“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” - George W. Bush

All The Best


I want to thank everyone who participated in the Elephant Bar over the past twelve years. We had millions of visitors from all around the World and you were part of it. Over the past dozen years, two or three times a night, I would open my laptop and some of you were always there. I will miss that.

My plans are to continue my work with technology and architecture. You know my interests and thoughts.

At times, things would get a little rough in the EB. To those of you that I may have offended over the years, I apologize. From all of you, I learned and grew.

An elephant never forgets.
Be well.

Deuce, 21 June 2018

Saturday, June 18, 2016

Obama should have Kerry on the first flight back to Washington and have his resignation on Monday

Kerry: Memo calling for attack on Syria an ‘important statement'

In as polite as diplomatic language as is possible, this guy is full off shit. Os that a US or Saudi state department flag? 

US Secretary of State John Kerry has said an internal memo calling for stronger military action against the Syrian government is an “important statement” which he would consider when he returns to Washington.

Press TV

“It’s an important statement and I respect the process, very, very much,” Kerry said Friday in Copenhagen.

An internal document, signed by 51 State Department officials involved with advising on Syria policy, called for targeted strikes against the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

“Failure to stem Assad’s flagrant abuses will only bolster the ideological appeal of groups such as Daesh, even as they endure tactical setbacks on the battlefield,” the cable reads.

Their urgent call for military action closely resembles the arguments Kerry has been making in Situation Room debates on how to force President Assad to accept a transition of power, administration officials said, according to the New York Times.

Kerry has warned President Barack Obama that unless Washington is willing to put more pressure on Assad, he will simply wait out the end of Obama’s second term in office.

“For quite some time, Secretary Kerry has had real reservations about the president’s approach to Syria,” Frederic C. Hof, a former special adviser to the White House on Syria, told the Times.

“His mellow reaction might indicate sympathy,” he added.

An official familiar with US debates on Syria said while the “dissent channel” diplomats are simply urging airstrikes to force President Assad into negotiations, Kerry would consider military operations to shift the balance of power in the country.

Critics of the US policy on Syria seized on the leaking of the cable to intensify their calls for the White House to act more aggressively against the Assad government.
During a press briefing at the Saudi Embassy in Washington on Friday, Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir said Riyadh has long been pushing for a military campaign to overthrow President Assad.

“There should be more robust intervention,” he said when asked about the State Department cable. “If the Bashar regime feels that it can continue in a stalemate, much less prevail, there will be no incentive to take the necessary steps to bring about a transition.”

The Saudi minister reiterated that from the onset of the Syrian crisis, Saudi Arabia has strongly favored “a more robust policy, including air strikes, safe zones, a no fly zone, (and) a no drive zone.”


  1. This is outrageous that US policy in the Middle East is hostage to Ryad and Tel Aviv. What would be different this time?

    1. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, might as well get that straight as you make your absurd accusations.

  2. Yesterday’s emerging reports of the State Department “demanding” that the US abandon its ongoing war against ISIS in Syria in favor of a separate war against the Assad government continues to dominate US foreign policy discussion, and is attracting major comments internationally.

    Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir was quick to back the State Department, insisting that’s the war the Saudis wanted all along, and criticizing President Obama for continuing on with the ISIS war, which the White House insists will not change.

    In their daily press briefing, State Department spokesman John Kirby confirmed the existence of the “dissent channel message,” saying that it is extremely unusual for such a message to exist, let alone have a lot of signatures, as this one does.

    At the same time, Kirby insisted that the document itself was likely to remain secret, and refused to discuss the exact details of the document, beyond saying that “no one’s content with the status quo.”

    The Pentagon and CIA have been fighting for months over the Syria War, with the Pentagon favoring the war against ISIS, and undermining CIA efforts to smuggle weapons to Islamist rebels as part of the civil war, believing it would undermine the ISIS war.


    1. Is this a campaign advertisement for Clinton, and a preparation for her Neocon Middle East policy?

    2. Maybe they know there are still 3 Christian families left, and won't be killed or run out until Assad is gone.

    3. I'm waiting for the Comedy Team Smirk'n'Quirk to weigh in and tell us what should be done.

      For all I know Israel may be planning on annexing Syria and occupying it with IDF troops, as they have done with Gaza.

      News flows so slowly these days they may have already done so.

      Also, a quick calculation of the human suffering involved from all the options via Quirk's Human Suffering Calculator would be useful.

