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Monday, June 20, 2016

The unvarnished truth about Israel’s toxic inference in US affairs

44 comments:

  1. Col Lawrence Wilkerson and others believe that if only the jews of the world would have killed themselves or offered the arabs the chance slit their throats, America would have better deals on oil and peace.

    Sorry deuce for living.

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  2. The thing that Deuce and his pals forget?

    The modern world recognized the historic right for the Jewish nation state with the League of Nations.

    Those legal and binding resolutions still hold.

    Israel, the Jewish state, has every right to be, no matter how many arabs and how much oil they have....

    Maybe if the world had been true to it's word and allowed the Jewish to have a national self determination in the 1920 as promised the lives of MILLIONS of Jews could have been spared...

    But no, the Jews were sold out, their lands cut back and given to the same peoples that supported hitler....

    in 1948 the partition of palestine was to be shared by the jews and arabs (the arabs who supported the nazis and their ideas of genocide of the Jews)

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  3. If you examine a map?

    Jordan is Palestine.

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  4. But the good news?

    Israel is set to become one of the world's largest natural gas producers...

    It's cleaner, greener and cheaper than crude oil.

    Now listen to that video again, knowing that Israel will be saving the butts of millions, if not hundreds of millions of europeans, arabs and turks with natural gas....

    Now couple that with the contributions to agra, nanotech, bioengineering, computer science and more?

    now compare that to a ever more unstable arab world of illiteracy and poverty...

    :)

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  5. .

    Quirk you may now say: I WAS WRONG.


    Oh, I wouldn't say you are wrong, WiO. I'm not that kind of guy.

    What I have said is that you are credulous and willing to take whatever info supports your views without question or examination.

    In every post I put up, I have admitted the possibility of a ISIS-Hamas link; but also said I strongly doubt it.

    I repeat the reasons for my initial skepticism that I gave when you have brought this issue up before:

    - You (you and Bob?) put up a couple of articles with this story earlier, one from 2015 and the other from 2016.

    - As an aside, I found it funny that Israel would accuse Hamas of providing medical aid to ISIS when Israel has been accused of doing the same thing for ISIS and other radical groups. And, unlike Hamas, Israel didn't deny it they justified it on humanitarian grounds.

    - In one of the stories you guys put up, it was ISIS supplying weapons to Hamas and in the other it was Hamas supplying weapons to ISIS. Merely an allegation with no evidence or explanation for the discrepancy. As I recall there was other discrepancies.

    - Face it, it wouldn’t be the first time Israel has tried a false flag operation.

    - Hamas has a history of fighting ISIS and other Islamist and Jihadist groups in Gaza.

    - Right around the time the 2015 story came out, ISIS was attacking the Yarmouck Palestinian refugee camp in Syria and Hamas had declared they would get vengeance. And, in fact, ISIS was kicked out of the camp.

    - From the beginning Hamas has denied any connection with ISIS.

    - All the charges originated with Israeli military sources, hardly a disinterested observer especially as Hamas was trying to mend their ties with Egypt.

    - Speaking of which, in 2012, Sisi took over, began persecuting the MB and Hamas, closed the border, shut down Rafah, and destroyed tunnels. Ever since, Hamas has been trying to get Egypt to reconsider and open this lifeline. What temporary short term benefit could Hamas get from ISIS to convince them to screw up any chance they had at getting the border opened?

    - Also, you can't blame one for being skeptical of these stories given that with BDS, the Arab Peace plan, the European peace plane, and the PA's unilateral efforts at the UN, Bibi is feeling the pressure and no doubt would love to besmirch the Arab side any way he can.

    So, yes, I was skeptical...

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      Now, today you guys post a couple of other articles on the same story.

      The main difference I see is that now according to al Ahram the Egyptians are also saying the same thing.

      Oh, and I learned that I am part of the foreign policy smart set. Sweet.

      The info you guys put up hasn’t changed my mind. I still remain skeptical.

      My reasons…

      - The same issues noted above remain.

      - Though the stories have been repeated in Western media now, they are the same stories coming from the same people citing the same sources as the earlier stories.

      - The Egyptian government owns a majority interest in Al Ahram and the paper will print what Sisi tells them to.

