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Thursday, October 17, 2013

Waterloo on the Potomac

304 comments:

  1. Here is a win:

    UPDATE 3-Billionaire Mark Cuban cleared of insider trading; blasts U.S. government

    Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:30am IST
    By Jana J. Pruet

    Oct 16 (Reuters) - Flamboyant billionaire Mark Cuban on Wednesday was cleared by a Texas jury of using a private tip to avoid a big loss on his 2004 sale of Internet company shares, in a stinging rebuke for the U.S. government which had accused him of insider trading.

    Cuban, 55, the owner of the Dallas Mavericks basketball team, lashed out at the U.S. government and lead prosecutor Jan Folena after the verdict, saying the government had tried to bully him.

    "Jan Folena, who represents the United States of America, stood up there and lied," an angry Cuban told reporters after the nine-member jury read its decision.

    "I'm the luckiest guy in the world and I'm glad I could stand up to them," he said.

    Estimated by Forbes magazine to have a net worth of $2.5 billion, Cuban was accused by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission of trading on non-public information when he sold his 600,000 shares in Internet search company Mamma.com - worth $7.9 million - and avoided a $750,000 loss.

    The SEC brought the civil lawsuit against Cuban in November 2008. A judge dismissed the suit in 2009 but an appeals court revived the case the following year.

    Cuban refused to settle the case and went to trial, even though he said on Wednesday that he had spent more on fees for lawyers than the possible fines for admitting to insider trading. He could have faced up to $2 million in fines, his lawyers said.

    "It's personal. You take all these years of my life, it's personal," Cuban said.

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  2. Was pretty much a tie on the Potomac. Pubs didn't get anything but may have been fortunate as OCare continues and will turn into a Waterloo for the dems, sooner or later.

    Rufus suffered a grievous and terminal defeat at Quirkloo recently, and has joined Whackadoodle on the Credibility Trash Heap of this blog's history.

    Quirkloo wasn't even a close fight, it was a slaughter and in a way one almost felt compassion for the defeated, debunked old coot.

    Fudd




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    1. Not that I'm trying to be "harsh" with Ruf, but one can be solicited for the unmentionable one too many times.

      Fudd

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    2. Mr. Fudd Sir:

      re:

      "Rufus suffered a grievous and terminal defeat at Quirkloo"

      Please send me a LinkyDink, please.

      ...I will remain forever Grateful.

      But of course, you already knew that...

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    3. please, please, please,

      ...I pray every nite for a terminal defeat.

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    4. I Dream of Returning to Blogging.

      ...w/o having to consume anti-nausea medicationS.

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    5. Blow yourself, you old fucking idiot.

      Obama Won Big.

      Any innumerate moron that believes the Saudis when they say that you can "Cut" the cost of fuel by removing an ingredient that costs $1.28 gal, and replacing it with one that costs $2.70 gal could not possibly win said confrontation.

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    6. My absence bears no testament wrt to the founding principles of The Elephant Bar.

      ...Only to the Complete Moral Turpitude and Abandonment of Principles by "Rufie II"

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    7. I can stomach only so much.

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    8. And I useta have an Iron Stomach.

      ...as well as many other attributes.

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    9. Of Youth.

      ...er, non senescence.

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    10. I Love Blogger Spellcheck!

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    11. Obamacare is Servitude, Dude.

      Suck My Cock!

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    12. Last comments of last thread, Doug-O. Over 300 comments, towards the very end.

      Fudd

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  3. "Any innumerate moron"

    Any American w/Common Sense Knows that Obamacare is a Disaster.

    ...as EVERY Poll Indicates.

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    1. This comment has been removed by the author.

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    2. Sorry,

      Too late to engage w/your obsession w/ethanol, Old Man.

      ...or should I say OLD Man.

      et tu,

      Brute tee hee.

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    3. The Obamacare rollout is a disaster, assuredly. It will take another year for even the Left to realize it's a disaster on fundamentals.

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  4. Pubs lost, with nothing to show for the sixteen day shutdown but the blame. No modification to the medical device tax or congressional Obamacare subsidies. And they've taught Obama the biggest tool in his shed is to let the GOP shut 'er all down and kick their own asses. Any piecemeal approach to reforming Obamacare only makes it better and locks it in harder. The way to get rid of it is to let the American people get it, precisely as written, good and hard, and let them stew over that until November 2014.