    4. I recall arguing for some no fly zones and safe spaces in Syria before the Russians were in the air. This is the same as Hillary is saying now, though she has added no drive zones.

      The Russians being in the air it is probably too dangerous a plan now.

      I was called a war monger in the 1st degree by Quirk at the time.

      I remember it well.

      I await Quirk's suggestions on what to do to alleviate human suffering in Syria, though I doubt he has any.

  3. This is a very alarming development. It is interesting that they pulled this stunt after Sanders was rigged off the ticket.

  4. TheClinton presidency would be a disaster. All the lessons we should have learned and still there is this absurd threat?

  5. It is enough to make me take another look at Trump.

  6. Watch for HRC to pick Kerry as her VP.

    1. I hope she does as I can't see him doing her much good.

      Talk about a team from the past....

  7. The real take away is that Hillary is a warmonger and will keep the endless wars in the ME going, making things worse and worse.

    What we need to to is leave the middle east alone. We are not helping, everything we have done has made things disastrously worse. We created the Saudis, who created the Wahhabi, who spawn all these terrorist groups. We bombed the life out to eh Middle east cause millions of deaths, 1000 times what the mulsim terrorists have caused to the west, and out of desperation and chaos from removing Saddam and the rest of our mindless destruction, ISIS was born. All so we can feed the war machine ad secure the worlds access to oil and gas. We don't even need to do that anymore, since solar and wind are cheaper, and eletric cars and waste to fuels can replace fossils oil.
    Virtually all our conflicts now are the results of CIA botched operations in the past, and the present ones are setting the situation up for more and more in the futures.

    Hilary want more of that.

    Bernie or bust.

    1. Please, please go to the Democratic Convention and raise holy hell.

      The nomination was stolen from you.

      Riot in the streets - riot on the floor of the Convention.

      Stand up for your rights.

  8. Bernie Sanders needs to stand up and let his voice be heard over this. The Clintons kept a wrap on this until they snatched the nomination with the rigged delegate process. It is no coincidence that this has been “leaked” at this time.

  9. .

    Attack the regime?

    Drip. Drip. Drip.

    It was predictable. And it was predicted here when the US first started bombing ISIS.

    The prediction was repeated when the first US bomb dropped in Syria. Whether by intent or by accident it's almost inevitable.

    Drip. Drip. Drip.

    It might not happen under Obama but it will happen and likely sooner rather than later.

    The US can't seem to help itself, at least, not for long.

    A second prediction that was made two years ago was that when we leave Iraq/Syria the place will be in worse shape than when we entered and that the US will have even fewer friends in the ME. That has already happened.

    It will get worse.

    You go girls.


  10. Obama will bomb Assad when Congress passes a resolution instructing that action.

    Meantime, Obama will bomb ISIS until Congress passes a resolution telling him to stop.

  11. Btw, Hillary Clinton got 4,000,000 More Votes than Bernie.

    1. In what states, amigo?

      The Presidency IS NOT decided by a popular vote ...
      To carry the majority of the minority in a State the Democrat will not win, not a solid claim to fame ...

      Regardless, if she is not indicted, she'll be the next President.

      She stands a good chance of even winning in AZ.

      The Trump effect: Could Arizona go blue for the first time in 20 years?


    2. She also beat him in Pledged Delegates by about 380, or so.

      She beat him every way to Sunday.


  12. Hell, the Congress of the United States will not authorize the President to fight ISIS ...

    GOP controls both House and Senate, the GOP is soft on terrorists.
    It is proven by the performance, well, the lack there of.


  13. Ehud Barak accuses the Netanyahu government of establishing apartheid

    On 14 June, the annual conference on Israel’s security opened at Herzliya. While work got stuck on the discussions agreed, (like those of the Frenchmen, Français Jean-François Copé and Bernard-Henri Lévy), the walls trembled at the hour of closing.

    The former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, [now] withdrawn from political life, accused the government of Netanyahu of “fascism” (while taking care to clarify, not fascism as the term is understood in relation to the thirties and forties).

    Warning against a policy that leads Israel to its downfall, he detailed his successor’s secret plan:
    - 1. Israel anticipates having perpetual control over the territories it conquered in 1967.
    - 2. Israel has no interest in a solution for both States and opposes the establishment of a Palestinian state on its border.
    - 3. Israel expects the rest of the world to conform and accept this reality. It expects that some difficult times – such as the terrorist attacks in Europe, the situation in Syria and so forth— will divert their attention.
    - 4. Israel accepts autonomy for Palestinians but does not accept that they have a right to a State.
    - 5. Israel patiently constructs colonies to construct, bit by bit, an irreversible title to the land.

