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Monday, September 22, 2014

US policy has an Alice in Wonderland absurdity about it, everything being the opposite of what it appears to be. The so-called “coalition of the willing” is, in practice, very unwilling to fight IS, while those hitherto excluded, such as Iran, the Syrian government, Hezbollah and the PKK, are the ones actually fighting

Only a Truce in Syria Can Stop ISIS

The Absurdity of US Policy in Syria

by PATRICK COCKBURN COUNTERPUNCH
If the United States and its allies want to combat the Islamic State jihadists (IS, formerly known as Isis) successfully, they should arrange a ceasefire between the forces of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and the non-IS Syrian opposition. Neither the Syrian army nor the “moderate” Syrian rebels are strong enough to stop IS if they are fighting on two fronts at the same time, going by the outcome of recent battles. A truce between the two main enemies of IS in Syria would be just that, and would not be part of a broader political solution to the Syrian crisis which is not feasible at this stage because mutual hatred is too great. A ceasefire may be possible now, when it was not in the past, because all parties and their foreign backers – the US, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Iran – are frightened of the explosive advance of the Islamic State. US Secretary of State John Kerry told the US Security Council on Friday that there is room for everybody “including Iran” in an anti-IS coalition.
President Obama was much criticised for admitting that he had no strategy to cope with IS and, despite his address to the nation on 10 September, he still does not have one. Assuming he is not going to send a large US land army to the region, he lacks a credible and effective local partner in either Syria or Iraq with the necessary military force to take advantage of air strikes, even if they are intensified in Iraq and extended to Syria.
Mr Obama won the assent of the House of Representatives last week to train and equip moderate rebels in Syria who are supposedly going to fight both Assad and IS. This is essentially a PR operation, since IS forces 30 miles from Aleppo are poised to move against the last rebel strongholds, while the Syrian army is close to regaining control of the city itself.
Likewise in Iraq, air strikes can only do so much. The government in Baghdad and the Iraqi army are still Shia-dominated and, however much the Sunni in Iraq dislike IS, they are even more frightened of its opponents. The US will try to split Sunni tribes and neighbourhoods away from the fundamentalists as it did in 2007, but there were then 150,000 US troops in the country and al-Qa’ida in Iraq was much weaker than IS. At the same time, it will find it difficult to advance further because, aside from
Baghdad, it has already seized the areas where live the 20 per cent of Iraqis who are Sunni Arab. In Syria at least 60 per cent of the population are Sunni Arabs, meaning that IS’s natural constituency is much bigger.
The case for a ceasefire in Syria is cogently argued by Yezid Sayigh of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Beirut in a paper entitled “To Confront the Islamic State, Seek a Truce in Syria”. He rightly says that “both the regime of Bashar al-Assad and the more moderate armed rebels arrayed against it are stretched thin, bleeding badly and in an increasingly vulnerable position …. Each has self-serving reasons to suspend military operations to confront the looming jihadist threat from the east.”
The Syrian army suffered heavy defeats at the hands of IS in July and August, though these were little reported in the West. Mr Sayigh cites figures of 1,100 government soldiers dead in July alone. It has long been clear that the army was short of combat troops and could only fight one front at a time. Mr Assad appears to have calculated that the rise of IS would be to his political advantage because most of the world would prefer him to the fundamentalists. But he underestimated the military strength of IS since they captured Mosul on 10 June.
No truce is likely to happen unless there is pressure on both sides by their outside backers – notably the US, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Iran. Much would depend on how realistic they are: the US and Saudi Arabia still want the departure of Assad, but this has been very unlikely since the second half of 2012. Demanding this at the Geneva II talks in February effectively killed off any diplomatic framework for negotiations to end the conflict. Critics of multilateral ceasefires argue that this would mean accepting that the Assad government stay in place, but the Syrian government is not departing in any case. The Assad government may believe that it is gradually reasserting its authority over the rest of the country, but these advances are at a snail’s pace and its grip on ground regained is fragile. The Syrian army might not be able to withstand an all-out offensive by IS.
IS is growing stronger while its opponents in Syria are weakening. It is recruiting fast in all parts of its caliphate: Mr Sayigh cites opposition reports that it began training 6,300 recruits in Iraq in July alone. A study by the National Security Adviser’s office in Baghdad showed that in the past, where jihadis took over an area with 100 fighters, they could recruit between 500 and 1,000. IS seems prepared for air strikes, evacuating its fighters and heavy weapons from buildings where they are identifiable. US air power did not win the war in Afghanistan and is even less likely to do so in Iraq or Syria.
A ceasefire in Syria would remove one of IS’s strongest cards, which is the fear of the Sunnis that, bad though IS may be, the alternative of government re-occupation is even worse. For its part, the government may fear no longer being able to face Syrians with a stark choice between Assad and jihadis who chop off heads.
The restoration of a more normal civilian life in Syria would be an immense advance. Some of the 3 million refugees and 6.5 million internally displaced people out of a total population of 22 million would be able to go home. There might be a re-emergence of more moderate individuals and groups marginalised or driven underground since 2011.
At the moment, the political landscape in Syria must look good from the point of view of IS. Its opponents are divided. The US is backing a group of moderates who barely exist and wants to weaken the Assad government. In the past week some of the heaviest fighting in Syria has been IS’s attack on the Kurdish enclave of Kobani, also known as Ayn al-Arab, close to Turkey. It is defended by the fighters of the YPG Kurdish militia who are the Syrian branch of the mainly Turkish Kurd PKK which the US labels as “terrorist”.
US policy has an Alice in Wonderland absurdity about it, everything being the opposite of what it appears to be. The so-called “coalition of the willing” is, in practice, very unwilling to fight IS, while those hitherto excluded, such as Iran, the Syrian government, Hezbollah and the PKK, are the ones actually fighting. A truce between the government and moderate rebels in Syria would enable both to devote their resources to fighting IS, as they need to do quickly if they are to avoid defeat.
Patrick Cockburn’s new book is The Jihadis Return: ISIS and the New Sunni Uprising.

218 comments:

  1. Uk talking to Iran

    David Cameron is to hold the first bilateral talks between a British prime minister and an Iranian president since the 1979 revolution when he has a face to face meeting with President Hassan Rouhani in the next two days in New York.

    The meeting, a significant thaw in diplomatic relations between the countries, is designed to explore the support the Iranians can give to the fight against Islamic State (Isis) in Iraq and Syria.

    The Iranians were not allowed to attend the recent Paris talks on building an international coalition against Isis, and have also been excluded from all talks about dislodging President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, including the two conferences in Geneva.

    Rouhani has been a fierce critic of Isis, but has derided the US air strikes campaign as it involves no commitment to ground forces.

    Cameron is expected to make clear that Isis is a common and extremely serious threat that can only be tackled in Iraq and that Iran must drop its support for President Assad, who, in the words of Downing Street, has “created the conditions that have allowed terrorism to flourish”.

    Cameron will also send a tough message to the Iranians on the long-running nuclear negotiations on behalf of the E3 + 3 group that: “Iran has a rare opportunity to embolden its prosperity through a deal but this is only possible if Iran is willing to show flexibility and be realistic about the future scope of its nuclear programme, in particular the issue of enrichment.”

    No 10 sources said: “We are under no illusion about the dangers of Iran’s nuclear programme and our approach on that is not changing. However, if Iran is willing to join the international community to defeat Isis then we will work with them on that, but will be clear you cannot take one approach in Baghdad and another in Damascus. You need a political solution in both if you are serious about defeating Isis.”

    Speaking from the presidential palace in Tehran before his visit to the UN, Rouhani questioned Barack Obama’s decision to go after Isis with air strikes.