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    1. I wonder how You would feel about Obamacare if you didn't have the secure government job, with its wonderful, taxpayer-paid healthcare.

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    2. As it turns out, Rufus, sir, I'm in a health-care coop called Group Health (or Group Death by it's fans), which is sort of like a credit union. Doctors, nurses, technicians and patients are the only owners, not shareholders. And this is on my husband's policy through a major US corporation because our pay-in is substantially less than it would be if I put us both on the same plan but had Uncle Sam kick in. I have no complaints for the service, speaking as a survivor of Inflammatory Breast Cancer. They even pay for prosthetic tits and bras from Nordstroms with pockets to hold them in.

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    3. Yes, and, once again, it IS paid for with BEFORE TAX DOLLARS. In other words, The Taxpayer is kicking in.

      Just like They are "Kicking In" on your Mortgage.

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    4. You One Percenters and your privileges!

      Shame!

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    5. i.e. TR:

      You and welfare cheats, samo, samo.

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    6. Rufus IIThu Oct 17, 09:20:00 AM EDT
      I wonder how You would feel about Obamacare if you didn't have the secure government job, with its wonderful, taxpayer-paid healthcare.


      I dont have a secure government job, I pay $1475 a month for 4 people. It's excepted to go UP to $2200 in 24 months.

      Obamacare? SUCKS

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    7. Three key features characterize Israeli apartheid:
      • Four million Palestinians in the Occupied Territories lack the right to vote for the government that controls their lives through a military occupation. In addition to controlling the borders, air space, water, tax revenues, and other vital matters pertaining to the Occupied Territories, Israel alone issues the identity cards that determine the ability of Palestinians to work and their freedom of movement.
      • About 1.2 million Palestinian Israelis, who make up 20 percent, or one-fifth, of Israel’s population, have second-class citizenship within Israel, which defines itself as a Jewish state rather than a state for all its citizens. More than 20 provisions of Israel’s principal laws discriminate, either directly or indirectly, against non-Jews, according to Adalah: The Legal Center for Minority Rights in Israel.

      Millions of Palestinians remain refugees in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and elsewhere, unable to return to their former homes and land in present-day Israel, even though the right of return for refugees is enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

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    8. The DISPUTED territories have the right and have had the right to VOTE in the elections of their own government.

      It's called the PA and they went to the UN and declared statehood.

      "• About 1.2 million Palestinian Israelis, who make up 20 percent, or one-fifth, of Israel’s population, have second-class citizenship within Israel, which defines itself as a Jewish state rather than a state for all its citizens. More than 20 provisions of Israel’s principal laws discriminate, either directly or indirectly, against non-Jews, according to Adalah: The Legal Center for Minority Rights in Israel."

      LOL utter nonsense. Pure propaganda.

      "Millions of Palestinians remain refugees in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and elsewhere, unable to return to their former homes and land in present-day Israel, even though the right of return for refugees is enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights."

      They may go home to the west bank or gaza any time they choose.

      The fact that MORE jewish refugees were displaced or ethnically cleansed during the same time and circumstances reflectly highly on the arabs themselves lack of ability to settle the issue.

      Go to Ramallah, Go to Gaza!!! No one is stopping them or the Arabs that live inside Israel.

      Go!!!

      I will pack you a box lunch...

      Bye bye, dont let the doorknob hit ya where the lord split ya...

      Go to "palestine"

      ENJOY

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    9. Anyone can LEAVE Israel if they wish.

      There are no walls KEEPING people IN...

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  5. But,

    ...just a bit about Corn Ethanol:

    For the old fart that has yet to accept the FACT That he IS an OLD FART:

    (The Vast Majority in the USA TODAY)

    "Economic impact of corn ethanol

    Since most U.S. ethanol is produced from corn and the required electricity from many distilleries comes mainly from coal plants, there has been considerable debate on the sustainability of corn-based bio-ethanol in replacing fossil fuels. Controversy and concerns relate to the large amount of arable land required for crops and its impact on grain supply, direct and indirect land use change effects, as well as issues regarding its energy balance and carbon intensity considering the full life cycle of ethanol production, and also issues regarding water use and pollution due to the increase expansion of ethanol production.