      - The Egyptian government has close ties with Israel these days and will likely help them any way they can. Given the pressure on Israel noted above, a request by Israel to help them out on this would likely fall on friendly ears in Cairo especially since Israel has recently allowed Egypt to bring more sophisticated weapons into the Sinai than allowed by their treaty. Quid pro quo?

      - The additional secondary sources you reference all agree that Hamas has been fighting Salafi jihadi groups in Gaza. It was also pointed out that Hamas has been trying to stop them from launching rockets into Israel.

      So yes, there is enough there to make me skeptical.

      However...

      There are factors (mostly economical) going forward that could change this...

      - Hamas is feeling mounting pressure in Gaza.

      - Polls show that only 15% in Gaza are satisfied with Hamas' performance.

      - Polls show that a certain percentage (10-15%) are pissed that Hamas is preventing rockets being launched into Israel and instead prefer jihad.

      - Gaza is about broke.

      - The only funds they are getting are from Iran. The PA has cut them off. Israel is squeezing them. Egypt has closed the border and the tunnels. Hamas doesn't have money for services or to pay salaries. They have no money for infrastructure or weapons. They are hurting.

      - They have been pinning their hopes on Egypt easing up on the border restrictions. They have added troops to patrol the border in order to control ISIS and other jihadi groups from entering Egypt. And they have been cracking down internally. All to appease Egypt.

      - A couple weeks ago, there were news reports saying that relations appeared to be improving between Hamas and Egypt. Hamas and Egypt had set up a meeting in Cairo to iron out their differences.

      - Within the last couple days, the reports are that the meeting didn't go well. The main sticking point? Egypt demanded that Hamas admit they were working with ISIS in the Sinai. Hamas refused and continued to deny it.

      [Editorial comment: Egypt and Israel would have liked Hamas to admit they were working with ISIS. It would aid their political aims especially with the current pressure being applied on Israel. However, from the Hamas side, refusing makes sense. Doing otherwise would put them in a no-win situation. Either they haven't been working with ISIS or they have been. If not, why would you say you did? If you have been cooperating with ISIS, it is still a no-win proposition. Israel and Egypt would use the admission for propaganda purposes with no guarantee that Egypt would ease restrictions at the border. Likewise, you would probably alienate your only means of support, Iran.]

      - Therefore, if the economic pressures on Hamas continues one can see them eventually seeking money and weapons from anyone they can, even ISIS (within certain boundaries of course)if it comes to that.

      - The interesting fact of course is that if ISIS starts gaining influence in Gaza and Israel is faced with the Islamists, they just might look back at a secular Hamas as the good old days.


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  6. The facts openly stated by Wilkerson, whispered by the majority in the US military and intelligence services, obvious to the overwhelming majority of countries of the World, are irrefutable.

    Since WWII, no country has done more damage to the US than Israel. There is not a close second. There is no margin of error.

    There is no benefit, none, nothing, to the security and welfare of the US by continuing to support the unsustainable myths and regimes of Israel. It is a risk without a reward.

    If the US turned off the money and tribute and Israel had the means to sustain themselves, they would turn on the US in a USS Liberty afternoon.

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  7. Have no fear. If there is anything that the US has not done for Israel, anything that Israel has not pilfered or stolen from the US or any dignity still left in Washington in its subservience to Israel, Clinton will resolve the oversight.

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  8. ANOTHER DEAD TEEN BY THE WAFFEN IDF

    Jerusalem (CNN)Israeli soldiers shot and killed a Palestinian teenager early Tuesday in the West Bank, mistakenly believing he was involved in an earlier stone-throwing incident, the Israel Defense Forces said.

    Mahmoud Raafat Badran, 15, was on his way home from a swimming pool when the car he was traveling in came under Israeli military fire, Abdul Kareem Qassem, the head of the Beit Ur al-Tahta village council, told CNN.
    The boy lived in Beit Ur al-Tahta and had been to a pool in the neighboring village of Tira, both west of Ramallah in the West Bank.
    Six other Palestinians in the car were injured, including two who remain in serious condition from gunshot wounds, Qassem said.
    IDF soldiers were responding to an earlier incident near the village after stones and Molotov cocktails had been thrown close to a road that links Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and cuts through the West Bank. Three civilians were injured, the IDF said, including tourists from Britain and Belgium.
    "Nearby forces acted in order to protect additional passing vehicles from immediate danger and fired towards suspects," an IDF statement said

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    1. It's war deuce.