    “Are Americans afraid of giving casualties on the ground in Iraq? Are they afraid of their soldiers being killed in the fight they claim is against terrorism?” Rouhani said.

    “If they want to use planes and if they want to use unmanned planes so that nobody is injured from the Americans, is it really possible to fight terrorism without any hardship, without any sacrifice? Is it possible to reach a big goal without that? In all regional and international issues, the victorious one is the one who is ready to do sacrifice.

    Guardian

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  2. http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/IDF-wounds-two-Palestinians-who-kidnapped-murdered-three-Jewish-teens-376124
    IDF kills two Palestinians wanted for kidnapping, murdering three Jewish teens

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    1. Certainly beats having to present evidence at a trial.

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    2. Four U.S. citizens killed in Obama drone strikes, but 3 were not intended targets

      The citizens

      On May 22, 2013, the Obama administration "formally acknowledged for the first time that it had killed four American citizens in drone strikes outside the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq" since 2009, The New York Times said in a news story posted online that day.

      The acknowledgement came in a letter signed by U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder sent that day to the Senate Judiciary Committee chairman:

      Since 2009, the United States, in the conduct of U.S. counterterrorism operations against al-Qa’ida and its associated forces outside of areas of active hostilities, has specifically targeted and killed one U.S. citizen, Anwar al-Aulaqi. The United States is further aware of three other U.S. citizens who have been killed in such U.S. counterterrorism operations over that same time period: Samir Khan, ‘Abd al-Rahman Anwar al-Aulaqi, and Jude Kenan Mohammed. These individuals were not specifically targeted by the United States.

      Anwar al-Awlaki and Khan were killed in Yemen on Sept. 30, 2011. A March 9, 2013, Times news story about the strike said al-Awlaki, a cleric born in New Mexico, incited and plotted terrorist incidents involving U.S. targets, including lending support via email to Nidal Hasan in 2009 before Hasan killed 13 and wounded more than 30 people at Fort Hood in Texas. Khan, who the story said came from North Carolina, edited the online al-Qaeda propaganda magazine Inspire.

      The Times wrote of al-Awlaki’s death, "For what was apparently the first time since the Civil War, the United States government had carried out the deliberate killing of an American citizen as a wartime enemy and without a trial."

      Al-Awlaki’s 16-year-old son, a U.S. citizen born in Denver, Colo., died Oct. 14, 2011, in Yemen when, the Times wrote, "a missile apparently intended for an Egyptian Qaeda operative, Ibrahim al-Banna, hit a modest outdoor eating place in Shabwa. … Banna was not there, and among about a dozen men killed was the young Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, who had no connection to terrorism."

      U.S. citizen Jude Kenan Mohammad was believed by his family to have been killed in a November 2011 strike in Pakistan, according to a May 24, 2013, Los Angeles Times news story that said, "Former U.S. officials said that even if Mohammad wasn't the target of the strike, he was of interest to American intelligence because he was believed to have communicated with Muslims in the United States and encouraged them to travel to Pakistan or carry out attacks at home."

      The New York Times said another U.S. citizen, Kamal Derwish, had been killed by a drone strike in Yemen on Nov. 3, 2002, when George W. Bush was president. Derwish was a recruiter who put together an al-Qaeda sleeper cell in Lackawanna, N.Y., according to an Oct. 12, 2003, New York Times news story. The U.S. said he was not the intended target and did not acknowledge killing him, but a Yemeni official identified him as one of six men who died in the attack, the story said.

      Another U.S. citizen could be facing death by drone, according to news reports. A Feb. 28, 2014, New York Times news story said Abdullah al-Shami, "a militant who American officials say is living in the barren mountains of northwestern Pakistan" and who was possibly born in Texas, "is at the center of a debate inside the government over whether President Obama should once again take the extraordinary step of authorizing the killing of an American citizen overseas."

      Certainly beats having to present evidence at a trial.

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    3. Certainly beats having to present evidence at a trial.


      Surely does.
      The Axis of Evil marches on, does it not?

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  3. Deuce ☂Sun Sep 21, 11:11:00 AM EDT
    “Why the hesitation? Because our strategy in Syria is to rely on a Free Syrian Army that has been the least effective force in that civil war, and untrustworthy to boot. Units of the FSA have handed their U.S. weapons over to ISIS.”

    Sorry, but there can be no “strategy” because there is as yet no casus belli. When some fairly bright fellows at the BC were asked to give a casus belli, the best I got was, “There is a casus belli.” That is an opinion but it is light-years away from being dispositive. As far as I have seen, no one has put forward a cogent argument for waging war in or against the country of Syria. Yes, Dr. al-Assad is a nasty piece of work but that is insufficient justification for expanding hostilities.

    Understanding that President Bush in 2003 created the previously unrecognized American doctrine of “preemption based on presidential assessment, solely,” by what reckoning should ISIS be preemptively attacked in Syria – technically a sovereign state which has loudly declared its opposition to the violation of its territorial integrity, such as it is? It should not be overlooked that both Russia and China agree with al-Assad. Implicitly, the French are taking this road since they have declared that French aircraft will not participate in any raids into Syrian territory.

    As to just war, St. Augustine did allow for preemption if it could be proved that an adversary was set on waging war. St. Augustine’s burden of proof was stringent. Convenience or strong feelings based upon fear would not suffice. Documents, statements of intent, espionage, troop movements, or anything concrete could be taken as evidence; but the evidence had to be indisputable, leading to no other reasonable conclusion.

    There are no good guys in Syria. There are very few good guys in the country formerly known as Iraq. It would have been better to leave Iraq garrisoned, but that was then and this is now.

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  4. JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel shot down a Syrian warplane on Tuesday, saying the aircraft crossed the battle lines of Syria's civil war and flew over the Israeli-held Golan Heights, perhaps by accident.

    More confirmation that Israeli policies have not changed

    Israel prefers al-Qeada
    Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren told the Jerusalem Post that Israel so wanted Assad out and his Iranian backers weakened, that Israel would accept al-Qaeda operatives taking power in Syria.

    “We always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran.”

    Even if the other “bad guys” were affiliated with al-Qaeda.
    “We understand that they are pretty bad guys,” Oren said in the interview.


    http://www.jpost.com/Syria-Crisis/Oren-Jerusalem-has-wanted-Assad-ousted-since-the-outbreak-of-the-Syrian-civil-war-326328

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    1. America armed Al-Queda in Syria.

      The administration’s goal is to provide military assistance to the Syrian opposition rebels, who are determined to overthrow strongman Bashar Assad. Syria’s bloody civil war has cost more than 100,000 lives and plunged the Arab nation into a sectarian bloodbath. Contrary to media spin, however, the anti-Assad rebels are not “moderates.” They are not seeking to forge an Arab Switzerland — a tolerant, multiethnic democracy.

      Rather, the ranks of the insurgents are filled with jihadists, many of whom have ties to al Qaeda. The main faction, the al-Nusra Front, has publicly pledged its loyalty to al Qaeda. Thousands of foreign fighters from numerous countries — Libya, Iraq, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan — have poured into Syria. Their aim is to create a radical Sunni Islamist state. Jihadist rebels have committed countless atrocities. Churches and Christian shrines have been destroyed. Priests have been slain. Entire Alawite (minority Shiites) and Christian villages have been burned to the ground. In short, the al Qaeda-linked rebels are engaged in wholesale religious cleansing. Their slogan is simple — and sadistic: “The Alawites to the wall, the Christians to Beirut.”

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/20/kuhner-how-obama-arms-al-qaeda/#ixzz3E8rqAvfB
      Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

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    2. The Axis of Evil Marches On!

