Intervention leaves the U.S. with three alternatives to counter Assad resurgence.
With Russia's intervention in Syria, it is time to skip the blame game, move quickly to take stock of where we are and count our blessings, and then act on the opportunity to recalibrate our regional strategy.
From the start, the rising against Bashar Assad in Syria was a leaderless, popular revolt, driven by economic and social issues, against a despotic leader and his avaricious retinue. It occurred at a time of regional instabilities driven in large measure by Iran's hegemonic aspirations against Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Sectarianism was less a cause and more a motif of the struggle.
And so our friends and allies aided the uprising, using zealous Sunni fighters to combat Iranian-backed Hezbollah and the Assad regime. In a war among the civilian populace, terrorism was a common and often successful tactic.
Along the way, some of the fledgling Sunni resistance transformed Frankenstein-likeinto the Islamic State, driven by former Baathist generals, sucking in tens of thousands of recruits from abroad and posing a threat not only to its Iranian-backed enemies but also to other Sunni fighters, Sunni states in the region and even beyond.
Russia's forceful intervention last week to assist Assad injects a new and potentially transformative element into the mix.
Naturally, Russia has gone after the strongest threats to Assad's regime first, the non-ISIL Sunni groups near Aleppo and the western, more prosperous reaches of Syria — the very forces the U.S. and its friends are supporting. For Russia, biding its time against ISIL has a certain logic: By eliminating more Western-amenable opponents, Russia can prevent the emergence of any leadership capable of challenging Assad. This will lead to a foregone but ultimately disastrous reinvigoration of Assad's regime.
In such circumstances, the U.S. has three alternatives:
- Maintain our limited involvement, continuing minimal airstrikes against ISIL and working to strengthen Iraqi ground forces, whatever their putative relationships with Russia and Iran and continuing support for Kurdish fighters in Syria.
- Intervene more forcefully, to include substantial ground forces inserted through Turkey into Syria to crush ISIL at its base, deprive it of its economic resources and then work against remaining strongholds in Iraq.
- As a middle course, create a safe zone in northern Syria, secured by U.S. air power and some international ground presence, to nurture a new Syrian leadership.
No course of action is without risk. Maintaining the present strategy — the first course of action — risks ceding Russia a new, more powerful role in the Middle East and the Eastern Mediterranean . This isn't helpful to Europe, Israel or our Sunni friends. It virtually ensures Assad's continuation in power or his replacement by a like-minded authoritarian. And it also ensures continued refugee flow toward Europe.
The second course of action is big, expensive and slow. It risks substantial U.S. ground combat, including losses, in an effort to finish off ISIL in Syria, and in so doing strengthen the moderate Syrian opposition , provide assurances to minorities and generally undercut Assad's ability with Russian help to reestablish control over the region. It also poses a direct obstacle to Russian designs. It provides bargaining leverage for an eventual diplomatic settlement that includes Assad's departure. It will be complicated by massive civil affairs, refugee and migrant issues.
The third alternative — establishing a safe zone in northern Syria, accommodating refugees under protection, building the Syrian opposition — also has risks. Terrorist organizations such as the al-Nusra Front can be expected to resist. Russia will be tempted to encroach. Airspace and terrain must be protected, even with risk to U.S. forces and the danger of inadvertent encounters with the Russian military.
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Of the three, the last alternative, forging a safe area, probably with NATO engagement and participation of both Turkey and Saudi Arabia , offers the best, lowest cost and the surest means of regaining some stability in the region. A safe zone, secured by NATO, assisted by other international organizations, and housing the nascent Free Syrian government and its military arm, would provide maximum diplomatic leverage as well as point toward the eventual destruction of ISIL.
Make no mistake, Russia's intervention is all about advancing Russia's interests — a strong presence in the Middle East, leverage over the U.S. and Europe, and eventually sanctions relief and re-established influence over Ukraine and Eastern Europe . None of this will promote our values or interests. For this reason, there must be no relaxation of sanctions against Russia.
President Vladimir Putin must be disabused of any hope of gaining leverage over Europe and greater influence over Ukraine by his Syrian gambit. Also, we must recognize that the viability of the recently negotiated Iran nuclear agreement is dependent on the credibility of American power; to go passive now in the face of Russian action is to jeopardize the agreement at the very outset.
The Middle East remains a region of vital interests for the U.S. and our allies. However misguided the original invasion of Iraq, we find ourselves today in a new situation. We needn't repeat the mistakes of a decade ago — but neither can we fail to react to the new circumstances and their implications. This is the time for smart American action, in concert with our allies in Europe and the region.
