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Saturday, October 17, 2015

A former US drone operator has been awarded the biennial 'Whistleblower award' in Germany. Brandon Bryant revealed details of the secret programme he worked on


Secret military documents obtained by The Intercept offer rare documentary evidence of the process by which the Obama administration creates and acts on its kill list of terror suspects in Yemen and Somalia. The documents offer an unusual glimpse into the decision-making process behind the drone strikes and other operations of the largely covert war, outlining the selection and vetting of targets through the ranks of the military and the White House, culminating in the president’s approval of a 60-day window for lethal action.

THE DOCUMENTS COME FROM a Pentagon study, circulated in early 2013, evaluating the intelligence and surveillance technology behind the military’s Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) killing campaign in Yemen and Somalia in 2011 and 2012.
The study, carried out by the Pentagon’s Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance Task Force, illuminates and in some cases contradicts the administration’s public description of a campaign directed at high-level terrorists who pose an imminent threat to the United States. It admits frankly that capturing terrorists is a rare occurrence and hints at the use of so-called signature strikes against unknown individuals exhibiting suspicious behavior.
The Intercept obtained two versions of the study, a longer presentation dated February 2013, and an executive summary from May 2013, which includes a slide showing the chain of command leading to the approval of a lethal strike.

A slide from a May 2013 Pentagon presentation shows the chain of command for ordering drone strikes and other operations carried out by JSOC in Yemen and Somalia.

GCC = Geographic Combatant Command; SECDEF = Secretary of Defense; PDC/PC = Principals’ Deputies Committee/Principals Committee; CoM = Chief of Mission; CoS = Chief of Station
The Obama administration has been loath to declassify even the legal rationale for drone strikes — let alone detail the bureaucratic structure revealed in these documents. Both the CIA and JSOC conduct drone strikes in Yemen, and very little has been officially disclosed about either the military’s or the spy agency’s operations.
“The public has a right to know who’s making these decisions, who decides who is a legitimate target, and on what basis that decision is made,” said Jameel Jaffer, deputy legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union.

Illustrations: The Intercept
Photo: Feierstein: Landov; all other photos: Getty Images
Both the Pentagon and the National Security Council declined to respond to detailed questions about the study and about the drone program more generally. The NSC would not say if the process for approving targets or strikes had changed since the study was produced.


The May 2013 slide describes a two-part process of approval for an attack: step one, “‘Developing a target’ to ‘Authorization of a target,’” and step two, “‘Authorizing’ to ‘Actioning.’” According to the slide, intelligence personnel from JSOC’s Task Force 48-4, working alongside other intelligence agencies, would build the case for action against an individual, eventually generating a “baseball card” on the target, which was “staffed up to higher echelons — ultimately to the president.”
The intelligence package on the person being targeted passed from the JSOC task force tracking him to the command in charge of the region — Centcom for Yemen, and Africom for Somalia — and then to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, followed by the secretary of defense. It was then examined by a circle of top advisers known as the Principals Committee of the National Security Council, and their seconds in command, known collectively as the Deputies Committee.
The slide detailing the kill chain indicates that while Obama approved each target, he did not approve each individual strike, although news accounts have previously reported that the president personally “signs off” on strikes outside of Afghanistan or Pakistan. However, the slide does appear to be consistent with Obama’s comment in 2012 that “ultimately I’m responsible for the process.”