      Now you are in the ranks, Anonymous.


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  5. ISIS HYPE: False Threats, Staged Executions, While Israel ‘Expands’

    As the black-clad terror troupe ISIS rages on, its ‘greater’ role concerning the policy planning of those in Washington, Tel Aviv and Britain is rapidly being revealed. This is the world in hyper-drive-destruction, and the propaganda machine is in full swing.


    http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/09/10/isis-hype-false-threats-staged-executions-while-israel-expands/

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  6. From Gaza to ISIS: A Trip Report Assessing the Arab-Israeli Arena

    Conversations with senior officials in Egypt, Jordan, and Israel highlight the complexities of -- and potential links between -- the region's latest crises.

    The Middle East today is characterized by stunning ironies and jarring disconnects. It is almost as though the Onion replaced the New York Times as the region's paper of record. In this special report, The Washington Institute's executive director discusses his findings from an early September trip to Egypt, Jordan, and Israel, which included meetings with high-level political, security, and diplomatic officials in all capitals. The "headlines" he gleaned from those travels are illuminating:

    Arab states rally in defense of Sykes-Picot, long viewed as a Western plot to divide Arabs.
    Some Arabs have taken the lesson of Washington's "lead from behind" strategy to heart and are now taking matters into their own hands.
    Three years after the Arab Spring, blackouts are the new norm in Cairo -- but it's not just electricity, it's politics.
    President Sisi is digging Egypt into a deep hole, literally, and the people are cheering.
    Egypt and America -- if one word describes the situation, it is contempt.
    The Gaza war proves to have been urgent but not very important.
    The silver lining in a dark Middle East: Arab relations with Israel.
    Jordan's strategic situation never looked as gloomy, but its cafes never looked as full -- is this King Abdullah's finest or final hour?
    From the fight against ISIS to solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict -- could there be a connection?
    Is Netanyahu the region's weakest strong man or its strongest weak man?


    To read the full report, download the PDF.

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  7. KABUL, Afghanistan -- Outgoing Afghan President Hamid Karzai is taking one last swipe at the U.S., saying that America hasn't wanted peace in Afghanistan.

    http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/karzai-s-farewell-speech-includes-final-swipe-at-u-s-1.2019747

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  8. Syria says U.S. gave notice before striking Islamic State targets

    DAMASCUS, Syria -- The Syrian foreign ministry said on Tuesday that the United States informed Damascus' envoy to the United Nations before launching airstrikes against the Islamic State group in Syria.

    The ministry issued a brief statement, carried by Syrian state media, saying that "the American side informed Syria's permanent envoy to the UN that strikes will be launched against the Daesh terrorist organization in Raqqa."


    Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/syria-says-u-s-gave-notice-before-striking-islamic-state-targets-1.2019800#ixzz3E8pfCo5C



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    1. Iranian media: US unfreezes $8 billion in assets

      Former Iranian Chamber of Commerce head Alinaqi Khamoushi was quoted in the semi-official Fars News agency saying the Obama administration had allowed Iran to access $8 billion of funds stored in the US.

      Enough money to rebuild and rearm Gaza and fund Hezbollah and Syria's genocide of the Syrian people.

      So far Syria has actually killed over 200,000 civilians and displaced over 11 million civilians. ISIS/ISIL has killed no more than 12,000.


      http://www.timesofisrael.com/iranian-media-us-unfreezes-8-billion-in-assets/#ixzz3E8sMN3YH

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    2. So far Syria has actually killed over 200,000 civilians ...

      Wrong - there have may have been 200,000 killed in Syria, but all those deaths cannot be attributed to the Syrian government.

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    3. Now that is funny...

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    4. Deuce ☂Sat Sep 06, 07:29:00 AM EDT
      It only demonstrates how the Zionists have devolved into a religious cult of paranoid psychopaths and sociopathic killers. In Allen’s thermonuclear ode, he suggests that the Gaza atrocity is merely foreshadowing for the nuclear wet dream that Allen so salaciously fantasizes over. All the great killers in history did their murdering with full endorsement of their portable, inflatable and loving but ever-ready to be vengeful gods. The god of the Jews is an especially mean prick.

      Including along with Allen’s mandatory and standard-issue loathing for the Christian enablers of his nuclear extermination and final solution fantasies, scattered with his spittle, he warns us that it will no longer be only the Black Rock that gets nuked, it will be all of us burned and wasted, reduced to gleaning the rubble for material to make candles as our most indispensable ally, Israel will have justly destroyed all of US infrastructure, our cities burned and melted out like the last candle of a Hanukkah Menorah.

      The Zionists must be adding up the costs of the Gaza slaughter and are adding it to our annual shakedown invoice.


      What Gaza slaughter?

      Wrong - there have may have been 2,000 killed in Gaza, but all those deaths cannot be attributed to the Israeli government.

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    5. 1861-1865 over 600,000 US residents were killed in a Civil War.

      The Federals or the Confederates, which side did it?

      Were those responsible for the carnage in Washington DC or in Richmond VA?
      Or were they in both locales?

      I'd spread the responsibility for the war around, amongst all of the participants in the conflict, but there are those that would lay the 'blame' solely on one side, or the other.

      In the case of Syria, the Zionists, in their attempt to demonize the Christians and Alawites want to blame the deaths in that civil war solely on the Federals. Not wanting any of the responsibility laid upon the Islamic Radicals that Israel is allied with.

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    6. In the case of Syria, the Zionists, in their attempt to demonize the Christians and Alawites want to blame the deaths in that civil war solely on the Federals. Not wanting any of the responsibility laid upon the Islamic Radicals that Israel is allied with.

      Israel is only allied with the Islamic Radicals in America

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    7. you missed one

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    8. My Name is Deuce and I control the delete button on this blog, jew bashing is fine, israel trashing OK, zionism mashing wonderful, but don't "PUSH" it and piss me off….Tue Sep 23, 01:26:00 PM EDT

      up your's sparkie

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  9. A report from News 4 in Tucson, Arizona indicates that the incidents of American citizens and Border Patrolmen being confronted, and even assaulted, by armed Mexican soldiers on U.S. territory is neither rare nor accidental. These stories include Border Patrolmen being held at gunpoint by Mexican soldiers with automatic weapons, a citizen’s ranch being invaded by troops brought in by Mexican Army helicopters, and even a U.S. citizen being shot. The wounded American is still looking for justice as he faces over $40,000 in hospital bills from his injuries. The rancher said the FBI investigated, but he has heard nothing more from them, and the U.S. government only says the government of Mexico is “looking into it.”

    When asked, the Mexican Army simply says they “got lost” looking for drug dealers. More likely, either they are looking to rob drug dealers or they are the narco-traffickers themselves. While these deliberate armed violations of our sovereignty by representatives of the Mexican government are ignored by Washington, D.C., our own former Marine, Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi, still rots in a Mexican jail for the crime of making a wrong turn. When President Obama recently spoke on the telephone with his Mexican counterpart about the recent crisis with immigrants coming through his country to ours, the president did not see fit to even bring up the subject of Sgt. Tahmooressi. Perhaps if Tahmooressi were a deserter who may have collaborated with enemies of our country, the president would have found him more worth saving.

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    1. Old news.

      Usually when a couple of armed men in Mexican Army uniforms confront the US Border Patrol the US response is predictable.
      Border Patrol agents rally to the area the Mexicans were seen at. This leaves rather glaring gaps in other areas along the frontier, gaps which are then exploited by smugglers.

      The helicopter incident was more of the same.

      As for the Marine, another sad story of an American smuggling weapons into Mexico, perhaps inadvertently.
      Happens a couple times a year, usually the media pays scant interest to the stories, but in this case, because the smuggler is a US Marine it has garnered a few inches of press.