    If this programme is applied and pursued under sustained applause, it will inevitably lead Israel becoming an “Apartheid State”. And in capitals throughout the world, from London and Washington, to Berlin and Paris, to Moscow and Peking, — there is no leader that any longer believes a word issued from Netanyahu’s mouth or his government’s. Our situation, he said, in his concluding cry for revolt, is comparable to that of the former Johannesburg.



    1. How soon until our little piece of "O"rdure claims that former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak is an anti-Semite?

    2. No you are the jew hating piece of shit not he.

      He is a politician, just like in the USA will say anything to get elected.


    3. Wrong again, "O"rdure, I certainly do not hate Jews, but like former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, I do think that Israel is an apartheid state.

      You put so much emphasis on emotion, because it is intellectually impossible for you to defend Zionism.

      You sure stink. "O"rdure, better go get flushed.


    4. Then, of course, there was the IDF General who compared Bibi's Israel to Hitler's Germany ...

      IDF general in bombshell speech: Israel today shows signs of 1930s Germany

      'It's scary to see horrifying developments that took place in Europe begin to unfold here,' Maj.-Gen. Yair Golan said during a Holocaust Remembrance speech.



    5. Israelis reporting on Israel, and our little "O"rdure wants to libl and defame good old

      Wonder why he never immigrated to Israel?
      He really does not want to play Settler vs Arab ...

      He knows that game will not end well, for the settlers ....


    6. An Israeli army general on Wednesday drew comparisons between 1930s Europe and modern Israeli society, sparking controversy in the country and abroad.

      "It's scary to see horrifying developments that took place in Europe begin to unfold here," said Deputy Chief of Staff Yair Golan in a speech during a Holocaust Remembrance Day event in central Israel, as reported by the Jerusalem Post.

      "If there's something that frightens me about Holocaust remembrance it's the recognition of the revolting processes that occurred in Europe in general, and particularly in Germany, back then – 70, 80 and 90 years ago – and finding signs of them here among us today in 2016."

      "The Holocaust, in my view ... must bring us to conduct some soul-searching as to the responsibility of leadership and the quality of our society. It must lead us to fundamentally rethink how we, here and now, behave towards the other."

      "There is nothing easier and simpler than fear-mongering and threatening. There is nothing easier and simpler than in behaving like beasts, becoming morally corrupt, and sanctimoniousness."

      Golan also indirectly referenced an Israeli soldier who was videotaped shooting and killing a subdued Palestinian attack suspect at point-blank range in what some have termed an "execution".

    7. I see the house monkey is throwing the usual turds around his cage again.

      Which means, time to take a nap.

      Cheers !


    8. Wait, there were those comments by the President of Israel ...

      “It is time to honestly admit that Israeli society is ill – and it is our duty to treat this disease,”
      Rivlin told the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities on Sunday at a conference titled “From Xenophobia to Accepting the Other.”

      “The tension between Jews and Arabs within the State of Israel has risen to record heights, and the relationship between all parties has reached a new low,”
      he said.
      “We have all witnessed the shocking sequence of incidents and violence taking place by both sides.

      The epidemic of violence is not limited to one sector or another, it permeates every area and doesn’t skip any arena.

      There is violence in soccer stadiums as well as in the academia.

      There is violence in the social media and in everyday discourse, in hospitals and in schools.”

      “I’m not asking if they’ve forgotten how to be Jews, but if they’ve forgotten how to be decent human beings. Have they forgotten how to converse?”

      - Reuven Rivlin, President of Israel

    9. Ah back to the misdirection and distortions of the last few years.

      I see nothing in your mind has changed, in fact posting the exact same spam as you did before.

      But since you last posted....

      Bibi has a state visit to South Africa...

      ISIS and Iran, with the help of Syria and Hezbollah have murdered over 400,000 (confirmed) in syria and created the single largest refugee problem on the planet.

      No one cares about the palestinians...

      Egypt has squeezed Hamas.

      Hezbollah is bleeding in Syria.

      The Assad government has killed over 10k of palestinians all the while starving 120,000 palestinians in their refugee camp.

      But you keep cutting and pasting out of context snippets..

