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Monday, December 08, 2014

Most members of Congress are on board with ISIS battle since it marries the liberal interventionist and neocon agenda of regime change in Syria


  1. Dear Editor

    I would like to draw your attention to an intriguing piece of editing in the Irish Times.
    It concerns the (excellent) dispatch from their US correspondent Simon Carswell (Thursday 31st July) regarding the influence of the ‘Israel Lobby’ on US Foreign Policy which included a reference to John Mearsheimer’s and Stephen Walt’s 2007 book ‘The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy’.
    A particular point I wanted to highlight to the Irish Times was that the book emphasises that not only does the Israeli lobby not command the loyalty of all of the Jewish community but even more significantly it is critically dependent on unstinting support from the ‘Christian Right’, along with associated neo-conservative etc. elements.
    This broad-based support from conservative Christians, across the spectrum from ‘End-Timer’ fundamentalists to more moderate Evangelical churches is increasingly clear and was acknowledged for example in Montefiore’s ‘Jerusalem the Biography’ (2011) which demonstrates its 19th century origins.
    However when I went on-line to check any links from the article to the book I discovered that not only was there no link, but that the two paragraphs dealing with Mearsheimer that appeared in the print version had been deleted! The printed version noted:
    “America’s unshakeable bond with Israel damages US interests but the power of the lobby weakens Obama’s ability to respond more aggressively, said John Mearsheimer, a University of Chicago politics professor, who co-authored a 2007 book with Stephen Walt, called ‘The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy’: ‘Because the lobby is so powerful, and in this system where interest groups punch above their weight, you have a situation where any president is incapacitated when it comes to playing hardball with Israel’, he said”.
    But this was not included in the online version. The online version also replaced the final sub-heading “Israeli Lobby” with “Images of Casualties” and inserted the following text below this:
    “The circulating of images of civilian casualties in Gaza on social media may in part explain the sympathies of the American youth”.
    So in addition to expunging the paragraph quoting Mearsheimer on the power of the Israeli lobby, the suggestion is added that the reason for the less pro-Israeli sentiments of the US youth might be due to their exposure to on-line images!
    Having absorbed all this I figured it would most likely be a fruitless exercise trying to get a comment on this onto the Times’ own letters page.
    I conclude by saying that my motive in writing this does not come from any anti-Israel paranoia on my part. But I’m convinced that if there is to be a sustainable peace in Palestine-Israel it will be essential for Israel, and indeed those in the media who are well disposed to it, to confront its own fundamentalist roots and colonial origins and develop a much more humble, generous and proactive approach to its dealings with the Palestinians.

    Yours faithfully

    Peter Walsh,
    Greystones, Co. Wicklow

    1. "O"rdure is looking at a mirror, and writing about what he sees.

  2. Racism laid bare in Israel
    Yvonne Ridley
    Monday, 08 December 2014 17:31

    If is a big word in Middle East politics and is often used with the benefit of hindsight or wishful thinking. My "if" focuses on the departure of Israeli ministers Yair Lapid and Tzipi Livni from the Israeli cabinet; both refused to support Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Jewish State Bill. In his own words Netanyahu said that the bill would provide "national rights only for the Jewish people."

    Breaking ranks, Livni and Lapid and their supporters claimed that the bill was racist and now so-called liberals and less fanatical supporters of the Zionist state agree. If passed into law it would certainly end the hollow boast of Israel's claim to be the only democracy in the Middle East.

    By consolidating a sectarian Jewish identity, it is clear that Netanyahu is pandering to right-wing voters who, at the moment, are in the majority. These are the voters who are opposed vehemently to a State of Palestine and overwhelmingly supported Israel's latest brutal summer onslaught against Palestinians in neighbouring Gaza.

    And here comes my "if": if Livni and co are right about racism then this will lay wide open the inherent racism of Israel (and its founding ideology of Zionism) and the flawed activities, for example, of the Jewish National Fund, an organisation which will only sell land to Jews.

    Founded in 1901 by Theodor Herzl, the godfather of political Zionism, the JNF was originally set up to buy land in Palestine to establish Jews-only settlements before the creation of the Zionist state of Israel. Now it's a global charity describing itself as the "caretakers of the land and people of Israel".

    JNF critics say that it expropriates land belonging to Palestinians and has obliterated pre-1948 Arab villages by planting forests and parks over their ruins. At the moment, the charity is involved in the demolition of Bedouin villages in the Negev desert as part of yet another forestation project.

    The Israeli Knesset approved the discriminatory Prawer-Begin Bill, by 43 votes to 40, for the mass expulsion of the Bedouin. If implemented fully, it will result in the destruction of 35 villages plus the forced displacement of up to 70,000 Arab citizens of Israel, as well as the dispossession of their historical lands in the Negev. Despite the Bedouin community's complete rejection of the plan and an outcry from the international community and human rights groups, the Prawer Plan is happening right now.


  3. {...}

    Max Blumenthal, author of "Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel", is also a film-maker of some repute who has spent much time exposing racism in Israel. In a recent article in the New York Times, he also reached for the if-word and observed: "If a shift is underway in Israeli politics, it is primarily tonal. Israel's rightists intend to carry on the Zionist project as originally conceived, but without the pretence of democracy. In a way, their honesty is refreshing."

    The article attracted a wave of angry comments from extremists in the Zionist community who were angry that the NYT had given column inches to Blumenthal. Like most pro-Israel lobbyists they wanted to close down the debate over the failure of their project in Israel.

    Yet there shouldn't even be a debate, for the early Zionists made no secret of their intentions and views on equality. The late Dr David Eder told a court of inquiry back in 1921, when he was head of the Zionist Commission: "There can be only one National Home in Palestine, and that a Jewish one, and no equality in the partnership between Jews and Arabs, but a Jewish preponderance as soon as the numbers of the race are sufficiently increased."

    A few years earlier the American King-Crane Commission spent six weeks in Syria and Palestine, investigating the intentions and goals of Zionists. Its report stated: "The commissioners began their study of Zionism with minds predisposed in its favour... The fact came out repeatedly in the Commission's conferences with Jewish representatives that the Zionists looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the present non-Jewish inhabitants of Palestine."

    In 1940, a director of the JNF, Joseph Weitz, stated: "It must be clear that there is no room for both peoples in this country... there is no way besides transferring the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, to transfer them all; except maybe for Bethlehem, Nazareth and Old Jerusalem, we must not leave a single village, not a single tribe."

    If proof were needed that Zionism is racism, then the evidence has been amassed over the past century and is now there for all to see. That it has taken the likes of alleged war criminal Tzipi Livni to remove the rose-tinted spectacles from the eyes of some in the Knesset is a bitter-sweet irony.

    If the ultra-right win in the forthcoming elections and completely engulf the Zionist State, enabling it to push on with its racist policies, then it is clear that Israel's brain drain crisis will continue as more highly educated, entrepreneurial and talented Jews migrate back to Europe or America. Israel itself has a lot to lose by an even more determined push to the right.

    If certainly is a big word, and it certainly can have serious consequences.

    1. If racism is so horrible to arabs inside Israel?

      they are FREE to leave.

    2. No, thy are not.
      The Israeli have closed the seaport, destroyed the airport.
      Th Palestinians are prisoners, in their own land

    3. Three key features characterize Israeli apartheid:

      • Four million Palestinians in the Occupied Territories lack the right to vote for the government that controls their lives through a military occupation.

      In addition to controlling the borders, air space, water, tax revenues, and other vital matters pertaining to the Occupied Territories,
      Israel alone issues the identity cards that determine the ability of Palestinians to work and their freedom of movement.

      • About 1.2 million Palestinian Israelis, who make up 20 percent, or one-fifth, of Israel’s population, have second-class citizenship within Israel, ...
      ... which defines itself as a Jewish state rather than a state for all its citizens.

      More than 20 provisions of Israel’s principal laws discriminate, either directly or indirectly, against non-Jews, according to Adalah: The Legal Center for Minority Rights in Israel.

      Millions of Palestinians remain refugees in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and elsewhere, unable to return to their former homes ...
      ... and land in present-day Israel.

      Even though the right of return for refugees is enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

  4. Even the most obtuse (and, that's sayin' a mouthful) members of congress can see that this ISIS kerfuffle is on its way to being over.

    Time to find another "outrage!"

    1. When Kobane did not fall, the writing was on the wall

    2. I was, actually, a little surprised by that one. I mean, hell, a small town in their own back yard - and, as reticent as we were to get involved it the first place?

      It was very telling, that they weren't able to close the deal on that one.

  5. A poll commissioned by The Jerusalem Post and Ma’ariv found that 60 percent of Israelis do not want Netanyahu as their next prime minister. According to a Channel 2 poll, 65 percent want a new leader.

    Nevertheless, both polls continued to find that Netanyahu’s Likud Party will remain the largest faction in the Knesset following the election, meaning the leader of Likud is most likely to be chosen by the president to form the next government.

    But what if Netanyahu were no longer the leader of Likud?

    Likud is scheduled to have a primary election ahead of the national vote, and Netanyahu has some serious challengers to his position as party chief.

    The Jerusalem Post poll revealed that most Likud voters would by a sizable margin prefer either former Welfare Minister Moshe Kahlon or former Interior Minister Gideon Sa’ar to take over as head of the faction.