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  10. A lot of those strikes, last night, were in support of the Syrian Kurds that have been under attack, lately.

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    1. There you go, maybe the "Rat Doctrine" has not been abandoned, merely integrated into a "Grander Strategy".

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    3. Stay focused upon the characters and not the content, it makes the case I am presenting all the easier.

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    4. It validates the lack of veracity in the Zionist camp.

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  11. Ah, the doctrine is grand.......grander........grandest......

    What a lot of horseshit, a few air strikes and your doctrine.......is now a grander 'strategy'..................

    You pass gas.

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    1. At least I can sign into my Google account.

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    2. Ah, you have admitted you pass gas.

      :):):):)

      So you are a felon who is a self described professional asshole that passes gas.....

      Hell of a resume.....

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    3. But at least you can sign in with a google account......


      The women like that.....

      ;)

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  12. Here is another example of the Zionists trying to limit freedom of speech and artistic expression.
    Book burners are like that.

    Metropolitan Opera opening night greeted with 'Klinghoffer' protests

    http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/culture/la-et-cm-metropolitan-opera-protests-israel-20140922-story.html

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    1. A hundred years before the advent of Hitler, the German-Jewish poet, Heinrich Heine, had declared:
      "Wherever books are burned, human beings are destined to be burned too."

      On the night of May 10, 1933, an event unseen in Europe since the Middle Ages occurred as German students from universities once regarded as among the finest in the world, gathered in Berlin to burn books with "unGerman" ideas.
      …. http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/triumph/tr-bookburn.htm

      May 20, 2008 - Orthodox Jews burn hundreds of New Testaments in latest act of violence against Christian missionaries in Israel. ... The Maariv newspaper reported Tuesday that hundreds of students took part in the book-burning. . . .
      https://www.google.com/search?q=israel+book+burning&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

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    2. The Zionists in Israel, replicating NAZI Germany and events unseen in Europe since the Middle Ages.

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    3. Excellent! Wait 2008?

      Nothing more recent than that?


      http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/6548:book-burning-in-arizona

      Book Burning in Arizona

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    4. Anonymous attempts to conflate which books the state approves for the public schools with burning Bibles.

      Enough said.

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  13. 'You are either with us or against us'
    - George W Bush
    November 6, 2001

    Where are the Israeli, they were not, are not, with US.
    Not in Kuwait, not in Iraq, not in Syria.

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    1. If you are not invited to the party?

      It's not polite to crash the party...

      Your rewriting of history is amusing

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    2. From Jack Hawkins File of Unremarkable and out of context quotesTue Sep 23, 01:24:00 PM EDT

      #65

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  14. Jack HawkinsTue Sep 23, 10:19:00 AM EDT
    The Zionists in Israel, replicating NAZI Germany and events unseen in Europe since the Middle Ages.


    Yep, 2,000 dead in Gaza after a month out of a population of 1,800,000

    JUST like Nazi Germany...

    LOL

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    1. That is not the issue raised, wiggle, wiggle, dance on a string

      The issue raised was the suppression of ideas that the Zionists disapprove of.
      Book Burning. Repression of religions.
      But if you want to expand the discussion, let's find a expert, a Jew that survived the NAZI.

      “To me the Zionists, who want to go back to the Jewish state of A.D. 70 (destruction of Jerusalem by Titus) are just as offensive as the Nazis.

      With their nosing after blood, their ancient "cultural roots," ...
      their partly canting, partly obtuse winding back of the world they are altogether a match for the National Socialists.

      That is the fantastic thing about the National Socialists,...
      that they simultaneously share in a community of ideas with Soviet Russia and with Zion.”


      ― Victor Klemperer, I Will Bear Witness: A Diary of the Nazi Years, 1933-1941


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    2. The issue raised was the suppression of ideas that the Zionists disapprove of.
      Book Burning. Repression of religions.


      Keep saying that, just proves you are the nitwit was all know.

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    3. you are the nitwit was all know
      Back to ESL class, "O"rdure

      LOL

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    4. doesn't change the point, as for TYPOS and auto correct?

      You lead the blog in those.

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    5. I surely do lead in typos!
      But what you did was not a typo, that was a grammatical disconnect.

      Unintelligible sentence structure.

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  15. That was a hell of a screed by Deuce that was quoted up there. I must have missed it the first time around............


    "The god of the Jews is an especially mean prick."

    This is especially off the mark.

    The 10 Commands for instance is the beginning document for the establishment of a civil society within their group. They were at war with other groups of course - who hasn't been? - but it is a beginning.

    If Deuce gets mobbed by blacks in Philly, as might happen if he is target of knockout game, he will be looking to an ancient Jewish document the basics of which are now in our law to settle things in court............the 10 might even be out there on the court house lawn in stone......

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    1. On the other hand he could turn to the Koran, and, if he wasn't a muzz, he'd be shit out of luck.

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    2. The Ten Commands were Egyptian, He da ho Bob.
      Either plagiarized by Moses, or ... Moses was an Egyptian priest in the cult of the Aton.

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    3. Women, by the way, are especially 'out of luck' in the Koran.

      They are not, for instance, supposed to have sexual pleasure........to this very day.

      I may be 'in the outbacks of Idaho' but I have yet to meet a woman yet that wants to voluntarily undergo a clitorectomy.

      Jewish society way back in the day also had elements of the old patriarchal way of looking at things but we now have Jewish women on our Supreme Court......

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    5. Jack HawkinsTue Sep 23, 10:40:00 AM EDT

      The Ten Commands were Egyptian, He da ho Bob.
      Either plagiarized by Moses, or ... Moses was an Egyptian priest in the cult of the Aton.


      :):):):)

      Whatever crapper. You at least don't abide by them.

      There is nothing unique about the 10.

      It is just the beginnings of a civil society.

      Take a literary journey to India.....to China.........

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  16. If Deuce gets into the knockout game, he will be guided by the laws of Lord Smith and Father Wesson.

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    1. Good luck with that...

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    2. “Luck is the residue of design.”

      ― John Milton

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  17. You da ho Bob, but the fact that a secular society does not discriminate against Jewish women, does not mean that Jewih societies do not discriminate against women.

    Not only the ultra-Orthodox discriminate against women in Israel
    What everyone nowadays is calling exclusion of women by is nothing less than misogyny and gynophobia, sexism that's deeply rooted.

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/not-only-the-ultra-orthodox-discriminate-against-women-in-israel-1.403578

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    1. Your grasp of Israeli society and the information you impart? could not fill a thimble

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    2. That is why I use references from those that are there, and admit it.

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    3. From Jack Hawkins File of Unremarkable and out of context quotesTue Sep 23, 01:23:00 PM EDT

      #54

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  18. Those Israelis, that Deuce, Rat and Rufus called cowards for only using airstrikes (like America) are seen on this video, going into hostile held territory to take out a terrorist that kidnapped 1 American teenager & 2 Israeli teenagers then executed them with their hands tied behind their backs.

    Rat has long proclaimed that the 3 were murdered by an Israeli false flag operation, even after hamas took credit for the illegal war crime. Which of course sparked the massive man hunt which caused Hamas to fired thousands of rockets at civilians in Israel.

    Some pussies the IDF are...

    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/WATCH-Dramatic-footage-of-Israeli-SWAT-team-killing-Palestinian-murderers-of-three-Jewish-teens-376210

    Now as we speak, America is bombing the cousins of Hamas but is not taking time to warn the ISIS to evacuate civilians and non-combantants.

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    1. AN American was executed by Hamas, a teenager...