      But you don't seem to cry about when palestinians are killed by the thousands, by Syria...

      Maybe the palestinians should move to europe to be safe.

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  9. JERUSALEM — A Palestinian teenager returning from a fun night out at a swimming pool was fatally shot by Israeli soldiers early Tuesday in what the Israeli military said appears to have been a mistake.

    A statement from the army said three civilians were injured and multiple cars were damaged overnight after Palestinian youths hurled rocks and firebombs at people traveling on Route 443. The road, which connects Israel’s main airport to Jerusalem, runs partially through the West Bank and is frequently a site of rock-throwing incidents.

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    1. The blood lust of the Zionists will not be sated, not anytime soon

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    2. But Jack, you are still alive...

      I guess your hiding has been effective.

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  10. If you've got some time and want to see a bunch of great war photographs accompanied by the photographers 'war stories' I highly recommend you check this out:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/multimedia/shooting-war/article30173312/

    Bob, you should definitely take a look at it, in detail. Somehow I doubt you will.

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    1. Some powerful stories in there. Lots to read and look at 12 different photographers with quite a long article on each.

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    2. The Ashley Gilbertson stuff on soldiers bedrooms is really quite powerful.

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    3. "In Gilbertson’s long, painful road back from Fallujah, one can see the redemptive power of creative work. “Bedrooms of the Fallen is, as far as I am concerned, the most successful project I’ve ever worked on,” he says. “The saddest, the proudest without a doubt. … It was so, so difficult … I felt closer to war in those bedrooms than I did in Iraq. I know [that] getting the blood on you … being shot at … the adrenalin and heartbreak and trauma and losses that we feel over there are real, very real, but when that’s happening, you’re [focused on] survival. You are not dealing with the emotional aspects of what’s in front of you. … Working in the bedrooms, there was nothing like that. It’s the exact opposite. It was all about empathy. It’s all about engaging with the family and feeling their losses. … By deciding to go to war, this is what we created. It’s awful. These rooms. These absent rooms.”"

      http://www.theglobeandmail.com/multimedia/ashley-gilbertson/article29713399/

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    4. "He recalls initially feeling appalled when at a refugee camp in in Puntland, northeast Somalia, he came across a mentally unwell child who had been tied to a stake for nine years. But his opinion changed, even if his distress did not, when the child’s mother, a single parent living an impoverished existence, explained that she had another four children to look after. What was she to do, she challenged Hammond? Devote all her resources to her sick son and let the others starve, for that is what surely would happen, or instead tend to his four healthy siblings? These are moral dilemmas we in more affluent societies are thankfully spared courtesy of an accident of birth."

      http://www.theglobeandmail.com/multimedia/robin-hammond/article29713379/

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    5. Smirk, your joined Quirk in calling me a war monger for suggesting some no fly zones and safe zones in Syria.

      Now it is Hillary saying she wants to put up no fly zones and safe zones in Syria, your gal.

      I think it's probably a little too late for it now. The Ruskie is in the air....too much chance of conflict.

      Since you and Quirk, THE SMIRK'N'QUIRK TWINS called it war mongering, I think the 500,000 dead should be put to your account.

      Shove your smirky attitude up your backside, Smirk.

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      You are an asshole and a moron Bob. No one cares what you think.

      The no-fly zone was stupid when you suggested it. It's stupid when Hillary says it. It's stupid now, it was stupid then, it will be stupid tomorrow. You and Hillary make a great couple. Real MENSA quality. You two deserve each other.

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      You are a moron and an asshole Quirk.

      No one cares what you think.

      You don't give a damn if people live or die.

      Take your war mongering accusation and shove it up your old desiccated asshole.

      :O)

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    8. And you have ZERO idea what to do about the world's problems, other that to call everyone else dicks or sheeple.

      Shove that attitude up you asshole too.

      When it comes down to it, you actually don't say anything at all.

      You just bullshit and pontificate.

