COLLECTIVE MADNESS


“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Thursday, November 27, 2008

"...the gracious gifts of the most high God..."





The year that is drawing toward its close has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften the heart which is habitually insensible to the everwatchful providence of almighty God.

In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign states to invite and provoke their aggressions, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere, except in the theater of military conflict; while that theater has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union.

Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defense have not arrested the plow, the shuttle, or the ship; the ax has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege, and the battlefield, and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom.

No human counsel hath devised, nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the most high God, who while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy.

It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently, and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American people. I do, therefore, invite my fellow-citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next as a day of thanksgiving and praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the heavens. And I recommend to them that, while offering up the ascriptions justly due to him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to his tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners, or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the almighty hand to heal the wounds of the nation, and to restore it, as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes, to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity, and union.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United Stated States to be affixed.

PRESIDENT LINCOLN'S THANKSGIVING DAY PROCLAMATION, OCTOBER 3, 1863

90 comments:

  1. Not as Lincolnesque as some of Obama's other oratory

    ABC News' Matt Jaffe reports:

    On Thanksgiving Eve, President-elect Barack Obama, his wife Michelle, and his daughters Malia and Sasha, all bundled up in winter coats and hats, dished out chickens to the needy at a Chicago church, leaving some overcome with emotion.


    "The number of people who are getting food this year is up 33 percent," Obama said of the crowds who gathered at the Windy City's St. Columbanus Church. "And I think it gives a sense -- times are tough. And I think that on Thanksgiving, it's important for us to remember people in need, but it's important not just during Thanksgiving."

    "These folks were already often times having a tough time and it gets tougher now," he added. "So we want to make sure that people that can give, that are able to contribute to the food depository, volunteer, participate. This is part of what Thanksgiving should be all about."

    Obama, who noted this was his third year at his hometown food bank, was asked why he had brought his two daughters with him.

    "I want them to learn the importance of how fortunate they are and make sure they are giving back," he responded.

    Some people at the food bank, where lines can start forming as early as 5 am, were so excited to see the President-elect that they forgot to take their chickens with them.

    "Don't forget your chicken," he reminded them, passing along the Thanksgiving grub provided by the Greater Chicago Food Depository and packed in white grocery bags.

    "Very special," said one emotional man, crying as he described what it meant to meet Obama.

    The family later entered the auditorium of the church's school, where they were greeted by a screaming crowd of students in Pre-Kindergarten through eighth grade. And the shrieking only skyrocketed when Obama started rattling off Thanksgiving food staples.

    "How about mac & cheese," he asked as the kids roared.

    "How about green beans?" he continued. "How about sweet potato fries?"

    Then Obama turned to more school-related questions, encouraging the students to work hard and pay attention in class.

    "How many people like to read?" he asked. "Everybody likes math?"

    If they studied hard, Obama told the kids, "You guys might even end up being the president someday."

    One sixth-grader asked Obama what it's like to be president.

    "I'm not president yet. I've only been elected president. I'm gonna be sworn in as president on January 20th," Obama replied, as the crowd erupted in applause once again. "Once I'm president, I'll let you know what it's like."

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  2. For Bush, his final Thanksgiving in office is proving a time for nostalgia. He always reflects a bit at Thanksgiving, but he went further as he spared the Thanksgiving turkey, "Pumpkin," on Wednesday.

    He gave thanks to troops and volunteers, to teachers and pastors, to all the American people. Then he gave thanks for his wife and twin daughters — "two Thanksgiving miracles who we were blessed with 27 years ago" — and that his mother, former first lady Barbara Bush, was doing well after being hospitalized.

    "Most of all," he said, "I thank the American people for the tremendous privilege of serving as the president."

    But the occasion was also a chance for levity. A backup bird, named "Pecan" through an online vote, was nowhere to be seen. Undisclosed location, Bush joked.


    GE News

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  3. ""I want them to learn the importance of how fortunate they are and make sure they are giving back," he responded. "
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    Exactly!
    Give 'en fish, rather than TEACHING THEM HOW to fish.

    First Class Ed for The Messiah's kids, Ghetto Reject "Teachers" for the beloved masses.