    The use of ethanol for fuel has had a damaging impact on food markets, especially in poorer countries. In the United States, ethanol is mostly made from yellow corn, and as the market boomed for alternative fuel, yellow corn went up in price. Many farmers saw the potential to make more money, and switched from white corn to yellow corn. White corn is the main ingredient of tortillas in Mexico, and as the supply dropped, the price doubled, making the base of most Mexican foods unaffordable.[19] Many people[who?] see this as unacceptable, and want no overlap between food crops and fuel crops.[20][21] Others[who?] point out that the earth is thought to be able to support double the current human population, and press that the resources available, such as unused farmable land, should be better handled.[22]


    The Renewable Fuels Association confirm ethanol production does in fact increase the price of corn by increasing demand. It is cited as a positive economic effect for US farmers and tax payers, but does not elaborate on the effect for other populations where field corn is part of the staple diet. "FACT: By increasing the demand for corn, and thus raising corn prices, ethanol helps to lower federal farm program costs. In a January 2007 statement, the USDA Chief Economist stated that farm program payments were expected to be reduced by some $6 billion due to the higher value of a bushel of corn." [23]
    Corn production in 2009 reached over 13.2 billion bushels, and a per acre yield jumped to over 165 bushels per acre.[24]"

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    1. We've argued this out for years. No use fighting it again (good for you, because you would just end up all bloodied, one more time.) :)

      But, the topic, yesterday, was a silly argument that some big oil/Saudi funded thinktank put out that proffered the idiotic proposition that you could Lower gasoline prices by replacing a renewable ingredient that costs approx. $1.28 gal with one that is Non-renewable, and that costs $2.70 gal.

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    2. I said NOTHING about the Sauds.

      ...or their arguments.

      My comments stand by themselves.

      ...thus you distract.

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    3. Sounds like Rufus is learning from his mentor the Rat.

      Change and distort the argument at all costs.

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    4. "Israel’s apartheid isn’t just political, it’s ideology wrapped in history and religion"

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    5. Israel "apartheid" LOL

      Yep those true victims of South African or American "apartheid" would love to met you explain what foolishness you say.

      To compare Israel to South Africa? Should be a crime. After all what the SA went thru?

      In fact France is working on doing just that.

      You see the low information blogger, who knows NOTHING but the ability to cut and paste from websites is really just a cowardly troll.

      Most likely these folks lack self esteem and or any real knowledge.

      But once again, Israel? A grand Nation.

      Free and open to all that are it's citizens.

      whether that be arab, jew, christian, black, white, bhai or druze.

      That's why syrians are escaping INTO israel for medical treatment, that's why 10,000 moslems from africa escape INTO Israel...

      to get away from the true apartheid of the islamic world.

      over 100,000 men woman and kiddies butchered by both sides in Syria.

      Israel has nothing to do with it....

      Except some food aid and some doctors and medical staff...

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  6. Rufus IIThu Oct 17, 08:44:00 AM EDT
    Blow yourself, you old fucking idiot.



    So when I tell Deuce or Rat or Rufus to do the same the posts are censored.

    I guess Deuce's rules are not transparent, nor are the applied to all.

    It's apartheid here..

    Yep.

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    1. What is it about Geese and Ganders that you do not get?

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    2. ...oh, I forgot, you're a joo.

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    3. Yep us "2nd classers" must learn our place and not upset the people who, by their "good" graces allow us to be here in this nation and on this blog.

      Deuce & Rat reminds us that Jews are not "fully" American and our acceptance here is ONLy if we KNOW our place.

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    4. "You don’t have to make a life of Jewish identity deconstruction like Shlomo Sand to realize that Jewish history isn’t 4,000 years old.  
      The likelihood of Abraham being a historical figure is next to zero.  Abrahamic history is for the synagogue.

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    5. Well thank you Marc, then I guess the myth of the arabs is also bullshit...

      As well as all of christianity...

      Go ahead and take the historic claims of the arabs/islam away as well...

      after all that's all bullshit the too...

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  7. Palestinians in Syria Killed, Injured, Displaced
    Arabs, Human Rights Organizations, Media Yawn


    More than 55,000 Palestinians have been forced to flee Syria to Lebanon and Jordan over the past two years, according to figures released by the United Nations Work and Relief Agency [UNRWA].

    According to Palestinian sources, more than 2,000 Palestinians have been killed in Syria, most in recent months, by both the rebels and the Syrian army.


    WOW, over 2000! Palestinians KILLED and not one thread about that....

    I guess when moslems murder palestinians is more of a dog bites man story.

    But the real news? Thousands and thousands of Palestinians are having their lives TRASHED, not by the Joos, BUT BY THEIR BROTHERS.....