There have been various accounts of this drone bureaucracy, and almost all stress the role of Obama’s influential counterterrorism adviser John Brennan (who became director of the CIA in 2013) and of top administration lawyers in deciding who could be killed. Under Brennan, the nominations process was reportedly concentrated in the White House, replacing video conferences once run by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and elevating the role of the National Counterterrorism Center in organizing intelligence. Later in 2013, the White House reportedly tightened control over individual strikes in Yemen.
At the time of the study, with the president’s approval, JSOC had a 60-day window to hit a target. For the actual strike, the task force needed approval from the Geographic Combatant Command as well as the ambassador and CIA station chief in the country where the target was located. For a very important target, such as al Qaeda-linked preacher Anwar al Awlaki, who was a U.S. citizen, “it would take a high-level official to approve the strike,” said Lt. Col. Mark McCurley, a former drone pilot who worked on operations in Yemen and recently published a book about his experiences. “And that includes a lot of lawyers and a lot of review at different levels to reach that decision. We have an extensive chain of command, humans along the whole link that monitor the entire process from start to finish on an airstrike.” The country’s government was also supposed to sign off. “One Disagrees = STOP,” the slide notes, with a tiny red stop sign.
In practice, the degree of cooperation with the host nation has varied. Somalia’s minister of national security, Abdirizak Omar Mohamed, told The Intercept that the United States alerted Somalia’s president and foreign minister of strikes “sometimes ahead of time, sometimes during the operation … normally we get advance notice.” He said he was unaware of an instance where Somali officials had objected to a strike, but added that if they did, he assumed the U.S. would respect Somalia’s sovereignty.
By 2011, when the study’s time frame began, Yemen’s president Ali Abdullah Saleh was in crisis. Facing domestic protests during the Arab Spring, he left the country in June 2011 after being injured in a bombing. Both the CIA and JSOC stepped up their drone campaigns, which enjoyed vocal support from Saleh’s eventual successor, Abdu Rabbu Mansour Hadi.
“It was almost never coordinated with Saleh. Once Hadi became president, March 2012, there was a big chance we’d be in the loop” before drone strikes were conducted, said a former senior Yemeni official who worked for both the Saleh and Hadi governments.
Today, with Yemen’s capital under the control of the Houthi rebel group and undergoing bombardment by Saudi Arabia, administration lawyers do not seem worried about asking permission to carry out drone strikes amid the fray.
“Now, I think they don’t even bother telling anyone. There is really no one in charge to tell,” said the former Yemeni official, who requested anonymity citing current unrest and the fact that he no longer works for the government.


Both the Bush and Obama administrations have maintained that the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force, or AUMF, permits the pursuit of members of al Qaeda and its affiliates wherever they may be located.
The Pentagon study refers throughout to operations that fall under AUMF. But it also underlines how the targeted killing campaigns differ from traditional battlefields, noting that the region is located “Outside a Defined Theater of Active Armed Conflict,” which limits “allowable U.S. activities.”
Obama administration officials have said that in addition to being a member of al Qaeda or an associated force, targets must also pose a significant threat to the United States. In May 2013, facing increasing pressure to fully admit the existence of the drone war and especially to address allegations of civilian harm, the White House released policy guidelines for lethal counterterrorism operations that seemed to further restrict them. In a speech, Obama announced that action would be taken only against people who posed a “continuing, imminent threat to the American people,” and who could not be captured. A strike would only occur with “near certainty” that no civilians would be killed or injured.
Even with the new guidelines, legal observers, particularly human rights lawyers, have disputed the Obama administration’s position that the U.S., in strict legal terms, is in an armed conflict with al Qaeda in Yemen or Somalia — and therefore dispute what standards should apply to strikes. Others question the extent to which the hundreds of people killed in drone strikes in those countries meet the supposedly strict criteria.
“I think there can be questions raised about how stringently some of the requirements are being applied,” said Jennifer Daskal, an assistant professor of law at American University who worked for the Department of Justice from 2009 to 2011. “Near certainty of no civilian deaths, is that really imposed? What does it mean for capture not to be feasible? How hard do you have to try?”
It is not clear whether the study reflects the May policy guidance, since it does not give an extensive description of the criteria for approving a target, noting only that the target must be “a threat to U.S. interest or personnel.”
A spokesperson for the National Security Council would not explain why the standards in the study differed from the guidelines laid out in May 2013, but emphasized that “those guidelines remain in effect today.”
The two-month window for striking, says Hina Shamsi, director of the ACLU’s National Security Project, shows the administration’s broad interpretation of “a continuing, imminent threat.”
“If you have approval over a monthslong period, that sends the signal of a presumption that someone is always targetable, regardless of whether they are actually participating in hostilities,” said Shamsi.
The slide illustrating the chain of approval makes no mention of evaluating options for capture. It may be implied that those discussions are part of the target development process, but the omission reflects the brute facts beneath the Obama administration’s stated preference for capture: Detention of marked targets is incredibly rare.
chart in the study shows that in 2011 and 2012, captures accounted for only 25 percent of operations carried out in the Horn of Africa — and all were apparently by foreign forces. In one of the few publicized captures of the Obama presidency, al Shabaab commander Ahmed Abdulkadir Warsame was picked up in April 2011 by U.S. forces in the Gulf of Aden and brought to Manhattan for trial, though he may not be reflected in the study’s figures because he was apprehended at sea.
The Pentagon study recommended more captures, rather than killings, because of the intelligence that could be gleaned from interrogations and collected materials.
EKIA = Enemy Killed in Action; HOA = Horn of Africa
The study does not contain an overall count of strikes or deaths, but it does note that “relatively few high-level terrorists meet criteria for targeting” and states that at the end of June 2012, there were 16 authorized targets in Yemen and only four in Somalia.
Despite the small number of people on the kill list, in 2011 and 2012 there were at least 54 U.S. drone strikes and other attacks reported in Yemen, killing a minimum of 293 people, including 55 civilians, according to figures compiled by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism. In Somalia, there were at least three attacks, resulting in the deaths of at minimum six people.
Some of those Yemen strikes were likely carried out by the CIA, which since mid-2011 has flown drones to Yemen from a base in Saudi Arabia and reportedly has its own kill list and rules for strikes. Yet it is also clear that the military sometimes harmed multiple other people in trying to kill one of those high-level targets. The study includes a description of the hunt for an alleged al Qaeda member referred to as “Objective Rhodes” or “Anjaf,” who is likely Fahd Saleh al-Anjaf al-Harithi, who was reported killed in July 2012, on the same day as Objective Rhodes. A failed strike on Harithi that April killed two “enemies.” News accounts at the time reported three “militants” had died.
A slide from February 2013 recounts the hunt for an alleged al Qaeda member (likely Fahd Saleh al-Anjaf al-Harithi) showing that two others died in a botched attempt to kill him.
The large number of reported strikes may also be a reflection of signature strikes in Yemen, where people can be targeted based on patterns of suspect behavior. In 2012, administration officials said that President Obama had approved strikes in Yemen on unknown people, calling them TADS, or “terror attack disruption strikes,” and claiming that they were more constrained than the CIA’s signature strikes in Pakistan.
The study refers to using drones and spy planes to “conduct TADS related network development,” presumably a reference to surveilling behavior patterns and relationships in order to carry out signature strikes. It is unclear what authorities govern such strikes, which undermine the administration’s insistence that the U.S. kills mainly “high-value” targets.