    Vote NEA,
    Vote CHOICE!
    (By non-secret ballot)

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  4. "Most of all," he said,

    "I thank the American people for the tremendous privilege of serving as the president."

    ---
    ...and NOT taking out Al-Q in Pakistan, nor securing our borders, and NOT commuting the sentences of Ramos and Campeon.

    ...nor taking seriously your Oath to carry out the responsibilities of POTUS.

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  5. Ahhh, doug, Obama is teaching HIS daughters how to fish, there at the church.

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  6. I meant giving fish to the masses,
    Ivy League Prep (ala Punahoe) to the Chosen's Offspring.

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  7. Happy Thanksgiving one and all.

    Every day of a good life is a gift. That is reason enough to give thanks and share thanks. Use it while you have it.

    Deuce

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  9. Happy Thanksgiving!

    (not to mention Thanks to the millions that fought for our heritage.)

    Death to those intent on giving this grand experiment in FREEDOM Away!

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  10. Them Mormons--"O, Come Thou Fount Of Every Blessing"


    Reverend Manning Wants To See That Birth Certificate I'
    ve gotten so I like Rev. Manning. I saw him interviewed once. In a serious kind of theological discussion. He preaches different than he talks.


    10-15 Israelis Held Hostage


    Lutheran Thanksgiving Prayer


    #15 The IN frigate Vindhyagiri has chased down and boarded the MV Alpha, which reportedly transported men and weapons from Karachi
    Posted by john frum 2008-11-27 05:50||



    gobblegobblepiving
    Happy Thanksgiving

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  11. Bobal, you are obsessed with this Obama citizenship issue. He was born in Hawaii, right? Your hero Leo doesn't seem to dispute that.


    "Birthright citizenship in the United States of America follows from a hybrid rule of jus soli and jus sanguinis. Under the American system, any person born within the United States (including the overseas territories of Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and the Northern Mariana Islands) and subject to its jurisdiction is automatically granted U.S. citizenship, [1] as are many (though not all) children born to American citizens overseas.

    When accorded automatic birthright citizenship based on birth on American soil, a newborn's status is generally unaffected by the legal status or citizenship of that individual's mother or father.

    Throughout much of the history of the United States, the fundamental legal principle governing citizenship has been that birth within the territorial limits of the United States confers United States citizenship,[2] although the United States did not grant citizenship to all black former slaves until the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which was subsequently confirmed by the Fourteenth Amendment. American Indian tribal members are not covered specifically by the constitutional guarantee, but they were made citizens automatically by the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States_of_America

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  12. The year has turned its circle,
    The seasons come and go.
    The harvest all is gathered in
    And chilly north winds blow.
    Orchards have shared their treasures,
    The fields, their yellow grain,
    So open wide the doorway~
    Thanksgiving comes again!
    ~Old Rhyme

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  13. Obsessed Ash, absolutely obsessed.

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  14. Happy Thanksgiving, everyone.

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  15. Happy Thanksgiving.

    Interesting note: With the Goldman Sacks boys off for the holiday, my Canadian Solar stock is up 10%. The fsckers have been manipulating the stock down even though growth is at 40% and accelerating.

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  16. 12% now. God I hate those fsckers.

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  17. btw,
    Me likes the new font. Hope it stays.

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  18. Your showing signs of paranoid delusion there Mat (Goldman manipulating your stock -- hehehehe). Then again if you hold a stock that's gone from a high of 50 down to 3.70 you better celebrate whatever gains you make and blame someone beside yourself.

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  19. Your showing signs of paranoid delusion there Mat (Goldman manipulating your stock -- hehehehe
    ==

    It's very easy to see who is buying and who's selling. And GS has been selling. And selling short.

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  20. How do you see who's buying and selling?

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  21. Via Drudge and Breitbart: Russia to help Venezuela develop nuclear energy

    The world is going nuclear. Even lowly Africa is looking for markets for their uranium and help developing their own nuclear energy.

    I'm thankful that we're so progressive in this country that years ago, we had the foresight to build all those plants that not only made us energy independent but also established us as the world's leading authority and contractor for nuclear power.

    Oh wait, we were on track to do that but it didn't happen. Never mind.

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  22. Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone!

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  23. How do you see who's buying and selling?
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    That's not for you to know.

