A profile in courage.
When Warren, noting the 40 million abortions that have taken place since Roe V. Wade, asked John McCain the same question about when life begins, McCain answered:
"At the moment of conception."
To my Evangelical friends, what more do you need to know?
An E-1 (private) could figure this one out.
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ReplyDeleteThen Mr McCain is the greater hypocrite, working in the Federal government while, duriing his tenure, 40 million lives have been taken, with Government aquiessence.
ReplyDeleteHe has not led the protests
He has not resigned in protest
He has not filibustered funding for the Supremes.
He has not respected those 40 mullion lives that began at conception.
Nor did he fight for them.
He has gone with the flow.
He and his politico bretheren lacked the will,
They lacked the courage of their convictions
Because, amigos, if one does not believe life begins at conception, abortion is not murder.
ReplyDeleteBut if one does, then it is.
Mr McCain has stood by, while 40 million US lives were taken. Murdered, in light of his core beliefs.
And he stood by.
Never Standing to.
ReplyDeleteBecause, amigos, if one does not believe life begins at conception, abortion is not murder.
ReplyDeleteBut if one does, then it is.
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That's faulty logic. Babies may begin their life at conception, but that does not mean that at conception they are babies.
Not faulty logic, at all, mat.
ReplyDeleteIf they are lives, they are individuals. Then they are human.
What class of human, what you want to call 'em, that matters little.
No matter, they are still human and still under the jurisdiction of US law and protections.
Still having equal guarentees to the opportunity for life, liberty and pursuing happiness.
Gotta go, for a while
If they are lives, they are individuals. Then they are human.
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Nope. They are developing embryos. You can argue this til you're blue in the face, but the facts remain.
Estimated Bailout
ReplyDelete(In Billions of Dollars)
The Federal Reserve 10
Student Loans 20
PBGC 30
FHA 20
SBA 20
FHLB 50
FDIC 150
Fannie & Freddie 300
Total 600
The financial institution bailouts and the government taxpayer bailouts are looking more like socialism every day.
http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/commentary/guestcommentary?art_id=10092
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Actually, to me it looks like a well planned robbery of the American middle class.
Watch the PBGC - Pension Benefit Guarantee Corp - picked up underfunded pensions from airlines and steel as two of the biggest industries. Also some smaller utilities, including the ones destroyed under Gov Mark Racicot in MT where deregulation led to the cycle of buy-strip-sell assets and dump the unfunded liabilities on the nearest GSE (government sponsored entity - just learned that - didn't know they had their own acronym.)
ReplyDeleteBottom line. By the time sentiment turns and taxpayers get wind of basic economics, the family's retirement - turned over to the ailing PBGC (after two "businesses" went belly-up in bankruptcy court destroying a corrupt utility that survived for 50 years because nobody really cared) just before the guy retired to a million dollar shack on Lake Kalispell - will be worth 50 cents on the dollar. We're pretty much convinced it will all be gone within the decade.
Work hard. Save your pennies. Do the Right Thing. Be responsible.
See what I don't know - aside from everything - is which revolution will hit first - some Commie throwback to the Cold War or raw rage here at home.
Moral of the story being
ReplyDeleteWho's Peter and who's Paul?
Moral of the story being
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3 card monty has better odds.
Playing the odds part of the great game. But I'm going where I don't want to be so will stop.
ReplyDeleteSome crap shoots rigged to the gills with karmic contempt.
Jim Kunstler was introduced to Buddy Larsen.
ReplyDeleteThe world as we know it ceased.
Intarnation - coming back as a hillbilly.
Inczarceration - the step preceding Intarnation.
[Credit to Buddy for *intarnation*]
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of Karma:
ReplyDeleteGMAC is DEAD. GM has lost the ability to lend to car buyers. This means, if you want a GM land yacht, you'll have to go to your local bankrupt, insolvent U.S. bank and beg for a 10% loan.
Your Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla will be available at 1% or maybe 0% financing. Your Nissan electric car will be available for free.
This is the end of GM. Ford is not far behind.
If they are lives, they are individuals. Then they are human.
ReplyDeletenonsense...
if they are BABIES they can LIVE outside the womb...
they may be unique, they may be a potential life but they are not born.
Abortion is the legal right of women, like or not.
President Bush, our current POTUS is against abortion and yet it still stands as the law of the land.
If you dont like abortion then do things to make it un-needed. If everyone who is against abortion were to adopt a child that would be LIVING a purpose driven life... Oh yeah....
McCain has done than...
Rat, your an old fart yes? How many babies have you adopted in your blessed life?
That Giant Sucking Sound.
ReplyDeleteA decade late.