According to the White House guidelines released in May 2013, the decision to take a strike should be based on thorough surveillance and only occur in the absence of civilians. A strike requires “near certainty that the terrorist target is present” and “near certainty that non-combatants will not be injured or killed.”
The study describes the rules for a strike slightly differently, stating that there must be a “low CDE [collateral damage environment]” — meaning a low estimate of how many innocent people might be harmed. It also states there must be “near certainty” that the target is present, “based on two forms of intelligence,” with “no contradictory intelligence.” In contrast to the White House statement, the “near certainty” standard is not applied to civilians.
The study cites the “need to avoiding [sic] collateral damage areas” as a reason for “unsuccessful” missions, but it does not give numbers of civilian casualties or examples of bad intelligence leading to a mistaken kill.
Since the first drone strike in Yemen in 2002, hundreds of people have been killed in U.S. operations in Yemen and Somalia, many of them innocent civilians. The tallies shown here were compiled by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism from reports of both CIA and JSOC drone strikes and other operations. The large range in the estimates is due to the inherent difficulties of collecting data on airstrikes in war zones. The identities of the “people killed” were often unknown and may include civilians as well as suspected terrorists or militants. The U.S. almost never publicly acknowledges individual operations.
Graphic: The Intercept
Yet the overall conclusion is that getting accurate positive identification is a “critical” issue for the drone program in the region, due to limitations in technology and the number of spy aircraft available. The military relies heavily on signals intelligence — drawn from electronic communications — and much of it comes from foreign governments, who may have their own agendas.
Identifying the correct target relates directly to the issue of civilian casualties: If you don’t have certainty about your target, it follows that you may well be killing innocent people. In Iraq and Afghanistan, “when collateral damage did occur, 70 percent of the time it was attributable to failed — that is, mistaken — identification,” according to a paper by Gregory McNeal, an expert on drones and security at Pepperdine School of Law.
Another factor is timing: If the 60-day authorization expired, analysts would have to start all over in building the intelligence case against the target, said a former senior special operations officer, who asked not to be identified because he was discussing classified materialsThat could lead to pressure to take a shot while the window was open.
During the time of the study, there were multiple well-reported, high-profile incidents in which reported JSOC strikes killed the wrong people. Perhaps most famously, in October 2011, a 16-year-old U.S. citizen named Abdulrahman Awlaki, the son of Anwar al Awlaki, died in a JSOC strike while eating dinner with his cousins, two weeks after his father was killed by a CIA drone. In press accounts, one anonymous official called Abdulrahman’s death “an outrageous mistake,” while others said he was with people believed to be members of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Publicly, the government has said only that he “was not specifically targeted.”
A September 2012 strike in Yemen, extensively investigated by Human Rights Watch and the Open Society Foundations, killed 12 civilians, including three children and a pregnant woman. No alleged militants died in the strike, and the Yemeni government paid restitution for it, but the United States never offered an explanation.
“The mothers and fathers and brothers and sisters of the people who were killed in these drones strikes want to know why,” said Amrit Singh, senior legal officer at the Open Society Justice Initiative. “We’re left with no explanation as to why they were targeted and in most cases no compensation, and the families are aware of no investigation.”
This spring, in a rare admission of a mistake in targeting, the White House announced that two hostages held by al Qaeda — an American and an Italian — had been killed in a CIA drone strike in Pakistan in January. In attempting to explain the tragedy, the White House spokesperson used the language of the standards that had failed to prevent it: The hostages had died despite “near certainty,” after “near continuous surveillance,” that they were not present.