      But he doesn't count cause he was a Jew.

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    2. I never said anything about Israelis being cowards.

      I did say that I thought the government sucks, and that I don't think the country, as it's presently formulated, can last.

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    3. It will last.

      Because they don't kill one another.

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  19. Of course I don't like the Ultra - Orthodox as they seem to call themselves, or anyone like them. Thankfully they seem to never win an election......

    Women in Jewish politics -

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_women_in_politics

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    1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzipi_Livni

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    2. Name a Minister of Justice that is female in..............Saudi Arabia..........Iran............Gaza?...........Iraq??........

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    3. Of course the secular Zionists do not follow the teachings of Judaism, You da ho Bob.

      The Zionists in politics often ignore the Laws of Moses in the Torah.

      Tel Aviv devotes about $100,000 — more than a third of its international marketing budget — to drawing gay tourists. Though no exact figures exist, officials estimate that tens of thousands of gay tourists from abroad arrive annually.

      "We are trying to create a model for openness, pluralism, tolerance,"

      Tel Aviv Mayor Ron Huldai told The Associated Press. "Live and let live — this is the city of Tel Aviv."

      The city's first openly gay-owned hotel was opened recently and numerous city-backed travel sites direct gay visitors to the hottest clubs, bars and resorts in town.

      "We've long recognized the economic potential of the gay community. The gay tourist is a quality tourist, who spends money and sets trends,"

      said Pini Shani, a Tourism Ministry official who has been involved in the campaign. "There's also no doubt that a tourist who's had a positive experience here is of PR value. If he leaves satisfied, he becomes an Israeli ambassador of good will."


      The Zionists don't read or do not believe what is written in Leviticus.
      I'd vote for do not believe, but that is as it is viewed from afar.
      I assume the Zionists are literate, and read the rules at least once.

      http://cnsnews.com/news/article/tel-aviv-emerges-top-gay-tourist-destination

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    4. Once again, You da ho Bob, the Zionist propaganda has clouded your mind of much. The conflation of Zionism and Israel with the religion of Judaism ... The two are separate, not one and the same.

      Wake up

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    5. Once again, You da ho Bob, the Zionist propaganda has clouded your mind of mush

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    6. Get the handcuffs, the white light, the clean underwear, the mood music out for the rathole once again, folks.

      He is in need of social restraint, again a danger to himself and others.

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    7. From Jack Hawkins File of Unremarkable and out of context quotesTue Sep 23, 01:23:00 PM EDT

      #23

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  20. T-Zip is working with that outcast the bastard Netanyahu, whom I have always liked a lot:

    >>Raised an ardent nationalist, Livni has become one of her nation's leading voices for the two-state solution.[4] In Israel she has earned a reputation as an honest politician who sticks to her principles.[5][6][7][8][9] In 2011 Livni was named one of "150 Women Who Shake the World" by Newsweek and The Daily Beast.[10]

    Since 18 March 2013 she has served as the Israeli Minister of Justice under Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, as leader of the liberal Hatnuah party, which won 6 seats in the January 2013 Israeli elections. She is also charged with overseeing the country's diplomatic initiatives and peace talks with the Palestinians<<

    Just another Lady in Israeli politics.......

    If I were Israeli I doubt I would vote for her, but......there she is........right in the middle of things......a WOMAN.......why, think of it....

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    1. Anybody remember a gal named Golda?

      We still haven't elected a woman as leader of our country.

      And I hope we don't elect Shillary.

      Sarah would do all things well............

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    2. "There will be peace when the Arabs teach their children not to hate"

      That Golda.....

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    3. That way, Udaho Bob, noly the Zionist children would be imbibed with an ideology of hate.
      That would certainly give the Zionists an advantage, to have their opponents become lambs.

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    4. That way, Udaho Bob, only the Zionist children would be imbibed with an ideology of hate.

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    5. Rat is a figment of your imaginationTue Sep 23, 12:43:00 PM EDT

      Zionist children love life.

      They want to live. Love and grow their homes in Zion.

      Hense they are "zionists".

      Self defense is not "hate".

      Now Jihadism/Islam? That is a religion of hate.

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    6. The Zionist love their lives ...

      But have been killing Palestinian children at the rate of about fifteen a month for the entirety of the 21st century.

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    7. 15 palestinian kids killed by Israel a month for the entirety of the 21st centuryTue Sep 23, 01:01:00 PM EDT

      Aint that great?

      A whole 15 a month….

      Still doesn't stack up next to Syria's. America's & or Russia kill totals. But Israel can keep trying to improve...

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  21. The slaughter begins….

    According to the Syrian Observatory, citing local activists on the ground, at least 30 Nusra fighters were killed in the strikes. The group said eight civilians, including two children, were also killed.

    CHILDRED!!!! MURDERED BY AMERICA… No "warnings", heck even the "zip-nazis" called us 1st...

    It's the start of another American genocide of the Arab peoples.

    Now America, together with Syrian Alawites, Shia Hezbollah and Shia Iranians are plotting together to murder the Sunni Arabs…


    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-launches-first-airstrikes-against-isis-in-syria/

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    1. Farmer Rob usually uses italics ...
      Uses Bold Letters
      Has Captain America coming at ya'

      You present a sad imitation, "O"rdure.

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    2. Farmer Rob and Jack Hawkins love "farm animals" in an unhealthy wayTue Sep 23, 01:27:00 PM EDT

      Farmer Rob usually uses a broom stick up his own ass when a horse is not around but who cares?

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    3. the Talmud teaches that
      "unnatural intercourse does not cause a woman to be forbidden to marry a High Priest,"
      since then "you will find no woman eligible … ."
      ... from the Talmud book of Yebamoth, Folios 59a-59b)

      Rulings of the "sages" follow:
      "A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a priest — even a High Priest."

      Unless specifically warned in advance and the act seen by two witnesses, she is acceptable also. If she had intercourse with a dog while sweeping the floor, she is likewise reckoned to be pure, and suitable. For,

      "The result of such intercourse being regarded as a mere wound, and the opinion that does not regard an accidentally injured hymen as a disqualification does not regard such as intercourse either."

      http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt05.html

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    4. If the High Priests of Babylonian Judaism could not marry women that fucked dogs, why ...
      There'd have been no women available for them to marry!

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  22. (CNN) -- [Breaking news update]. The coalition that attacked ISIS in Syria overnight "makes it clear to the world that this is not America's fight alone," and that governments in the Middle East are rejecting ISIS, President Barack Obama said Tuesday.

    Israel prefers al-Qeada (ISIS)
    Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren told the Jerusalem Post that Israel so wanted Assad out and his Iranian backers weakened, that Israel would accept al-Qaeda operatives taking power in Syria.

    “We always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran.”

    Even if the other “bad guys” were affiliated with al-Qaeda.
    “We understand that they are pretty bad guys,” Oren said in the interview.


    http://www.jpost.com/Syria-Crisis/Oren-Jerusalem-has-wanted-Assad-ousted-since-the-outbreak-of-the-Syrian-civil-war-326328

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    1. From Jack Hawkins File of Unremarkable and out of context quotesTue Sep 23, 01:02:00 PM EDT

      #31

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    2. Actually they are sorted by subject.

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    3. And seen by the lead line.
      In the case of this one, it is ...

      ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDA

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    4. From Jack Hawkins File of Unremarkable and out of context quotesTue Sep 23, 01:22:00 PM EDT

      #16

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  23. Australia's most senior soldier, Chief of Army Lieutenant General David Morrison, has warned the fight against the Islamic State may be part of one "long war" that lasts for decades into the future.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/army-chief-predicts-a-long-war-as-us-and-arab-states-hit-is-in-syria-
    20140923-10l1nt.html#ixzz3E9z6YYRv

    When the people in charge want a "Long War", they will have a "Long War".