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  24. Which indicates your statement was bullshit.

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  25. Russia to help Venezuela develop nuclear energy
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    That's a good opportunity to bomb them.

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  26. Which indicates your statement was bullshit.
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    Fsck off, you turd.

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  27. Hey, if you can't support your claims then its you that looks like a turd.

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  28. There are plenty of sources out there to support my claim, Turd. Now, go away.

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  29. Mat, you said:

    "It's very easy to see who is buying and who's selling."

    Thu Nov 27, 01:59:00 PM EST

    To the best of my knowledge this statement is false, it is not easy at all. I would be happy if you would prove me wrong.

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  30. it is not easy at all
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    And I've already said that's not for you to know.

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  31. Happy Thanksgiving Everyone,

    ...especially to Mat and Ash

    ...without whom I'd truly feel inferior.

    ...and j willie, for keeping up the good fight against the desert rodent.

    ...and Doug for his cheerful presence.

    Bless you all.

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  32. ...without whom I'd truly feel inferior.
    ==

    Heheh, it's always the one with the inferiority complex. :D

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  33. Doug's Presence:
    :-)

    Wobbly's:
    Priceless

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  34. Omigawd, it's linear:
    Thanks for your stable, unwavering insight, straight guy.

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  35. Rensselaer Researchers Nano-Engineer Solar to ‘Near Perfect’ Efficiency
    Written by Susan Kraemer

    Nano-engineering students at Rensselaer have created a solar power game-changer: more than 96% absorption of sunlight from all angles, from sunrise to sunset.

    The two biggest efficiency hurdles for solar efficiency have been:

    1. Solar cells absorb only part of the light spectrum.
    2. The sun always moves in relation to the panel.

    To solve problem number one, researchers nano-invented an anti-reflective coating to make the solar cell capture the full light spectrum. Currently, solar cells reflect almost 1/3 of the sunlight that hits them. That reflected light is not harvested, which has reduced solar cell efficiency. Problem one solved.

    To solve problem two, they stopped the sun in its tracks.

    Well, no, actually, that would be a roundabout way to solve that problem.

    Instead, they designed a nano-coating to 'follow' the sun's movements and absorb every last photon of light, regardless of the suns moving position in the sky.

    The problem:

    Most surfaces and coatings absorb or transmit light through them from only a specific range of angles. Your glasses, for instance, absorb-transmit all the light in front of you. But much less from the periphery.

    That's why some solar panels are mechanized to slowly move so they always face the moving sun. But that uses energy, too. So the energy it takes reduces the efficiency of the panel.

    'At the beginning of the project, we asked 'would it be possible to create a single anti-reflective structure that can work from all angles?' said Shawn-Yu Lin, professor of physics at Rensselaer and a member of the university's Future Chips Constellation who led the research project.

    'Then we attacked the problem from a fundamental perspective, tested and fine-tuned our theory, and created a working device,' Lin said. Rensselaer physics grad student Mei-Ling Kuo played a key role in the investigations.

    How their solution works:

    Unlike typical antireflective coatings that are engineered to transmit light of only one particular wavelength, this coating stacks seven of these layers, one on top of the other, in such a way that each layer enhances the anti-reflective properties of the layer below it.

    These additional layers also help to 'bend' the flow of sunlight to an angle that augments the coating's anti-reflective properties. This means that each layer transmits sunlight and also helps to capture any light that may have otherwise been reflected off of the layers below it.

    The seven layers, each with a height of 50 nanometers to 100 nanometers, are made up of silicon dioxide and titanium dioxide nanorods positioned at an oblique angle.

    Renssalaer nanosolarEach layer looks like (and functions like) a dense forest where sunlight is 'captured' between the trees. The nanorods were attached to a silicon substrate via chemical vapor disposition.

    The silicon surface absorbed 96.21 percent of sunlight, after treating the material with the reflective coating.

    Only 3.79 percent of the sunlight was reflected and unharvested.

    The entire spectrum of sunlight from UV to visible light to infrared was absorbed, for the first time.

    'To get maximum efficiency when converting solar power into electricity, you want a solar panel that can absorb nearly every single photon of light, regardless of the sun's position in the sky,' said Lin. 'Our new antireflective coating makes this possible.'