      And we will keep calling you out for the person I had to actually call the AZ FBI on for making threats.

    10. Case or file number, on that "O"rdure ?

      Of course, you cannot provide one, can you?

      The date of the call ...

      Not available either, is it?

      You are a fraud, "O"rdure.

    11. As for your litany of success for the "Yinon Plan", it does not matter.

      What you Zionists fail to realize, the failure of your enemies, it does not equate to your success.

      Will The Israelis help to restart the South African nuclear weapons program?


    12. So many high ranking Israeli officials, all echoing Desert Rat ....
      Israel is an apartheid state ... he knew it years ago ...

      Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak he reports that it is true, today.

    13. Jack, you KNOW the case, you told us you saw it..

      Liar Liar pants on fire...

      So sad to see you have not evolved.

      Meanwhile, MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people the world over recognize that Hamas, The Palestinians, Hezbollah, ISIS, Moslem Brotherhood are all cut from the same cloth.

      You know the cloth you support?

    14. Wrong, again, "O"rdure.

      You misread what I wrote. Told you that, at the time ...
      But you failed to heed the written word, holding fast to your own fantasies, instead.

      I asked the SAC, here in Phoenix to see if there had been any death threats or claims of illegal activity, here at the Elephant Bar, independent of whatever claims YO may havve made to the FBI.

      He reported back to me that only one blogger had made claim to illegal activities that interested the Feds ... Someone with an IP in Ohio that was selling guns.
      Improve your reading comprehension, "O"rdure, it will save you from future embarrassment.


  14. Russian Defence Chief, Bashar al-Assad Coordinate On 'Anti-Terrorist Fight'

    Russian Defence Chief, Bashar al-Assad Coordinate On 'Anti-Terrorist Fight'
    World |Agence France-Presse | Updated: June 19, 2016 04:22 IST
    Russian Defence Chief, Bashar al-Assad Coordinate On 'Anti-Terrorist Fight'

    President Bashar al-Assad to discuss anti-terrorist "cooperation" in Syria's conflict, a bone of contention between Moscow and Washington. (File Photo)
    Damascus: Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu met in Damascus on Saturday with President Bashar al-Assad to discuss anti-terrorist "cooperation" in Syria's conflict, a bone of contention between Moscow and Washington.

    Shoigu, the highest ranking Russian official to travel to Syria since the conflict erupted five years ago, was sent by President Vladimir Putin for the surprise meeting with Moscow's long-time ally Assad, the Syrian state news agency SANA said.

    "The talks focused on military cooperation between the two countries and joint action to fight against terrorist organisations on Syrian soil," it said.

    In Moscow, the defence ministry said the discussions centred on "current questions of military and technical cooperation... as well as certain aspects of the cooperation in the fight against terrorist groups operating in Syria".



  15. Robert "Draft dodger" Peterson is in denial of the situation in Israel.

    There are many Israelis who are not.
    Some are quoted, above.
    Robert is so discombobulated by it all, he has to leave and take a nap.

    Reality sucks, for Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson.


    1. We've been a few years ahead of the curve, here at the Elephant Bar, but there are many Israelis who are now catching up ....

      Hope they can change the course that Bibi has set ...
      He is leading his little country into a major disaster.

      There are many here among us who are not to blind to see.
      Ever more are now speaking out, in Israel.

  16. .

    Rat, is McCain going to win the GOP Senate nomination in Arizona?


    1. Unless he falls down and dies ...

      He has the retirement demographic, the "Blue Hairs", they have never failed to turn out for him.

    2. .


      From what I've seen of Kelli Ward she looks like a tough cookie and seems to be doing pretty good in the polls.

      She ripped McCain a new one claiming he was more responsible for creating ISIS than Obama was.

      Of course, she is probably more a neocon nut than McCain (if that's possible) but I would love to see the old fart taken down.


  17. Jack stands with Islamic Terror.

    I stand with America and Israel and the west.

    I called the AZ FBI on Jack/Rat for making threats.

    We all know it.

    We all remember how he claimed he had a confidential source inside the FBI that showed him the file.

    He accused me of international arms sales in retaliation...

    Of course?

    Jack stalked the WRONG Jew for over a year, Chocolate Emporium anyone?


    Jack, you are nothing but a Israel hating, Jew hating troll.


    Israel had doubled it's GDP in ten years....

    What have you been doing besides squatting on someone else's land in AZ?