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    1. My name is Jack Hawkins and I was dropped on my head as a baby, repeatedlyTue Sep 23, 01:29:00 PM EDT

      LOL

      Islam has been at war with everyone since ole Mo ripped off his 1st jew in 587 CE….

      All fair minded and honest folks know that…

      But you lie… You like like a cheap rug…

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    2. The discussion is not about Islam, the discussion is why the Israeli are not with US in this fight against Islamic Radicals.
      Why Israel prefers al-Qeada to the Alawites, Christians and their Kurdish allies, in Syria.

      If you with to avoid the discussion, that suits me just fine.

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    3. That you do not want to tell us why, when all the other nations in the region are flying with US, the Israeli stay on the ground.
      Suits me just fine.

      The only action the Israeli have taken, in the fight, is to shoot down a Syrian jet.
      A jet that we can assume would have been used in the fight against ISIS.
      Since the Syrian military's primary target are the Islamic Radicals.

      Israel is fighting, utilizing it's own combat power, against those that are fighting radical Islam.

      That is the reality on the ground, just yesterday and probably today.
      Israel's actions speak volumes.

      Israel prefers al-Qeada to the Alawites, Christians and their Kurdish allies

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    4. Israel has long embraced the Kurds as a real people, they have helped arm, train and support them...

      They, the Kurds, unlike the Palestinians, are a legitimate people of the region,

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  24. You are really fucked up, Jackrat.

    Take him down, Deuce.

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  25. When Udaho Bob needs a quote from an Israeli, he merely manufacturers it, out of his own imagination.

    When I quote an Israeli, it is from the JPost or Haaratz.
    The truth really riles Udaho Bob.

    Udaho Bob, always amongst the first to demand a censor.

    “The real division is not between conservatives and revolutionaries but between authoritarians and libertarians.”
    ― George Orwell

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    1. And we all know that Udaho Bob has no tolerance for Libertarians, either upper or lower case.

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  26. Robert Frost -

    eyes meet eyes - in a poem -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbAp5nphTz4

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  27. Take him down, Deuce.

    The last fifteen or so posts have been childish non sense.

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    1. Simple truths, Udaho Bob.

      Wake UP!

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    2. Did you find a Jewish mistress, Udho Bob?

      Is that what has warped your view of the world, your new Jewess squeeze?

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  28. When eyes meet eyes, that is evolution, always the beginning of that something more..................

    Robert Frost.

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    1. Thinking of your new Jewess mistress, Udaho Bob?

      Is that what had turned your brain to mush, or is it Alzheimers?

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  29. It is mystical, untoward, untrue..... but beyond all truth.

    It is love.

    Robert Frost.

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    1. We all know that Udaho Bob has no real tolerance for Lovers, either upper or lower case.

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    2. There is no more lead in my pencil, Jackrat

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    3. Upwards towards the light.....

      Robert Frost

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  30. Idaho BobTue Sep 23, 03:05:00 PM EDT

    There is no more lead in my pencil, Jackrat

    I did not write that.

    But it is not so bad when one considers it........

    I will go about the business of getting a google account..........

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  31. Re: Syrian air attacks

    Why, goodness me, those poor devils on the ground were summarily killed without the benefit of a fair trial and rules of evidence.

    Re: Israeli nukes

    We have them for the same reasons the U.S., Russia, China, the U.K. and France have them: fuck with us enough and you die. In a normal world that is called MAD. In Deuce's world...who knows...

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    1. "we"? Are you now admitting to be an Israeli?

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    2. No you moron.

      He's collectively speaking about the jewish state.

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  32. Well Allen, I actually was in the MAD game for seven years. It works as a deterrent. The US needs a deterrent. Israel needs a deterrent and other countries always being threatened with annihilation by many Israelis including yourself in the previous comment need one. Iran, with a nuked up Israel in the neighborhood, ruled by a Netanyahu, would be mad without MAD.

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    1. If Israel was insane like you say? Iran would have been nuked decades ago

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  33. Israel is untrustworthy. While I was on duty in the US military the US trusted Israel. The US believed that Israel would never attack an American ship and kill American servicemen. That was a mistake that got Americans killed. I would highly recommend that no one else trust that a nuclear armed Israel would never use them. I would never trust Israel.

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  34. You are nuts.

    You would trust Iran, who has said they mean for a world with you, without YOU THE GREAT SATAN, over Israel.

    And with their theology of the coming of Heaven through a world wide holocaust.

    Folks, this makes no sense.

    Jesus.

    No wonder I long for the sanity of my Niece.

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  35. Israel could have wiped out to radioactive rubble all the Arab and Iranian cities anytime in the last twenty years.

    And you want me sit sit here and listen to you say Israel is untrustworthy?

    It is total non sense.

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    1. Just to prove to you the heights of your foolishness, the depths of your political ineptitude and the perfection of your moral vacuity I am going to adjust your sentence that is supposed to sell Israel as some paragon of virtue because they have not nuked anyone killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

      We take your sentence: ISRAEL could have wiped out to radioactive rubble all the ARAB and IRANIAN cities anytime in the last twenty years.

      RUSSIA could have wiped out to radioactive rubble all the UKRAINIAN and MUSLIM cities anytime in the last twenty years.

      Somehow, that would make Russia something anyone would want to aspire to? That is how we are to see Israel, be grateful that they have not sunk anymore of our ships since 1967?

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    2. Israel is a net liability to the US. That is a fact. There not having nuked anyone does not make them any less of a liability.

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    3. No it's your opinion, not shared by the majority of the nation and it's leaders.

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    4. If given the chance, Iran and or MOST of the arabs would have nuked Israel if possible.

      And since they didnt have nukes?

      they have tried, unsuccessfully, to genocide the Jews repeatedly.

      If the Jews were as savage as their cousins the arabs? The arabs would be dead decades ago. The arabs are quite lucky to have the jews as their enemies... No one else on the planet would or does put up with their type of shit.

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  36. Golda could have vanished Cairo.

    She did not do so.

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  37. That is by the way a 1300 pound hay bale.

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  38. The few times I have spoken to my Niece about Islam she always rolls her eyes.

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  39. I am working up to giving you boys and girls a full blast of the actual Hindu philosophy.

    I am going to clean your little asses.

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    1. It will make perfect good sense to our Jewish contributors but will lost on the lapsed Catholics among us.

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    2. .

      That is by the way a 1300 pound hay bale.

      How fitting.

      A bulging haystack for a gibbous hayseed.

      .

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    3. gibbous

      ?

      I will flatten your ass next week.

      I am drinking now.

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    4. Leave me alone, fly.

      It is nearly October.

      Die.

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    5. Q, I am drinking but not driving.

      I am thinking you might want to look into one of those self driving cars......

      Your insurance rates might go down.

      Always thinking of your best interests first---

      bobbo

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  40. The basics have to do with 'materiality' and, o wow, consciousness...............

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  41. Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, has condemned Isil's continuing imprisonment of Mr Henning, saying the British aid worker had traveled to the Middle East "simply to help".

    "He was doing good and I think it speaks volumes about Isil that this is how they're treating someone who went out there to help their people," Mr Hammond told CNN.

    The foreign secretary defended Britain's absence from the group of nations already bombing the jihadists, saying the government was still considering whether to launch strikes in Iraq.

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  42. AshTue Sep 23, 04:53:00 PM EDT
    "we"? Are you now admitting to be an Israeli?


    I am as Israeli as Abraham.

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    1. Then you are not an Israeli, and not a Semite, either.

