Turkey’s President Calls for Ground Troops to Fight Islamic State
Fall of Syrian Border City of Kobani to the Extremist Group is Imminent, Turkish Leader Says
Updated Oct. 7, 2014 2:41 p.m. ET
Islamic State have apparently taken position on Mistenur Hill, a strategic vantage point that looks over the city of Kobani. Violent protests erupt in Turkey. WSJ’s Mark Kelly reports.
Turkey’s president warned the Syrian border city of Kobani was in imminent danger of falling to Islamic State and pressed the U.S. and its allies to move ahead with plans to arm and train Syrian and Iraqi ground forces to battle the extremist group.
Coalition airstrikes on Tuesday hit Islamic State positions near Kobani, also known as Ayn al-Arab. But officials and Syrian opposition members said the militants were still advancing against Syrian Kurdish fighters.
President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, during a visit to a refugee camp in the Turkish border province of Gaziantep, declared Kobani was “about to fall” and reiterated Turkey’s call for a no-fly zone and a safety zone along the border.
“You can’t end this terrorism just by airstrikes,” he said. “If you don’t support them on the ground by cooperating with those who take up a ground operation, the airstrikes won’t do it.”
The U.S. and its Arab and Western partners have conducted hundreds of airstrikes in Iraq and Syria against Islamic State fighters and installations in recent weeks. But they have so far ruled out the use of their own ground forces to counter them, opting instead to train and support local allied forces.
Amid fierce fighting against Kurdish militia defending Kobani, Islamic State fighters pushed into three of the city’s eastern neighborhoods for the first time on Monday and hoisted at least two of their black flags.
Fighting continued in those districts Tuesday, particularly along an avenue leading to the city center, according to Sheikh Hasan, the defense minister of the Kobani district, one of the main administrative units of the Kurdish enclave known as Rojava.
“There were more than 10 airstrikes overnight continuing until the morning, but we can’t assess their damage to Islamic State,” Mr. Hasan said.
On Monday and Tuesday, the U.S. Central Command said coalition forces targeted Islamic State assets in numerous strikes to the south of Kobani, destroying and damaging armed vehicles, antiaircraft artillery and a tank.
Strikes also hit targets elsewhere in Syria, in the northeastern provinces of Al Hasakah and Deir Ezzour. They destroyed a production facility for improvised explosive devices, among other targets. Another strike targeted a small group of Islamic State fighters in Rabiah in western Syria, the U.S. said.
American aircraft were joined by warplanes from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates in the strikes, the U.S. said. Further airstrikes were conducted against Islamic State targets in Iraq, focused around Sinjar, a city west of Mosul in the north of the country. Belgium participated in those strikes, the U.S. said.
In Kobani, there was also fighting in the west of the city, according to an opponent of the Syrian government who was in contact with residents.
Kurds won't surrender to Islamic State, said Asya Abdullah, the co-chairman of the Syrian Kurdish Democratic Union Party. She called for the coalition to arm Kurdish militants with antitank missiles, saying the Kurds were fighting a difficult and uneven battle.
“Today it has been 23 days that we have fought Islamic State on our own, and we are fighting their tanks with light weapons,” she said.
Kobani, a predominantly Kurdish city, has become a flash point in the U.S.-led campaign against Islamic State. Before the civil war, an estimated 400,000 people lived in the city and hundreds of surrounding villages that are now mostly under Islamic State control and evacuated. Violence in the area over the past three weeks has driven an estimated 180,000 refugees into Turkey.
The group has exploited political instability and sectarian tension in Syria and Iraq to capture territory and impose its strict interpretation of Islamic law.
If Kobani falls, the security of Kurdish-majority regions that have long enjoyed a de facto autonomy from Iraqi and Syrian governments could be jeopardized. The town’s fate also carries major implications for Turkey, which hosts its own restive Kurdish population.
Kurdish fighters are angling for international military aid, and have criticized the international response to Islamic State threat. Yet aiding local Syrian Kurds who Turkey says have links to the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, could pose other complications. Turkey, the U.S. and the European Union all designate the PKK as a terrorist group.
But failing to aid the Kurds risks thwarting Turkey’s fragile reconciliation with the PKK, an effort years in the making.
The jailed PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan warned last week that the fall of Kobani would bring the peace process to a violent end, accusing the Turkish government of deliberately helping Islamic State against the Kurds to prevent the “revolution in Rojava.”
The U.S. is urging Turkey to take a more active role in the fight against Islamic State, and officials are set to meet this week in Turkey to discuss cooperation. Turkey’s parliament last week approved a measure that allows Turkish forces to respond to Islamic State aggression, including by crossing the border into Syria.
Hundreds of Turkish Kurds have traveled to Syria to defend Kobani.
Check out the Turkish passports:
Kobani, a predominantly Kurdish city, has become a flash point in the U.S.-led campaign against Islamic State. Before the civil war, an estimated 400,000 people lived in the city and hundreds of surrounding villages that are now mostly under Islamic State control and evacuated. Violence in the area over the past three weeks has driven an estimated 180,000 refugees into Turkey.
ReplyDeleteSURUC, Turkey — Kurdish fighters battling ISIS militants for the Syrian town of Kobane employed a new tactic when a female suicide bomber blew herself up in an attack claimed to have killed dozens of militants. The young woman, a full-time fighter with the Syria-based Kurdish rebel group the People's Protection Units (YPG), killed herself in the attack on Sunday, Kurdish sources said. Her name in Kurdish was Dilar Gencxemis but she went under the nom-de-guerre of Arin Mirkan, the YPG said in a statement. She was from the Syrian town of Afrin in the Aleppo province of northern Syria, just south of the Turkish border.
ReplyDeleteWith Kurdish fighters under increasing pressure from the ISIS militants seeking to seize Kobane, this is the first time a suicide bomber has been used by Kurdish forces in the conflict. "I don't know her exact age but she was above 20. She was a fighter from the YPG," said Mustafa Bali, a Kurdish official in Kobane told in the Turkish border town of Suruc.