Retired general Wesley K. Clark , a former supreme commander of NATO, led alliance military forces in the Kosovo War . He is a senior fellow at the Burkle Center for International Relations at UCLA and author of Don't Wait for the Next War: A Strategy for American Growth and Global Leadership .
In addition to its own editorials, USA TODAY publishes diverse opinions from outside writers, including our Board of Contributors. To read more columns like this, go to the Opinion front page.
4th, and best, option:
ReplyDeletetell bibi, and ziggy, to go fuck themselves, leave the governance of Syria up to Assad, and Pootie, and continue killing the headcutters when we have the opportunity.
There are exactly 3 groups of people in the world that give a fuck about Syria: bibi's cabinet, pootie's cabinet, and assad's cabinet.
You could search the rest of your life, and not find a single thread of interest between Syria, and Clan Rufus.
Syria was and is a terrorist incubator that has murdered scores of Americans.
DeleteIf you would pull your ignorant drunk head out of that selfish POV for a nanosecond and understand what happens in Syria does impact the USA you'd have some insight.
Now go back to your bottle.
Bull shit.
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DeleteAre you actually saying that Assad of Syria was not a support and incubator or terrorism?
That those Palestinian terror groups have murder scores of Americans?
What planet of denial do you live on Deuce?
Or are you saying that since some of those Americans were Jews and or Zionists that their murders just don't matter?
The Neocons have gotten more Americans killed and injured along with millions more. All your made up facts, generalities and AIPAC talking points are rubbish and have been challenged with facts thousands of times on this blog.
DeleteYou and the lobotomized Idaho sheep dog have yet to put up one argument based on anything other than Israeli or Neocon snake oil. When you get challenged you pull out your ant-Jew and anti-semite aerosol can and think it will cover the stench of your verbal farts.
I notice you don't actually respond to my points.
DeleteTell us, are you actually capable of answering the post that I posted?
Try again:
Are you actually saying that Assad of Syria was not a support and incubator or terrorism?
That those Palestinian terror groups have murder scores of Americans?
What planet of denial do you live on Deuce?
Or are you saying that since some of those Americans were Jews and or Zionists that their murders just don't matter?
Deuce you have AIPAC and NEOCONS so far up your butt you cannot be objective.
DeleteTry being rational.
Are you actually saying that Assad of Syria was not a support and incubator or terrorism?
That those Palestinian terror groups have murder scores of Americans?
DeleteDon't tell us about other group's so called crimes....
Answer the question.
You called "bull shit"
now back it up...
Deuce ☂Fri Oct 09, 11:57:00 AM EDT
DeleteThe Neocons have gotten more Americans killed and injured along with millions more. All your made up facts, generalities and AIPAC talking points are rubbish and have been challenged with facts thousands of times on this blog.
You and the lobotomized Idaho sheep dog have yet to put up one argument based on anything other than Israeli or Neocon snake oil. When you get challenged you pull out your ant-Jew and anti-semite aerosol can and think it will cover the stench of your verbal farts.
Typical non-responsive garbage. When you can't actually argue a point? You personally attack folks.
Israel hasn't had a thing to do with Iraq or Syria, dead brain.
DeleteIt's Obama and folks like you that were so hot to pull willy nilly out of Iraq that have gotten so many killed.
Don't believe me ?
Try Garry Kasparov.
Verbal farts ?
JeeeeeSUS Christ, just look at the horse shit you put up here day after day.
Just the other day you told us here that Assad was nice to his minorities.
Assad and his bunch ARE the minorities.............
And so I put up an article about how the wonderfully nice Assad clan wiped out 20,000 people in Hama, bulldozing the dead.....
Verbal farts ?
O look homeward, Angel......
Good CHRIST
Heh, totally wacko art thou......
Well, Cheers, I got thins ta do......
Keep on propagandizin'
No Idaho game this weekend, Vandal Fans.
DeleteElk season starts tomorrow.
I have hired a hunter to shoot an elk, and hopefully a wolf or three too.....
Later
The Assad clan is nice to minorities......
DeleteJeSUS
That is just ass backwards as to what the truth has been for decades......
Drudge says USA has cancelled its program to aid the valiant Free Syrian Group......
DeleteWhat a fiasco.....
I think Rufus has this one about right.......if it don't affect Clan Rufus, fuck it......