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    2. You haven't even risen to the level of A. bahrelghazali.................

      You still scratch your rib cage.....

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    3. Has to do with Abraham, Robert Peterson, it is not about me.

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    4. No, it certainly does not.

      You are actually right for once.

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    5. Abraham was many things, but never an Israelite.
      He lived in Canaan.

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    6. Jack HawkinsTue Sep 23, 09:24:00 PM EDT
      Abraham was many things, but never an Israelite.
      He lived in Canaan

      It's amazing the number of historic errors you can say in one sentence.

      Thanks for the laughs...

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  43. gibbous

    ?

    I don't know whether to be startled, afeared, deeply impressed.....or what........

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    1. .

      You can never go wrong with 'or what'.

      .

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  44. I'm related to:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens

    myself

    via my ancestors from Detroit:

    Australopithecus

    I often think of myself as Homo Sapiens Sapiens.....

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    1. Homohabilusdetroitogibbous......

      We are in the phone book white pages...........

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    2. It was once a goal to write a cookbook, claiming authorship by Idi Amin. My original title was, "Cooking With Homo habilis."

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  45. Eyes meeting eyes...........

    Always upward towards the light...............

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbAp5nphTz4

    Robert Frost

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  46. WiO,

    I pay little attention to what others say of me. Taking Franklin’s point, “The sting of insult is truth”, I just get on with a busy life. The fact is, when viewing this site from time-to-time, I look for your comments and those of Bob. If they make me curious I will spend a few minutes looking a little deeper. Generally, there is not much to see, having read it all before, and I click out.

    Obviously, I am a Zionist. Without Zionism, Eichmann would have come very close to catching the 10.3 million Jews he had in mind. Zionism made possible a refuge, despite English duplicity and treachery. That refuge was paid for in blood. We intend to keep it because as sure as G-d makes little green apples there are going to be many more Jews in the future who will need a refuge.

    My thoughts turn more and more to aliyah. We shall see.

    Shanah Tovah!

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    1. Allen

      My thoughts turn more and more to aliyah. We shall see.

      Shanah Tovah!

      Mine as well..

      Every day.

      A place were we don't have to apologize for wanting to live.

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    2. A place that was stolen from the legitimate residents, and you are not apologetic about it.

      Sounds like you.

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    3. Jack, how's your stolen 350 bottom acres?

      Unlike you, The jews hold title to the lands of Israel. The world knows it, the Jews know it and even when the Arabs are honest? They admit it.

      The cool thing? Israel is not creating "facts" on the ground, it's uncovering them.

      Israel from the tip to the bottom is chock full of Jewish history and artifacts. Unlike the moslems we do not destroy the moslem and christian "stuff" usually placed on top of our most revered sites. but simply demand that our history be respected.

      Israel is the national homeland for the Jewish People.

      Proclaimed by BOTH the League of Nations and the United Nations.

      Dont agree? Too bad, far greater enemies, far lethal enemies, far more intelligent enemies have existed and will exist than you.

      You barely rise to a pimple on the ass of a Fatah member and that aint saying much.

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    4. It is not about, "O"rdure, despite your, shall we say half-assed efforts to make it so.

      That you elevate Jack Hawkins to the same level as the state of Israel, well, just proves that Israel is a fiction.

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  47. One can strive for one's destiny.

    This is good.

    One can suffer one's fate.

    This is bad.

    I actually feel for Rat - O - Rooter.

    Though I have no reason too, and probably shouldn't.

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  48. In Obama said that when threats arise that threaten the international order America would seek to build and lead coalitions to challenge them. But when America is threatened directly it would strike unilaterally.

    ...

    There were three waves of attacks over Syria on Tuesday night. The second and third were made up of American missiles aircraft and drones and the fighter jets of its regional allies.

    But the first – that volley of Tomahawk cruise missiles launched against the Khorasan – was an entirely American effort.


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  49. "I'm getting old, Uncle Bob".

    At this I admit I broke out in laughter......

    "Goodness my Dear Niece you are hardly out of the barn".

    She laughed at this.....

    She is, she finally told me, a few very short years from 30.

    In our culture Christ is always thought to be 30, 32 something like that.

    This is when a human being is thought to arise to the top of life.......the height of one's powers......the monomyth......the very best time to get crucified, mythologically speaking.....

    Her family is putting pressure on her to 'get married'................

    An independent thinker, she is 'thinking about it'.............

    :):)




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  50. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbAp5nphTz4

    :)

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  51. It is Love that moves the spheres, and the other stars......

    She now has a PhD she is dating heavily.......

    :)

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  52. Bob OreilleTue Sep 23, 09:11:00 PM EDT
    Homohabilusdetroitogibbous......

    We are in the phone book white pages...........


    Can I get that with anchovies?

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  53. 25% more Insurance Companies will take part in the Obamacare Exchanges in 2015.

    Rates to rise about 1% for those willing to shop.

    It's a disaster, I tells ye (if you're a 'publican, that is.) :)

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  54. Lieutenant General William Mayville, director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, cited the role of Iraqi security forces, which were overrun in the face of the Islamic State’s assault over the summer, the Kurdish peshmerga militia, and Syrian rebels eager to receive American training and arms.

    “The most important thing is to create some space for the Iraqi security forces to reorganize and . . . get on the offensive,”
    Mayville said at a Pentagon briefing.

    Initial accounts suggest the new strikes by US and allied aircraft and Navy ships — on top of strikes over the last six weeks in Iraq — damaged or destroyed a series of facilities and forces that the Islamic State has built up during the course of Syria’s civil war, including communications systems, headquarters, training camps, weapons supplies, and barracks for fighters.

    “This can be a tremendous boon to the ground forces who are there and who can engage the enemy,”
    said retired Air Force Major General Walter T. Givhan, former head of the Air University in Alabama and now a vice chancellor at Troy University.

    Indeed, some of the local forces that the United States is counting on said that in the wake of the strikes, they were ready to follow up on the ground.

    Hadi Al-Bahra, president of the Syrian Opposition Coalition, said in a statement Tuesday that his group would work
    “to ensure the military fight takes place on the ground, and to ensure that there is no need for US or foreign boots on the ground.”


    http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/09/24/with-strikes-launched-syria-challenges-escalate-for-president-obama/i8LtksG0WjRQk09VxFN8qI/story.html?rss_id=Top-GNP&google_editors_picks=true

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    1. The "Rat Doctrine" in motion.

      “Once the Iraqi army is reconstituted and motivated, it may take six to 12 months,”
      predicted Michael O’Hanlon, a military analyst at the Brookings Institution.
      “There is no reason to think that this war will be won soon.”

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  55. Allied with barbaric regional regimes who gestated “Islamic State,” Washington’s attack on Syria sets dangerous new precedent

    Without a UN mandate or even a cohesive narrative, the United States and its regional allies have begun unilaterally bombing targets in Syria. Together with Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar – the very sponsors of extremists groups fighting inside of Syria, including the Islamic State, its offshoot al Nusra, and other Al Qaeda aligned factions – the US has opened a new chapter on global anarchy.

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  56. On Wednesday USA Today quoted Army Lt. Gen. William Mayville, director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who said forever war is a certainty.

    “I would think of it in terms of years,” Mayville said.

    Obama said as much on Tuesday. “This is not going to be something that is quick, and it is not something that is going to be easy,” he said.

    One might be reminded of George Orwell’s 1984 where the Inner Party conducted an unwinnable forever war.

    “We’ve always been at war with Eastasia,” the party claimed as it effortlessly changed enemies from “Eurasia” to “Eastasia” during Hate Week.