    Kahlon left Likud several years ago, and has announced the formation of his own party that is expected to win at least 10 seats in the upcoming election. Sa’ar recently temporarily resigned from politics, but is said to be considering an immediate comeback to challenge Netanyahu.

    Meanwhile, current opposition leader and Labor Party chief Isaac Herzog is declaring on an almost daily basis that he will be Israel’s next prime minister. If the will of the people as reflected in the above surveys holds, Herzog might just be right.

  6. ... the ugly face of Jewish apartheid ... :-D)

    Leave or let live? More Arabs move in to Jewish neighborhoods of Jerusalem

    Little noticed amid the furor over one of Israel’s most contentious policies, a small but growing number of Arabs are moving into Jewish settlements in east Jerusalem, drawn by cheaper rent and better services.

    But in the neighborhood of French Hill, around Mount Scopus where the Hebrew University is based and many Arabs study, about 16 percent of residents are Arab citizens of Israel, according to the Central Bureau of Statistics.

    While the high proportion of Arab residents in French Hill and Mount Scopus is probably exceptional, the trend is visible in other east Jerusalem neighborhoods too.

    Moussab Abu Ramouz, an Arab who works in a supermarket in Neveh Ya’acov but lives in Beit Hanina, said rents in his area were up to 25% more expensive than in the settlement, which also has better public transport.

    1. Meanwhile, in the so-called PA and Gaza, Jews are not allowed.

      ... just in from Jordan: "Death to Jews"!

    2. Why are there "Jewish" Neighborhoods?
      "Arab" neighborhoods?

      Why are there just not neighborhoods, as there would be in any free society

      It is the designation of 'neighborhoods' that signifies, illustrates and exemplifies the Apartheid System the Zionists have implemented in Occupied Palestine.

    3. • Four million Palestinians in the Occupied Territories lack the right to vote for the government that controls their lives through a military occupation.

      In addition to controlling the borders, air space, water, tax revenues, and other vital matters pertaining to the Occupied Territories, Israel alone issues the identity cards that determine the ability of Palestinians to work and their freedom of movement.

  7. Facing Threats From ISIS And Iran, Gulf States Set To Join Forces

    Past attempts at a pan-Arab force have failed over political differences and disagreements over basing the force in one country, says Gulf security analyst Mustafa Alalani.

    "This is not a military force, it's a unified command," he says.

    Every country has to donate air and sea power, according to the size of their military, Alalani says. It's a rapid deployment force, he explains, modeled on NATO's military structures.

    "The Saudis and the UAE are gearing up to take a much harder line," says Faisel Yafai, a columnist for The National, an English language newspaper in the United Arab Emirates.

    "They have shifted. They are now doing this front and center," he says.

  8. Deuce ☂Mon Dec 08, 08:18:00 PM EST

    A particular point I wanted to highlight to the Irish Times was that the book emphasises that not only does the Israeli lobby not command the loyalty of all of the Jewish community but even more significantly it is critically dependent on unstinting support from the ‘Christian Right’, along with associated neo-conservative etc. elements.
    This broad-based support from conservative Christians, across the spectrum from ‘End-Timer’ fundamentalists to more moderate Evangelical churches is increasingly clear and was acknowledged for example in Montefiore’s ‘Jerusalem the Biography’ (2011) which demonstrates its 19th century origins.

    Gosh, I guess my friend, Daniel Lapin is onto something after all. AIPAC is not the puppet master. Who would have known? :-D)))

    1. Re: Lapin

      American Alliance of Jews and Christians

      Lapin has declared that the Anti-Defamation League and its allies are, "dangerous organizations that are driving a wedge between American Jews and Christians."

      Lapin has received endorsements from Dave Ramsey, Dr. Kenneth L. Hutcherson, Dr. James Dobson, Dr. Pat Robertson, and Zig Ziglar. In 1998, he was recognized by Seattle Magazine as one of the "Four Faces of Faith" and featured in an article that included three other religious leaders. In 2007, he was named by Newsweek as one of the top 50 rabbis in America.

    2. Jews Have Debased American
      & Jewish Culture -

      Our Worst Enemy
      By Rabbi Daniel Lapin
      President, Toward Tradition

      You'd have to be a recent immigrant from Outer Mongolia not to know of the role that people with Jewish names play in the coarsening of our culture. Almost every American knows this. It is just that most gentiles are too polite to mention it.

    3. Is your 'good friend' one of those Self-Loathing Jews, allen?

  9. http://corp.bankofamerica.com/documents/10157/67594/NL-05-14-0926_f_Big%20Ship_Panamax_FINAL.pdf

    Growth in a Post-Panamax World
    The completion of the Panama Canal expansion is set to transform international trade across the Southeastern U.S.

  10. My the rat ass is working hard at it today.

    Really went nutz towards the end of the last thread.


    Here's a minor example:

    Jack HawkinsMon Dec 08, 06:58:00 PM EST

    Why would Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson presume to know who Mr Obama's 'friends' are?

    Bob OreilleMon Dec 08, 09:45:00 PM EST

    His 'friends' I was referencing are the compliant press, up to this point, nitwit.

    "Despite Obama's apparent rage against the press, he hasn't had much to complain about. The Media Research Center documented how journalists covered-up his failures and scandals.......... "

    Read the article Jack 'Ass' Hawkins.


    The Crapper obviously didn't get his 'beauty sleep' last night. And got taken apart by the Quirkster, who tore himself away from the ladies at Fox News to do his Elephant Bar duty, as disgusting a task as it truly is.....

    Hahahaha hardeharhar

    What a FOOL is our rat hole.

    1. What a "summer FOOL" is our rat hole.

      * from the discussion concerning the difference between a summer fool and a winter fool between the Hero Robert Jordan and the Russian officer in 'For Whom the Bell Tolls'.

      Yup, rat hole is a summer fool, you can tell he is a fool immediately, even from across the street........

      Whereas with a winter fool, in Russia, one must wait until he takes off his great coat before you can be sure he a fool.......

    2. Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson crawls out of his coward's nest, and says nothing.
      The "Press", they are not Mr Obama's friends. They are hired corporate shills.

      None of the 'reporters' or 'editors' make policy.
      None set the tone of the media outlets.

      That is done at the corporate level.
      Done by Mr Murdock, Mr Slim, Mr Roberts and Moonves, etc.

      Mr Obama is not running for reelection, he has no friends in the media.
      Those that own the mass media, they have no friends, either, they also have interests.
      If a politician wants a friend, in Washington, New York or Los Angeles, they buy a dog.

  11. More Jews and Arab-Israelis would live together were it not for that little matter of the death penalty for transferring title to Jews. Things are changing, however.

    It is possible that at some point Arab-Israeli politicians might start making inroads into the so-called PA, giving its "citizens", who were supposed to have an election in 2009, a real political voice in their governance, undermining Fatah hacks in the process. Perhaps, Arab-Israeli politicians will assign themselves, through their party in the Knesset, to certain districts within the so-called PA. In this way, Palestinians might see a way to have a voice in the Knesset. If this voice is empowering, Fatah will have a problem. This "other than the front door" approach might bring a single state solution closer to fruition.

    1. Obviously, Israel will have to take every precaution to keep its Arab-Israeli politicians alive in the process. Abu Mazen and company do not like competition above ground.

    2. allen's bull ordure just keeps flowing ...

      The Israeli government has, to a large extent, continued the Ottoman legal system in regard to land ownership. 

      Thus, today the vast proportion of land within the State of Israel (roughly 93%) is owned and managed either by the Israel Lands Administration (ILA) or the JNF.  This figure includes much of such extensive regions as the Negev and the Judean Wilderness (near the Dead Sea), which are sparsely populated. 

      Jewish settlements in the State of Israel usually are located on lands that are owned by the ILA or the JNF and that have been consigned to each settlement through long-term leases. 

      Less than 7% of the land in the State of Israel is privately owned.


    3. The US Government 'owns' lots of land in Idaho.

      Most here like it like that.

      Keeps the rats away.

      rats are too lazy and too dumb and too uninterested to explore it and enjoy it. They sit behind computers and make fools out of themselves day after day after day, once in a while muttering about how the National Forests ought to be sold out to the highest SuperRich bidder, folks like Ted Turner, or Bill Gates, or Lester Crown.

      They have no appreciation for nature, nor, obviously, the sounds and sights of nature.....

      Their lose, everyone else's gain.

  12. So we hear now these winter days that we are going to train the Iraqis to fight ISIS.

    And here I thought we had already trained the Iraqis.

    Many of whom defected to ISIS, just as many of these new Sunni trainees will do.

    If we train only Shias, whom we, again, had trained before, we will be contributing to a religious war............which some feel actually might make some sense..........train them to kill another...........

    1. Your thinking always has been flawed, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson.

      Those Sunni that are the mainstays of the Daesh are officers from Saddam's Army, the one the US disbanded, right after the Mission was Accomplished.

    2. Many of Saddam's officers are leading ISIS, it is true.

      Many of the foot soldiers switched sides from the Iraqi Army and joined ISIS.

      These were people we had once helped train, Jack "War Criminal and Professional Asshole" Hawkins.