"She threw many grenades at ISIS insurgents. After that, she blew herself up," he said, adding that dozens of ISIS fighters were killed in her assault.
The Britain-based Britain-based group the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which has a wide network of sources inside Syria, also confirmed the attack by the female suicide bomber.
It was not possible to independently confirm the circumstances of her death or how many ISIS fighters had been killed in her action.
The outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which has battled Turkish forces for 30 years in an insurgency for self-rule and is linked to the YPG, has used female suicide bombers for attacks inside Turkey in the past.
http://www.dailysabah.com/mideast/2014/10/06/kurds-use-female-suicide-bombers-to-combat-isis
FROM the same Publication cited above:
ReplyDeleteIbrahim Kalın04 October 2014, Saturday
Today is Eid al-Adha, or "Kurban Bayramı" as we say in Turkish. This is a day of sacrifice and devotion. This is an occasion for joy and celebration. This is the day to remember the story of Abraham and Ismael's devotion to God. Abraham's test and ultimate victory against his own self remains a timeless reminder of humans' potential to overcome their carnal desires and reach a state of spiritual perfection beyond the limitations of this ephemeral world.
The Hajj (pilgrimage) is the supreme act of devotion whereby worshippers circumambulate the Ka'ba (situated in Mecca, Saudi Arabia) to go beyond all that is petty, base and selfish. The Hajj itself is a trial from beginning to end. When the pilgrims stand atop the hill of Arafah and re-enact the Day of Judgment when we all will be held accountable for our actions in this world. Muslims pray five times a day, turning toward the Ka'ba for every prayer, standing before God in total devotion. But standing on Arafah takes this act of submission to a higher level.
Eid al-Adha is also a great occasion for celebration and social interaction. This is a day when people are reminded again that they are all equal before God regardless of their social and economic status, wealth or poverty, race or color. They are enjoined to share whatever they have. They are encouraged to welcome relatives and neighbors into their homes, feed the poor, visit the elderly, help the orphans and any one in need.
This is a great day and I wish all Muslims a joyous eid.
As I wrote back in July in this column, "far from giving a sense of joy and happiness, the current state of the Muslim world presents a rather bleak picture. Almost a thousand people have been dying every month in Muslim countries in recent years. The main toll is in Iraq and Syria with significant numbers perishing from violence and death in Egypt, Somalia, Libya, Nigeria, Pakistan, Yemen and other places. In most cases, Muslims are killing Muslims.
"ISIS has taken its insanity and barbarity to new levels. They kill Iraqi Shia because of their religious identity. Now, in defiance of a tradition of religious pluralism spanning hundreds of years, they are persecuting Iraqi Christians by offering them two choices: either convert to Islam by force or die. Various al-Qaida groups including al-Shabab in Somalia and al-Nusra in Syria attack Muslim targets and kill Muslims more than non-Muslims. The logic in both cases is the same: my way or the highway.
These exclusivist ideologies and their brutal tactics have no religious basis. You cannot simply kill Shias or force Christians to convert to Islam. This is not religion but petty imperialism." Since writing these words, ISIS has continued its carnage in Iraq and Syria and the Syrian regime has added new atrocities to its disgraceful humanitarian record. Most recently, close to 200,000 residents of Kobani have fled ISIS terrorism and are currently taking refuge in Turkey.
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A new international coalition has now formed against ISIS and has already carried out hundreds of air strikes against ISIS targets.
On Thursday, the Turkish Grand National Assembly passed a motion to allow the government to use military force against terrorist groups and security threats in Iraq and Syria. The motion also allows foreign troops to use Turkish soil and air space in the fight against ISIS and other terrorist groups.
Turkey supports air strikes and other measures against ISIS but it also calls for a broader political, military and humanitarian strategy to address the root causes that created the conditions for the rise of ISIS in the first place. Clearly, the chaos in Iraq and the civil war in Syria have prepared the ground for ISIS's emergence. These two troubled spots, among others, have created a deep sense of alienation and anger among millions of Sunnis. In Iraq, they have rebelled against an increasingly sectarian government and army. In Syria, they are butchered by a sectarian minority-regime. They have reacted to extremisms and the extreme failures of the Iraqi and Syrian states. ISIS has hijacked the moderate and legitimate struggle of the Syrian National Council and the Free Syrian Army in Syria. But this is also a result of the failure of the international community to support the Syrian people.
With this background in mind, Turkey demands a No-Fly Zone (NFZ) and a safe haven for both security and humanitarian reasons. Aerial strikes against ISIS will not succeed until and unless ISIS is fully contained and destroyed. The current attacks may or may not destroy ISIS but they will certainly force it to move toward Syria and closer to the Turkish-Syrian border. As we have seen in Kobani over the last few days, ISIS still has the capacity to take entire cities and force thousands of people to flee despite the ongoing aerial strikes. A NFZ and safe haven will protect the Turkish-Syrian border against both ISIS and the Assad regime. It will also enable Turkey and its allies to set up refugee camps on Syrian soil.
These short-term tactical measures need to be part of a broader strategy. Addressing the legitimate grievances of Sunnis in Iraq and establishing a democratic and pluralistic political order in Syria are the keys to containing and eradicating terrorist threats in the region.
When you are fighting a war sorties can go to hundreds in a day. How many flew today, 5 . Does anyone remember the Great Turkey Shoots of a few years ago in which vast numbers of Iraqi tanks were very quickly destroyed by American airpower? Yet today, Obama can't find and destroy more than one or two of the ISIS tanks that are surrounding Kobane on all sides, even after several weeks have gone by?!? WTF is wrong with America?!? Women and children are fighting and dying to defend Kobane from ISIS, and Obama can do next to nothing to help?!? Where are all those drones and bombers and missiles that we spent billions of dollars on??? Open fire, dammit!!!!! Obama is going to let the Kurds and anyone else fighting ISIS to be slaughtered why he's screwing around fundraising instead of being a president.