    1. Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, he reports that Israel is an apartheid state.
      Just as Jack has claimed, in the past.

      Our little piece of "O"rdure refuses to address what Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak he reports, what Reuven Rivlin, President of Israel and IDF Deputy Chief of Staff Yair Golan both said in public speeches.

      "O"rdure stands with fascists.

      Jack is a Libertarian that does not favor foreign aid to Israel, Egypt or Saudi Arabia, or as it is known here at the EB, the Axis of Abraham

      Understanding the Israeli-Egyptian-Saudi alliance
      by Caroline Glick


    2. Israel stands with the West, by supporting ISIS?
      The Israelis do support ISIS, they do not stand with US.

      3 December 2015

      Multiple reports claim that Israel is the top purchaser of smuggled ISIS oil

      ISIS oil is transported to Israel via Turkey, according to reports

      Citing multiple sources,
      the Israeli business press are now reporting that Israel is the main recipient of ISIS oil:

      Kurdish and Turkish smugglers are transporting oil from ISIS controlled territory in Syria and Iraq and selling it to Israel, according to several reports in the Arab and Russian media. An estimated 20,000-40,000 barrels of oil are produced daily in ISIS controlled territory generating $1-1.5 million daily profit for the terrorist organization.

    3. Jack, you are quite the dissembler of quotes, of course you have no understanding of Israel.

      But again?

      You stand with hamas.


      that says it all...

      Question? Do you still fly the Hamas flag or have you switched to the ISIS black one?

    4. Meanwhile Russia has moved closer to Israel meeting with Bibi 4 times in the last 12 months, setting up air corridors for Israel to strike Hezbollah when needed to stop Assad from shipping advanced weapons to lebanon..

      Israel's trade with India and China are booming..

      And in 7 months? Expect Israel to get the red carpet in America again, once Obama is set out to pasture.


    5. Your lies, "O"rdure are no indication of my position.

      You are the one who continually claims that Hamas is a nation, that Gaza is a state.

      You continue to be a fraud, "O"rdure, your lies will not change the realities ...

      Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, he reports that Israel is an apartheid state.

      Just as Jack has claimed, in the past.

      Our little piece of "O"rdure refuses to address what Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak reports, what Reuven Rivlin, President of Israel and IDF Deputy Chief of Staff Yair Golan both said in public speeches.

      "O"rdure stands with fascists.

  18. .

    You don't have to be anti-Semitic to call Bibi Netanyahu a congenital liar. He is the Hillary Clinton of Israel.

    The leaders of other countries know it, political leaders, past an present, in Israel know it, the international community knows it, in the last week an article the Times of Israel outlined his lies related to the peace process that he swears he favors, and within the last couple days even the Jerusalem Post ran the same type of article. Even the Democratic party is starting to see him for what he is. We've outlined his specific lies here including those he foists on suffering families in Israel for his own political reasons. And don't even start on his claims absolving Hitler of responsibility for dreaming up the Holocaust.

    The key advantage Bibi has? The morons here and in Israel who will believe whatever he says no matter how stupid he sounds or they look.


    1. Quirk you are correct, many find fault with Bibi for all sorts of reasons.

      But for those that have a laundry list of issues with Israel, it's people, it's Jewishness and it's rights to it's historic claims?

      Is much more than simply a person calling bibi a liar.

      Quirk, you have long ago crossed the line.


    2. Your distortions are almost as quirky as Rat's.

  19. Just to be clear.

    The MOMENT the PA JOINED with Hamas in a Unity Government?

    The Oslo peace process was dead.

    There was no partner for Israel to make peace with.


    1. True enough.

      Basically same situation as when I was a kid.

      By the way, anybody got any warfarin ?

      Good way to get rid of rats.

    2. We used to use warfarin at the cabin to get rid of the wood rats that would get in the ceiling.

      Worked every time. They'd eat the warfarin then get thirsty and head to the lake and that was the end of them.

      Wish we had some metaphorically similar substance here to get rid of blog rats.

  20. great news.

    the people are waking up in AZ


    Rat's/Jack's squatting on the 1st people's lands will be coming to an end...

  21. The question is?

    Does America have the right to hold on to Arizona, California, New Mexico and other territories?

    1. Will the 1st Americans simply throw the Rat/Jack off the lands he squats on? Or will they "PUNISH" him?

      It will be interesting to see the situation in AZ develop....

      Jack being NON-1st American and all....