    Now that's entertainment....

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    1. What Virginia you say? Gaza is NOT hermetically sealed by Apartheid Israel? How can this BE!!! The Jews? they control EVERYTHING!!

      Egypt closes Gaza border after clashes in Sinai

      CAIRO (AP) — An Egyptian official says the country's border crossing with Gaza Strip in northern Sinai has been closed indefinitely, citing security concerns.

      The decision comes hours after suspected Islamic militants attacked four sites in northern Sinai, targeting two military checkpoints, a police station and el-Arish airport, where military aircraft are stationed.

      The military and security forces responded to the attacks. One soldier was killed and three were wounded.

      Gen. Sami el-Metwali said Rafah passage was shut down on Friday. He didn't say when it would be reopened. Some 200 Palestinians were turned back to the Gaza Strip after the order.


      What? THERE is a BORDER between EGYPT and GAZA???? How is that POSSIBLE SInce GAZA is fully part of Israel so says this blog!!!!

      Gaza is NOT a part of Israel????

      No...

      WOW...

      Egypt actually has a border with gaza?????? No kidding!!!!!

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    2. Oh NO!!! Egypt has KILLED 32 Palestinians in the Sinai!!!!

      "The Egyptian army has killed some 200 gunmen in Sinai, including 32 Hamas members, and arrested 45 others over the past several days, an Egyptian security source told London-based Arab daily Al-Hayat on Thursday.
      The unnamed official accused Hamas of intentionally escalating the security situation in Sinai following the ouster of president Mohammed Morsi. The official claimed that Egyptian military forces have observed Hamas activists operating in Sinai in cooperation with local jihadists.“The army is barely in control of the situation,” the official told the daily. “They enter Sinai through the tunnels to carry out attacks together with others and return to Gaza through the tunnels. Moreover, they exploit the terrain and hide in the mountains.”Hamas, for its part, tried to distance itself from the developments in Egypt, claiming it has adopted a policy of non-intervention following the overthrow of Morsi.
      “The intervention of Gazans in the Egyptian issue is nothing more than popular solidarity with the deposed president Mohammed Morsi, in whose time the situation improved on all levels,” read an article in Hamas news site Al-Resalah."


      How did those Palestinians get out of hermitically sealed gaza???? How is it possible!!!!!

      And the DEATHS!!!

      No arrests, no due process.....

      Just bullets to the brain!!!!

      The crime against HUMANITY!!!!!!

      Where is the outrage????

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    3. We need a flotilla to save the Palestinians from EGYPT!!!!!

      Prices for Beer, new Cars, IPODS and Hookers has skyrocketed.

      Egyptian forces have flooded smuggling tunnels under the border with the Palestinian-ruled Gaza Strip in a campaign to shut them down, Egyptian and Palestinian officials said.

      The network of tunnels is a vital cash cow for Hamas, bringing in an estimated 30 percent of all goods that reach the enclave and circumventing a blockade imposed by EGYPT for more than seven years.

      Reuters reporters saw one tunnel being used to bring in cement and gravel suddenly fill with water on Sunday, sending workers rushing for safety. Locals said two other tunnels were likewise flooded, with Egyptians deliberately pumping in water.

      "The Egyptians have opened the water to drown the tunnels," said Abu Ghassan, who supervises the work of 30 men at one tunnel some 200 meters (yards) from the border fence.

      Egypt has destroyed all the tunnels!!!

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    4. :) Nice roll, WiO!

      Fudd

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    5. Tunnel from Gaza into Israel

      A concrete-lined tunnel dug from the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip into Israel, over 600 TONS of concrete was used to make the tunnel which was located going up to a kindergarden school.

      This was behavior that Hamas PROMISED not to do again in the ceasefire agreement it agreed to after the last battle with Israel.

      In response to the discovery, the military said it had suspended the flow of building materials to the private sector in Gaza, a Palestinian coastal enclave.

      Maj. Gen. Sami Turgeman, Israel’s Southern Command chief, said the freeze was ordered because Hamas, the Islamic militant group that controls Gaza, had been using construction materials approved by Israel for civilian purposes to build tunnels like the one discovered recently.

      Officials said Israel would continue to allow the transfer of construction materials for projects overseen by international organizations.


      WHAT Israel is going to CONTINUE to allow materials to FLOW INTO GAZA????

      I thought Gaza was hermitically sealed??