DeleteThe US will not support those forces in Syria that are allied with the legitimate government, the one recognized by the United Nations. It would piss the Israelis off, if the US did. The Israeli position was made clear by their previous Ambassador to the US, Mr Michael Oren.
DeleteIsrael prefers Daesh (al-Qeada) in Syria, over the Alawites, Christians and their Kurdish allies
Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren told the Jerusalem Post that Israel so wanted Assad out and his Iranian backers weakened, that Israel would accept al-Qaeda operatives taking power in Syria.
“We always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran.”
Even if the other “bad guys” were affiliated with al-Qaeda.
“We understand that they are pretty bad guys,” Oren said in the interview.
http://www.jpost.com/Syria-Crisis/Oren-Jerusalem-has-wanted-Assad-ousted-since-the-outbreak-of-the-Syrian-civil-war-326328
Jack is a man (boy) of little wisdom, insight or thought.
DeleteBut can he lie cut and paste!
ReplyDeleteISTANBUL — Protestors have flocked the streets on Tuesday night using the attacks on the northern Syrian town of Kobani by the terrorist group ISIS as a cover. Crowds gathered to protest the incidents in Kobani after ISIS attacked the border town but things turned ugly as Molotov cocktails were hurled at a gas station and cars were flipped.
The police are on high alert and working to disperse the rioters who have gathered illegally in Istanbul.
Molotov cocktails were hurled at a gas station in Okmeydanı and other parts of Istanbul have seen damage by the rioters including, Bağcılar, Kadıköy, Esenyurt and Sultangazi. No injuries have so far been reported.
Profiles in Courage from The Conga Line
ReplyDeleteNEW YORK (AP) — U.S. Sen. Bob Casey said Monday it would be “very healthy” for America if members of Congress spend about two weeks getting briefings, holding hearings, and having a real debate about authorizing the use of force against the Islamic State terrorist group.
The Pennsylvania Democrat said in an interview with The Associated Press that even if members believe — as he does — that President Barack Obama has the legal authority to mount an aerial bombing campaign against the terrorist group, it would be good for the country and could help his strategy to have a debate “and maybe have some votes.”
Ideally this should happen before the mid-term elections in November, he said, but it’s more likely to take place afterward.
Surprise, Surprise.
Jenan Moussa @jenanmoussa
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#Kobane now: Coalition jets still in air. I am not at border at the moment but eyewitness tells me 2 strikes in last 20 mins. @akhbar
3:24 PM - 7 Oct 2014
Extremists linked to ISIS tell “lone wolves” to target employees of the social network
ReplyDeleteAuthor: Rachael Levy Posted: 09/08/14 16:00 EDT
Deep Web Reporting By: Amit Weiss and Gilad Shiloach
An ISIS-related Twitter account has issued the group’s first direct call for attacks on specific American targets, but it’s not going after political or national icons. It wants Twitter employees assassinated. The call for retribution against the online platform was first announced Sunday night in a series of tweets asking “lone wolves” in the U.S. and Europe to make Twitter employees the focus of their attacks.
Twitter has been engaged in a prolonged game of whack-a-mole with ISIS, closing its accounts and those of similar organizations as they come to prominence, in an attempt to stifle their extremist propaganda and exhortations to violence. ISIS and other groups have consistently thwarted these efforts, now they’re going one step further, urging “lone wolf” actors to target Twitter employees.
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ReplyDeletehttp://972mag.com/why-palestinian-citizens-dont-vote-in-israeli-elections/64332/
Why Palestinian citizens don't vote in Israeli elections
Only about 51% of Palestinians voted in the last election. If they did they might move them much closer to that 24 seats estimated by Quirk. May it be said then that if there is marginalization it is self-imposed?
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ReplyDeleteZIONISTS WON'T LET YOU SEE THIS ON YOUR TV"
And this Zionist won't be watching it here. You can hide, but Allah told me you were under that rock.
"Even if the other “bad guys” were affiliated with al-Qaeda."
ReplyDeleteThis is not a sentence. It has no subject. Therefore, it is gibberish.
Take it up with the JPost
DeleteI could probably find the email for the Editor or you could do it, yourself.
DeleteI don't think the inventors of History's Slowest Blitzkrieg will be able to take Kobane (not if the Kobanis can just get some ammo, anyway.)
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ReplyDeleteTurkish Warship in Cyprus Zone Sends Tensions Soaring
Turkey is sending a seismographic vessel to explore areas in the Cypriot Exclusive Economic Zone.
SO Turkey is invading Cyrus's oil and gas field in the Med.
Reminds me of what russia did in Hungry when the world was looking at the Israel / Arab world...
Let's remember that Turkey is illegally occupying 1/2 of Cyprus and has for decades...
Now that's an example of ethnic cleansing..
On Friday, October 3, a day after US Vice President Joe Biden pontificated about Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s “desire” to have “no Turkish soldiers” remain in Cyprus, Turkey sent Turkish-Greece-Cyprus tensions soaring by issuing a Navigational Telex, or NAVTEX, according to which Turkey was sending a seismographic vessel to explore areas in the Cypriot Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) in Cyprus's southern waters.
DeleteIn response, Nikos Christodoulides, the Cypriot government spokesman, said that Turkish "harassment in any way of the company which operates within the EEZ of the Republic, is in no way compatible with the orderly conduct of the talks," adding that "this is a clear message, which we expect to reach its target and to have results."
According to the Cyprus Mail and other Cypriot news sources, the NAVTEX notifies mariners and countries that Turkey, as a sovereign, is reserving areas south of Cyprus for seismic surveys from October 20 to December 20 of this year. Turkey has basically issued a stark warning Cyprus, America and Israel that Turkish exploratory vessels were under Turkish sovereign protection, and were not to be disturbed even though they were exploring in areas south of Cyprus, an action that Turkey had never taken before.