OUT
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ReplyDeleteA bounce back for petroleum prices helped limit import-price contraction in September, coming in at only minus 0.1 percent. But contraction in export prices, where agriculture and not petroleum is the wild card, was very heavy, at minus 0.7 percent in the month. Year-on-year rates are very weak, still in the double-digits for imports at minus 10.7 percent and at minus 7.4 percent for exports. But the price bounce for petroleum is a reminder that the great price drag from this year's oil rout may have run its course, especially given this month's early strength in oil prices. Still, this is a weak report that underscores the strong dollar's negative-price effects on imports.
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LONDON - The Pentagon will Friday announce the official end of its failed program to "train and equip" Syrian rebels and replace it with a far less ambitious program, defense officials said.
The "training" part of the program — which managed to field only "four or five" Syrian rebels into the battle against ISIS in Syria at a cost of about $50 million — will be halted, according to senior defense officials.
"Instead of combat training for the rebels, they will now be used as "enablers" to identify targets and call in airstrikes for U.S. and coalition warplanes.
The 'equip' part of the program, which provided small arms, ammunition and vehicles, will be dramatically reduced to providing ammunition for some 5,000 friendly moderate Syrian rebels.
Many of the weapons and vehicles provided to the first group of Syrian rebels quickly fell into the hands of enemy forces, such as the al Qaeda-backed Al Nusra Front...
Pentagon Cancelling Plan to Train and Equip Syrian Rebels
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DeleteThe program was an embarrassment.
Ash Carter is an embarrassment.
I have always complained they only give us a wildly pollyannish view of the war. Yet, when they tell us the truth it is an embarrassment.
Perhaps, they should just shut up and do what they are going to do.
We all know what the bottom line will end up being anyway. Why put us through the constant embarrassment?
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ReplyDeleteOil prices up.
If Putin can't get them up one way, he will try another.
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The third alternative — establishing a safe zone in northern Syria, accommodating refugees under protection, building the Syrian opposition — also has risks. Terrorist organizations such as the al-Nusra Front can be expected to resist. Russia will be tempted to encroach. Airspace and terrain must be protected, even with risk to U.S. forces and the danger of inadvertent encounters with the Russian military.
Of the three, the last alternative, forging a safe area, probably with NATO engagement and participation of both Turkey and Saudi Arabia, offers the best, lowest cost and the surest means of regaining some stability in the region. A safe zone, secured by NATO, assisted by other international organizations, and housing the nascent Free Syrian government and its military arm, would provide maximum diplomatic leverage as well as point toward the eventual destruction of ISIL...
Has anyone heard anything about our little adventure in Iraq lately?
I've already pointed out the problems with Clark's "best" solution so I won't go there.
Analogies are rarely right on but here is an interesting thought provoker pointing out how small events can escalate given the right situation...
The Middle East in 2015 Is a Lot Like Europe in 1914
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DeleteEvery country in the ME is at war right now to one degree or another, fighting Sunni insurgents, fighting Iranian hegemony, dealing with the lingering effects of the Arab Spring. There are those that argue that Israel is currently at the beginning of a third intifada.
And the US is right in the middle of it. And seems confused.
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Israel is in beginning of a third intifada. But Hamas is also shooting rockets and bragging about it's tunes being ready for another round. Hezbollah is restocked and has taken delivery of even more advanced rockets and surface to surface missiles.
DeleteIt's war Quirk, it will be bloody.
People on both sides will die.
Abbas: We won't allow Jews' "filthy feet"
Delete"We bless every drop of blood
that has been spilled for Jerusalem...
blood spilled for Allah...
Every Martyr will reach Paradise,
and everyone wounded will be rewarded by Allah"
PA: Jews are filth, they desecrate and defile Jerusalem
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ReplyDeleteThe second course of action is big, expensive and slow. It risks substantial U.S. ground combat, including losses, in an effort to finish off ISIL in Syria, and in so doing strengthen the moderate Syrian opposition, provide assurances to minorities and generally undercut Assad's ability with Russian help to reestablish control over the region...
The bolded phrase is what makes me question Clark's real appreciation for what is going on in Syria.
Does anyone think the minorities in Iraq/Syria look to the US as their savior? Right now, it is Russia that seems to be coming to the aid of the minorities, christians, Alawites, etc. in Syria.
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Obama has effectively neutered anyone in trusting it (for the time being)
DeleteYesterday, Palestinian Authority Chairman Abbas described Jews on the Temple Mount as "filth":
Delete"The Al-Aqsa [Mosque] is ours... and they have no right to defile it with their filthy feet. We will not allow them to, and we will do everything in our power to protect Jerusalem."