  1. End of first quarter -

    Idaho 0
    Troy 0

    If Idaho continues to play like this it will be a close game. *Beware the "Vandal 2nd Half Collapse Syndrome"

    Even the New York Times is agreeing with Uncle Bob, Henry Kissinger, Garry Kasparov -

    Lessons of Iraq Loom Over Obama’s Decision to Keep Troops in Afghanistan

    By PETER BAKEROCT. 15, 2015
    President Obama, with Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., spoke about Afghanistan on Thursday at the White House. Credit Doug Mills/The New York Times

    WASHINGTON — As he described the factors that went into his decision to keep American troops in Afghanistan, the one word President Obama did not mention on Thursday was Iraq.

    Four years ago, he stuck to his plan to pull out of Iraq, only to watch the country collapse back into sectarian strife and a renewed war with Islamic extremists. Facing a similar situation in Afghanistan, Mr. Obama has decided not to follow a similar course......

    ......Whether keeping a residual American force in Iraq would have made a difference is a point of contention, but the president chose not to take a chance this time. In seeking to avoid a repeat of the Iraq meltdown by keeping 9,800 troops in Afghanistan next year and 5,500 after he leaves office, he abandoned his hopes of ending the two wars he inherited.

    Stephen J. Hadley, a national security adviser to Mr. Bush and a signatory to the report, said on Thursday that Mr. Obama presumably wanted to “avoid giving the Republicans another issue” after the setbacks in Iraq.

    Obama’s Evolving Stance on Afghanistan

    Important speeches illustrate President Obama’s shifting stance on keeping troops in Afghanistan, beginning with his days as a senator. By CHANNON HODGE on Publish Date October 15, 2015. Photo by Doug Mills/The New York Times. Watch in Times Video »

    “Republicans have made a big point of saying that the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq in 2011 is a contributing factor to the chaos in Iraq, and I think from a political standpoint he didn’t want to saddle Hillary Clinton with having to defend a similar decision to pull out in Afghanistan,” he said..................

  2. Idaho 3
    Troy 0

    Idaho is playing well, no major mistakes yet.....

    Where is galopin2 when needed to defend the Obama drone program ?

  3. The Moscow Ale House is the "Home of the Vandal Burger".

  4. Idaho 6
    Troy 0

    Case Implements in Moscow, Idaho for all your farming needs.

  5. End of first half -

    Idaho 6
    Troy 0

    For all your camping, hunting and fishing needs it's Tri-State Outfitters in Moscow, Idaho.

    from the Send Them To Philly files -

    October 17, 2015
    Muslim 'Migrant' Chaos in Calais
    By Carol Brown

    The number of ways invaders from Islamic countries are wreaking havoc across Europe appears to be countless. Here’s one report among the daily barrage.

    Over a year into the European migrant crisis, a lorry driver and a haulage union representative has warned that morale is at an “all time low” among truckers who are faced with the daily ordeal of navigating the daily chaos at Calais.