Prior to this NAVTEX, the Eastern Mediterranean was already tense due to the fact that the Turkish armed forces had deployed the Turkish warship TCG Gelibolu to the south of Cyprus, and had further announced that the warship would continue to monitor the activities of Italian firm ENI’s drillship in block 9 in the waters south of Cyprus.
The TCG Gelibolu is participating in an ongoing Turkish Naval operation, dubbed “Mediterranean Shield.” Under Operation Mediterranean Shield, Turkish ships are ostensibly “conducting maritime security operations to provide for the safe and secure movement of vessels at sea and to deter terrorism.”
In fact, the TCG Gelibolu could be setting the stage for actual armed hostilities.
The TCG Gelibolu is an F120 Koln class frigate bought from Germany in 1982. It is 105 meters long, displaces 2750 tons with full load, and carries torpedoes among its many defense systems. The warship's movements and actions could send events spiraling out of control.
Not surprisingly, on Sunday and today, the rhetoric on both sides escalated.
Following the Turkish NAVTEX, on Saturday, the Turkish foreign ministry issued a press release denouncing the “Greek Cypriot Administration’s (GCA) continuing unilateral research activities of hydrocarbon resources in its so called Exclusive Economic Zone, without taking into account the Turkish Cypriots’ detailed and concrete cooperation proposals for a fair sharing [sic].”
The statement added: “Turkey calls on the international community to act in order to prevent the provocative and unilateral steps of the GCA. Until it is done, all kind of support to the TRNC’s [Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus] future steps of conducting seismic research activities, acquiring a drilling platform and dispatching it to an area to be determined, which are necessary to protect its inherent rights over these resources, will be provided by us.
Athens issued a strict warning to Ankara, saying: “Either respect International Law concerning Cyprus’s rights over gas and petroleum exploration within its territorial waters and continental shelf, or face the consequences for your EU membership”.
DeleteKonstantinos Koutras, spokesman for the Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that, “Cyprus cannot tolerate any further violations of International Law.” Koutras also warned that “Turkey’s behavior will decide its European future and the negotiation process on the Cyprus matter.”
Koutras’ warning was answered yesterday by the Turkish Foreign Ministry, which called upon the international community “to take action to prevent the provocative and one-sided steps taken by the Greek Cypriot side.”
Making matters worse, the Turkish NAVTEX designated and reserved coordinates that would trespass into Cyprus’ Southern water EEZ Blocks 1, 2, 3, 8 and 9. These are the blocks roughly between Cyprus and Israel. Inside sources told the Cyprus Mail that “essentially Turkey has bisected the region between Cyprus’ southern coast and Egypt, as if Cyprus does not exist.”
It appears VP Biden’s “optimism” regarding a peaceful Cyprus resolution may run into rocky, and perhaps even into deadly, shoals.
The Turks are old-hands at ethnic cleansing. While we usually think of the Armenians in that regard, the Greeks were also massacred.
DeleteHere come the Canucks.
ReplyDeleteTORONTO – Canada's Parliament has voted to authorize airstrikes against the Islamic State militant group in Iraq following a U.S. request.
Wait for us, eh?
Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservative Party introduced the motion last week and it was debated this week. Harper has a majority of seats in Parliament so the vote was all but assured. The motion passed 157-134 Tuesday.
The motion authorizes air strikes in Iraq for up to six months and explicitly states that no ground troops be used in combat operations.
The combat mission includes up to six CF-18 fighter jets, a refueling tanker aircraft, two surveillance planes and one airlift aircraft. About 600 airmen and airwomen will be involved.
Canada is among dozens of countries that . . . . .
Talk loudly and carry a small stick!
DeleteThe Netherlands has already started bombing, so Canada doesn't want to be left out of the Cool Kids' Club...
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DeleteUp the this point Obama kind of reminded me of Hamlet with regard to his foreign policy. But the other day I saw someone say this latest round reminded him of King Lear. I think the guy might be right.
"I will do such things—/ What they are, yet I know not ; but they shall be/ The terrors of the earth!"
King Lear Act 2, Scene 4 Summary Page 1 - Shmoop
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History's Slowest Blitzkrieg meets 30,000 Dead Men Walking unknowingly towards one of the slowest evolving One-sided Shooting Galleries in the History of Warfare and we are witnessing Military History being made before our eyes, Slowly.
America’s air campaign against ISIS has been front-page news for weeks, but how much “there” is there? Not much, by historical standards. Since the campaign started on August 8, the U.S. has launched about 300 airstrikes in Iraq and Syria. By comparison, during the Libya campaign, U.S.-dominated NATO forces were launching over 100 offensive strikes per day, ultimately culminating in over 26,000 raids. And Libya was a limited effort—during the start of the 1991 Gulf War, the U.S. launched over 116,000 airstrikes in a few weeks.
http://www.the-american-interest.com/blog/2014/10/03/u-s-airstrikes-in-syria-may-actually-be-bolstering-isiss-position/
I will admit it. I don't get it. Do we not have enough resources in theater? Why do we only bomb at night? Why aren't we putting out a bigger effort around key cities and towns that are under attack?
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Iraq fielded formations of two to three hundred tanks, armored vehicles, etc. This ain't that kind of war.
DeleteIn Libya, also, we were attacking large formations, and fixed positions. Again, this is a different deal.
We Don't bomb only at night. Although, there are certain targets that do lend themselves to night-time actions (in some cases that would be the best way to limit civilian casualties, for instance.)
Why haven't we up-armed the Kurds -- especially with anti-tank weapons? Turkey comes to mind.
DeleteYep, Mideast politics ain't for children (or, the overly naïve.)
DeleteThe presence of IS armor at and around Kobane is reported daily. They still have artillery up there.
DeleteIn every war, the enemy gets a vote. IS has voted to adapt and take punishment -- again adapting. I said before: this motley crew is being lead by some VERY knowledgeable fellows. They have yet to make a major strategic miscalculation. Their imminent demise is greatly exaggerated.