      Military officials said the tunnel, discovered last week, was about a mile long and built at a depth of nearly 60 feet. They added that it had probably been constructed more than a year ago. It was the third such tunnel discovered this year, they said.

      The mouth of the tunnel is near Ein Hashlosha, an Israeli communal farm near the border with Gaza. In 2006, Hamas and other militant groups used a smuggling tunnel for a cross-border raid in which they killed two Israeli soldiers and seized a third, Gilad Shalit, who was whisked into Gaza and held captive for five years before being released in a prisoner exchange.


      It's the 3rd tunnel that the Israelis FOUND?

      Wow...

      In Apartheid South Africa those "africans" never spent MILLIONS to build concrete lined tunnels to kidnap and murder men women and babies...

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    6. APARTHEID AND OCCUPATION
      More than 5 million Palestinians are denied equal rights by the state of Israel under a system of apartheid, a deliberate policy of racial or ethnic segregation.

      Under Israeli military occupation, millions of Palestinians live in conditions which closely resemble the apartheid system that existed in South Africa:
      • No right of free speech, assembly or movement
      • Arrest and imprisonment without charge or trial
      • Torture
      • House searches without warrant
      • Assassination, extra-judicial murder
      • No right to vote for the Israeli government (even though it controls their lives)
      Israel controls all Palestinian borders, all imports and exports, and all movement between towns and cities. 
      THE GAZA STRIP, still surrounded, besieged and controlled by Israel, has been sealed off and effectively turned into the world’s largest open-air prison.

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    7. THE GAZA STRIP, still surrounded, besieged and controlled by Israel, has been sealed off and effectively turned into the world’s largest open-air prison.



      Guess you didnt get the new updated map?

      Gaza borders egypt...

      Now go back to school Rat and learn how to read...

      Now if your quote was correct?

      The Palestinians would be a defeated squirmy mass of people with no representative government, a seat in the UN and billions a year in funding.

      But alias your so called quote is nonsense.

      Just like you.

      Go take a trip to Israel!!!

      See the Temple Mount, See Jerusalem, See the sights.

      See millions of jews, arabs, blacks, whites, christians, moslems, druze, bhais, work live and play together.

      But you havent ever actually seen it for real have you Rat?

      Nope you are a cut and paster.

      A troll.

      Go and live Israel for 2 weeks I dare you.

      Oh that's right, you dont have the ability to travel int he USA because of the "passes" required and the checkpoints...

      That's right in America you must have proper ID to travel.

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    8. "When arguments are prolonged and well drawn out, men of mediocrity and of low intelligence are apt to be rude."

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  8. Rufus: Yes, and, once again, it IS paid for with BEFORE TAX DOLLARS. In other words, The Taxpayer is kicking in.

    I am always amused by the liberal trope that tax cuts have to be "paid for", which assumes a sacrosanct baseline of spending. Meanwhile they call their broker to check the balance of their Roth IRA.

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    1. You are, quite likely, Alive Today, because you had wonderful Medical Care, partially paid for by the U.S. Taxpayer.

      Yet, you rail against the very idea that some less fortunate than yourself might get the same break.

      Typical Republican

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    2. We all can have quality healthcare while providing same for illegals and scofflaws,

      honest.

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    3. In a "Fair World" my wife would have received quality healthcare.

      It isn't.

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    4. My Dad had Veteran's benefits and Medicare and a supplemental policy.

      I swear that the Doctors at the Vet Hospital over medicated him to the point of killing him...

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    5. “Today is a good day to die, for all the things in my life are present.”.

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    6. "We cannot banish dangers, but we can banish fears.
      We must not demean life by standing in awe of death."


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  9. Hey, TR:

    The hottest lesbian (audibly at least) I've ever encountered makes her appearance in Seattle at about minute 25 of Adam Carolla's Podcast.

    adamcarolla.com

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  10. I thought WiO said there were no such thing as Palestinians, chiefly because Arabic has no letter "P" or some dumbshit thing like that.

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    1. Just cause I dont believe there is any legitimate, national movement named "Palestinians" doesnt mean a group of thugs, sponsored by the Arabs, Russia and the Eu doesnt name themselves that.

      But thanks for pointing out that there is NO P in Arabic.

      As for it being "dumbs hit", come on, you're now just being a stupid broad.

      Look at a arabic alphabet chart MS linux gal..

      Supposedly if you are 1/2 as smart as you tell all of us you are? you could lay that dumbshit position of yours to rest...

      go on girl...

      tell me where I am wrong...

      or shut the fuck up...