I don't carry the Good Cheer gene but I expect the Forgotten Middle will reassert itself in the many spaces it occupies outside of media awareness.
/end of my Emerson Moment/
Back to you Bob
Birth control makes the issue obsolete.
ReplyDeleteAnd yet how may parents will allow that?
That's no fun. No visceral screaming about morality and lepers.
There's a lot of financial props in place - taking care of a lot of average people.
ReplyDeleteThe Tough Love solution likely to have equally Tough Consequences.
Something to consider when the conversation meanders to more of the same subsidies.
Nope. They are developing embryos. You can argue this til you're blue in the face, but the facts remain.
ReplyDeleteDeveloping embryos. Oh!? That's all?
They look like baby humans but they're just developing embryos...
whit
ReplyDeleteThey look like baby humans but they're just developing embryos...
Whit,
developing embryos do not look like "humans" until much further down the line of development...
at conception they are the size of a pinhead and there is no visual difference between most living animals for quite a while.
Some can argue that LIFE begins at conception.
i would ask what basis do you come up with this?
faith?
If it's faith i would say fine, then what would Jesus say?
Jesus was a Jew, a Rabbi, a practicing Jew...
jewish thought is clear....
But why tell you that when you have created your own "facts"...
So Let's all sing "every sperm is sacred" to each other and have funerals when we get done pulling our puds to the latest nekked linsey lohan crotch pics
Whit,
ReplyDeleteEither way, it's fine with me. I'm really not that passionate on this issue.
The big story is the one you refuse to talk about: "Bamboozle the fscktards until we clean out the Treasury".
"every sperm is sacred"
ReplyDeleteNot true.
Millions of sperm are let loose and yet not everytime is an egg "cracked".
Millions of sperm are let loose and yet not everytime is an egg "cracked".
ReplyDeleteso do you want to have a funeral for a spotty fem napkin when the body discharges an embryo?
I reject the nihilism of the abortion affirmation. The argument turns on tragedy.
ReplyDeleteIf there is no tragedy of a life terminated on the basis of the awareness of self, then that can apply to a two year old as well. In life we cross into awareness and at another time we depart from it. The departed life can be equally unaware of the exit at the time of death. A bullet in the brain probably goes unnoticed by the brain.
The argument is that there is no tragedy as the perception of tragedy ended with the life. Tragedy does not begin until self awareness and ends at death, so the only tragedy is when the individual can experience it. Tragedy only belongs to survivors.
One or forty million is no no particular consequence. The argument is not so much of a death cult as it is of a life cult.
The consequences to such a belief and the practices extrapolated from it lead can lead to death and murder on scales that are not important, except to the survivors.
No thank you.
for those who want to make abortion illegal
ReplyDeletewhat have you done for the living?
does your concern stop the moment the baby is born?
right now living beings, of which there is no dispute, are homeless, lack clean water, food, shelter...
what are you doing?
potential life is not life.
that is why a woman's life is valued more than the fetus she may carry...
viable outside the womb is the concept of what defines a baby to many...
if you deem conception as your benchmark then you go against jesus and his teachings.
jesus NEVER said, life begins at conception....
so why do you?
Funny though...
ReplyDeleteas a prochoice democrat I am still voting for McCain
So, would it be ok to abort BushBaby, or can a reasonable argument be made that BushBaby self aware?
ReplyDeleteI do not know when life begins. I do not know when it ends. Neither does anyone else. Neither did Jesus.
ReplyDeleteJesus was more concerned about life after death than life itself. His followers seem to be as well.
If one believes in life and life is only relevant to those alive, then the teachings and collective wisdom of mankind is relevant only to the living. It is not diminished by the reduction in its application, but of no consequence to the unborn and dead.
That is a philosophy I reject.
BushBaby ^is self aware?
ReplyDeleteLike trying to *prove* String Theory.
ReplyDeleteOr Caret punctuation theory. :)
ReplyDelete"so do you want to have a funeral for a spotty fem napkin when the body discharges an embryo?"
ReplyDeleteNope, my skin is too thick for me to even consider that.
I would feel differently if it was My embryo.
A hoped for seed of life put in my wife's and my care.
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ReplyDeleteBut you have missed the point, amigos.
ReplyDeleteIt is not whether abortion is legal or whether the embryo is a life.
The point is that Johm McCain says that it is a life, and let 40 million of them be extinguished, without leading a fight to stop it.
Which is worse, morally, than not thinking the embryo is a human life.
That provides the measure of the man.
ReplyDeleteA man that wants to be the leader of the free world, but allowed an infantacide, as defined in his own mind, to continue on his watch.
dRat,
ReplyDeleteThis is the same senile fsck that just the other day declared: "In the 21st century, nations don't invade other nations."