  13. allenMon Dec 08, 09:38:00 PM EST
    Deuce ☂Mon Dec 08, 08:18:00 PM EST

    A particular point I wanted to highlight to the Irish Times was that the book emphasises that not only does the Israeli lobby not command the loyalty of all of the Jewish community but even more significantly it is critically dependent on unstinting support from the ‘Christian Right’, along with associated neo-conservative etc. elements.
    This broad-based support from conservative Christians, across the spectrum from ‘End-Timer’ fundamentalists to more moderate Evangelical churches is increasingly clear and was acknowledged for example in Montefiore’s ‘Jerusalem the Biography’ (2011) which demonstrates its 19th century origins.

    Gosh, I guess my friend, Daniel Lapin is onto something after all. AIPAC is not the puppet master. Who would have known? :-D)))

    1. That is my topic for conversation and amusement.

    2. Jews Have Debased American & Jewish Culture -
      By Rabbi Daniel Lapin
      President, Toward Tradition

      The fun never stops.

    3. It is not only in movies that Jews besmirch Jews as sexualizing the culture. Ruth Westheimer told The New York Times of her love for Judaism, Israel, and the Jewish people. Meanwhile, as Dr. Ruth, with her grandmotherly appearance and her high-pitched Jewish accent, she titillates her audiences with shockingly explicit sexual advice.

      Radio shock-jock Howard Stern intersperses his displays of dehumanizing depravity with a constant stream of "Oy veys" as if subconsciously compelled to highlight his Jewish ethnicity.

      Jerry Springer, widely known as the Jewish former mayor of Cincinnati, normalizes depravity by projecting a deviant sub-culture and its cheering hooligans right into America's living room.

      A few years ago, the Los Angeles Jewish Journal gushingly profiled a Jewish pornographer whose stage name is Ron Jeremy. The piece praised the huge sums he's been paid to "bed more gorgeous women than James Bond." Jeremy, who proudly admits to have acted in or directed over 1,500 porn videos, cited the preponderance of Jewish men in porn and explained, "Jewish families tend to be more liberal than Christian ones, they aren't obsessed by the fear of the devil or going to hell." As if to eliminate any lingering doubt about Ron Jeremy's Jewishness, the Jewish Journal breathlessly assures us that Ron Jeremy plans to marry in a synagogue.

  14. To the readers of the blog.

    Jack Hawkins is incapable of speaking truth.

    Jack HawkinsMon Dec 08, 09:17:00 PM EST
    No, thy are not.
    The Israeli have closed the seaport, destroyed the airport.
    Th Palestinians are prisoners, in their own land

    The above statement once again proves his lies.

    The arabs of Israel are free to leave at any time.

    The arabs of gaza? may leave thru egypt IF their fellow brother arabs allow them

    Gaza is not Israel.

    However the possibility that the west bank and gaza might be conquered by Israel and the arabs removed? Is growing on a daily basis.

    1. Of course Gaza is part of Israel.

      Under Israeli military occupation, millions of Palestinians live in conditions which closely resemble the apartheid system that existed in South Africa:
      • No right of free speech, assembly or movement
      • Arrest and imprisonment without charge or trial
      • Torture
      • House searches without warrant
      • Assassination, extra-judicial murder
      • No right to vote for the Israeli government (even though it controls their lives)
      Israel controls all Palestinian borders, all imports and exports, and all movement between towns and cities. 

      THE GAZA STRIP, still surrounded, besieged and controlled by Israel, has been sealed off and effectively turned into the world’s largest open-air prison.

    2. If Gaza is not a part of Israel, what state is sovereign, there?

    3. The State of Gaza Hamas, dumbshit.

      You know, the ones that use the place to launch rockets into Israel, instead of getting to work and making something of the place.

      There is not a Jew living in all of Gaza.

    4. There is no such state, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson.
      The US does not recognize it, the Israeli do not recognize it, the UN does not recognize it.

      Try again ...


    5. Israel controls all Palestinian borders, all imports and exports, and all movement between towns and cities.

      THE GAZA STRIP, still surrounded, besieged and controlled by Israel, has been sealed off and effectively turned into the world’s largest open-air prison.

      Gaza is part of Israel, just as Mosul is part of Iraq.
      That there is a civil war going on in Israel, has been since 1948, a little piece of reality the Zionist pretend does not exist.
      The media in the US assists the Zionists in their stage play, which is understandable, illustrated by the fact that Leslie Moonves is Ben-Gurien's nephew.

    6. Your sense of reality lacks...

      But with any luck at all?

      Gaza will be free from arabs in the near future.

    7. Answer the simple question, "O"rdure ...
      What state is sovereign in Gaza, if not Israel?

      What foreign state does Israel acknowledge as being sovereign, in Gaza?

  15. If you weren't such a dumbfuck, bob, you would realize that the Iraqi Army is already kicking the headcutters' asses from Beiji, to Amerijah al Fallujah, and points in between.

    1. If you weren't such a dumbfuck, Rufus, you would realize that they are not.

    2. Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson is beyond foolish, he denies reality.
      His delusions have overwhelmed his sense of self.

      His denial of his own past, of his own personal story is destroying him.

      It is one of the reasons he drinks to excess, so often.
      Why when he does get inebriated, the truth comes out.

      In Vino Veritas.

      BobSun Jun 22, 01:42:00 PM EDT

      When did I ever say I was a scholar??

      I don't recall saying that.

      I have a college degree in English Lit. from U of Washington.

      To avoid being drafted in part. ...

    3. If the Iraqi Army is doing so well, how come we have to go back and train them again?

      How come we are sending 'advisors'? Special Forces, that is, ground troops?

      How come we are doing bombing here and there?

      It's all your fault for voting for O'bozo, you just don't want to admit it - your O'bozo took the troops out way too soon and now we are in a Big Pickle.


    4. The fact that Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson does not believe US military men, indicative of his Draft Dodging past.
      He continues to bash the US and its military.
      He truly is a traitorous piece of ordure.

      KUWAIT CITY — Islamic State fighters have lost the initiative in Iraq and are now "on defense" with far less ability to generate the kind of ground maneuvers that enabled the extremists to capture large chunks of Iraq earlier this year, a senior U.S. general said Monday.

      Army Lt. Gen. James Terry, the top commander of Operation Inherent Resolve knows of what he speaks, more so than a Draft Dodger from Idaho.
      Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, a coward that has never left the United States, but feels empowered to tell us that Generals in the US Army are liars.

    5. Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson claims that anyone that does not agree with him are liars, dummies, fools ...
      ... but the truth of it, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson has no sources, but the American Stinker another anti-US mouthpiece of agitprop propaganda.

  16. Put me on record; there will not be an ISIS in Iraq on July 4th, 2015.

    1. And, maybe not even on Memorial Day.

    2. Shit, Rufus, that's only eight months away.

      Sure you don't want to amend it to at least July 4th, 2016?

    3. You really don't have a clue.

    4. There's not a headcutter in Iraq that would buy a 12 month savings bond.

      As crazy as they are, they know that they are dead men walking.

    5. Why is the Obama administration stressing that this will take years?

  17. Wiki tells us that the Iraqi Army has 283,000 troops in it.

    The US has sent U.S. 3,100 trainers and advisers.
    Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, trainers and advisers are not ground troops.
    They are trainers and advisers.

    Now there are around 1,000 Iraqi troops for every trainer and adviser the US has in that country.
    Do the math, if there are tens of thousands of Daesh, 3,100 US troops, they rally are trainers and advisers.
    One US trooper per battalion of Iraqis.

    Which is not how it is done.
    We will have identified the premier prospects and will send about a dozen trainers and advisers to each battalion that is being trained.

    The training that was done during the occupation was attempted by US soldiers and Marines that were neither trained nor qualified for the task. The US military has, historically, disdained training local forces. There is no empire building opportunities for the US Generals in that mission profile.

  18. Rufus IIMon Dec 08, 10:29:00 PM EST

    Put me on record; there will not be an ISIS in Iraq on July 4th, 2015.


    You must be drinking heavily tonight, Rufus.

    No one wonder you always playing poker at Doyle's.

    No wagering restraint......


    1. No wonder you always lost playing poker at Doyle's.

  19. http://www.startribune.com/world/285112791.html

    KUWAIT CITY — Islamic State fighters have lost the initiative in Iraq and are now "on defense" with far less ability to generate the kind of ground maneuvers that enabled the extremists to capture large chunks of Iraq earlier this year, a senior U.S. general said Monday.

    Army Lt. Gen. James Terry, the top commander of Operation Inherent Resolve, the U.S. campaign to defeat IS, also said the nascent effort to rebuild Iraq's army will soon get a boost from coalition countries that plan to commit roughly 1,500 military trainers. Much of the Iraq army collapsed or proved ineffective in the face of IS's onslaught last summer.

    In his first extensive interview since taking command of the counter-Islamic State campaign in October, Terry told a small group of reporters that IS is "on defense, trying to hold what they have gained." He added that the group, which is armed with tanks and other U.S.-made war equipment captured from the Iraqi army, is "still able to conduct some limited attacks."

    Terry said his first priority is to develop more fully an international military coalition against IS.

    The U.S. intervened directly starting in August with airstrikes that have damaged IS's fighting force, as well as its economic and logistics bases in Syria. But questions remain about the Iraqis' ability to retake the ground they lost and to sustain a military campaign with President Barack Obama ruling out the use of American ground combat forces.