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    2. Give me a break:

      You left out the lesbo bonus points.

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    3. I missed your "chiefly" word. Nope not chiefly either.

      The no "p" is PART of the reason the palestinian movement is a fraud.

      Pre-1965? The "palestinians" were commonly synonymous with the Jews of the middle east.

      The "palestinians" today? are arab thieves stealing another's history and identity.

      That's why it's important for any land that falls under the clutches of the Palestinians of today to erase any Jewish history of the land. From Joseph's Tomb? To mosaics, inscriptions and ruins the so called Palestinians must destroy or erase.

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    4. Doug she now claims NOT to like clams...

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    5. She's a stick and nuts gal now...

      I guess she reformed.

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    6. "stupid broad"

      is demeaning.

      And way too inclusive.

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    7. Clams have lips.

      ...what's not to like?

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    8. But doug you said:

      DougThu Oct 17, 09:02:00 AM EDT
      Sorry,

      Too late to engage w/your obsession w/ethanol, Old Man.

      ...or should I say OLD Man.


      Is that too inclusive as well?

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    9. Wouldn't that include Rufie and Me?

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    10. Now you've con-fussed me, and it's past my bedtime!

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    11. "stupid broad"

      Includes all broads.

      ...of which enlightened Lesbos are not a part of.

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    12. Now I've confused myself.

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    13. Doug, the derogatory term "old man" applies to me as well.

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    14. WHAT IS ISRAELI APARTHEID?
              Former U.S. president Jimmy Carter was the first prominent figure in this country to apply the term apartheid to Israel’s occupation of the Palestinian territories—East Jerusalem, Gaza, and the West Bank. Israel’s apartheid system, however, also affects Palestinian Arabs who make up 20 percent of the population within Israel itself. Apartheid is a central feature of the Zionist state that proclaims it is exclusively for Jews.

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    15. Zionist state that proclaims it is exclusively for Jews.

      Israel is a jewish state that openly calls for equality of all it's citizens. jews, christians, moslems, druze, b'hais and atheists.

      Its law states all signs and official government documents must be in Hebrew, Arabic and English.

      Former President Carter? LOL

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    16. "The method of collective punishment so far has proved effective".


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  11. The hot lesbo in Seattle was into "Mangria"

    ...not cultural warfare.

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  12. More NEWS from Apartheid Israel.


    Arab MK (member of the Israeli Congress/Knesset: Prevent Jews from ‘Contaminating’ Temple Mount
    MK Ahmed Tibi compares Jews to Crusaders and calls to keep them off the Temple Mount. ‘Al Aqsa for Muslims only.’


    Jews have no right to visit the Temple Mount, and should be prevented from “contaminating” the holy site, a Member of Knesset has argued.

    MK Ahmed Tibi (Ra’am Ta’al) spoke against allowing Jews to visit the Temple Mount, which is also the site of the Al-Aqsa mosque. The area is the holiest place on earth according to the Jewish religion.

    Tibi was particularly outraged by the possibility that police may restrict Muslim worshipers in order to allow Jews to visit the holy site during the holiday of Sukkot.

    Jews are still not allowed to pray at the holy site.

    The decision to let Jews visit during Sukkot is part of a gradual plan with the ultimate goal of sharing the holy site equally between Muslims and Jews, he warned, adding that Muslims must not accept such an arrangeement.

    “The Al-Aqsa mosque is a place of prayer for Muslims alone. Period! Not for others,” Tibi declared.

    “The police think defending the Al-Aqsa mosque is ‘disturbing the peace.’ We think it is sacrifice and defending the most holy places to us, which are under attack from the right and from Jewish extremists who want to take away our rights,” he continued.

    “We repeat: the occupation of Al-Aqsa by the Crusaders was long, but it ended, the same was true of the British Mandate, and the same will be true of the Israeli occupation of Al-Quds [Jerusalem] and Al-Aqsa,” he said.

    In a televised interview with Arab media, Tibi can be heard saying he is “confident” that the Israeli “occupation” of Jerusalem will end, “and our voice will rise up here at the Al-Aqsa mosque, and we won’t let these people [Jews] contaminate it.”

    In a separate interview, Tibi argued that attempts by MK Miri Regev (Likud) to gradually change the status quo on the Temple Mount to give Jewish worshipers more rights constitutes a “declaration of war.”

