killing an Afghan officer with 6 others injured in August 26, 2006.[72]
    Operation Medusa (2006): 1 - Two U.S. A-10 Thunderbolts accidentally strafed NATO forces in southern Afghanistan, killing Canadian Private Mark Anthony Graham.

  60. On 5 December 2006, an F/A-18C on a Close Air Support mission in Helmand Province, Afghanistan, mistakenly attacked a trench where British Royal Marines were dug-in during a 10-hour battle with Taliban fighters, killing one Royal Marine.[73]
    Lance Corporal Matthew Ford, from Zulu Company of 45 Commando Royal Marines, died after receiving a gunshot wound in Afghanistan on January 15, 2007, which was later found to be due to friendly fire. The final inquest ruled he died from NATO rounds from a fellow Royal Marine's machine gun. The report added there was no "negligence" by the other Marine, who had made a "momentary error of judgment".[74][75]
    Canadian troops mistakenly killed a Afghan National Police officer and a homeless beggar after their convoy was ambushed in Kandahar City.[76]

  61. The natural wealth of Mexico, shipped to Spain, after the genocide.

    Mexico has yet to recover, from the larceny.

  62. Iraq War

    Video of a friendly fire incident, showing errors of identification
    In the Battle of Nasiriyah, an American force of Amphibious Assault Vehicles (AAVs) and infantry were misidentified as an Iraqi armored column by two U.S. Air Force A-10s who carried out bombing and strafing runs on them. One U.S. Marine was killed and 17 were wounded as a result.
    A U.S. Patriot missile shot down a British Panavia Tornado GR.4A of No. 13 Squadron RAF, killing the pilot and navigator. Investigations showed that the Tornado's Identification friend or foe indicator had malfunctioned and hence it was not identified as a friendly aircraft.[92][93]
    Sgt Steven Roberts, a tank commander of the 2nd Royal Tank Regiment, was accidentally shot and killed by a fellow British soldier during the incident at a roadblock at Az Zubayr near Basra on March 24, 2003.[94] It was reported that no British soldiers were to be charged for his death.[95]

  63. Blue on blue becomes red on blue, Story, when multiple waves of attackers descend upon the target, by sea and air.

    One strike on a blue target could be a mistake, multiple strikes, in a concerted and combined attack, not.

    Awarding medals to the attacking force in a Blue on blue attack would be unheard of, any where but Israel, it seems.

  64. U.S. Presidents George Washington, Andrew Jackson, and Abraham Lincoln all contracted and recovered from the disease. Washington became infected with smallpox on a visit to Barbados in 1751.[98] Jackson developed the illness after being taken prisoner by the British during the American Revolution, and though he recovered, his brother Robert did not.[98] Lincoln contracted the disease during his Presidency, possibly from his son Tad, and was quarantined shortly after giving the Gettysburg address in 1863.[98]

    Famous theologian Jonathan Edwards died of smallpox in 1758 following an inoculation.[99]

    U.S.S.R. leader Joseph Stalin fell ill with smallpox at the age of seven. His face was badly scarred by the disease. He later had photographs retouched to make his pockmarks less apparent.[100]

    Hungarian poet Ferenc Kölcsey, who wrote the Hungarian national anthem, lost his right eye to smallpox.[101

    Lincoln? Smallpox?


  65. And the list goes on and on...

    War is war....

    The USS Liberty was on an illegal and un-authorized mission (or at least "plausible deniability) to spy on Israel DURING the 1967 war.

    That war which was moving at lightening speed and lasted 6 days, as compared to ww2 - about 1,300 days, or afghanistan that has lasted 10 years....

    It was 1967, the Egyptians had thrown out the UN from the sinai, the USSR was feeding all sorts of good and bad intel to the arabs...

    The USA? had caused the war by not living up to it's treaty obligations in the 1st place by not forcing the straits of titran to be open for international traffic, pointedly Israel.

    LBJ, under pressure to avoid additional military standoffs (due to the Vietnam war) allowed the aggressor Egypt to violated UN security council resolutions about troops in the sinai.

    Couple this with Syria, Iraq, Jordan and more) actively trying to destroy Israel and it's population in a genocide and America decides for right or wrong to send a ship into the fray...

    People are all over the thought that the ship was clearly flagged with an American Flag...