Where is the Iraqi Army? The method for breaking a siege is as old as the first palisade wall: a relieving military force. IS is facing north, on the offensive. A relief column from the south, say, Baghdad, could be there in a few days, catching IS between the hammer and the anvil. Iraq is supposed to have airborne troops. They could be on the ground in a matter of hours, creating havoc as the main force raced north. Bring in the A-10s and you have a turkey shoot.
If the Iraqis cannot or will not go airborne, how about some of our magnificent allies in the region: Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, Jordan?
I was thinking of Jordan "1". Jordan "2" is definitely out of the game.
DeleteWhat would the "Iraqi" army possibly have to do with Kobane?
DeleteBesides, if the Iraqi army amounted to much they wouldn't be in this situation.
"Rufus IITue Oct 07, 10:51:00 PM EDT
DeleteYep, Mideast politics ain't for children (or, the overly naïve.)"
That Turkish armor and those APCs up on the border give Erdogan the luxury of options. Seeing that the Syrian Kurds do not get their hands on anti-tank weapons might be one of them.
The downside to the shootout a Korbane is that the Kurds may not be forgiving. Hell, their women fight like tigers. Their women are also very fertile; which has been driving Erdogan to distraction (see his speeches on the patriotic duty of Turkish women to breed). All things being equal, the Kurds are going to outnumber the Turks within 3-5 decades. Down the road, they may look for some payback.
However, having said that, a sovereign state of 27 Million, or so, souls, and an adequate oil income, will eventually be able to provide an army large enough to, with some decent air support, defeat a mob of stone cold crazies.
DeleteIS in one way reminds me of Napoleon. The Emperor, for all his genius, was never able to solve the problem of logistics. His armies were often forced into living off the land. IS is scavenging. Without an unimpeded supply line, all those tanks and other equipment cannot be replaced or repaired. Eventually, they will be back to using small arms -- assuming Turkey does not again stab its Allies in the back and turn a blind eye to a porous border. When that time comes, they will be vulnerable. BUT the Iraqi Army has never failed to disappoint and may again gift IS with several divisions' worth of brand new toys.
DeleteB-52 Mistenur Hill.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/surgery-patients-report-waking-up-during-surgery-but-unable-to-let-doctors-know/2014/10/06/56ecec8a-3a84-11e4-8601-97ba88884ffd_story.html
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Surgery patients report waking up during surgery but unable to let doctors know
There is nothing at all new about this. My brother is an anaesthesiologist and told me about this problem decades ago.
The trick is to keep them down, but not too far down - which obviously can risk death - but down far enough so there is no higher brain function.
Too far up and they start to feel pain.
Got to keep them 'in the zone'.
When not done correctly it can be a real bummer. The experience is horrifying.
He said his work day was 'hours of boredom and moments of panic'.
DeleteWhat a wonderful beautiful full moon there is outside here tonight.
ReplyDeleteGo out !
Take a look !
Eclipse is just before sunrise, when the moon is sinking to the western horizon....
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DeleteWhen I saw you stopped in, T, I went over to the BC to see what was going on. I assume you graced us with your presence because you got bored with talking about ebola.
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It's all Ebola all the time over there, but I'm really bored with the reflex to take whatever the topic du jour is (Ebola, Yellowstone erupting, ISIS chopping heads) and use it to claim Obama will cancel the November elections.
DeleteThat idea runs deep with some of the writers, many of whom otherwise are some pretty bright guys with a wealth of technical info.
DeleteEbola is a terrible disease and the symptoms are truly horrific. That said, it should be pretty clear that we are not dealing with Justinian's Plague or the Black Death. Those bad boys killed 1/3 - 1/2 the population within less than a year.
Hell, the fact is, Ebola is just about the least threatening disease to ever (kinda) hit our shores.
DeleteWith the long incubation period, and the fact that it's not contagious until the symptoms start, combined with being a hard disease to contract, in any circumstance, it's just hard to see it being a big threat to a country with a semi-competent public health system.
Even screwing up as badly as that Dallas hospital did, they're liable to get away with no deaths (and, maybe, not even a second infected person.)
DeleteGosh it's painful to a agree with Rufus but on this I do.
DeleteUnless it goes airborne.
DeleteIf that happens, watch out.......
I've read it is a possibility.......it is a fast mutating virus......
http://news.yahoo.com/israel-beat-record-breaking-drought-water-spare-230154111.html
ReplyDeleteHow Israel Beat a Record-Breaking Drought, With Water to Spare
Kobane is a PR deal that we kinda got sucked into.
ReplyDeleteThe objective is to keep Iraq (and her oil fields) from falling completely into "Crazy" hands.
It's a simple concept, with a fairly loose time-line.
"Rufus IITue Oct 07, 10:49:00 PM EDT
DeleteThe objective is to keep Iraq (and her oil fields) from falling completely into "Crazy" hands."
This is an excellent point which the media, so far as I can tell, has missed. The administration has avoided any comment that might give the impression of "blood for oil."
The action in the Mosel region has little to do with a dam, in my opinion, but a great deal to do with the oil fields located there. If IS could exploit that wealth, it would be a strategically crippling blow to the Baghdad government.
The action in the Mosel region has little to do with a dam,
DeleteThis comment from the fellow that was touting Israeli "Water Management" just a half dozen or so comments above
You have a point there, Jackrat, that no one but yourself can see.
DeleteSupporters of the terrorist group Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, have protested in several European countries against Turkey’s lack of support for Kurdish fighters in the Syrian town of Kobani, currently besieged by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.
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Meanwhile, protesters threw four Molotov cocktails at the Turkish Consulate in Marseille, France on Tuesday morning.
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There were also protests at Italy's Fiumicino Airport, where demonstrators held up PKK posters and shouted slogans including: "We will stop ISIL and the massacre in Kobani."
... but there was no water for the people to drink. Therefore the people quarreled with Moses and said, “Give us water to drink.” And Moses said to them, “Why do you quarrel with me? Why do you test the Lord?” But the people thirsted there for water, and the people grumbled against Moses ...