[Official PA TV, Sept. 16, 2015
and official website of PA Chairman Abbas, Sept. 16, 2015]
In his speech, parts of which were broadcast on official PA TV and posted on his personal website, Abbas also glorified Palestinians fighting against Israel in Jerusalem who are killed in the fighting. Abbas promised that Allah will reward those who "will not allow" Jews to "defile" Jerusalem:
"We bless every drop of blood that has been spilled for Jerusalem, which is clean and pure blood, blood spilled for Allah, Allah willing. Every Martyr (Shahid) will reach Paradise, and everyone wounded will be rewarded by Allah."
Shit, Deuce, you even said Assad Jr. was duly fairly elected with 88%+ of the 'vote'.
ReplyDeleteWhat the fuck goofy world do you live in ?
OUT, I promise, cause I have the car keys in hand.....
I guess it still holds true, thousands of years later, " All roads lead to Damascus".
ReplyDeleteAlmost like a culmination of a long, drawn out story.
But to the disengaged, it looks like a quagmire.
I raise my glass to the author, The Almighty!
Here's to the end of days boys!
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ReplyDeleteScrew Garry Kasparov and the horse he rode in on. He lost in Russia. Now he is trying to incite war wherever he can manage it.
There are dolts that argue that US actions have caused much of the turmoil now present in the ME. They then go on to argue that the US has a responsibility to try to fix the damage.
My position is they might be right on the first part but are wrong on the latter. I would change my view if I thought the US had a snowball's chance in hell of fixing anything there. I base that on our experience there over the last two decades. In the end, we have proven ourselves incapable of doing anything but making matters worse.
Obama seems to have realized the same thing. His cautious approach indicates he is merely trying to run out his time in office and escape the FUBAR, turning the mess over to the next guy in 2016.
Garry Kasparov? Leaving Iraq too early? Damn, talk about dolts.
Bush signed the Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq. That agreement...
1. Pulled all of the US troops out of the major cities in 2009. That guaranteed that the number of US troops killed would be minimized as they were somewhat isolated from the sectarian violence that continued in the cities. Even with this, 1000 more US troops were killed in the three years following the agreement.
2. Guaranteed that ALL troops would be out of Iraq by the end of 2011. That guarantee was the primary reason al Sadr pulled his militants out of the fighting, a major factor in reducing the level of the fighting.
The CIA vetted all the candidates in the election for leaders of the Iraqi government. The Bush administration approved of al Malicki because they thought he was inexperienced and could be easily manipulated. They also thought that of the candidates he was the least influenced by Iran. They were wrong on both fronts. It wasn't long after he was elected that al Malicki started a brutal crackdown on all of his opponents. After consolidating his power, he started the discriminatory policies along sectarian lines that came to exemplify his reign.
By paying off the Anbar sheiks, Bush was able to push al Queda out of Iraq. In doing so, he drove them into Syria. ISIS is an offshoot of al Queda in Iraq. When you consider that ISIS leaders like al Baghdadi were radicalized by the US in the Iraqi prisons and that much of the ISIS officer core is made up of Baathist officers who became unemployed and went to Syria after Bush broke up the Iraqi army, it is hard to deny that the US played a significant part in creating ISIS. Remember there was no al Queda in Iraq before Bush invaded.
Given this, it is silly to argue that keeping a few thousand US troops in Iraq would have prevented the current situation in Iraq/Syria. It is merely an excuse used by the neocons and their useful idiots to try minimize the ignominy of their disastrous policies. Bush was unable to predict al Malicki's actions. We were unable to change his moves when we had 100,000 troops there. How the hell would a few thousand US troops scattered around the country in 'Lily Pad' bases going to change the trajectory of events in Iraq.
All that they would have guaranteed is that they would have become targets for ongoing terrorist attacks. As for ISIS, were the US troops to stand up to the ISIS it would require the same support forces we have now plus the introduction of additional troops.
Now, if you want to argue that US troops should be fighting in Iraq that is a different question. The American people may disagree with you though.
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Even the Democrats are calling the 'Obama Foreign Policy' a "joke" -
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In truth we have no foreign policy, at least that anyone can articulate -
Kaine: Obama’s strategy in Syria is “a joke”
posted at 6:41 pm on October 9, 2015 by Ed Morrissey
This ain’t exactly a Friday night document dump. Yesterday, even before the White House finally acknowledged publicly that their program to train Syrian rebels was an embarrassing failure, Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA) put it and the overall plan for Syria in stronger, more direct terms. Kaine tells Virginia radio host John Fredericks that the entire strategy is “a joke”:
“In Syria, the strategy’s a joke,” he said on “The John Fredericks Show” broadcasting from Chesapeake, Va.