    Terry said he sees no need now for additional U.S. troops in Iraq beyond the extra 1,500 that Obama recently approved. The U.S. mission there is limited to training and advising the Iraqis, as well as coordinating U.S. air power with Iraq ground operations.

  20. A source in Iraqi security told AFP Arabic that US and allied air strikes had killed about 100 fighters near Mosul on Saturday. The fighter jets concentrated on weapons depots and medium and heavy weapons (tanks, armored vehicles), but it is being alleged that they hit a Daesh military HQ, accounting for the large casualty count..

    In Ramadi west of Baghdad, Daesh ambushed Iraqi troops sent out to deal with them, and had set roadside bombs as part of the ambush. Still, the Iraqi Air Force bombed Daesh positions inside Mosul on Saturday.

    Meanwhile the Kurdistan Peshmerga or paramilitary is planning an attack Talafar, a largely Turkmen town in the north, and kick Daesh (ISIL) our of it. Turkmen are split between Sunni and Shiite, with the Sunnis having been Baathists for the most part. These latter are now often supporting fundamentalist forces. The US had ethnically cleansed Talafar of its Sunni Turkmen, creating a Shiite majority. But when Daesh conquered the city this summer, many Shiite Turkmen were forced to flee.

    The US and coalition air strikes on Saturday hit Daesh positions around Talafar in the north, presumably to soften them up in preparation for the Peshmerga advance.

    In Syria, Daesh tried to take a military base in Deir al-Zor in the east of the country, and as of this writing appears to have failed. The Syrian army rallied to push the fundamentalists back.

    Needed: 7200 Virgins

  21. 46 Strikes since the 5th

    They're gonna run out of virgins, sure as shittin'.

  22. Filed Under: World, Syrian Civil War

    UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Syria asked the United Nations Security Council on Monday to impose sanctions on neighboring Israel, a day after accusing the Jewish state of bombing areas near Damascus international airport and in the town of Dimas, near the border with Lebanon.

    Israel has struck Syria several times since the start of the three-year conflict, mostly destroying weaponry such as missiles that Israeli officials said were destined for their long-time foe Hezbollah in Lebanon.

    In a letter to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and Chad, Security Council president for December, Syria said that "such aggressions will not stop it from fighting terrorism in all its forms and manifestation across the entire territory of Syria."

    1. The ISraeli flying combat air operations in support of al-Qeada, again

      Proving that the Israeli policy towards the Alawites, Christians and Kurds in Syria has not changed since Septembr 2013 when the Israeli Ambassador to the US, Mr Oren told the JPost ...

      Israel would accept al-Qaeda operatives taking power in Syria.


  23. World Europe
    Russian scientist spies mountain-sized asteroid heading our way

    In a video posted online Sunday, astrophysicist Vladimir Lipunov says the newly discovered asteroid could collide with Earth during its three-year orbital cycle. A giant meteor exploded over a Russian city in 2013.
    By Fred Weir, Correspondent December 8, 2014
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    A video from the Russian Space Agency looks at a potential collision between Earth and a 'mountain-sized' asteroid.

    Moscow — A Russian astrophysicist says his team has located a huge, mountain-sized asteroid whose orbit crosses the Earth's every three years.

    Even though experts say the giant object, known as 2014 UR116, poses no immediate threat of collision, its unexpected discovery underscores how little is still known about asteroids and their unpredictable orbits.

    Vladimir Lipunov, a professor at Moscow State University, announced the find in a short documentary, "Asteroid Attack," posted on the website of the Russian Space Agency on Sunday. Mr. Lipunov says the asteroid, which he calculates is 370 meters in diameter, could hit the Earth with an explosion 1,000 times greater than the surprise 2013 impact of a bus-sized meteor in Russia. That object entered Earth’s atmosphere over the city of Chelyabinsk, resulting in a series of ferocious blasts that blew out windows and damaged buildings for miles around.

    In the film, Lipunov says it's difficult to calculate the orbit of big objects like 2014 UR116 because, as they hurtle through the solar system, their trajectories are constantly being altered by the gravitational pull of nearby planets. "We need to permanently track this asteroid, because even a small mistake in calculations could have serious consequences," he said.

    There is little indication that this particular asteroid could hit the Earth in the next few decades, though over a much longer period a collision looks quite likely, says Natan Esmant, an expert with the official Space Research Institute in Moscow. A more serious issue, he says, is the estimated 100,000 near-Earth objects, such as asteroids and comets, which can cross our planet's orbit and are large enough to be dangerous. Only about 11,000 have so far been tracked and cataloged.

    "Every couple of days new ones are being discovered," he says. "Scientists have increasingly powerful tools to do this work, but there's a lot still to be done. Every object that crosses the Earth's path can be a potential threat."

    Since the Chelyabinsk meteor, which came as a complete surprise to experts, scientists have been warning about the danger and trying to pool their data in order to get a clearer picture of the swarms of debris that are lurking in space. Scientists use conventional telescopes, radar and infrared detectors to hunt asteroids. The first satellite specifically designed to identify asteroids was launched last year.

    A movement of scientists, astronauts, musicians, and businesspeople have launched a campaign to dramatize the danger and seek ways of protecting Earth from what seems like an inevitable destructive collision. They declared June 30, 2015, the world's first Asteroid Day.


  24. Unhappy?

    Just wait............

    >>>“I view this as a first-order discovery about human beings that will outlive us by hundreds of years,” Oswald told Rauch. Although that’s over the top, these researchers are clearly on to something. What they’ve confirmed is what common sense suggests: There are life-cycle rhythms to contentment and happiness. What’s (perhaps) surprising is that, for many, the best years are the later ones.<<<

    The happiness curve

    By Robert J. Samuelson December 7

    We all want to be happy, don’t we? Well, if you’re dissatisfied, frustrated or downright miserable, cheer up. There’s apparently a cure for you. Even better, it will materialize automatically. Just sit and wait; the very anticipation of its arrival might improve your spirits. The remedy: getting older.

    It’s counterintuitive. In our mind’s eye, old age is to be endured as much as enjoyed. People fear declining health, growing dependence and increasing social isolation. But on average, they also count themselves happier. Consult public opinion surveys, and that’s what you find. Almost 40 percent of Americans 65 and older rated themselves “very happy” compared with only 33 percent of those 35 to 49, report surveys by the National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago.

    This is not just an American quirk.......


    It's not just an American quirk, Quirk. You will get over your craving for Maria. Just wait. You will love Maria in a purer more noble and compassionate way. It's actually quite in line with Joe Campbell, who talked of the struggles of going through the life stages..........only to arrive, finally, at the older years, and, looking back with some humor and some hard won added wisdom, wondering......

    "What all the hullabaloo was about"

    Especially the sexual hullabaloo.

    noun: hullabaloo; plural noun: hullabaloos

    a commotion, a fuss. hue and cry, uproar, outcry, clamor, storm, furor, hubbub, ruckus, brouhaha

  25. Did you hear about 2014 UR116, the recently discovered asteroid that's as big as a mountain and could endanger Earth every three years? If so, never mind.

    NASA's asteroid experts are knocking down that claim, which came mostly from Russian news media. "While this approximately 400-meter-sized asteroid has a three-year orbital period around the sun and returns to the Earth's neighborhood periodically, it does not represent a threat because its orbital path does not pass sufficiently close to the Earth's orbit," NASA's Near Earth Object Program Office said in a statement issued Monday.

    1. That takes a load off my mind.


    2. The Rooskies are just trying to distract attention from the Ukraine.

  26. It's not your grandparents Presbyterian Church any longer -

    The Presbyterian Church USA’s Terrorist Ties
    December 9, 2014 by Ari Lieberman 1 Comment

    Ari Lieberman is an attorney and former prosecutor.

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    On April 18, 1983, an explosive laden truck driven by a Hezbollah terrorist slammed into the U.S. embassy in Beirut killing 63 people, including 17 Americans, some of whom were CIA operatives. According to the CIA, it was the most lethal attack ever against the Agency. Just six months later, Hezbollah terrorists struck again, this time hitting the U.S. Marine compound in Beirut. In a repeat of the embassy bombing, a Hezbollah homicide bomber crashed his explosive laden truck into the barracks killing 220 marines and another 21 U.S. service personnel. It was the largest single-day loss of life sustained by the marines since Iwo Jima.

    Hezbollah’s atrocities against the United States and its allies did not cease with the embassy and marine compound outrages and have in fact, continued unabated in intensity and scope since that time. Hezbollah has recently carried out a global campaign of terror spanning five continents including an attack and bombing of a civilian tourist bus in Bulgaria that resulted in the deaths of six civilians.

    Despite Hezbollah’s involvement in international terrorism and its designation as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) by the United States, the Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA) has had extensive contacts with the organization according to a federal complaint filed by the legal advocacy group, Shurat HaDin, Israel Law center.

    The 38-page complaint filed with the Internal Revenue Service alleges that PCUSA has engaged in “a range of activities prohibited under U.S. tax law” which are wholly inconsistent with PCUSA’s stated aims when it filed for tax exempt status in 1964.

    In its 1964 filing with the IRS, PCUSA posed as a religious body whose purpose was to engage in “peaceful relationships with individuals of all faiths and wholly unengaged in political activities.” But the federal complaint filed by Shurat HaDin paints a completely different picture and alleges that PCUSA has repeatedly met and established dialogue with Hezbollah terrorist officials.