ReplyDelete- Exodus 17:1-7
There's water in them thar rocks.
DeleteFor those among us who love this metaphor, here 'tis in art:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Moses+draws+water+from+the+rock&client=firefox-a&hs=3O6&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=fflb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=EM00VPyCMJa5ogTV3oKgCw&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=911&bih=405
We could use Moses around this part of the country right about now, as Miss T is not letting any get across the Cascades.
Quirk tried bottling Detroit tap water once, slapping a "Moses Water" label on it and taking it to market.
Failed.
No alcohol content.
So he went into the business of trading Detroit homes for new Ipad 6's and other electronic stuff, then reselling that merchandize. Not a great money maker but not a loser, either.
ReplyDeleteInventory of Shared Water Resources in Western Asia
Chapter 06: Jordan River Basin
DeleteFacts & Figures
More than 70% of the study region forms part of shared basins.
Aquifer with the most riparians: Umm er Radhuma.
Saudi Arabia shares all identified aquifer systems in the Arabian Peninsula.
Country that shares the most rivers: Syria.
River shared by most riparians: Jordan River.
About 40 BCM of surface water originate from outside the study region.
75% of the mean annual flow volume of surface water originates from outside the region.
Five largest transboundary rivers in terms of discharge: Tigris, Euphrates, Greater Zab, Lesser Zab, Diyala, Orontes.
Five longest rivers: Euphrates, Tigris, Diyala, Greater Zab, Khabour.
Basins with the most dams: Euphrates, Jordan, Tigris.
Number of agreements on water in Western Asia: 8.
Country that shares the most rivers: Syria.
River shared by most riparians: Jordan River.Basins with the most dams: Euphrates, Jordan, Tigris.
Five largest transboundary rivers in terms of discharge: Tigris, Euphrates, Greater Zab, Lesser Zab, Diyala, Orontes.
Highlighting the rivers in the "Conflict" areas.
The easy way to get a good water supply is to steal 360 acres of prime river bottom land from the Injun, and never give it back.
DeleteThis is the real rat doctrine.
High clover, fat cattle and extra water to drink and bathe in forever.......
What's not to like?
Look to Robert Peterson's remarks about the drought that his region is experiencing.
DeleteHe has mentioned the depressed condition of the Colorado Basin, and how that is effecting the Las Vegas metropolitan area.
The drought in California has been making headlines, on Google News
Water resources are obviously the life blood of any society, The control of those reource management tools that are available, well ...
That is a vital national asset that any effective government would need to control,
Except for Zionists trying to diminish the positive accomplishments of combine arms, air & ground military force working in coordination against the Daesh..
Jackrat 'crapper' Hawkins, aka 'desert rat', relies on the U.S. Army and the Reservation System to protect and preserve his stolen water resources.
DeleteOut in Idaho we have so much water much of it just finally flows into the Pacific Ocean, after meandering around a bit.
DeleteBy AFP5:12AM BST 08 Oct 2014
ReplyDeleteThousands of pro-Kurdish demonstrators incensed by Turkey's inaction in the fight against jihadists on the Syrian border clashed with police across the country on Tuesday night, leaving at least a dozen dead and many wounded.
Five people were killed in Diyarbakir, the largest town in Turkey's majority-Kurdish southeast region, according to press reports.
Several more deaths were recorded in other southeastern towns, including three killed in Mardin, two in Siirt, one in Batman and another in Mus, while police used tear gas and water cannon to disperse angry protests in Istanbul and Ankara.
Thousands of people had joined the demonstrations called by the main pro-Kurdish party, the People's Democratic Party (HDP), against Ankara's failure so far to intervene militarily against jihadists of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant fighting for the Syrian border town of Kobane.
Ahmet Davutoglu, the prime minister, has vowed that Turkey will do whatever necessary to prevent the fall of Kobane, also known as Ain al-Arab.
The Atlantic, in 2008, and the U.S. military’s Armed Forces Journal, in 2006, both published widely circulated maps that closely followed the outline of the Yinon Plan. Aside from a divided Iraq, which the Biden Plan also calls for, the Yinon Plan calls for a divided Lebanon, Egypt, and Syria. The partitioning of Iran, Turkey, Somalia, and Pakistan also all fall into line with these views. The Yinon Plan also calls for dissolution in North Africa and forecasts it as starting from Egypt and then spilling over into Sudan, Libya, and the rest of the region.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.globalresearch.ca/preparing-the-chessboard-for-the-clash-of-civilizations-divide-conquer-and-rule-the-new-middle-east/27786
Not a bad plan, if only the Jews could pull it off.
ReplyDeleteRight now the Moslems seem to be doing a fair job of it all on their very own.
I particularly like the sounds of partitioning Iran.
Do you still want to insert the "First Airborne Division" into the region to defend Kurdish freedom?
DeleteThey could air drop into Kobane, or Air Assault in from Turkey ...
Are you still willing, Robert Peterson, to bleed US Servicemen to assist the Kurds?
Or should we open lines of communication with the, on a tactical Close Air Support level?
Or should the Coalition maintain the "Status Que"?
As concerns the Syrian Kurds that are not part of the anti-Assad faction of the Civil War combatants.
DeleteWe should protect the Kurds with whatever division you wish.
DeleteWe should use B52s to blast ISIS off the hill outside of Kobane, for starters.
It is an historical opportunity of the first order to create a new friend in the region, and do some real good for some deserving people.
At the very least we should be arming the Kurds up big time.
Since it is such a wonderful opportunity, Obama will piss it away.
David Ignatius observes in the ultra-establishment Washington Post:
ReplyDelete“Let’s look at the reality on the ground in the Middle East: Iraq and Syria are effectively partitioned along sectarian lines; Lebanon and Yemen are close to fracturing; Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia survive intact but as increasingly authoritarian states.