    The bottom line:

    This is a game changer. This nano-engineered coating could be applied to nearly any photovoltaic material for use in solar cells, says Lin. These two huge gains move solar power forward to being cost-effective for mass production.


    http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/15/rensselaer-researchers-nano-engineer-solar-to-near-perfect-efficiency/#more-1510

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  36. Happy Thanksgiving everbody from down under. Thank you to all regular patrons of the bar.

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  37. With the Idaho National Laboratory's vast capabilities as well as talent, it's spawned many successful spin-off companies.

    ...

    "The technology is really at the forefront here in Idaho it's actually the perfect place for research and development," explained Dr. Branagan.

    Their ultimate goal: Nano structured sheet steel which would revolutionize the car industry.


    Eastern Idaho

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  38. WRT them Mormons, albob:
    They get NO credit for fighting for traditional marriage, only scorn and persecution by the "gays" and their Dhimmi fellow "straight" persecutionists.

    (Plus 'Rat for their forefather's sins, of course, but we all knew that, that is an eternal verity.)

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  39. Officials in Draper are considering an ordinance to set up "free speech zone" near a new Mormon temple as a means of restricting protests.

    ...

    But Draper city manager Layne Long said the courts have upheld similar ordinances. The proposal is similar to a Salt Lake City ordinance that limits free speech to specific areas during major events, including Utah Jazz basketball games and the semiannual LDS church conference.

    Long said the ordinance has been in discussion for some time and will help the rapidly growing city manage all its large events.


    Free Speech

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  40. "The fact that a few of them have been seized is highly significant," said Wilkinson. "I think a lot more information about these attacks and who was behind them is going to come to light."

    Well I think so too, these fellows are not going to have the ACLU and US court procedures to help them out.

    Some Attackers Caught

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  41. Frankenstein has slipped a bit in the recount, so of course the democrats are thinking, thinking, thinking how this might be overcome.

    ah! We control the Senate, that's it!

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  42. Franken entered the recount trailing Coleman by 215 votes out of 2.9 million ballots. About 80 percent have been recounted, and Coleman has maintained a lead throughout.

    However, there are about 3,600 ballots the two campaigns have challenged that could fall to the board to rule on.

    The only other Senate race still to be decided is Georgia’s, where incumbent Republican Saxby Chambliss will face Democrat Jim Martin in a runoff Tuesday.


    Franken/Coleman

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  43. Happy Thanksgiving to the Bar....

    Once again, the greatness of America shines thru..

    Just signed a 12 month lease to more than double my warehouse space...

    Just got some GREAT support from several of my vendors happy with our loyalty and great service we provide...

    Business is good, growing and debt free...

    G-d I LOVE America....

    On a happy note, the People of the Sword, the Islamic people of PEACE have just murdered 100 or so human beings, once again pissing off another 1.2 BILLION against them

    Just when you think that Islamicjihadists would know when to stop they push it further...

    yet...

    it's a good thing

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  44. off camera, during break--

    Keyes--"You're not even a natural born citizen."

    Obama--"Oh, that's ok. I'm not running for President."

    during Obama/Keyes Senate debate 2004

    This video has been wiped from Utube--was titled, "What Obama Doesn't Want You To Know"

    from an interview with Orly Tates (sp) lead counsel in the Keyes case. She is a dentist, lawyer and immigrant from the Soviet Union. Interview on the Joe Thunder (1/2 Apache 1/2 white)Show on Plains Radio Network.

    Being from the Soviet Union she is also very concerned about all BO's talk about a 'domestic security' group.

    Nice woman.

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  45. As a citizen, it never made much difference if Citi failed or profited, until I became an owner.

    As far as the Federals are concerned, this liberal fellow, from San Fransisco tells the tale, as well as j willie or I, about Robert Rubin.

    J, he is all in turmoil, while I expected more of the same, from the Federals. Never believing in Change You Can Believe In.

    Maybe Ralph Nader was right in predicting that the same Wall Street hustlers would have a lock on our government no matter which major party won the election. I hate to admit it, since it wasn't that long ago that I heatedly challenged Nader in a debate on this very point.

    ...