    SO WHAT?

    Do you really think that Egypt, the Soviets, the Brits, French or WHOM ever it was was telling the truth????????

    Are you for real????????

    Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor)[1] often expressed in Latin as the lex parsimoniae, translating to law of parsimony, law of economy or law of succinctness, is a principle that generally recommends, when faced with competing hypotheses that are equal in other respects, selecting the one that makes the fewest new assumptions.[2]

    MOST likely Israel saw a ship, with TONS OF ELECTRONIC LISTENING ANTENNAS, sailing in a declared war zone.

    and it took out the electronics...

    WHY DID IT NOT SINK IT??????????

    friendly or foe? who knew, but israel choose NOT to just sink it but rather silence it.....

    You fucking armchair quarterbacks make me sick.....

    Israel was fighting for it's survival from genocide., combined arab nations with the BACKING of the Soviets were attempting AGAIN to completely solve the question of Israel.

    But focus on the Liberty....

  66. You have proclaimed that deaths, even in war, to be murder, Story.

    The Israeli, by the "o" standard, the self-admitted murderers of the Med.

    They murdered US sailors on the Med in 1967 and murdered a US citizen, on a ship in International waters on 31 May 2010.

    Pirates of the Mediterranean

  67. Anonymous said...

    Classic Quirk


    Thu Sep 08, 11:52:00 AM EDT

    Wow! Such a compliment and from one so highly respected must make for a red-letter-day. Gosh! I am in awe. ;-)

  68. Heh, they ought to execute some search warrants on the White House -

    FBI agents executing search warrant at Solyndra
    By Lisa Fernandez
    Posted: 09/08/2011 08:05:59 AM PDT
    Updated: 09/08/2011 09:59:23 AM PDT

    Just days after the company filed for bankruptcy protection, federal agents swarmed around the Solyndra facilities in Fremont to execute a search warrant.

    FBI agents were joined by officials from the Department of Energy's Office of the Inspector General in the early morning operation.

    Officials would say little about the search, which seemed to center on the Solyndra buildings on Page Avenue off Interstate 880.

    "Everything is under seal," said Julianne Sohn, a spokeswoman for the FBI.

    Agents began executing their search about 7:30 a.m., Sohn said. More agents arrived in SUVs at 8:40 a.m.

    The action by federal agents comes a week after the solar manufacturer abruptly closed, laying off about 1,000 workers, and two days after the company filed for bankruptcy protection.

    Solyndra spokesman Dave Miller said the search came as a surprise, but he emphasized the company is "fully cooperating" with federal officials. He said he did not know the purpose of the search, but he speculated it could have something to do with the $535 million in loan guarantees the Department of Energy awarded to Solyndra.

    There are indications that the agents are in the process of interviewing Solyndra employees.

    Miller said there is a "wind-down" team still working at the company's facilities, including human resources, accounting and fabrication engineers shutting down
    equipment. There are about 100 employees still on the job this week, but that number will continue to decrease, he said.

    Solyndra filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy Tuesday in Delaware, saying it plans to seek a buyer.

    Bloomberg reported that at the bankruptcy hearing, the company said it may have two bidders for the Fremont plant financed by the federal loan guarantees. The U.S. Energy Department is concerned that the potential buyer may buy and move the equipment and technology out of the country, Justice Department attorney Matthew Troy said in court Wednesday.

    One of the laid-off employees, Mohammed Walahi of Fremont, showed up to file worker's compensation paper work for a repetitive stress injury and was surprised to see FBI agents instead of security guards.

    Walahi, who was a process technician with the company for five years, lashed out at his former bosses.

    "There wasn't good management in the company," he said. "We bought four buildings and how much did we spend, $50 million? We only needed one or two buildings."


  69. As for Sp/4 Tillman, the shot grouping reported in the autopsy indicates that the official report to be lacking in veracity.

    Multiple layers of cover-up were involved in the awarding of the Silver Star, the criminal investigation and adjudication of those involved in Pat Tillman's death.

  70. 4th qtr GDP will be a Negative number. The first of many.

    Diesel Demand which has been tracking UP approx 4% YOY for many months is now only up 0.1% over the last four weeks (Year on Year.)

    On a "weekly" basis it would have to have been down significantly YOY.