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    9. "Q"Nit: Idaho


      Cops, media hide Idaho girl’s sex assault by Muslim migrants

      June 21, 2016 4:12 pm By Robert Spencer 34 Comments


      The authorities are in frenzied denial mode about this story. And as is increasingly the norm these days, they’re lying. Journalist Leo Hohmann has found the facts to cut through the Idaho authorities’ politically correct denial and mainstream media obfuscation: “Cops, media hide Idaho girl’s sex assault by Muslim migrants,” by Leo Hohmann, WND, June […]

      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/06/cops-media-hide-idaho-girls-sex-assault-by-muslim-migrants

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  11. Strikes in Syria

    Attack, fighter and remotely piloted aircraft conducted 16 strikes in Syria:

    -- Near Shadaddi, a strike destroyed an ISIL vehicle-borne bomb.

    -- Near Raqqah, two strikes struck an ISIL-used bridge and destroyed five ISIL oil pump jacks.

    -- Near Manbij, 13 strikes struck 12 separate ISIL tactical units and destroyed five ISIL fighting positions and two ISIL vehicles and damaged a separate ISIL fighting position.

    Strikes in Iraq

    Rocket artillery and bomber, attack, ground-attack, fighter and remotely piloted aircraft conducted 20 strikes in Iraq, coordinated with and in support of the Iraqi government:

    -- Near Baghdadi, two strikes destroyed an ISIL boat and an ISIL mortar system.

    -- Near Beiji, two strikes struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed an ISIL fighting position, two ISIL vehicles, two ISIL vehicle-borne bomb, and an ISIL tunnel system and denied ISIL access to terrain.

    -- Near Fallujah, four strikes struck two separate ISIL tactical units and destroyed nine ISIL fighting positions, an ISIL vehicle, an ISIL heavy machine gun, seven ISIL light machine guns and an ISIL rocket propelled grenade system and denied ISIL access to terrain.

    -- Near Kisik, a strike struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed an ISIL assembly area and an ISIL weapons cache.

    -- Near Mosul, two strikes struck two separate ISIL tactical units and destroyed an ISIL vehicle and an ISIL tunnel.

    -- Near Qayyarah, six strikes struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed three ISIL bunkers, two ISIL tunnel entrances, an ISIL command-and-control node, two ISIL mortar systems and six ISIL boats and denied ISIL access to terrain.

    -- Near Ramadi, a strike destroyed an ISIL weapons cache.

    -- Near Sultan Abdallah, a strike destroyed an ISIL boat.

    -- Near Tal Afar, a strike destroyed an ISIL bunker, four ISIL weapons caches, an ISIL assembly area and an ISIL beddown location.

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    1. Day after day, drip after drip ...

      The Obama policy is working, slowly, but with out any major costs for US.

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    2. yeah those 49 Americans murdered mean nothing when you can bitch about a palestinian who was killed...

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  12. Jack HawkinsTue Jun 21, 08:41:00 PM EDT

    The blood lust of the Zionists will not be sated, not anytime soon



    Interesting. When Hamas actually kidnapped 3 teenagers and murdered them, you Jack accused the zionists of blood lust and false flag.

    Now we all KNOW with proof, that Hamas orchestrated, funded and planned it you are silent and have never say anything that was critical of Hamas for the murder.

    in fact, you have never criticized Hamas or any Arab terrorist that murders a zionist or a jew or even attempts it.

    This is why you are an enemy of the Jewish people.

    Be proud Jack, you are in great company, Hitler, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, The Iranian Revolutionary Guards, the Killer that shot up Orlando last week, Bin Laden and more.

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  13. Instead, the P.A. and Hamas have continued anti-Jewish incitement, frequently encouraging children to perpetrate violent acts. The Palestinian Media Watch (PMW), a nonprofit organization that translates Arab media in the Gaza Strip, West Bank and eastern Jerusalem, has documented Palestinian children’s TV shows teaching “there is no Israel” and Jews are the “most evil among creations, barbaric monkeys, wretched pigs.”

    PMW reported that in an Oct. 27, 2015 broadcast on official P.A. TV, Palestinian official Tawfiq Tirawi praised his 2-year-old son for singing, “Daddy, buy me a machine gun and a rifle, so that I will defeat Israel and the Zionists.”