    As the Washington Post reported, Paulson had indicated last week that no further bailouts were planned before the new administration took office until "Rubin, an old colleague from Goldman Sachs, told Paulson in phone calls that the government had to act." Rubin conceded in an interview with the Post that he had played a key role in the politics of the bailout.

    This outrageous conflict of interest in which Rubin gets to exploit his ties to both the outgoing and incoming administrations was best described by Washington Post writer Steven Pearlstein: "The ultimate irony, of course, is that just as Rubin and Co. at Citi were being bailed out by the Bush Administration, President-elect Barack Obama was getting set to announce a new economic team drawn almost entirely from Rubin acolytes."

    As opposed to the far tougher deal negotiated on the bailout of AIG, the arrangement with Citigroup leaves the executives, including Rubin, who brought Citigroup to the brink of ruin, still in charge. Nor is there any guarantee of the value of the mortgage bundles that taxpayers will be guaranteeing. That is because, as candidate Obama clearly stated in his major economics address back in March, the deregulation pushed though during the Clinton years ended transparency in banking.

    Why then has he appointed the very people responsible for this disaster to now make it all better? Why not ask him? Heck, yes, it is time for the many of us who responded to his e-mails during the campaign to now challenge our e-mail buddy as to why he suddenly acts as if the interests of Wall Street and Main Street are one and the same.


    Success, in DC is measured by staying in the decision loop, Mr Bush will not be near it, after 20Jan09, Robert Rubin will be in it, up to his eyeballs.

    The foxes are still in the hen house
    No worries though, we call them Guard Dogs, now.

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  46. The foxes are still in the hen house
    No worries though, we call them Guard Dogs, now.
    ==

    A government by the people for the people. We take this truth to be self evident.

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  47. Lafourche Parish Councilman Lindel Toups celebrated victory Tuesday night when his peers narrowly passed his resolution of support for statewide drug tests of anyone relying on government dollars.

    ...

    It began as a proposal to send a formal request to state legislators for a law requiring random drug tests of public school employees, and was shot down by a 1-7 vote two weeks ago.

    Toups returned with a broadened proposal to include anyone receiving public dollars. That means welfare recipients public housing residents and parish employees as well as teachers.


    Didn't Pass

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  48. I look at it this way. I hadn't any stocks at all, until all these bailouts. Now, I too am an investor, thanks to Uncle Sam.

    Doubt I'll be seeing any dividend checks in the mail though.

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  49. If they're going to make the entire parish pee in a bottle, and cut off funds to those that don't pass, they will save some money, until the courts call an end to it. Ought to make the court pee in a bottle too, of course, to be fair. And the police. And the elected officials--themselves.

    We had a flaming liberal mayor here for awhile, years ago. He finally got busted for cocaine, and immediately went back home to Connecticut, his gig being up, here.

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  50. I wanted to get my ex-wife done for being an unfit mother because she smoked dope all the time. My divorce lawyer said, 'You're not getting anywhere with that.' She said, 'Hell, you'll find half the lawyers, judges, and cops in Perth are on much harder stuff than dope.' The look in her eye. She meant it.

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  51. FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS It's going to be a bumpy ride...

    http://odeo.com/episodes/23677962-FASTEN-YOUR-SEATBELTS-It-s-going-to-be-a-bumpy-ride

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  52. Poor Robbie Ruben's only made 109 Million in previous Guard Duty, so he will toil for us again in hopes of scrounging a few more dimes.
    Thank Goodness for Selfless Public Servants such as Robbie.

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  53. FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS It's going to be a bumpy ride...

    He-he-he!

    LOL

    That's rich, mat. I always look forward to some offbeat entertainment on Thanksgiving evening, like old B-movies.

    Bumpy I'm not sure of, but cold?

    Yeah, cold. When the global warming doesn't come through as promised by Gore, and the solar recess mini-ice age sets in, and there's nothing to heat with but hot air from the renewables mavens, and we've blown another trillion on the bogus carbon scams, British can't heat their homes while their lights go out for lack of nuclear plants, and Sarah Palin's pipeline rusts from non-use, while plenty of methane hydrates just evaporate in and around ANWR instead of heating homes in North America and powering the engines of commerce.

    Fasten your seat belts, indeed. And button up your overcoat...