“The idea that you can train 30 people and put them in a civil war featuring millions and have them be effective is highly fanciful,” said Kaine, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
“You could tell they were Sisyphus trying to roll the boulder up the hill.” …
He said Friday that the United States shares blame with other world powers for failing to address Syria, where a long-running civil war has spurred a mass migration from the country.
“All of this is because the nations of the West haven’t come up with a real strategy about what to do with respect to Syria [and] the U.S. is right there on the fault list with everybody else,” Kaine said.
Kaine faults Congress for not passing an authorization to use military force against ISIS in Syria, but we’ve got an AUMF that covers Iraq and we’re not doing anything there either. Kaine then argues that changing from defense of US interests in Irbil to going on offense against ISIS would historically require a positive authorization from Capitol Hill, but again, we have a 2002 AUMF that would cover offensive operations in Iraq. Also, Kaine fails to explain how Obama managed to go on offense against Moammar Qaddafi in Libya in 2011 without Congress’ authorization but is supposedly hamstrung against ISIS. Go figure.
Meanwhile, Kaine’s colleague Bob Corker (R-TN) wants to subpoena John Kerry to get some explanation of exactly what the Obama administration’s strategy is:
Sen. Bob Corker is considering issuing a subpoena for Secretary of State John Kerry, reflecting growing frustration among Republicans that Kerry is stonewalling the panel in an effort to avoid testifying about the Syrian civil war.
Corker, chairman of the Foreign Relations committee, also alleges the State Department isn’t being truthful about Kerry’s schedule to avoid a panel appearance.
Corker (R-Tenn.) has been trying to secure a Kerry visit to discuss the brutal Syrian civil war for more than a week, sources said, but the chairman now claims that Kerry won’t return his phone calls, wants to send “underlings” to testify in his stead and is sending Congress signals that he is out of town when he is not.
Now, Corker says he’s mulling more serious action.
“I don’t know what steps to take, subpoenaing a secretary of state is certainly an extraordinary step and one that needs to be thought about,” Corker said at an unrelated committee business meeting on Thursday. “I don’t know what to do when you have the biggest crisis, people flooding into Europe, 100 percent change taking place on the ground.”
Right now, the strategy looks like a reverse Teddy Roosevelt — speak loudly and carry a twig. It may be a joke, as Kaine says, but no one’s laughing. At least not in the US or Europe, anyway. In Moscow, who knows?
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/10/09/kaine-obamas-strategy-in-syria-is-a-joke/
Perhaps Quart can 'splain it all to us.......
(Quart's no Garry Kasparov though, so I imagine he'll get lost somewhere between coincidences and causalities)
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DeletePerhaps Quart can 'splain it all to us.......
Of course, I can explain it.
Now, Corker says he’s mulling more serious action.
“I don’t know what steps to take, subpoenaing a secretary of state is certainly an extraordinary step and one that needs to be thought about,” Corker said at an unrelated committee business meeting on Thursday.
John Kerry is merely following the same strategy Cindi Rice employed during the Bush administration. From Wiki...
In March 2004, Rice declined to testify before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (the 9/11 Commission). The White House claimed executive privilege under constitutional separation of powers and cited past tradition. Under pressure, Bush agreed to allow her to testify[55] so long as it did not create a precedent of presidential staff being required to appear before United States Congress when so requested. Her appearance before the commission on April 8, 2004, was accepted by the Bush administration in part because she was not appearing directly before Congress. She thus became the first sitting National Security Advisor to testify on matters of policy.
In April 2007, Rice [as SOS] rejected, on grounds of executive privilege, a House subpoena regarding the prewar claim that Iraq sought yellowcake uranium from Niger.[56]
Surely, that was the only 'splainin you need from me. I agree with most of the rest in the article. How many damn times do I have say 'If there is any strategy in Syria, other than getting Obama to 2017, that strategy is a joke'. I also agree with Kaine that if the Congress want's a war in Syria they should have passed a specific AMUF for it. If they are dissatisfied with Obama using the 2002 AMUF, they had a chance to repeal. They passed on that option. It got no support when raised. One has to assume they have decided Obama has all the authorization he needs.
Why do you ask that this stuff be explained to you when you know your short-term (and long-term) memory is for shits and you won't remember any of this tomorrow anyway.