    And what exactly is this “ordeal?” It is this: hordes of Muslim “refugee” invaders flood onto the roadway, blocking traffic and criss-crossing lanes as they attempt to enter trucks and buses in any manner possible. It looks like this.

    As one trucker noted, “It is not a pleasant thing to be sitting in a cab with people running every which way.” He asked, “Do you think you could see the whites of another human’s eyes seconds before running into them? I don’t know if I could. I don’t know how it would affect me and I don’t want to find out.”

    Increasing numbers of truckers are traumatized for fear of hitting an invader as drivers attempt to navigate this chaotic and dangerous scene. It is taking an emotional toll. As one trucker said: “All I want to do is come to work, do my bit and get home to my family safely with my sanity and pride. This is becoming more and more difficult as the days go by.”

    And the truckers are put in an untenable position as they face not only the daily trauma of trying to do their job without killing someone, but face large fines if any invader makes it into the UK aboard one of their trucks. How, pray tell, any of these poor souls is supposed to protect against that is anyone’s guess. Are they supposed to get out of their truck and confront a mob of young men fresh from North Africa and other Islamic hellholes?

    Meanwhile, this is occurring against the backdrop of invaders getting killed by freight trains that also run through this port area. And of course, no such backdrop would be complete without high drama reaction from the left, as useful idiots in the UK stage protests, replete with fake blood, in support of migrants and open borders. They have catchy slogans like this one: “No more borders, no more nations, no more racist deportations!”

    Hey, y’all over there across the pond. If things keep going the way they are, you’ll get your wish. There will be no more United Kingdom or any other nation. Except one. It will be the Islamic Caliphate 24/7. Good luck with their “racist deportations,” because that is the least they will have in mind for you folks.

    Hat tip: Breitbart, The Right Scoop

    *Must watch video

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/10/muslim_migrant_chaos_in_calais.html#ixzz3orQ4cSuj
    Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook

    Go Vandals !

  6. Our broadcaster said he bought gas in Troy, Alabama for $1.89/gallon.

  7. Troy marches all the way down the field on first series of second half but Vandals recover a fumble and it's Idaho with 98 yards to go 1st and ten.

    3rd and 11 from the 1 yard line....

    Idaho punts....

    Lucky to get out alive.

    Troy good run back......1st and ten.....


    Idaho holds......

    Field goal team on.....

    Idaho 6
    Troy 3

  8. Idaho recovers fumble....

    3rd and five on the 16......

    Jake Luten at quarterback...

    1st and goal at the six.....

    2nd and goal at the 4.....(bad snap)

    Luten quarterback keeper !!!!!!!

    Touchdown Idaho Vandals !!!!!!!!!!!!

    This young freshman Jake Luten may soon be our starting quarterback.....

    Idaho 13
    Troy 3

  9. Looking to make a fortune in foreclosures ?

    See "Quart's Pints Into Quarts" in Moscow, Idaho where 'White Male Privilege Penalties Do Not Apply'

  10. Idaho intercepts another pass......!

  11. Idaho 1st and ten on the 23.......

    Luten in as quarterback again.....

    3rd and 7.....holding......

    2nd and 17 from the 34.......

    3rd and 17........

    Down to the 23.....Austin Rico field goal time again......

    Good from the 40

    Idaho 16
    Troy 3

  12. Look to Les Schwab Tires in Moscow,Idaho for all your winter tire needs.

  13. Troy has changed to a passing quarterback.....3rd quarterback they've tried.....

  14. Either Troy has a really shitty offense or Idaho is playing really good defense....

  15. Incomplete pass.....

    Field goal......


    Idaho 16
    Troy 6

  16. Ah, Jesus, Idaho fell for an on-side kick......

  17. Troy scores TD on a pass.....

    Idaho 16
    Troy 13

  18. Shit.

    Troy on the 20 with 1:05 to go.....

    Idaho time out....

  19. Down to the 17.....down to the 15....3rd and 5.....

    Time out Troy

    High Excitement, Vandal Fans.....

    Incomplete pass....

    Field Goal Time for Troy.......

    NO GOOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Hit the uprights !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Bounced away from the left upright!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    IDAHO TO WIN ON ROAD...........

    FIRST SNAP........................