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  54. LT,

    Let me ask you a simple question. What must the price of oil be for your oil companies to make a profit extracting Sarah Palin's Alaskan oil and delivering it to market? Answer me that, and then we can talk about trillion dollar scams.

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  55. Remove the artificial political obstructions erected by the enviro-fascists so they can drill and develop, and you'll find out the price, mat.

    mat: Nah, you're wedded to the old.

    LT: Nah, not wedded to the old, just not infatuated by every gimcrack, new-ager's wet dreams of a green utopia.

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  56. Remove the artificial political obstructions erected by the enviro-fascists
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    Stop with the BS. I asked you a simple question. Answer.

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  57. I asked you a simple question. Answer.

    It's not a simple question, as you well know. So don't fog the issue. Let them drill, develop, and ship the energy, methane and oil, that we need to eliminate our dependence on foreign oil. You'll then find out your price question.

    That's my answer. Take it or leave it.

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  58. For some reason Linear's post 'Button Up Your Overcoat' reminded me of Alice Lidell with whom Charles Dodgson/Lewis Carol may have had a 'relationship'.

    Alice in Wonderland was written for her, and some friends.

    There is a knockout photo of her that might make one think of a Lolita, and the picture I've posted isn't it, I don't think. But it might be. Seems I recall showing some leg, though.

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  59. Alice Liddell



    Drill, drill, drill, and build nuke plants.

    But now, I don't see us doing much of either.

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  60. That's my answer. Take it or leave it.
    ==

    Again, BS.

    The oil companies know exactly at what price they can extract that oil, and what it will cost the build the roads and pipeline to bring that oil to market. I want to know that price.

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  61. Don't ask where I got the figure.:)

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  62. $12.38 per barrel, Mat.
    ==

    Thank you, Bob.

    I'd also be interested to know what it will cost to safeguard this oil, when all you need is one hunting rifle and one bullet and that whole project goes up in smoke.

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  63. Don't ask where I got the figure.:)
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    I wont. Cause I doubt it even covers the insurance costs. :)

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  64. Actually, the pipeline from the oil fields in Alaska has been remarkably trouble free, I blieve. I rmember one drunk Alaskan putting a couple bullet holes with a 30.06 in some pipeline there, but that's about it. Didn't do much harm, except to his police record.

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  65. Didn't do much harm
    ==

    Lucky he was drunk. He missed. I wouldn't count on that next shot to miss again.

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  66. I don't think he did miss. I recall he punched a couple little holes in some pipeline. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, I think it would take something more than a 30.06 to bring the system down.

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  67. Anyway, I think it would take something more than a 30.06 to bring the system down.
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    James Woolsey says the pipeline is VERY vulnerable.

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  68. Yeah, cold. When the global warming doesn't come through as promised by Gore, and the solar recess mini-ice age sets in...
    Linear

    The Greenlanders are, I read, seeking independence from the Danes, though they have home rule now. Anyway, if we get into a mini-ice age again, they're going to have to really hunker down, or get the hell out. There's only about 60,000 of them.

    These Icelandic settlements vanished during the 14th and 15th centuries, likely due to famine and increasing conflicts with the Inuit.[4] The condition of human bones from this period indicates that the Norse population was malnourished, probably because of soil erosion resulting from the Norsemen's destruction of natural vegetation to allow for farming, turf-cutting, and wood-cutting, because of a decline in temperatures during the Little Ice Age, and because of armed conflicts with the Inuit.[3] Jared Diamond suggests that cultural practices, such as rejecting fish as a source of food and relying solely on livestock ill-adapted to Greenland's climate, changed by the so-called "little ice age", resulted in recurring famine which, with environmental degradation, led to abandonment of the colony.[3] However, isotope analysis of the bones of inhabitants shows that marine food sources supplied more and more of the diet of the Norse Greenlanders, making up between 50% and 80% of their diet by the 1300s. wiki

    A place only an Eskimo could love.

    I flew into Greenland once. From the air, nothing but white, far as the eye can see.

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  69. Plenty of 7.62 in the world, Bob.

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  70. Too cold for the jihadi, Mat. :)

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  71. They gang rape blonds in Stockholm, Bob. How cold is that?