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Condoleezza Rice and Bob Gates have their say -
ReplyDeletePutin is indeed reacting to circumstances in the Middle East. He sees a vacuum created by our hesitancy to fully engage in places such as Libya and to stay the course in Iraq. But Putin as the defender of international stability? Don’t go there.
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How America can counter Putin’s moves in Syria
Russian President Vladimir Putin. (Alexei Nikolsky/AP)
By Condoleezza Rice and Robert M. Gates October 8 at 9:08 PM
Condoleezza Rice was secretary of state from 2005 to 2009. Robert M. Gates was defense secretary from 2006 to 2011.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-to-counter-putin-in-syria/2015/10/08/128fade2-6c66-11e5-b31c-d80d62b53e28_story.html
They are not opposed to Uncle Bob's idea of no fly zones, safe zones.......though Uncle Bob worries these days.....
Second, we have to create our own facts on the ground. No-fly zones and safe harbors for populations are not “half-baked” ideas. They worked before (protecting the Kurds for 12 years under Saddam Hussein’s reign of terror) and warrant serious consideration. We will continue to have refugees until people are safe. Moreover, providing robust support for Kurdish forces, Sunni tribes and what’s left of the Iraqi special forces is not “mumbo-jumbo.” It might just salvage our current, failing strategy. A serious commitment to these steps would also solidify our relationship with Turkey, which is reeling from the implications of Moscow’s intervention. In short, we must create a better military balance of power on the ground if we are to seek a political solution acceptable to us and to our allies.
If Condi wants no fly zones, safe zones, who the hell am I to argue ?
I always liked her......
How pathetic. How can so many people be so ignorant of the basic rules learned on the street.
DeleteRule: Not every fight is your fight
Rule: When you get into a fight, hurt your opponent quckly. Winning is not as important as hurting him
Rule: Hurting an opponent is the greatest deterrent
Rule: You never want a rematch
Rule: A good fight is a short fight
Rule: Long fights always end in a rematch
Rule: Avoid fights with weaker opponents, it only encourages stronger opponents
Rule: A counter punch is much stronger than a sucker punch
Is Condi a "war monger", Quart ?
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DeleteOf course.
She was neocon.
She was a Vulcan, part of the group Bush called upon before his first election to give himself foreign policy cred. The group included Richard Armitage, Robert Blackwill, Stephen Hadley, Scooter Libby, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Dov Zakheim, Robert Zoellick, and ol' Condi. Many of that group were given positions in the Bush administration. Condi worked as Bush's NSA and SOS.
She and the group with her advised Bush. She covered for him, or at least made excuses for him, although she refused to testify to Congress based on 'executive privilege'. She also carried water for him She was the one who passed on White House approval to George Tenet for waterboarding and other 'techniques'.
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DeleteCondi is a neocon's neocon.
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Ah, but of course.
DeleteWhat about Robert Gates ? He worked for both Bush and Obama.
Is he a "war monger" too ?
If he is, does that make Obama a "war monger" as well ?
If one employs a war monger isn't it fair to call one a war monger too ?
I think all these labels are bullshit.
Obama is the biggest monger of them all, bigger than any of the 'mongers' you mentioned above for pulling the troops out too early and causing all this chaos.
World | Fri Oct 9, 2015 10:09pm EDT
Related: World, Russia, Syria
Islamic State closes in on Syrian city of Aleppo; U.S. abandons rebel training effort
BEIRUT/ANKARA | By Dominic Evans and Parisa Hafezi
Islamic State fighters have seized villages close to the northern city of Aleppo from rival insurgents, a monitoring group said on Friday, despite an intensifying Russian air-and-sea campaign that Moscow says has targeted the militant group.
News of the advance came as the United States announced it was largely abandoning its failed program to train moderate rebels fighting Islamic State and would instead provide arms and equipment directly to rebel leaders and their units on the battlefield.
The Obama administration is grappling with a dramatic change in the four-year-old Syrian civil war brought about by Moscow's intervention in support of President Bashar al-Assad..................
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/10/us-mideast-crisis-syria-aleppo-idUSKCN0S30J220151010
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DeleteI wouldn't call Gates a war monger.
I would can Obama a neocon or the Democratic equivalent. Look at Libya.
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Uncle Bob has decided to go with Condi (and Bob Gates).
ReplyDeleteIf Condi thinks no fly zones and safe zones are the way to go, and still doable, who am I to argue ?
After all, the Rooskies are her area of study, the area in which she got her Ph.D.
I defer to Condi.
Safe zones and no fly zones it is.....