    The complaint also alleges that PCUSA violated its tax-exempt status by “publishing anti-Semitic materials, enacting a racist policy to divest from American companies doing business with Israel, lobbying the U.S. Congress, and distributing political advocacy materials…”

    1. Indeed, as far back as 2004 PCUSA officials met with Hezbollah operatives in Lebanon with one PCUSA official, perhaps in an attempt to endear himself to his Hezbollah hosts, making crude anti-Jewish remarks. Though PCUSA subsequently disavowed itself from the remarks as well as the meeting, PCUSA sanctioned meetings with Hezbollah continued.

      In October 2005, a PCUSA delegation headed by Robert Morley and Father Nihad Tomeh met with Nabil Qaouk, a senior Hezbollah commander in Lebanon. During the exchange, Qaouk complained that U.S. policies in the region were dictated by Israel. It is the same banal complaint often regurgitated by an assortment anti-Semitic groups and conspiracy types. Nevertheless, the delegation, rather than challenging Qaouk, concurred with him stating that PCUSA was blameless because its members had voted for the Democratic Party and the organization was under pressure from U.S. Jewish groups due to its divestment efforts against Israel.

      The Israel-Palestine Mission Network of the PCUSA has been engaged in a relentless effort to delegitimize Israel. As detailed by the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), the IPMN has been linked to a number of anti-Israel initiatives the most notorious of which is a malevolent publication called “Zionism Unsettled.”

      “Zionism Unsettled” adopts a viscerally anti-Israel narrative, in line with the views of Hamas and has won praise from the who’s who of Judeophobes including former KKK “Grand Wizard” David Duke. Among its many pernicious lies is that Jews had “harmonious relations” with Muslims prior to the ascendancy of Zionism and that Zionism is the sole cause for Palestinian suffering. The screed was peddled and offered for sale on PCUSA’s website and was taken down only after encountering extremely negative feedback and intense public pressure.

      PCUSA took its anti-Israel political advocacy to new levels when in June 2014, its General Assembly voted by a narrow margin to attack Israel’s legitimacy by divesting itself from three companies doing business with Israel. A similar resolution in 2012 failed but remains testament to the relentless effort PCUSA places on political advocacy when it comes to harming relations with the Jewish State.

      PCUSA, by both word and deed, has made itself out to be a leading purveyor of anti-Semitism. Its divestment initiatives hold Israel to a standard expected of no other nation. By peddling an anti-Semitic screed on its website, it becomes an integral party to anti-Semitism. By meeting and maintaining dialogue with Hezbollah, a Foreign Terrorist Organization that next to al-Qaida was responsible for more American deaths than any other terrorist group, it provides aid and comfort to the enemy.

      In 1964, PCUSA presented itself to the IRS as a benign religious organization with an apolitical agenda. The facts however, prove otherwise. As Shurat HaDin’s founder, Nitsana Darshan-Leitner accurately summed it up in an email to me; “The Presbyterian church long ago abounded any claim that they are not a political organization with ties to terror groups and an Israel-bashing agenda. The IRS is obligated to investigate PCUSA and strip it from its tax free status. The PCUSA would need to decide ultimately whether they are a church or a political group.”

      Given the PCUSA’s aggressive political agenda and its anti-Israel machinations, it is patently clear that they’ve already made that decision.


      An extreme form of the illness affecting many 'main line' churches these days - politics.

  27. .

    Well, I see you guys moved on. Well, you didn't actually move on per se.


    After responding to rat on the last stream, I take off for a couple hours to work on a survey I'm helping my grandson with for a high school project, come back and we are on the same subject (with the usual digression to the Israeli war of words of course).

    Rufus IIMon Dec 08, 10:29:00 PM EST

    Put me on record; there will not be an ISIS in Iraq on July 4th, 2015.

    I still love the smell of optimism in the morning.

    As I recall back in September, Rufus was assuring us that by kicking our airstrikes up to 25 or so a day we could (I believe the word was) attrite 50-75% of the ISIS equipment in Iraq and that by New Year's Day IS would be well on its way to extinction. Given that, assuring there would be no ISIS in Iraq in July should be a no brainer. And I mean that is the best possible way.


    1. .

      Perhaps I'm just a glass half empty kind of guy but I just can't muster that kind of optimism.

      Of course, I didn't quite share rat's view from the last stream that Kobane has been a "smashing success" either.

      Since the rat has a habit of asking questions but not bothering to go back and check if they have been answered, I'll re-post part of my response to him from the last stream,

      As to the rat's characterization of the Kobane operation as a 'smashing success' I have to smile at the hyperbole. I can only assume the rat has grown comfortable with the concept of the 'long war'. While the IS push into Kobane has been blunted, as far as I know, after four months the dead men walking are still walking in parts of Kobane and the situation remains fluid. IMO, had the US acted earlier and with more vigor we might really have had what could have been described as a 'smashing success' in Kobane. Now, not so much.

      Hell, in a couple months the Battle of Kobane will have lasted as long as the Battle of Stalingrad.


      I would only add that the fighting continues in Kobane and the hundreds of thousands of refugees that were forced out of Kobane remain refugees. When those two things change, we can talk of victories but I still doubt I would call it a 'smashing success'. But that's just me.


    2. Smashing Success, Legionnaire Q, is the reality that Kobane did not fall to the Daesh.
      A smashing success occurred when the Iraqi Security Forces deployed to Kobane, illustrating the solidarity between the Iraqis and Syrians, in their battle against radical Islam.

      We could go back and se where the Legion of Gloom all were sure that Kobane was gong to be taken, by the forces of Daesh. It did not happen. That is success.

      How long the Battle of Kobane takes, is not important. All that matters, the Daesh did not, will not, prevail.
      If the Iraqi Security Forces had sent a battalion, rather than a company of troops, the outcome would come quicker.

    3. The Rat Doctrine, Legionnaire Q, is a tactical doctrine, more so than a Strategic one.
      So while there could be problems with the US strategy, with regards to Syrian refugees and such, the military tactics being employed, they are ... a smashing success.

    4. US casualties in the Battle of Kobane ...

      ZERO No US troops wounded, no US troops killed.
      The Daesh advance has been halted.

      That is, definitively speaking a ...
      Smashing Success

  28. ... still my topic and a source of amusement ... Until Christians decide to abandon Israel, Israel will continue to have strong support in the US. Read 'em and weep.

    allenMon Dec 08, 09:38:00 PM EST
    Deuce ☂Mon Dec 08, 08:18:00 PM EST

    A particular point I wanted to highlight to the Irish Times was that the book emphasises that not only does the Israeli lobby not command the loyalty of all of the Jewish community but even more significantly it is critically dependent on unstinting support from the ‘Christian Right’, along with associated neo-conservative etc. elements.
    This broad-based support from conservative Christians, across the spectrum from ‘End-Timer’ fundamentalists to more moderate Evangelical churches is increasingly clear and was acknowledged for example in Montefiore’s ‘Jerusalem the Biography’ (2011) which demonstrates its 19th century origins.

    Gosh, I guess my friend, Daniel Lapin is onto something after all. AIPAC is not the puppet master. Who would have known? :-D)))

    1. Jews Have Debased American & Jewish Culture -
      By Rabbi Daniel Lapin
      President, Toward Tradition

      Is Daniel Lapin another of the Self-Loathing Jews we read so much about, from the Zionist contingent, here at the Elephant Bar?

    2. You'd have to be a recent immigrant from Outer Mongolia not to know of the role that people with Jewish names play in the coarsening of our culture. Almost every American knows this. It is just that most gentiles are too polite to mention it.
      - Daniel Lapin

      It is amusing, to read the words of those who allen claims to be friends with.

  29. http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/.premium-1.630645

    Netanyahu lands unexpected endorsement: the Boycott Israel movement
    Omar Barghouti credits the prime minister for the BDS movement's success in recent years.

    1. "We’ve got to give credit to Netanyahu," Barghouti said in remarks quoted on the pro-BDS Mondoweiss website. "Without him we could not have reached this far, at this time".

      "It could have taken much, much, much, much longer, but with the help of the Israeli government, our biggest closet supporters in the world, we’re going much faster".

    2. "The latest discussion in Israel about the Jewish nation state law has brought to the fore the very possibility of the unraveling of the entire Zionist project. And these are not my words, these are the words of certain very important leaders in Israel."


  30. Former Mossad chief: For the first time, I fear for the future of Zionism

    The nation of Israel is galloping blindly toward Bar Kochba's war on the Roman Empire. The result of that conflict was 2,000 years of exile.
    By Shabtai Shavit

    ... The debate over the price of Milky pudding snacks and its centrality in public discourse demonstrate an erosion of the solidarity that is a necessary condition for our continued existence here. Israelis’ rush to acquire a foreign passport, based as it is on the yearning for foreign citizenship, indicates that people’s feeling of security has begun to crack.

    I am concerned that for the first time, I am seeing haughtiness and arrogance, together with more than a bit of the messianic thinking that rushes to turn the conflict into a holy war. If this has been, so far, a local political conflict that two small nations have been waging over a small and defined piece of territory, major forces in the religious Zionist movement are foolishly doing everything they can to turn it into the most horrific of wars, in which the entire Muslim world will stand against us.