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  57. WASHINGTON, Sept 24 (Reuters) - The United States believes that a U.S. strike in Syria has killed Mohsin al-Fadhli, the leader of a group of al Qaeda militants known as Khorasan, a U.S. official told Reuters on Wednesday.

    "We believe he is dead," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    U.S. officials have said the al Qaeda-linked group posed an immediate threat to the West and had been nearing the execution of a plot against U.S. or European targets. (Reporting by Phil Stewart; Editing by Susan Heavey and Bill Trott)

    "Virgins Time," asshole

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    1. The barrage of bombs and missiles launched into Syria early Tuesday was aimed primarily at crippling the Islamic State, the formidable Sunni organization that has seized a large piece of territory to form its own radical enclave. But the blitz also targeted a little-known network called Khorasan, in hopes of paralyzing it before it could carry out what American officials feared would be a terrorist attack in the West.

      A twofer

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    2. The US has learned at least one lesson, it will not allow a line on a map, a line that the enemy does not acknowledge, to provide sanctuary from the fight. The US seems more than willing to overlook the niceties of the international norms it helped to develop and imposed of the rest of the world.

      Charging headlong in to the "Hegelian Dialectic", first creating the 'problem', then amplifying it to create fear amongst the population, so the previously rejected 'solution' can be imposed.


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    3. aaah, yes, hummm, Hegel, yes, Hegel.................strokes mustache, takes piss......goes back to bed....

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  58. Indeed, if you click on the link provided by Tony Cartalucci ....

    Veteran journalist and Pulitzer Prize-winner Seymour Hersh would warn the world in a 9-page report published by the New Yorker of the conspiracy against Iran and Syria. In a report titled, “The Redirection Is the Administration’s new policy benefitting our enemies in the war on terrorism?” Hersh would report (emphasis added):

    "To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.

    It is abundantly clear that these “Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant version of Islam” and that are “sympathetic to Al Qaeda” have led the fighting against Syria since 2011, and through the rise of groups like Al Nusra and ISIS, constitute the verbatim fulfillment of Hersh’s prophetic warning.

    For the very sponsors of ISIS to pose as a unilateral global force that can invade a nation’s sovereignty at will, bomb and kill militants, government troops, and civilians alike with utter impunity, in a quest to undo terrorists organizations of their own creation, is the work of a true “Axis of Evil.”


    This point of view is being expressed all across the World Wide Web.

    This perspective has to be surmised, by connecting the dots, because there is, to my knowledge only one nation in the region that has publicly stated its support for the Islamic Radicals operating in Syria and Iraq. It was Israel's ambassador to the US who plainly stated Israel's position, publicly in an interview with the JPost just one short year ago.

    “We always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran. ...
    Even if the other “bad guys” were affiliated with al-Qaeda.

    http://www.jpost.com/Syria-Crisis/Oren-Jerusalem-has-wanted-Assad-ousted-since-the-outbreak-of-the-Syrian-civil-war-326328

    So that part of the mosaic is easily visible, not even hiding in plain sight.
    Bibi, himself, going to visit al-Qeada terrorists recuperating in Israeli hospital after being wounded in the fight against the lawful and UN recognized government of Syria. Evidence in these two images:

    http://www.tlvfaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/bibi-2.jpg

    http://syrianfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/netanyahu-visits-in-israeli-hospitals-terrorists-injured-in-syria-2.jpg

    Deny your lying eyes, if you want to, but the facts are plain to see ...

    Israel prefers al-Qeada over the Alawites, Christians and their Kurdish allies in Syria.

    The only question remaining to be answered, does the US?
    Is ISIS merely a US proxy gone bad, or is it part of a global "False Flag" effort to keep the US involved in a perpetual war?

    Has Ike's warning to US, of the government being corrupted by the Military Industrial Complex come to pass.
    Have we slipped into fascism ... as it was defined by the fella that coined the word.

    “Fascism should more appropriately be called 'Corporatism' because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
    ― Benito Mussolini



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  59. It is clear that for years, the West and its regional allies have pursued a singular agenda, with only the rhetorical cover used to sell it to the public changing as one facade collapsed after another. The most tenuous facade of all is America’s current campaign against its own ISIS mercenaries – conveniently opening up a third front in the east to join Turkey and Israel’s provocations to the north and west respectively.

    What will follow is the permanent operation of US and terrorist forces everywhere from Raqqa to Aleppo, leaving it up to Damascus to tempt provoking a direct war against itself by attempting to attack terrorists protected by US airpower, special forces, and other assets deployed to the region.

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    1. Israel has consistently used the conflict as an excuse to pick apart the Syrian government and its military. With terrorists hailing from Al Nusra along its borders – Israel is clearly harboring and protecting them with extraterritorial attacks just as Turkey has done in the north and the US will begin doing in the east.

      Far from conjecture, the goal of opening a multi-front war with Syria has been the stated agenda of Western policymakers for years. In 2012, the corporate-financier funded Brookings Institution in their “Middle East Memo #21″ “Assessing Options for Regime Change” stated specifically (emphasis added):

      In addition, Israel’s intelligence services have a strong knowledge of Syria, as well as assets within the Syrian regime that could be used to subvert the regime’s power base and press for Asad’s removal. Israel could posture forces on or near the Golan Heights and, in so doing, might divert regime forces from suppressing the opposition. This posture may conjure fears in the Asad regime of a multi-front war, particularly if Turkey is willing to do the same on its border and if the Syrian opposition is being fed a steady diet of arms and training. Such a mobilization could perhaps persuade Syria’s military leadership to oust Asad in order to preserve itself. Advocates argue this additional pressure could tip the balance against Asad inside Syria, if other forces were aligned properly.

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  60. Hegel, ahhh, Hegel, Hegel was, hummm, ahhhh...basically full of shit...............

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  61. Thesis:

    Paleolithic hunter/gatherer/fisher societies

    Antithesis:

    Damn farmers/cities

    Synthesis:

    Work in progress





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    1. Progress ?

      Not according to some 'anti-Hegelian' thinkers.............for whom human spirituality - the only thing that counts - is on a dive downwards.

      Exhibit A:

      I present to the Court........Rufus...............

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    The "Rat Doctrine" in motion.

    You have to laugh (or at least smirk).

    The US starts bombing Syria and rat says that's the end of the 'Rat Doctrine'.

    Today he says attacking Syria makes perfect sense.

    Then he puts up a quote about the long war and states that proves the 'Rat Doctrine'.

    The fact that in the past all the rat talked about was tactics and downplayed strategy...well...

    No doubt we can can count upon daily updates, dependent upon the flow of the war, on how the 'Rat Doctrine', however morphed, is either manifest or being abandoned by faulty policy makers.

    In the future, we can file the rat's meandering droppings under the heading "Foxhole Level Observations from the Little General"

    :o)

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    1. Rat is a figment of your imaginationWed Sep 24, 12:49:00 PM EDT

      Cut and paste where "Rat" said the attack on Syria made perfect sense.

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    2. He knows his Hegel though.......

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  63. Today no war has been declared — and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired.

    If the press is awaiting a declaration of war before it imposes the self-discipline of combat conditions, then I can only say that no war ever posed a greater threat to our security. If you are awaiting a finding of "clear and present danger," then I can only say that the danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent.

    It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions — by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence — on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

    Nevertheless, every democracy recognizes the necessary restraints of national security — and the question remains whether those restraints need to be more strictly observed if we are to oppose this kind of attack as well as outright invasion.

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      The armchair general tries to offer us an equivalency standard equating the Cold War to a struggle against what has been described here as '10,000-30,000 head severing psychopaths' that have neither airforce nor navy.

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