    In its March report entitled “Educating the Next Generation,” the Mideast Freedom Forum, a German-based think tank, found that Palestinian school textbooks “consistently portray Jews in a strongly negative manner,” deny the existence of Israel and are awash with anti-Semitic stereotypes.

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  14. Sounds like right from the days of Martha Gellhorn, doesn't it ?

    'Their media is one long scream of hate. They eat hate, they drink hate....the must love hate.'

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    1. they must love hate


      By golly I got it set up right, hooooeeeee

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    2. Arab media in the Gaza Strip, West Bank and eastern Jerusalem, has documented Palestinian children’s TV shows teaching “there is no Israel” and Jews are the “most evil among creations, barbaric monkeys, wretched pigs.”


      PMW reported that in an Oct. 27, 2015 broadcast on official P.A. TV, Palestinian official Tawfiq Tirawi praised his 2-year-old son for singing, “Daddy, buy me a machine gun and a rifle, so that I will defeat Israel and the Zionists.”

      the Mideast Freedom Forum, a German-based think tank, found that Palestinian school textbooks “consistently portray Jews in a strongly negative manner,” deny the existence of Israel and are awash with anti-Semitic stereotypes.


      Martha Gellhorn's Palestinian media.....

      They don't deserve a State.



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    3. Martha Gellhorn wrote 'The Arabs of Palestine' in October, 1961.

      Long time ago.

      The Arabs of Palestine don't change.

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    4. The "arab" media is nothing but the same ideology as ISIS

      It should be bombed, like America bombs ISIS 9000 miles from it's shores

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  15. The US military detected the two missiles, most likely Musudan, from North Korea, the US military's Pacific Command said. A Pentagon spokesman said the missiles both fell into the Sea of Japan.

    Japan put its military on alert on Tuesday for a possible North Korean ballistic missile launch. South Korea's Yonhap News Agency, citing an unidentified government source, said the North had been seen moving an intermediate-range missile to its east coast.
    North Korea is believed to have up to 30 Musudan missiles, according to South Korean media, which officials said were first deployed around 2007, although the North had never attempted to test-fire them until April.

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  16. Jack and Deuce accuse ("J'accuse") the "zionists" (code word/dog whistle for Jews) for having a blood lust for killing palestinians.

    Oh if that were only true...


    There is a wonderful target in Gaza as we speak...

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/06/gaza-children-summer-activities-unrwa-hamas.html

    Now MOST of the summer camps for the Gaza kids is not to which I am referring too...

    But there are some Hamas/Islamist camps that a re intact teaching murder of Jews.

    They should be bombed.

    Just as America is bombing ISIS in Syria (that rufus and jack are so proud of), Israel should bomb every target possible. Then Israel/Zionists/Jews would have the SAME level of blood lust as Americans like Deuce, Rufus and Jack

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  17. would it not be a FINE day if I could post this?

    Strikes in Gaza

    Attack, fighter and remotely piloted aircraft conducted 16 strikes in Gaza:

    -- Near Gaza, a strike destroyed an Hamas vehicle-borne bomb.

    -- Near Philadelphia Route, two strikes struck an Hamas-used bridge and destroyed five Islamic Jihad oil pump jacks.

    -- Near Rafah, 13 strikes struck 12 separate Hamas tactical units and destroyed five Hamas fighting positions and two Hamas vehicles and damaged a separate Hamas fighting position.

    -- Near Gaza City, two strikes destroyed an Hamas boat and an Fatah mortar system.

    -- Near Rafah, two strikes struck an Hamas tactical unit and destroyed an Hamas terror tunnel, two Hamas vehicles, two Hamas vehicle-borne bomb, and an Hamas tunnel system and denied Hamas access to terrain.

    -- Near Gaza Border, four strikes struck two separate Hamas tactical units and destroyed nine Hamas fighting positions, an Hamas vehicle, an Hamas heavy machine gun, seven Hamas light machine guns and an Hamas rocket propelled grenade system and denied Hamas access to terrain.

    -- Near Hebron, a strike struck an Hamas tactical unit and destroyed an Hamas assembly area and an Islamic Jihad weapons cache.