    I also see, to the same extent, detachment and lack of understanding of international processes and their significance for us. This right wing, in its blindness and stupidity, is pushing the nation of Israel into the dishonorable position of “the nation shall dwell alone and not be reckoned among the nations” (Numbers 23:9).

    I am concerned because as I understand matters, exile is truly frightening only to the state’s secular sector, whose world view is located on the political center and left. That is the sane and liberal sector that knows that for it, exile symbolizes the destruction of the Jewish people. The Haredi sector lives in Israel only for reasons of convenience. In terms of territory, Israel and Brooklyn are the same to them; they will continue living as Jews in exile, and wait patiently for the arrival of the Messiah.

    The religious Zionist movement, by comparison, believes the Jews are “God’s chosen.” This movement, which sanctifies territory beyond any other value, is prepared to sacrifice everything, even at the price of failure and danger to the Third Commonwealth. If destruction should take place, they will explain it in terms of faith, saying that we failed because “We sinned against God.” Therefore, they will say, it is not the end of the world. We will go into exile, preserve our Judaism and wait patiently for the next opportunity.

    I recall Menachem Begin, one of the fathers of the vision of Greater Israel. He fought all his life for the fulfillment of that dream. And then, when the gate opened for peace with Egypt, the greatest of our enemies, he gave up Sinai – Egyptian territory three times larger than Israel’s territory inside the Green Line – for the sake of peace. In other words, some values are more sacred than land. Peace, which is the life and soul of true democracy, is more important than land.

    I am concerned that large segments of the nation of Israel have forgotten, or put aside, the original vision of Zionism: to establish a Jewish and democratic state for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel. No borders were defined in that vision, and the current defiant policy is working against it.

    What can and ought to be done? We need to create an Archimedean lever that will stop the current deterioration and reverse today’s reality at once. I propose creating that lever by using the Arab League’s proposal from 2002, which was partly created by Saudi Arabia. The government must make a decision that the proposal will be the basis of talks with the moderate Arab states, led by Saudi Arabia and Egypt.


    1. When the Wahhabi funding the Daesh and al-Qeada are described as Moderates, by the Mossad, it becomes rather obvious that ...

      Mr Oren was not bull orduring us when he said, to the JPost ...

      Israel would accept al-Qaeda operatives taking power in Syria.


    2. Is that why Israel is HELPING the USA in fighting them?

      The world changes and you do not.

  31. The rat feces is up really early this morning. He may not have gone to bed. Maybe we will luck out and he will crash today and give us all some peace for awhile.

    1. rat dominates your mind of mush, what's left of it.Tue Dec 09, 08:59:00 AM EST

      Saturday, October 19, 2013
      1:52 PM

      Desert rat sighting

      Desert Rat Sighting !

    2. rat ass is the ass in the background, that's Prospector Joe in front.

    3. You just had to look.

  32. Fred Kaplan: Why the West is losing the war against ISIS

    Fred Kaplan, Special to National Post | November 3, 2014 11:44 AM

    More from Special to National Post

    Smoke and dust rise over Syrian town of Kobani after an airstrike
    Kutluhan Cucel/Getty Images)Smoke and dust rise over Syrian town of Kobani after an airstrike.

    The war against the Islamic State is quickly turning into a quagmire...............


    "A smashing success" - the rat

    1. - is one little battle in a bigger war, and even it is not a

      "smashing success"

      You're an idiot.

    2. Not at all, "Draft Dodger", the Rat Doctrine is a tactical venture, one that will keep US soldiers and Marines from getting killed. I know that is meaningless to a draft dodger, such as Robert Peterson, but civic minded citizens do care about the lives of their fellows.

      As for the "Bigger War", the failures, if there are failures, are not in the application of the Rat Doctrine.

  33. ISIS Claims 'Radioactive Device' Smuggled into Europe........

    If true, it's all part of Jack's "smashing success"

    1. There 'radioactive device' is in Kobane?

      Where is it, but in the recesses of your internalized paranoia?

    2. The 'radioactive device' is in Kobane?

    3. Should the US bomb Berlin, London or Paris, to destroy this rumored device?

      Should we utilize 'carpet bombing', strategic bombing or close air support?
      Perhaps you think that an invasion of France or Belgium is justified by this supposed threat?

  34. Hey Quirk, Jesse Waters is on "Outnumbered" !

    Right Now !

    Don't you wish it was you ?!?!!!

    Don't miss it, tune in now.....

    1. .

      You're nutz. Why would I watch those Bimbo's when the Senate summary report on torture is being presented on TV.


  35. 36. Dec 2013 – Benjamin Idim, CAR ACCIDENT
    37. Dec 2013 – Susan Hewitt – Deutsche Bank, DROWNING
    38. Nov 2013 – Patrick Sheehan, CAR ACCIDENT
    39. Nov 2013 – Michael Anthony Turner, Career Banker, CAUSE UNKOWN
    40. Nov 2013 – Venera Minakhmetova Former Financial Analyst at Bank of America Merrill Lynch, CYCLIST HIT
    41. Oct 2013 – Michael Burdin, SUICIDE
    42. Oct 2013 – Ezdehar Husainat – former JP Morgan banker, killed in FREAK ACCIDENT when her SUV crushed her to death
    43. Sept 2013 – Guy Ratovondrahona -Madagascar central bank, Sudden death – cause not confirmed
    44. Aug 2013 – Pierre Wauthier, SUICIDE
    45. Aug 2013 – Moritz Erhardt, SUICIDE
    46. July 2013 Hussain Najadi CEO of merchant bank AIAK Group, SHOT
    47. July 2013 Carsten Schloter, SUICIDE
    48. July 2013 Sascha Schornstein – RBS in its commodity finance, MISSING
    49. April 2013 David William Waygood, SUICIDE
    50. Mar 2013 – David Rossi – communications director of troubled Italian bank Monte dei Paschi di Siena (MPS), SUICIDE
    51. Fang Fang – JP Morgan, China, DISGRACED
    52. Nick Bagnall – Director at Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi, son accidentally killed himself while trying to re-enact a Tudor hanging
    53. Robin Clark – RP Martin -Wolf of Shenfield City banker shot, SURVIVED
    54. Kevin Bespolka – Citi Capital Advisors, Dresdner Bank, Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley, Seriously injured and son dead
    55. Robert Wheeler, 49, a Deutsche Bank financial advisor, DISGRACED
    56. Chris Latham – Bank of America, ON TRIAL, Murder for Hire
    57. Igor Artamonov – West Siberian Bank of Sberbank, Daughter found dead (POSSIBLE SUICIDE)

    1. 58. Hector Sants, Barclays – resigned due to stress and exhaustion, after being told he risked more serious consequences to his health if he continued to work – a remarkable turnaround as the Church reportedly approached him two months later and was told he had made a full recovery,
      59. April 21st Bruce A. Schaal, 63, died suddenly Banker in Twin Lakes for 35 years
      60. April 20th Keith Barnish 58, Died Suddenly (Still working as Senior Managing Director at Doral Financial Corporation. Previously Bear Stearns, Bank of America Senior Vice President
      61. March 12th Jeffrey Corzine, 31, son of MF Global CEO and Chairman Jon Corzine involved in major banking crime was found dead in an apparent suicide.
      62. Keiran Toman, 39, former banker who believed he was being stalked by a reality TV crew starved to death in a hotel room, an inquest heard today.
      63. An inquest was opened after his death in July 2010 but his family asked for a second hearing as they were not informed. Police found all of Mr Toman’s possessions in the room, but despite documents mentioning his family, failed to tell them he had died.
      64. Nicholas Austin, 49, A former bank manager from Hersden died after drinking antifreeze in an effort to get high. was found in a coma by his wife Lynn at their home in Blackthorne Road on October 5. He died the same day.

      International banking is an extremely stressful occupation so it's not surprising there would be so many suicides on this list. And let's put this in perspective: There are millions of bankers around the world and finding 64 who died under mysterious or violent circumstances might be unusual, but not proof of a conspiracy.

      You would think that if someone was targeting international banking, they would hit far more important people than those on the above list, depending on their ultimate goal. To bring down the banking system? Not likely. To strike fear in the hearts of bankers? Possible, but why go to all the trouble of making so many of these deaths look like suicides?

      In the end, all we have are 64 dead bodies with their only connection being what they do for a living. Unless or until there is evidence to the contrary, we have to chalk up this phenomenon to coincidence rather than conspiracy.

      Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/12/is_someone_targeting_the_worlds_bankers.html#ixzz3LQCFjtIp
      Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook

    2. 32. Jan – Carl Slym, SUICIDE

      Carl 'Slime' Slym was the investment banker for Quirk Enterprises, LLC.

      His case is understandable.

      He simply couldn't take it anymore.

      No conspiracy there.

    3. Sorry for the mess up there, Dear Reader.

      Anyway, an astute reader like d. rat shit might note the glaring lack of many International Jewish Bankers on the lis...........leading to another of his rat shit 'conspiracy theories'............

    4. lis = list

      Not fully awake yet, first cup of coffee......