“In the current, chaotic moment, we see two post-imperial systems collapsing at once: The state boundaries drawn by the Versailles Treaty in 1919 to replace the Ottoman Empire can’t hold the fractious peoples together. And a U.S.-led system that kept the region in a rough balance has been shattered by America’s failed intervention in Iraq.”
UPDATE- BBC:
ReplyDeleteAt the scene: BBC's Paul Adams on Syria-Turkey border
Air strikes took centre stage on Tuesday, apparently bringing the IS advance to a juddering halt. With jets overhead for long periods, IS clearly had to spend time under cover to avoid being hit. As a result, there was nothing like the intensity of fighting seen on Monday. At times, Kobane seemed eerily quiet.
Significantly, it seems the Kurdish defenders of Kobane are now communicating directly with US-led coalition forces. But air strikes alone may not be enough to stop IS taking Kobane in the long run. The Kurdish YPG militia claims to have the upper hand in street fighting, but it is outnumbered and outgunned by IS.
Only a ground operation, or significant military assistance from Turkey could carry any guarantee of success, and the prospects for this seem remote. Turkey's conditions are not ones the US seems ready to accommodate.
Great news, first Communication is establsihed, soon ...
DeleteCoordination may occur.
If it does, then the Coalition would have obtained an :Active Partner" in Syria, a local military force it can support.
A military force that is allied with the Assad regime.
Looks more like Mr Obama is pissing on the pessimistic, and those with anti-US sentiments, folks like Robert Peterson.
DeleteOn Target, just a tad late, but maybe not ...
Time will tell.
Oh, that Bibi fella, he's in Mr Obama's urinal, too.
DeleteI POSTED A BBC VIDEO UPDATE.
ReplyDeleteIt looks as if ISIS reached its high water mark. I screened a video of dead ISIS fighters posted by the Kurds. Most of them with Turkish passports. I’ll put that video at the bottom on the post.
Experts worry virus may spread more easily than assumed...
ReplyDeleteCDC: Airborne possible.....................drudge
Fear mongering by the Federals, the Obama Administration ...
DeleteHas a boobie babbling.
The 'rat virus' can't go airborne........it's on the No Fly List........smudge
DeleteBREAKING !!
DeleteCDC pledges 'rat virus' won't be allowed to go airborne........No Fly List designation deemed permanent.........Smudge
Turkey abandoning the Kurds as they have at Kobane all but guarantees that the Kurds will get their own country. The Kurds will come to the same conclusion as the Jews have, that they can only trust themselves to watch out for their own interests.
ReplyDeleteOld News Category:
ReplyDelete>>>>Life after death?
Largest-ever study provides evidence that 'out of body' and 'near-death' experiences may be real................drudge<<<<
Nothing new here, folks, to those awake......
This is why, folks, as anon above insisted, we should all pray fervently for the liar rat to change his ways.
DeleteBecause there is another side, and nothing is forgotten (all is retained....Walt Whitman)..........it's called carryover.......
It is however, and finally, up to liar rat himself.
The prognosis is grim, grim as a reaper........
The Independent agrees:
ReplyDeleteA man died and dozens of people were wounded in demonstrations across Turkey today as Kurds vented their fury at the Turkish government for standing by as Isis fighters looked poised to take the Syrian Kurdish town of Kobani in view of the Turkish border and the watching Turkish army.
Police fired tear gas to disperse protesters who burnt cars and tyres as they took to the streets mainly in Turkey’s predominantly Kurdish eastern and southeastern provinces, although clashes erupted in the nation’s biggest city, Istanbul, and the capital Ankara as well.
The likely fall of Kobani may mark an irrevocable breach between Turks and Kurds in Turkey, Syria and Iraq. Many of the 30 million Kurds in the region believe that, if Kobani falls, it will be because Turkey refused to help its defenders as they faced repeated Isis assaults and cut them off from reinforcements and fresh supplies of weapons and ammunition. “We are besieged by Turkey, it is not something new,” said Ismet Sheikh Hassan, the Kurdish Defence Chief for the Kobani region.
The already faltering peace process between the Turkish government and its Kurdish minority could be a long-term casualty of Kobani, particularly if its capture is accompanied by ritual massacres of surviving defenders by Isis.
The capture of Kobani by Isis may be a turning point in the present crisis in Iraq and Syria because it marks the failure of the US plan to contain Isis using air power alone. President Obama promised less than a month ago “to degrade and destroy” the fundamentalists with air power, but Isis is still expanding and winning victories.
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DeleteTurkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan made very clear where he stood during a visit to a refugee camp at Gazantep, saying “Kobani is about to fall”. He explained that the Turkish price for rescuing Kobani and acting against Isis would have been three measures aimed, not at Isis, but at displacing President Bashar al-Assad. Mr Erdogan said: “We asked for three things: one, for a no-fly zone to be created; two for a secure zone parallel to the region to be declared; and for the moderate opposition in Syria and Iraq to be trained and equipped.” In effect, he was saying that given a choice between Isis and Assad, he would chose the former.
In a further sign of the Turkish government’s lack of sympathy for the Syrian Kurds, some 200 of whom fled from Kobani into Turkey this week and were detained and questioned about their links with the YPG, the Kurdish militia defending the town. Turkey is deeply suspicious of the YPG and its political counterpart the PYD because they are the Syrian branch of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) which has fought for Kurdish self-rule in Turkey since 1984.
The refusal by the Turkish government to help the Syrian Kurds in their hour of need immediately provoked demonstrations by Kurds across Turkey. There have been protests, often violent, in the Kurdish south-east and wherever there are Kurdish minorities, such as Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir and Bursa. In Varto, a man was killed and in Istanbul a prominent human rights lawyer, Tamer Dogan, was shot in the head. His friends say he may have been targeted. Smoke was rising over many towns where demonstrators had lit fires in the streets and police used tear gas and water cannon.