  22. I love QUIRK's distortions...

    QuirkSat Jun 18, 10:01:00 PM EDT

    You don't have to be anti-Semitic to call Bibi Netanyahu a congenital liar. He is the Hillary Clinton of Israel.

    The leaders of other countries know it, political leaders, past an present, in Israel know it, the international community knows it, in the last week an article the Times of Israel outlined his lies related to the peace process that he swears he favors, and within the last couple days even the Jerusalem Post ran the same type of article.

    International leaders?

    Which ones are NOT liars themselves?

    look who calls the kettle black!

    Of course Bibi favors a peace process, but if your partner for peace is now in PARTNERSHIP with Hamas, a genocidal terrorist group, there is NO PEACE PROCESS..

    One can dream of a utopia where the Palestinians finally accept Israel as the Jewish state that has equal rights to be there including Jerusalem as it's capital.

    In that dream Israel saw a shared Jerusalem, in reality? they offered it and it was turned down by the palestinians.

    Those seeking to libel Bibi, or simply marginalize him say he lies, he has no interest in any peace process.

    There will not be "peace" with the arabs if the arab demand Israel be destroyed.

    There reality?

    Bibi is the elected Prime Minister of the Jewish State of Israel.

    Dont like it?

    Too bad.

    1. Quirk is always a blame America first kind of guy.

      It's always our fault, or, Israel's fault.

      Neither USA or Israel ever seems to be able to do anything right in Quirk's eyes.

      It gets old after while.

  23. Rivlin Tells UN: Don't Falsely Accuse Israel of Genocide, Fight the Real Thing
    President implicitly recognizes Armenian Genocide during General Assembly Holocaust memorial; says clashes on northern border represent Israel's fight against 'global challenge of terrorism.'

    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.639601

  24. Rivlin: 'I am a soldier' in the fight against BDS movement


    1. President-elect Reuven Rivlin opposes the creation of a Palestinian state, a position that contradicts that of the incumbent president, and to some extent also clashes with that of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

  25. .

    Of course Bibi favors a peace process, but if your partner for peace is now in PARTNERSHIP with Hamas, a genocidal terrorist group, there is NO PEACE PROCESS..



    What idiocy. Bibi was bragging about how he destroyed the Oslo Process years before there was any unity government. His words have been posted here numerous times. HIS WORDS. You two useful idiots refuse to believe HIM. The older Bobbsey Twin blames me for Bibi's own words.

    Then later, in 2014, before there was a unity government Bibi complained that he couldn't negotiate with Abbas because Abbas didn't represent all the Palestinian people. Then when they formed a unity government Bibi went batshit crazy and declared he couldn't negotiate with Abbas because of the unity government. It would be funny if it wasn't so bizarre.

    One can dream of a utopia where the Palestinians finally accept Israel as the Jewish state that has equal rights to be there including Jerusalem as it's capital.

    What a friggin moron. We get this shit from you all the time. Per WiO, 'Israel has offered the Palestinian's a state numerous times and they have refused it.' What bullshit. This year has been typical.

    Earlier this year, because of BDS and pressure from the Arabs and the Europeans and actions by the Palestinians at the UN, Bibi brought out this old chestnut.

    Bibi: 'I am willing to meet with Abbas at any time without preconditions to discuss a two state solution.' But then this is shortly followed by Bibi saying, 'We will never give up control of Jerusalem. A unified Jerusalem will be capital of the Jewish state. The right of return is a non-starter. We must keep Israeli troops in the new Palestinian state for security reasons. The Palestinians must accept Israel (not only as a legitimate state with a right to exist but) as a Jewish State.'

    Perhaps there is no 'P' in Yiddish either. Bibi doesn't seem to understand that those are preconditions, a whole hell of a lot of preconditions.

    Those seeking to libel Bibi, or simply marginalize him say he lies, he has no interest in any peace process.

    If it's true it's not libel.

    Bibi is the elected Prime Minister of the Jewish State of Israel.

    True. But that's not the question. Bibi is a liar. Everyone recognizes it. He does it all the time. His lies range from the mundane to the cruel to the bizarre.

    If Hillary is elected, the American people will have elected a liar. The same applies to Israel and Bibi.

    After everything that has been posted here over the years, some where his words were quoted and others of videos when he spoke the words, are you saying that Bibi is not a liar?


  26. For awhile Trump was on top of Hillary in the polling, now he is polling behind her.