  36. Making War In Iraq

    by Steven A. Cook
    December 8, 2014

    >>>Three months later, a strategy has come into view and it does not look pretty. The exigencies of fighting ISIS as well as keeping U.S. ground forces out of combat makes civil war more likely in the long run. This should not be misinterpreted as a plea to deploy large numbers of American soldiers to Iraq, but rather an analytic judgement based on the way—it seems—the administration has answered the questions I posed above. The strategy is fairly straightforward: Given the limited availability of U.S. forces due to the American people’s reluctance to go back to war in Iraq, American airpower combined with friendly and not-so-friendly ground forces will “degrade and destroy ISIS.” Yet in order for the friendly ground forces—the Iraqi military and Kurdish peshmerga—to combat the so-called Islamic State effectively, they need to be well-equipped and well-trained. And in the case of Iraq’s armed forces, again.......

    .....Setting aside the fight against ISIS and what it might take to defeat them, something deeply worrisome about the Obama administration’s strategy comes into view: In order to meet the challenge of the so-called Islamic State, the United States is essentially encouraging the emergence of a variety of different armies in Iraq. Should Washington be successful, there will be a newly trained and equipped Iraqi security force alongside a Kurdish army with new equipment and additional training next to a variety of Shia militias—the Badr Brigades, the Mahdi army/Saraya al-Salam, Asa’ib Ahl al-Haq, and Kata’ib Hizbullah—all of which are closely linked to Iran. What does anyone think is going to happen?<<<


    Pure Chaos.

    O'bozo has it so fucked up.........

    Thankfully, we have the world famous tactical/strategic plagiarized from General Crook "RAT DOCTRINE" to see us through the malstrom.........

    This is so certain a path to VICTORY that some here are predicting there will be no ISIS people in Iraq at all by next Fourth of July !!!!

    1. Some people here drink too much Budweiser.

  37. … more Mossad dirty work … Once Mossad infiltrates and controls Amazon, no book will be safe … Pampers, not so much…

    Syrian Jewish bibles could spark ownership dispute

    In the early 1990s, Syria lifted travel restrictions on Jews and many emigrated, but they were not permitted to take their sacred manuscripts.

    So, in a covert operation by Israel's Mossad spy agency, eight ancient bibles were spirited to Israel between 1993 and 1995. The ninth was smuggled out of Syria in 1993 with the help of a Canadian Jewish activist.

    1. Thieves respect property.  They merely wish the property to become their property that they may more perfectly respect it.  ~G.K. Chesterton

  38. Re: Israel would accept al-Qaeda operatives taking power in Syria.

    Former Ambassador Oren made no such statement as the quote asserts. It is a lie. I think I have pointed this out several times.

    "Polly wanna cracker"?

    1. The JPost is reporting lies?
      Take it up with the JPost, when they post a retraction, let us know.


  39. .

    Smashing Success, Legionnaire Q, is the reality that Kobane did not fall to the Daesh.
    A smashing success occurred when the Iraqi Security Forces deployed to Kobane, illustrating the solidarity between the Iraqis and Syrians, in their battle against radical Islam.

    At times, rat, I can only sit back and laugh as you squirm trying to wiggle out of one of your own misstatements.

    On the last thread, I stated that US air support helped blunt the IS momentum in Kobane. There is no question that it did. However, to describe a battle that has been ongoing since September, that as of yesterday can only be described as being in a state of stalemate, in a city being slowly degraded by bombs and heavy weapons, with 200,000 residents of the city still living in refugee camps in Turkey, involving the Kurds and their allies including the most powerful country in the world fighting against what has been called a bunch of psychopathic head cutters as a 'smashing success' is...well frankly...it's ratshit crazy.

    As to your second point, it wasn't the Iraqi Security Forces that deployed to Kobane. It was the Iraqi Peshmerga showing solidarity with their ethnic brothers in Syria just the same as the Syrian Kurds came to the aid of the Iraqi Kurds on Sinjar mountain. It wasn't the president of Iraq that ordered the troops in, it was the president of the Iraqi Kurdish Federation. Anyone who doesn't realize this doesn't understand the politics of the war, either that or he is merely trying to cover up another of his faulty assessments regarding sending Iraqi Security Forces into Syria.

    By the way, you and Rufus were wetting your pants over need for a quote for I point I made. I put it up at the end of the last thread.


    1. .

      To date, the US operation in Kobane is successful; however, it is a limited success, at least up to yesterday. I haven't checked today. That status won't change until IS is driven out of and away from the city so that they are no longer a danger to it.

      Even then, describing the 'victory' in Kobane as a 'smashing success' does sound a bit hyperbolic given some of the facts noted above.

      If we accept the success of the operation in Kobane as it exists today as a 'smashing success' it IMO shows how low US foreign policy has fallen over the last decade.


    2. Re: "'ratshit' crazy"

      ... a neologism? ... at least at the EB ... wish it had been mine ...

      Re: "Iraqi Security Forces"

      ... indubitably an oxymoron ... Were it otherwise, well, you wouldn't be in a position to coin neologisms... ... On second thought, you are blessed with an underwhelming source of comedic inspiration.

      POGs are endlessly fascinated by little pieces moved around on great, big boards and find incomprehensible the reality that the outcomes of wars are determined by logistics. Currently, American logistics suck, which is why our planes cannot stay on station for more than minutes. Even with that, about 80% of the runs return with ordinance secured -- all those Dura Marker smiley faces and cutesy witticisms awaiting delivery for another day.

    3. Legionnaire Q, the Rat Doctrine is not a reflection of US policy over the past decade, it is the remedy to it.

      That you fail to understand that, well, just one of those things.

      Number of US casualties in Kobane, remains at Zero
      The implementation of the Rat Doctrine a smashing success.

      The comment was made by Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson that the Rat Doctrine had failed, because the strategic bombing campaign was further radicalizing those already opposed to Assad's regime.

      The strategic bombing, in Syria, the absolute opposite of the Rat Doctrine.
      The fact that you commented in support of Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson's post by saying that the Rat Doctrine was flexible, was a misrepresentation of the Rat Doctrine.

      As has often been asked, wheree else in Syria has the Coalition provided Close Air Support to local forces in combat with the Daesh? I know of no other locale, you have not provided any new data sets.

      The Rat Doctrine, where applied in Syria has succeeded in smashing the hopes of Daesh.
      Unless you have another set of data to counter the argument, the tactical application of the Rat Doctrine has succeeded, while strategic bombing has been described as less than that.

      Which has been my position, from the very beginning of the campaign against Daesh...


    4. I do think that desert rat would agree, with me, which is why I named the doctrine in his honor.

      Have a wonderful day.

    5. Talk about a sick twisted mind..

      The same person talking to himself and to his split personalities …

      something aint right with that boy...

  40. Bob OreilleTue Dec 09, 12:50:00 PM EST
    Making War In Iraq

    by Steven A. Cook
    December 8, 2014

    I doubt that the putative Iraqi Army can be trained.

    Even if all possible opponents of IS are trained and armed up, I foresee reluctance to use the new knowledge and toys to fight IS. Instead, I think it highly likely that these new model armies will keep there powder dry in case they find the need to use it against each other. Given the dilatory manner in which they have been supplied, to date and the mutual antagonisms, who can blame them. When one considers that it may take up to a year to train a Syrian opposition, assuming more than "ghost soldiers" can be recruited, why would any potential opponent of IS be in a hurry? No, I see the Kurds, certainly, opportunistically targeting all comers in their neck of the woods, and that is about all.

    Absent a negotiated settlement ceding to IS most of what it has taken and the absence of a substantial number of American boots on the ground, I predict that Mr. Obama's expensive fireworks from the air will see him out of office.

    Handel: The Music for the Royal Fireworks (Complete) Sir Neville Marriner

    Meanwhile, Israel will take possession of its sixth, state-of-the-art submarine.

  41. .

    The Senate Majority Summary Report on CIA torture techniques was made public today.

    There was little new in the report for anyone who has followed this issue over the years. The real value of the report was in pointing out the limited value of these techniques in obtaining actionable intelligence, a conclusion the CIA itself came to back in the 80's.


  42. Replies
    1. .

      Unfortunately, this is 'not' unbelievable.


    2. I guess that means no "bun warmer" for the pilot's seat. $50,000,000 per copy (?) and you get all the creature-comforts of a John Deer garden tractor.

  43. "ratshit crazy" is very good.

    I too, echoing allen, wish I had thought of it.

    1. Rat remains a figment of the Draft Dodger's imaginationTue Dec 09, 06:15:00 PM EST

      You wish you could think.

  44. Not bound by the findings of a local Grand Jury

    Federal Autopsy Rules Michael Brown's Death a Homicide

    A federal autopsy of Michael Brown, the unarmed black teen shot dead by Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson, found he died from multiple gunshot wounds and described his death as a homicide.

  45. Good thing that the Republicans control the House of Representatives, the purse strings of the government.
    Soon they will have control of both the House and the Senate.

    GOP Spending Bill Gives Nearly $1 Billion To Aid Border Migrants
    $948 million to help Central American migrants establish themselves in the United States

    The GOP’s draft 2015 “omnibus” spending bill reportedly includes $948 million to help poor and unskilled Central American migrants establish themselves in the United States, but includes no effective restrictions on President Barack Obama’s plan to provide work permits and tax payments to millions of resident illegal immigrants.

  46. What is truly entertaining and amusing ...
    allen references a Rabbi, who has written that Jews are responsibile for the coarsening of US culture, that all of US know this, but are to polite to mention it. Others would lay the reticence on "Political Correctness".