Turks may react angrily to reports that a bust of Ataturk was burned by a crowd in Van province. The General Staff in Ankara put out a report that the Turkish flag had also been set alight. An office of the Kurdish political party, the HDP, was surrounded in one Istanbul district by a crowd shouting ‘Allahu Akhbar’.
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DeleteThe US campaign against Isis is weakened not so much by lack ‘boots on the ground’, but by seeking to hold at arm’s-length those who are actually fighting Isis while embracing those such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey who are not. There is a similar situation in Iraq, where most of the fighting against Isis is by the Shia militias from which the US keeps its distance.
As Isis closes in on Kobani, the city’s defenders have been abandoned. They may have hoped for assistance from the Syrian government, with whom they have a truce, but there are no reports of Syrian aircraft in action at Kobani though bombing Isis there would have been keeping with Mr Assad’s claim to be defending Syrians from Isis.
Kobani: A brief history
Kobani started out in 1912 as a stop on the Konya-Baghdad railway and was populated by Armenian refugees fleeing the forces of the Ottoman Empire in 1915. The name “Kobani” may be a corruption of the word “company”, although in Arabic the town is called Ayn al-Arab or “the spring of the Arabs”.
Kurds and other groups also moved into the town, which was developed under French rule in Syria after the end of the Ottoman Empire. Most of the population was Kurdish but also included Turkmen, Arabs and Armenians. The 2004 census gave Kobani’s population as 45,000, but the outlying districts were home to hundreds of thousands of people in villages. In 2012, Kurdish People’s Protection Units took over control of the own and other Kurdish areas from the Damascus government, in what was seen as a deal between Kurds and the Assad regime. As the war continued, Kobani became a haven for those escaping the fighting. Some reports say 160,000 people have left Kobani for Turkey recently.
This, from the same article, is a strange comment if true ( I believe it is true):
ReplyDeleteThe Turks were not alone in abandoning Kobani to the Islamic militants. The US was careful not have any direct liaison with Kurdish fighters on the ground though local intelligence should have made their air strikes more effective and might have stopped the Isis advance. Over the past 24 hours, these strikes have increased in number but may come too late as Isis militants fight street to street.
ot "Strange" not at all.
DeleteBeen telling you all that from the get go.
Sorry, but it has been a well known reality, easy to see, if you pay attention to detail.
Some of us do, and most of US don't.
Quirk calls his crew, "Sheeple"
The day here is nearly done.
ReplyDeleteIn the competition for Best Comment of the Day Quirk's "You are bat shit crazy, rat" has been overtaken by the extended comment by anon above concerning prayer requests for brother rat, in this voter's view.
Time to begin preparing myself for the dormatorio......been a long eventful day.
Get out of the Middle East. Consume less oil. Is it really all that hard to figure out?
ReplyDeleteProcess more ethanol, just ask Rufus.
DeleteThe numbers are great, agricultural production would increase and the existing biomass better utilized.
With every gallon of ethanol that replaces a fossil fuel, overall carbon emissions will average lower.
There are those amongst our contriutors that have advocated against this course ...
Those self same contributors tend to echo the sentiments of our Bard of Murdock.
Murdock - kind of a pyscho character, could fly anything with wings, nerves of steel, but ...
Colonel Hannibal Smith counted on him, more than once.
Heh, now after reading the article from the headline I posted by evidence of live after death on Drudge, I see that old Sam Parnia is about ready to switch. This is humorous to those of us cognizant of the discussions in this field.
ReplyDeleteHere is the article:
There is scientific evidence to suggest that life can continue after death, according to the largest ever medical study carried out on the subject.
A team based in the UK has spent the last four years seeking out cardiac arrest patients to analyse their experiences, and found that almost 40 per cent of survivors described having some form of “awareness” at a time when they were declared clinically dead.
Experts currently believe that the brain shuts down within 20 to 30 seconds of the heart stopping beating – and that it is not possible to be aware of anything at all once that has happened.
But scientists in the new study heard said they heard compelling evidence that patients experienced real events for up to three minutes after this had happened – and could recall them accurately once they had been resuscitated.
Dr Sam Parnia, an assistant professor at the State University of New York and a former research fellow at the University of Southampton who led the research, said that he previously(believed) that patients who described near-death experiences were only relating hallucinatory events.
One man, however, gave a “very credible” account of what was going on while doctors and nurses tried to bring him back to life – and says that he felt he was observing his resuscitation from the corner of the room.
Speaking to The Telegraph about the evidence provided by a 57-year-old social worker Southampton, Dr Parnia said: “We know the brain can’t function when the heart has stopped beating.
“But in this case, conscious awareness appears to have continued for up to three minutes.
“The man described everything that had happened in the room, but importantly, he heard two bleeps from a machine that makes a noise at three minute intervals. So we could time how long the experienced lasted for.
“He seemed very credible and everything that he said had happened to him had actually happened.”
Dr Parnia’s study involved 2,060 patients from 15 hospitals in the UK, US and Austria, and has been published in the journal Resuscitation.
Of those who survived, 46 per cent experienced a broad range of mental recollections, nine per cent had experiences compatible with traditional definitions of a near-death experience and two per cent exhibited full awareness with explicit recall of “seeing” and “hearing” events – or out-of-body experiences.
Dr Parnia said that the findings of the study as a whole suggested that “the recalled experience surrounding death now merits further genuine investigation without prejudice”.
Dr Jerry Nolan, editor-in-chief of the journal which published the research, said: “The researchers are to be congratulated on the completion of a fascinating study that will open the door to more extensive research into what happens when we die.”
about evidence, not by evidence
Delete>>>>Dr Parnia said that the findings of the study as a whole suggested that “the recalled experience surrounding death now merits further genuine investigation without prejudice”.<<<<
DeleteHeh, :) this is humorous.
Old Sam is finally switching !
"without prejudice" --- Heh, I should hope so, Sam. But Sam, it's already been done, you just weren't listening 'without prejudice'.
:)
hardeharhar
Sam comes in from the morgue-ish cold.
Delete;)