    Gasoline Demand, this week, went from down 2.1% YOY for the prior four weeks to Down 2.9% YOY in the last four weeks.

    EIA Data

  71. :)

    Classic Allen

    Just like his kissing cousin rat, always got to get the last shot it.


  72. What happened was: Saudi Arabia, and the oil companies, blew smoke up the politicians, and Wall Streeters' asses by telling them that they could "Ramp Up" production enough to bring oil/gasoline prices back down to levels that would sustain growth.

    The Retailers, and Manufacturers "bought into" this nonsense, and ordered up a storm. Now, they gots a problem.

  73. "There wasn't good management in the company," he said. "We bought four buildings and how much did we spend, $50 million? We only needed one or two buildings."

    About par for the course, and that's the tip of a really big iceberg.


  74. .

    Wow! Such a compliment and from one so highly respected must make for a red-letter-day. Gosh! I am in awe. ;-)

    You should be Allen. You've struck out on Liberty and the anus today. Two strikes. Now you are going to start on Bob?

    The Magic 8-Ball says strike three.


  75. ROFLOL

    Ron Paul, always good for a laugh.


  76. I'm leaving for the stables, daughter is here.

    Have a good argument.

    I'm escaping before Paul's 'fence' is built.


  77. .

    You fucking armchair quarterbacks make me sick.....

    Your argument is that Israel did what had to be done in their own self-interest during a time of war.

    I have no argument with that at all. My issue, and what we have been talking about here is the political decision to call back the jets, leave an unarmed American ship to its fate in international waters, and then to try to cover it up.

    When the Liberty was attacked, the US jets should have been unleashed to go in and destroy the Israeli PT boats and any other fuckers involved in the attacks.

    You whining about how the US was to blame for not rushing in to Israel's aid and running into a conflict with Russia that could have led to WWIII? Wake up and smell the coffee.


  78. When the Liberty was attacked, the US jets should have been unleashed to go in and destroy the Israeli PT boats and any other fuckers involved in the attacks.

    Why not? After all, it was a "declared war zone".

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  80. MOST likely Israel saw a ship, with TONS OF ELECTRONIC LISTENING ANTENNAS, sailing in a declared war zone.

    That should have been a clue.

    You see something from the 22nd Century bristling with satellite uplink dishes you don't hit it and say you thought it was an Egyptian fishing trawler converted by camel fuckers into a pocket cruiser.

  81. .

    Israel was fighting for it's survival from genocide., combined arab nations with the BACKING of the Soviets were attempting AGAIN to completely solve the question of Israel

    The presence of the US fleet in the region acted as a deterrent, preventing Russia from deploying more assets against Israel.

    Israel should have been grateful.


  82. .

    But focus on the Liberty....

    Don't like it?

    Talk to your buddy. He's the one that brought it up.



  83. LBJ, under pressure to avoid additional military standoffs (due to the Vietnam war) allowed the aggressor Egypt to violated UN security council resolutions about troops in the sinai.

    Oh, so UNSC resolutions are sacrosanct? Really?

    Res. 119 (Oct. 31, 1956) – Considers that “a grave situation has been created” by the attack against Egypt by the forces of Britain, France, and Israel..

    Res. 242 (Nov. 22, 1967) – Emphasizes “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war”, emphasizes that member states have a commitment to abide by the U.N. Charter, and calls for the “Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied” during the June 1967 war.

    Res. 347 (Apr. 24, 1974) – “Condemns Israel’s violation of Lebanon’s territorial integrity and sovereignty and calls once more on the Government of Israel to refrain from further military actions and threats against Lebanon”, and calls on Israel “to release and return to Lebanon the abducted Lebanese civilians”.

    Res. 487 (Jun. 19, 1981) – Strongly condemns the military attack (on Iraq) by Israel in clear violation of the Charter of the United Nations and the norms of international conduct and further considers that the said attack constitutes a serious threat to the entire IAEA safeguards regime which is the foundation of the non-proliferation Treaty.

  84. DR,

    desert rat said...
    As for Sp/4 Tillman, the shot grouping reported in the autopsy indicates that the official report to be lacking in veracity.

    DR, re: Pat Tillman

    Hey, send me your business card and a copy of your license. You just never know when you will need a good pathologist.