So what is your point?
My point is the answer to our hosts question, mat.
ReplyDeleteTo my Evangelical friends, what more do you need to know?
Do you not read the blog?
The Evangelical know who he is. It's about him, it's about his successor VP. McCain is deader than Sharon.
ReplyDelete..It's ^not about him..
ReplyDeleteThe human brain is large enough to see into the future.
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ReplyDelete"..it's about his successor VP.
ReplyDeleteMcCain is deader than Sharon."
Answer in the form of a question:
"Who is Mc'Able?"
Gazing over the promised land, I'd say he's looking to the land of Pawlenty.
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Jesus was more concerned about life after death than life itself. His followers seem to be as well.
ReplyDeleteHis followers are and were quite obsessed about life after death...
As for jesus, his teachings were about LIVING correct, not dying correct...
Christianity via paul became death obsessed....
If life after death is the most important thing, then all those aborted embryo's are fine... in heaven so what's the beef?
What I can't understand is how anyone can think life begins at any other time than at conception. That seems so obvious to me. Putting aside all the speculation of when the 'spirit' or 'soul' might come into the picture. It's a continuum. Something is a building right from the beginning. All that early development is, well, vital to the process.
ReplyDeleteAll this talk about when a baby might live on it's own misses the point. Some premies can 'live on their own' at five months, maybe earlier. They obviously need a little help. On the other hand, a perfectly healthy three year old can't 'live on its own' either. Take that care provided by other human beings away, that healthy three year old is doomed in a month or so.
There's no excuse for all these abortions in our day and age.
As for Obama, he has given about the worst answer one can give. If the question is 'above his pay grade', and I agree it is above his pay grade, then he ought to say I have no opinion on the matter other than political expediency.
As to McCain being a hypocrite, they don't have the votes. Reagan was pro-life too, and many other politicians, and nothing changed. They don't have the votes. Can't get a Supreme Court packed with pro-lifers.
Even if the Supreme Court overturned Roe v Wade it would be back to the states.
Abortion is not going away, like it or not. As a practical matter it's here to stay.
life begins at any other time than at conception
ReplyDeletenonsense...
if that's the case start giving conception certificates...
we have birthdays not conception days....
it's a potential life at conception but it aint a life until it's born and breaths on it's own....
no matter how you slice it...
Jews do not name a baby until it is born.
ReplyDeleteWe'll have to disagree about that, when life begins.
ReplyDeleteIs Ariel Sharon a life at this point? He can't breath on his own, he probably doesn't have any awareness. He can't live on his own. Why not pull the plug?
I like the idea of a 'Conception Day'. Sounds like a good idea to me. Hard to pin it down, just when the event occured, but, if instead of celebrating a 'Birthday' we all started celebrating a 'Conception Day' over time people's outlook might start to change. We could just count back nine months from the birth day, and make that the "Conception Day'.
ReplyDeleteGood idea that, Conception Day.
Ariel Sharon is a life. A life that was given a name. A life fighting for more life.
ReplyDeleteAbortion in Jewish Law
ReplyDeleteI'm a life. I have a name. In my case, I have a living will, and the wife pulls the plug, if I'm in Sharon's condition. And vice versa with her.
ReplyDeleteJesus, far as I know, in any of the gospels including the gnostic gospels, isn't represented as addressing directly either abortion or homosexuality.
ReplyDeleteI'm a life. I have a name.
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True. But your name isn't Ariel Sharon. :D
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ReplyDeleteMat, I don't what to ever be in Sharon's condition. I've seen that stuff. It just isn't worth it.
But, every person to their own choices on the matter.
ReplyDeleteWhat if Sharon makes it? Against all odds.
ReplyDeleteFunny twist of fate and conversation. The companion of a first cousin hit his head and went into coma. His daughter signed the termination of life support papers.
ReplyDeleteThe soap opera of Job continues.
Obama does not stand by on this issue, HE LEADS!
ReplyDelete• Life with Obama
Abortion Champion
Stanek says her friend had been told to take this baby and leave him in a soiled utility closet. She offered to take him instead. “I couldn’t let him die alone,” she says.
Stanek was horrified by this experience. This was not an abortion — it was something worse. Could it be legal to take a living and breathing person of any size, already born and outside his mother’s womb, and just leave him to die, without any thought of treatment?
Stanek’s effort to right this wrong would lead her to testify before various committees. It would lead her to a state senator, Patrick O’Malley, who would propose a bill to stop what was going on at the hospital.
Her attempt to change a corrupt medical practice and bring hope to defenseless infants would put her on a collision course with a state senator named Barack Obama...
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