    -- Near Bethlehem, two strikes struck two separate Fatah tactical units and destroyed an Fatah vehicle and an Fatah tunnel.

    -- Near Jerusalem, six strikes struck an Hamas tactical unit and destroyed ISIS/Hamas bunkers, two Hamas/ISIS tunnel entrances, an Hamas/ISIS command-and-control node, two Hamas/ISIS mortar systems and six HAMAS trucks and denied Hamas access to terrain.

    -- Near Ramallah, a strike destroyed an Fatah el islam weapons cache.

    -- Near Gaza City, a strike destroyed an Hamas/ISIS boat.

    -- Near Rafah, a strike destroyed an Hamas tunnel & bunker, four Hamas/ISIS weapons caches, an Hamas/ISIS assembly area and an Hamas beddown location.


    Yeah it won't be long...

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  18. Now this is funny, not in the HAHA way but the IRONIC way

    Will Abbas intervene to save Nablus from mayhem?

    The Nablus governorate in the north of the West Bank has been witnessing security unrest since February, including street shootings, tires being set on fire and the closing down of public institutions.

    Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/06/palestine-nablus-security-unrest-chaos-palestinian-authority.html#ixzz4CJHQvVPr

    March 9, young men closed down schools and blocked the main streets in the city of Nablus, and national figures declared a public strike in Askar refugee camp to protest the Palestinian Authority's (PA) neglect of the issues inside the camp and the marginalization of its residents.

    On May 2, the residents of some villages in Nablus governorate, such as Deir al-Hatab and Azimut, set tires on fire to protest against the Nablus municipality’s intention to construct a water purification plant,

    HOW DARE THEY TRY TO BUILD A WATER PURIFICATION PLANT

    On June 1, unidentified armed men sprayed with bullets the house of Ghassan al-Shaka, a member of the Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization

    On the same day, hooded men closed off Rafidia Street in the center of Nablus, setting tires on fire, to protest against the marginalization by the municipality of the Rafidia neighborhood.

    On the evening of June 10, unidentified men attacked the Greek Orthodox monastery complex of Jacob's Well in Nablus. The attack included an attempted assault of the head of the monastery, Archimandrite Justin Mamalos

    The attack included an attempted assault of the head of the monastery, Archimandrite Justin Mamalos. The reason remains unknown.

    Tayseer Nasrallah, a Fatah leader from Nablus and Fatah member of the Palestinian National Council, told Al-Monitor, “The recent security disturbances in Nablus are due to the poor social and economic situation, especially after the cutbacks by UNRWA [United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East] of its services at the end of May 2016

    AND OF COURSE THE LOSS OF JOBS FROM SODA STREAM....

    LOL

    Samer Khwaireh, a journalist from Nablus, told Al-Monitor, “The security situation in Nablus is shaky because Palestinian leaders are settling their scores [in the streets]. They want to impose facts on the ground that would increase their influence at the expense of others. Weapons are widespread in the city and shooting incidents are on the rise. The PA is unable to issue stringent judgments against individuals and groups conjuring up this lawlessness and chaos.”

    “Yet the situation in Nablus is better than in other West Bank cities — especially Jenin — where complete mayhem broke out a few weeks ago, and where shootings are carried out daily and the Palestinian internal security unrest has disturbingly increased the death toll,” he said.

    LOL






    Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/06/palestine-nablus-security-unrest-chaos-palestinian-authority.html#ixzz4CJIPB1IP

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  19. And NOW?

    Iran.

    You remember those here at the bar moaning and groaning that the Iranians were peaceful, loving peoples that never had an evil or nuclear intention? You remember that of course?

    And now?

    Iran has troops in syria slaughtering Syria, it's militias are in Iraq raping and killing...

    AND NOW?


    http://www.wsj.com/articles/uranium-provides-new-clue-on-irans-past-nuclear-arms-work-1466380760

    Uranium Provides New Clue on Iran’s Past Nuclear Arms Work
    Obama administration says IAEA discovery during inspection last year points to weapons program

    Even Obama can't deny Iran was working on a bomb...


    LOL

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    Now, WiO, wants to bomb Palestinian media.

    Now, WiO, wants to bomb summer camps for children.

    Better kick that US aid request up to pay for all those bombs.

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