    Hey, what did you think about the Vlad the Impaler story? How do you get a nine inch diameter sharpened stake through a 2" dianmeter sphincter? And that turn at the Sigmoid has got to be it were.

    Since I know my limits, I always turn to experts on matters colonoscopic.

  85. Anonymous said...

    Classic Allen

    Just like his kissing cousin rat, always got to get the last shot it.


    Thu Sep 08, 01:15:00 PM EDT

    Fire discipline, bob. One shot, one kill. Unless you are Pat Tillman, in which case the Venutians sent in a hit squard of Ptz to take him out. Afterward, the brains of McChyrstal and Betrayous were eaten (but that is another coverup for another day).

  86. "Every year the United Nations General Assembly votes on a resolution entitled, "Peaceful Settlement of the Palestine Question." And every year the vote is the same: It's the whole world on one side; Israel, the United States and some South Sea atolls and Australia on the other side. The vote this past year was 164 to 7.... We have all twenty-two members of the Arab League favoring the two-state settlement on the June 1967 border. We have the Palestinian Authority favoring that two-state settlement on the June 1967 border. We now have Hamas favoring that two-state settlement on the June 1967 border. The one and only obstacle is Israel, backed by the United States. That's the problem."
    --Norman Finkelstein,


    I’ve never read anything that remotely implied that Lyndon Johnson was part of the false flag planning, he seemed caught off guard, but still unhesitatingly ordered the rescuers back & started the cover up for zionist benefit. Money alone can’t be the motive.

    Seeing Sen.John McCain’s father among the US actors in charge of containing & minimizing the assault reminded me that US does have an aristocracy, old money names survive to today..

    I want to thank all of the people here at this site.
    I am anti censorsip, I like colorful language and remarks to contrary may mean something to the psychologically astutue.

    Reagan was good at selling Borax. I can’t think of anything else kind to say re. him..

  87. Thanks for posting this. Though I was born in Germany, I served as an “Advisory Team Leader” in Vietnam, after my job as Intelligence Operations Officer for our 4th US Armored Division, in Goeppingen, Germany. While I was the Intelligence Operations Officer a fax came trough about the Israeli sinking of the USS Liberty. Colonel Aantero Aakkula was my boss. He ordered me to run upstairs to bring the info to our commander, General Sherrer. While I stood in the doorway, our General glanced at me briefly, and commented: “With friends like the Israelis, we have no need of enemies!”

    “How can any nation, which claims to be our ally, and whose very existence depends on our desire to protect it’s citizens, dare to murder Americans.”

    He wondered how we could do such a thing.

  88. Yet Another Champion of The Constitution

    Oh… MY … Goodness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I may have to apologize to one and all concerning the attack on the USS Liberty and the dirty rotten Jews who pulled it off, mind controlling a cast of thousands of densely packed military zombies, smelling Pall Malls and cheap anal wax.

    No greater an authority than Cynthia McKinney has published, decrying Israeli perfidy and the USS Liberty.

    Watch out! This could be the game changer for me.


  89. People were ordered to evacuate their homes for about 80 miles downstream of Wilkes-Barre, where the river is projected to crest later Thursday at 41 feet — the same height as the levee system, officials said. Residents were ordered to leave by 4 p.m. today.

  90. Be still my beating heart!

    Ralph Nader - Yes! that Ralph Nader - is a USS Liberty conspiracy theorist.

    My resolve is starting to buckle.

  91. Didn't Cynthia want an investigation of 9/11 because all Jews mysteriously failed to show for work that day?

    Help me!!!!!!!! I'm melting!!!!!!

  92. As to who began this latest jaunt down the blowhole, it was DR in reference to the "deserved" murder of an elderly American Jew on a cruise ship and the "murders" of Americans on the high seas of the ME by Jews.

    What is a wonder to me is how low some are willing to go anytime the DR starts the bashing. After two days of trying you have failed: The vast majority of Americans will continue to love and support Israel. You all confuse the hopes and prayers of your tiny black hearts with those of your countrymen. But, if that's what it takes to get you to 17:00, glad to help.

  93. Sixty - five! (65)! brands of laundry detergent!

    Let's see the Commies match that range of choice!