    When asked if Rabbi Lapkin is a what "O"rdure continually refers to as a Self-Loathing Jew, allen replies with nothing but vapor.

    “I’m not asking if they’ve forgotten how to be Jews, but if they’ve forgotten how to be decent human beings.
    Have they forgotten how to converse?”

    - Reuven Rivlin, President of Israel

  47. Israel is familiar with early elections. Since 1996, only one government was able to serve a full term, which is four years.

    Led by Netanyahu, the current coalition government took office in early 2013. However, Netanyahu was harshly criticized by his right-wing coalition partners over his hard-liner policies.

    "I will not tolerate any opposition in my government," said Netanyahu and stated that the division among the coalition made it impossible to lead the country and made early elections inevitable.

  48. The Iraqi Security Forces are made up of a variety of local militias, as well as the Iraqi Army.

    The Kurds of Iraq are part of that country, there is no "Independent Kurdistan"
    The Kurdish militia, the Peshmerga, is part of the Iraqi Security Forces.
    Just as the Michigan National Guard is part of the US military.

    Iraqi Defense Minister visits the Kurdistan Region

    The importance of continuous and consistent cooperation between Peshmerga and Iraqi Army forces was acknowledged. Iraq’s Defense Minister commended the effectiveness of Peshmerga forces in confronting threats to the country’s security, highlighting achievement in recovering Zumar and Rabia towns from ISIS terrorists.

    The Defense Minister affirmed the Peshmerga forces as important and integral part of Iraq's defense system.

    Really Legionnaire Q, you should do a little outside reading.

    1. ERBIL-Hewlêr, Kurdistan region 'Iraq', Iraq said it would supply semiautonomous Kurdistan region with its needs for heavy weapons to help Kurdish fighters battling militants of the Islamic State group.
      “The Peshmerga are part of the Iraqi defense system and our support is with them. What the army has is for the Peshmerga, and what is required from the army is required from the Peshmerga,” Defense Minister Khaled al-Obeidi said on Tuesday.
      Weapons for Peshmerga

      The Baghdad central government will also supply Peshmerga fighters with heavy weapons when it gets the arms it contracted on, Obeidi added.

      “When we have weapons, God willing, they will have their share like other Iraqi troops,” Obeidi said after a tour of a Peshmerga training center in the Kurdish city of Irbil.

      Now, for those that need a little more ...

      Semi-autonomous Definition
      adj. adjective

      Partially self-governing.

      Having the powers of self-government within a larger organization or structure.

      Iraqi Kurdistan - Not Independent.
      Semi-autonomous, like Michigan.

    2. " ... like other Iraqi troops,”

  49. Seems that Legionnaire Q has studied Lewis Carroll and sees himself in the Humpty Dumpty role.

    "‘When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone,
    ‘it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.'

    As long as it feels right the Legionnaire Q is a happy fella.

    “The truth, as much as people acted like they wanted to hear it,
    was sometimes too cruel and harsh.”

    ― Laura Kreitzer

    1. We have about 5 people, here, Rat, that just do not want the United States to be successful in this endeavor against ISIS.

      It's a strange situation, but true.

    2. I realize that, Rufus, but the truth remains the same, no matter what those that believe the US should "Cut and Run" or "Invade and Conquer" feel.

      The facts are the facts, and whether the malcontents like it or not, the US is engaged, it is engaged in a low risk, high reward campaign. Now the Daesh have a nuclear device, scares me not.

      It the "Draft Dodger" were to rob a dentists office, then mix up some ammonia nitrate and diesel fuel, he could have a 'nuclear device', too.

    3. The buzz word for the delusional paranoid - 'nuclear'
      Then add the word device, and they piss their pants.

      Which smells no worse than the cat pissing on Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson's slippers.

    4. I understand why the Zionists are rooting for al-Qeada.
      Mr Oren made it plain, Israel would accept al-Qeada operatives taking power in Syria.
      Th JPost reported it, and has never retracted the report.

      The long term Israeli goal is to fragment Lebanon, Syria and Iraq into sectarian pieces. So our Zionists are parroting their Supreme Leaders' agitprop, as good Social Media Commandos are expected to do.

      Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson wants to see the US military bleeding out in the desert sands. Fighting for people fully capable of fighting for themselves. Robert wants the blood and treasure of the US to be spilled in Iraq.

      The Legionnaire Q, no telling why, but he wants US to "Cut and Run".

  50. The latest incident striking a Damascus’ international airport warehouse. Believed to contain Iranian and Russian-supplied weapons.


    A Syrian Foreign Ministry letter to Ban Ki-moon and Chadian Security Council president Mahamat Zene Cherif said in part:

    “The Syrian government called for imposing deterring sanctions on Israel, which did not hide its policy in supporting terrorism, calling also on taking all procedures, in accordance with the UN Charter, to prevent Israel from repeating such attacks.”


    Iranian Foreign Minister spokeswoman Marziyeh Afkham strongly condemned Israeli air strikes, saying:

    “The Zionist regime intends to misuse Syria’s critical conditions, but the consequences of warmongerings will backfire on the regime.”

  51. We have one person here, Rufus, who feels your guy got us into this Big Pickle, and it's going to take more than the plagiarized "Rat Doctrine" to get us out of it.

    You used to stay you didn't give a shit about any part of the entire mid - east. Let them kill each other, you used to say.

    I may be coming around to your former way of thinking........

  52. I see the rat shit is still bullshitting. Another long day for the rat.

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  54. .

    Still, rat?

    Really Legionnaire Q, you should do a little outside reading.

    Rat, it is one thing to read. It is quite another to understand. It is evident you have no clue as to the politics of the moves that led to a small group of Iraqi peshmerga being sent to Kobane. Heck, you can’t even decipher the meaning behind the words of the Iraqi Defense Minister or why he said them.

    Iraq needs the Kurds to protect their northern frontier and the oil in that region. When the Iraqi Security Forces fled the Kurds took over security for that region. But they didn’t do it for Baghdad. They did it for themselves and the oil.

    As for the peshmerga, under the agreement that set up the Kurdistan autonomous region, Baghdad agreed to pay the salaries of 30,000 peshmerga that formed a paramilitary police force for the region. However, beyond that force, Barzani controls another 187,000 peshmerga militiamen. And when I say controls, I mean the peshmerga consists of various militias that support the Kurdish parties there but Barzani is their elected leader and does the negotiating for all of them. They don’t report to the Iraqi Security Forces though they do coordinate with them.

    A couple months back it looked like the Kurds might seek and independent state carved out of Iraq. However, Barzani (evidently realizing it might be easier getting a state than maintaining one) decided to negotiate for more autonomy within Iraq instead.

    Since fighting off ISIS after their original surge, Kurds have been demanding more autonomy, the city of Kirkuk, more oil revenues, the money Baghdad cut off for paying for the Kurdish paramilitary police force, the revenue dollars they were owed AND heavy weaponry for the fight against IS which by US dictate has to come through Baghdad.

    It was only at the beginning of the month that most of these issues were resolved at least temporarily in an interim deal. No doubt impetus for the deal was the lower oil prices which is hurting both Baghdad and Irbil. Part of the deal was that Baghdad would pay Irbil $1 billion for salaries and equipment for their fighters for the fight against IS.

    It is not surprising then that a couple days after that agreement you would have Iraqi Defense Minister telling the Kurds you will get your heavy weapons, eventually.

    HOWEVER, this had zip to do with the politics that resulted in the deal that sent 150 peshmerga to Kobane.

    That deal was worked out by the US, Turkey, Barzani, and the Syrian Kurds. Iraq had zip to say about it.

    (continued below…)


  55. .


    The deal to send 150 Iraqi peshmerga to Kobane to help the Kurds there was cut back in October. It involved the US, Turkey, the Iraqi Kurds under Barzani, and the Syrian Kurds in Kobane.

    The US had been pressuring Turkey to actively join in the fight against IS in Syria but Turkey was balking for the reasons that have been discussed here before. Turkey laid out a number of demands that would have taken the war to Assad in Syria but the US demurred. It was a standoff, with Turkey refusing to do anything that would help the Syrian Kurds gain autonomy on its border. The standoff continued until the US notified Turkey they would be airlifting the supplies the Kurds needed inside Kobane (including presumably, heavy weapons).

    At that point, Turkey gave in. They would allow certain reinforcements and equipment into the city but also spelled out their conditions. Erdogan refused to allow either Turkish or Syrian Kurds to enter the fight through Turkey. However, because of the good relations he maintained with the Iraqi Kurd leader, Barzani, he agreed to allow Iraqi peshmerga to provide troops.

    Barzani agreed and was prepared to send what force was needed. The Syrian Kurds were not anxious to have the Iraqi Kurds involved. Because of the relationship between Erdogan and Barzani there was suspicion he had something up his sleeve. However, they did want the heavy weapons so they agreed to a non-combat troop of 150 along with weapons and equipment. Erdogan also agreed to allow 1500 FSA troops in.

    The agreement to send the Iraqi peshmerga troops into Kobane had zip to do with the Iraqi Security Force. It had zip to do with Haider Al-Abadi. Al Abadi could give a shit about the Syrian Kurds in Kobane. He wasn’t asked about it. He had no say in it. This was a deal cut by the US and Turkey.

    Try to get up to speed, rat.