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  72. The steel pipe is resistant to gunshots, but on 4 October 2001, a drunken gunman named Daniel Carson Lewis shot a hole into a weld near Livengood, causing a spill of about 6,000 barrels (950 m3). [2][3] Approximately 2 acres (0.81 ha) of tundra were soiled and were removed in the cleanup. The pipeline was repaired and was restarted on 7 October 2001. Lewis, known as a troublemaker in the community of fewer than 30 people, was apprehended four hours after the shooting. He was convicted on multiple state and federal felony charges, including a $10,000 fine and 10-year federal sentence for being a felon in possession of a firearm.

    Trans-Alaska Pipeline System

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  73. Stockholm isn't all that bad. When I was there I saw some bare breasted beauties on a beach.

    I wish the Swedes would kick them all out.

    The jihadis, not the beauties.

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  74. I don't know why they let them in, in the first place, the fools.

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  75. The steel pipe is resistant to gunshots
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    I hope so. I got nothing against getting at all the oil we can get at. I just want us to be honest about the costs.

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  76. I got nothing against getting at all the oil we can get at. I just want us to be honest about the costs.

    Then get the damned tax eaters, rent seekers, enviro-fascists, carbon scam regulators, and crooked politicians out of the way so the market can settle the costs. Put the oil costs up against your wind farms, solar farms, bio-fuels, and sewage reactor electrical plants, and my nuclear reactors and hydro, and let the winner take the day. That's the only way you'll get anywhere near "honest about the costs."

    And, it's going to take a blend of probably all of the above to keep things from spinning out of control, but nobody in government is going to do anything but fuck up the process if they think they can steer the boat better than the marketplace.

    Ask Teresita. She knows about steering boats.

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  77. Put the oil costs up against your wind farms, solar farms, bio-fuels, and sewage reactor electrical plants, and my nuclear reactors and hydro, and let the winner take the day.
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    The costs are out there. Acid rain. Soot. Smog. Radioactive waste. Oil sludge on once pristine beaches. Endless and monotonous urban sprawl. Cities that alienate the pedestrian. $1.4 trillion yearly defense spending. Fake wars for oil. $0.7 trillion going out the window every year to buy foreign oil. Jobs and money going abroad. Fat cat executives riding around in their fleet of corporate jets asking for more and more handouts. Ever growing public debt and looming bankruptcy. The political and civil ecosystem hijacked by entrenched overgrown dinosaur corporations.

    People are sick of your shit.

    People are no longer going to tolerate subsidizing technologies and companies that pollute and destroy and leave taxpayers with the bill for the cleanup.

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  78. Worker Trampled To Death At Wal-Mart
    Great way to start the holiday season, the real Spirit of Christmas. My wife has been a sort of 'cancell Christmas' person for some time. This gives her more ammo. Which is what a lot of those shoppers were probably going to buy.

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  79. Mat, we're trying to get rid of the acid rain by building nuclear plants. The nuclear waste issue is a non-starter.
    But how are you going to dispose of all those batteries for all those electric cars?

    And we want to get away from foreign oil, that's why we want to drill our own. And, like Rufus says, grow it, too.

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  80. The nuclear waste issue is a non-starter.
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    Then let the nuclear industry pay for it. Let them pay for storage. Let them pay for the insurance. Let them pay the legal costs. Let them pay for securing the nuclear supplies. Let them manage their loans w/o gov guarantees. And when their plants fail outright, let them bare the cost of the failure.

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  81. The nuclear waste issue is a non-starter.
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    Good. You and LT enjoy your swimming pools as you and your families go to have refreshing swims there.

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  82. But how are you going to dispose of all those batteries for all those electric cars?
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    Why do we need to dispose of those batteries? What's wrong with recycling them?

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  83. My wife has been a sort of 'cancell Christmas' person for some time.

    Hooray. I'm not alone. Bring whatever spirit and faith you have left to the table, and enjoy what meaning is left to you and your community. But leave the dreck on the shelves.

    Driving up to see my son yesterday, I saw the families along the way already had started putting up their tacky yard displays. Taking their cue from the box stores that were clearing space for Xmas merchandise before Halloween.

    I just quit it all a few years ago.

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  84. About the time Target stores kicked out the Salvation Army bell ringers so's not to offend their mooslim and atheist customers.

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