  94. 20 Muleteam Borax Ad

    Best I can do, can't find the mules, maybe I'm thinking of a Budweiser Commercical


  95. Link to it, allen, you lying piece of shit.

    Link to where I said that the the killing of a US citizen was "deserved"
    You are another practitioner of the "Big Lie"

    It had to in the past couple o days, so link it up butt boy.

    If you can.

    Which is not possible.
    You zionist butt boy.

  96. I don't recall rat saying anything along those lines in the course of this 'discussion'.

    Not to take sides. Kill one another for all I care.

    I tried to put a little humor in here.

    If it's not the stables it's the grocery store, we got to eat....


  97. Funny or not, you're living in the past.

    Of interest in THIS Century
    Are the innumerable

    20 Mujahideen Ads.

    that have "gone viral"

  98. Never seen even one of them, doug.

    Gone viral you say.

  99. No response, as yet, from the squatting butt boy, aye.

  100. What are they selling, doug, in those ads?

    72 white grapes?

  101. The evolution of the 9/11 conspiracy theories

    Barbara Olson, wife of the Solicitor General of the United States, was aboard the Pentagon plane. What would the crazies have us think happened - Ted took her home in the trunk of the car and locked her in the attic, where she remains to this very day with Dorian Gray?


  102. Anonymous said...
    I don't recall rat saying anything along those lines in the course of this 'discussion'.

    It comes as no surprise to me that you might have missed it. You were in your "JEWISH SHIT" modality and it was in writing. Only one of these defects in amenable to remediation.

  103. The squatting butt boy tries to escape the debate.

    No links or references to support his rhetorical lies.

    Typical of a Goebbelite.

  104. desert rat said...
    Link to it, allen, you lying piece of shit.

    Why, DR, I am shocked that you of the pristine pie hole would write such a thing. You "never" curse. :-)It would be wrong of me to reinforce such conduct by rewarding you with a re-regurgitation of your slander against Mr. & Mrs. Klinghoffer. (Does that ring any bells?)

  105. I have read every thread for every post since I started this blog and I do not recall any post put up by anyone on this blog where that person claimed to have killed anyone. That is not something that I would have missed. If it exists, which it doesn't, show me. If you can't find it, then there is no credibility in the claim.

  106. Herr Goebbels would be proud of your efforts, squatter.

    Tell the "Big Lie" repeatedly.

    Foster belief in superior "blood lines", amongst the faithful.

    Use politics to define racial purity and force of arms to impose political solutions.

    Empower the Nuremberg Laws, globally.

    Remove Judaism from Europe.

    Zionism and Nazism, the motive changes but the techniques remain the same.

  107. Zionism = Nazism

    There you are, the total triumph of nonsense.

    And he said what he said though he didn't use the word kill or murder. But euphemisms. Probably long erased.


  108. I suppose the message is one should be careful in the use of euphemisms, lest one is misunderstood.


  109. A confession is what Story claims I made, boobie, not euphemisms.

    As for the squatter, he claims I said a US citizen "deserved" to be killed by terrorists.

    A bald face lie.
    A steaming pile of zionist turd.

    The end result of Zionism and Naziism, boobie, are the one and the same.

    No Jews living in Europe.
    Using the Nuremberg Laws to define Judaism.

  110. Legitimizing the use of force to settle political differences.

    By declaring the political opponent as being some what less than human.

  111. Zionism, like Israel itself, are political, boobie, not religious.

    Politios using religion as a crutch.

    It has been an effective piece of propaganda, on their part, the conflation of Judaism with the state of their politics.

  112. It must hurt to have to live with the fact that even if your every opponent is a liar of the first water, Americans still overwhelmingly love and support Israel, and apparently will continue to do so, the USS Liberty accident, notwithstanding.

    It must really hurt to live with the knowledge that with any shooting war in the ME, an American government MUST support Israel. Do understand, other than supplying logistics already in the contractual pipeline, I do not think the United States should. But life can be so darned unfair. Congress will insist on asserting its love for Israel nine Sundays a month.

    ...gotta love it...

  113. Currently there is labor unrest in the Port of Longview, in Washington State, because an international company has installed a state-of-the-art system that uses automation to a much greater degree than before. The Longshoreman’s union is trying to shut it down by trespassing, holding the security guards captive, dumping grain on the tracks, cutting brake lines, etc. It’s not a matter of the company hiring “scabs”, they are hiring union engineers rather than longshoremen. That’s wrong “brethren” it seems. So it’s a modern Luddite movement, right out of the Rearden Metal chapters of Atlas Shrugged.