    VANDALS WIN ON THE ROAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Idaho 19
    Troy 16

    "Boosting the Vandals Builds Character"

    See you next week in Moscow, Idaho against Louisiana-Monroe "At Home In The Dome", Vandal Fans across our Great Nation, and Around The World !

  20. .

    Up to 90 pct of U.S. drone strikes hit the wrong target, major leak reveals

    Up to 90 percent of those killed by drone strikes in the first five months of a U.S. operation in Afghanistan were not the intended targets. This is just one of many startling revelations that an anonymous whistleblower has revealed through confidential documents shared with The Intercept. The documents offer the most detailed look to date at the secret and extensive military drone program run by the United States. The whistleblower who leaked these documents believes that the public deserves to know what is contained within.

    Drone strikes are supposed to be ruthlessly precise and effective, but the leaked documents are filled with moral questions and acknowledgement by American officials that the programs are imperfect.

    Among the revelations:


    After criticism for the drone program, the rules were changed 'to guarantee' that collateral deaths would be minimized. Obama has opened up the ROE in Iraq/Syria to allow more collateral damage. One has to assume the new ROE also apply to drones.

    With the drone strikes, the US probably knows who t is targeting but they don't seem to have any idea who they are bombing.


    1. You've broken up my perfect college football thread, you turd.

      This is just one of many startling revelations that an anonymous whistleblower has revealed through confidential documents shared with The Intercept.

      I was wondering, do you always believe all the startling 'revelations' that 'anonymous whistlerblowers' reveal through 'confidential documents' shared through 'The Intercept' ?

      Casino time.

      Cheers !

    2. .

      Why would anyone give a dang about Idaho (?) playing Troy (?) when LSU is playing Florida, TCU is playing, Michigan played Michigan State, Notre dame is playing, Ohio State is playing?


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  22. Bob,

    Fuck off!

    Nobody cares about your play by play. It is just more fucking b00bie droppings to wade through. Why waste your time and , more importantly, my time, with such trivial meaningless shit?

    1. Wow Ash, you certainly have some thin skin..

      Why not skip his posts?

  23. QuirkSat Oct 17, 08:01:00 PM EDT

    Up to 90 pct of U.S. drone strikes hit the wrong target, major leak reveals

    Then that is the standard of the free world...

    All others to be measured by it.

  24. .

    I was wondering, do you always believe all the startling 'revelations' that 'anonymous whistlerblowers' reveal through 'confidential documents' shared through 'The Intercept' ?

    As far as I know, it is the only startling 'revelations' that 'anonymous whistlerblowers' reveal through 'confidential documents' shared through 'The Intercept' ?

    That being said, as I pointed out in the Guardian link I put up a few days ago, Snowden and Ellsberg believe him and applaud him.

    And let's face it, Manning's leaked revelations of 'confidential documents' through Wikileaks were 'startling revelations' by, at the time, an 'anonymous whistlerblower.' I believed them and obviously the government did to.

    Snowden's leaked revelations of 'confidential documents' through various newspapers were 'startling revelations' by, at the time, an 'anonymous whistlerblower.' I believed them and obviously the government did to.

    As for the latest leaks, anyone who has been looking at and complaining about the nature of the drone program over the last 5 or 6 years merely looks upon the latest leaks as confirmation of their beliefs. Do I believe the guy? Of course. And while I have never heard of The Intercept prior to these revelations, since Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras are involved as editors, I'm ready to believe the revelations are true, much more so than if they were printed in such outre (to be kind) sources as 14 Pages, Daily Stormer, or American Thinker.


    1. Shove that outre up your outrehole.

      As for the latest leaks, anyone who has been looking at and complaining about the nature of the drone program over the last 5 or 6 years merely looks upon the latest leaks as confirmation of their beliefs. Do I believe the guy? Of course.

      Such an outlook would not hold up in any court of law.

      And you, with all your experience of the law, and fleeing from it, should be the first to know it.

      WiO's reply to yours above is a classic.

      So I do thank you for giving him that wonderful opening......

    2. .

      WiO's statement above didn't make sense. At least, I could make no sense of it. That's why I didn't respond.

      Why don't you explain to me exactly what his point was?


  25. Ashole, my Vandal posts are not intended for anyone here. They are explicitly directed to "Vandal Fans across our Great Nation and Around the World".

    Go fuck yourself.

    They are also a reminder that there is more to life than politics.

    Go fuck yourself once more.