  114. The amount was paid by two big-time donors -- 100-year-old heiress and philanthropist Rachel "Bunny" Mellon and Edwards' 2008 finance chairman Fred Baron, who died in 2008.

    Prior to his death, Baron admitted that he had paid money to help hide Hunter from the press, but denied that Edwards had any knowledge of the arrangement.

    Former Edwards campaign aide Andrew Young -- who lived with Hunter while she was in hiding, initially claimed to be the father of the baby girl as a favor to Edwards, but later wrote a tell-all book about the campaign, in which he claimed Edwards definitely knew about the money and even solicited it.

  115. Many people interested in security in Mexico and the Mexican cartels will turn their attention to Chicago in the next few days. Sept. 11 is the deadline for the U.S. government to respond to a defense discovery motion filed July 29 in the case of Jesus Vicente Zambada Niebla, aka “El Vicentillo.”


    The many seizures and arrests during the period El Vicentillo’s attorneys allege the truce was in effect — which the motion says began no later than January 2004 — are the first factor undermining the allegations. For example, in February 2007 the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) announced the culmination of “Operation Imperial Emperor,” a 20-month investigation directed against the Sinaloa Federation that resulted in 400 arrests and netted 18 tons of drugs and $45 million in cash.


    The second element militating against the allegation that the U.S. government entered into an agreement with the Sinaloa Federation is politics. Such an agreement would be political suicide for any attorney general or DEA administrator and the president they served were it ever disclosed.

    Clever Defense

  116. Reagan’s widow, Nancy, 90, sat in the front row, wearing her signature red.

    There were frequent references to Reagan’s legacy as a touchstone for the right and as the figure who helped lead a conservative realignment in the country.

    Whether Perry’s surge is a sign of a true shake-up in the race, or the political equivalent of a sugar high, is likely to be tested over the next month as the contest enters a more intense phase.

  117. This in many ways is a silly discussion — governors and even presidents are very much at the mercy of the economic situation they inherited — and Romney actually framed it well:

    “The states are different. Texas is a great state. Texas has zero income tax. Texas has a right-to-work state, a Republican legislature, a Republican Supreme Court. Texas has a lot of oil and gas in the ground. Those are wonderful things. But Governor Perry doesn’t believe that he created those things. If he tried to say that, why, it would be like Al Gore saying he invented the Internet.”


    “It is a monstrous lie. It is a Ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years old today, you’re paying into a program that’s going to be there.”

    — Gov. Perry

    Perhaps the governor does not know the dictionary definition of a Ponzi scheme. Here’s what Merriam-Webster says: “An investment swindle in which some early investors are paid off with money put up by later ones in order to encourage more and bigger risks.”


    “Obamacare is killing jobs. We know that from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.”

    — Rep. Michele Bachmann (Minn.)

    Bachmann won’t give up on this factoid, even though we debunked it seven months ago and said it was worth three Pinocchios. It’s just not correct, and remains a perfect example of how politicians twist the facts.

  118. The report of the threat came after several quiet weeks in which officials said they were scanning intelligence with extra vigilance before the anniversary, but had found nothing credible.


    One law enforcement official said the initial intelligence report said that at least three suspects in a reported plot, one of them an American citizen, left Afghanistan and entered the United States by air last month. Intelligence agencies have not confirmed the report or identified those involved, the official said.

    The official, who like others would speak of the investigation only on the condition of anonymity, said there was no connection to rental trucks reported missing in Kansas City, Mo. The trucks have been recovered and are not believed linked to the threat.

  119. Yeah, I am certainly a Zionist, as are the majority of my fellow countrymen it seems. Knowing that feels so good I could do a jig.

    How lonely to be on the wrong side of history, while day in, day out tilting with a broken lance at imaginary adversaries in their ramshackle windmills. What silly men, if men they are in any emotional way.

    Yes, they have sown the wind and they reap only the passing yawn from the thoughtful...pathetic

    It has been our home for more than 3500 years. It will remain our home until time ceases. If that hurts, come join us; we make no distinctions based on race, color or nationality. All that is required is the sincere belief that G-d is one.