    Despite the Temple Mount's status as the holiest place in Judaism, the Waqf Islamic trust which administers the site insists on maintaining a strict ban on Jews from praying or conducting any forms of religious rituals there. Much to the outrage of Jewish groups, the Israeli police has strictly enforced the ban, in spite of numerous court orders insisting that Jewish rights on the site be upheld in the name of freedom of worship.

    Islamist groups and the Palestinian Authority regularly issue claims denying the Jewish connection to the Mount - as well as to Jerusalem as a whole -whilst simultaneously destroying ancient Jewish artifacts on the Temple Mount, in what many Israeli archaeologists have slammed as "archaeological vandalism"


    Sounds like Apartheid against Jews to me...


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    1. >While the apartheid system required the labour of black South Africans...
      ... Zionist settlement in Palestine viewed the local non-Jewish population very differently:

      ... as a group to be expelled rather than exploited. The reason why there is today, inside Israel's pre-1967 borders, a clear Jewish majority is because the majority of Palestinians who would have been citizens of the new state were ethnically cleansed, their villages destroyed, and their land expropriated.

      Though there are numerous examples of de facto segregation and institutionalised discrimination within pre-1967 Israel, the apartheid comparison really began to take hold as Israel expanded its colonisation and control of the Occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip.

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    2. Sounds like excluding contaminants to some.

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    3. You intruded on my reply, anon.

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    4. ... as a group to be expelled rather than exploited. The reason why there is today, inside Israel's pre-1967 borders, a clear Jewish majority is because the majority of Palestinians who would have been citizens of the new state were ethnically cleansed, their villages destroyed, and their land expropriated.



      there are MORE arabs as citizens in Israel today than existed from the river to the sea in 1948.

      ethnically cleansed my ass.

      Now it is true however the 850,000 Jews ethnically cleansed from the arab occupied middle east is nearly ZERO.

      SO 899/900th of the middle east is scrubbed clean of Jews.

      There is your apartheid system.

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    5. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist."

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    6. So?

      Do you KNOW the name of of the Indian villages that dotted the American lands? DO the Brits KNOW the name of all the Roman settlements?

      Do the ARABS KNOW or Care to KNOW the names of the Jewish towns and villages they now sit on?

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    7. But notice how Rat cannot stay on the topic, just creates a new issue rather than admit he's full of shit?

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  13. confussed = con-fussed,

    according to Blogger.

    confused = confused

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    1. Total BS is what it all is!

      I've been betrayed by Blogger Spellcheck!

      ...it's a Google Conspiracy, I tell you!

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    2. Just enter "con-fussed" into Google Search, you'll see!

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    3. Sorry:

      con-fussed includes:

      "1. A simultaneous feeling of confusion and fussiness"

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    4. Are we feeling Fussie yet?

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    5. So 'ere's "to" you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your 'ome in the Soudan;
      You're a pore benighted 'eathen but a first-class fightin' man;
      An' 'ere's "to" you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, with your 'ayrick 'ead of 'air --
      You big black boundin' beggar -- for you broke a British square!

      'E rushes at the smoke when we let drive,
      An', before we know, 'e's 'ackin' at our 'ead;
      'E's all 'ot sand an' ginger when alive,
      An' 'e's generally shammin' when 'e's dead.
      'E's a daisy, 'e's a ducky, 'e's a lamb!
      'E's a injia-rubber idiot on the spree,
      'E's the on'y thing that doesn't give a damn
      For a Regiment o' British Infantree!
      So 'ere's "to" you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, an' your friends which are no more,
      If we 'adn't lost some messmates we would 'elp you to deplore;
      But give an' take's the gospel, an' we'll call the bargain fair,
      For if you 'ave lost more than us, you crumpled up the square!

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  14. The first commander of the Warsaw ghetto was Józef Szeryński, a Polish-Jewish police colonel.


    The Polish-Jewish historian and the Warsaw Ghetto archivist Emanuel Ringelblum has described the cruelty of the ghetto police as ...
    "at times greater than that of the Germans, the Ukrainians and the Latvians."

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  15. “We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.”

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  16. Here it is Doug-O - Act 5, Final Scene - The Slaying of the Rufoid

    QuirkThu Oct 17, 02:49:00 AM EDT


    When we get a hundred posts spread over several pages my computer seems to go wacky. I've tried a couple times to post this but it keeps dropping off.

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    .

    You're a dumb hick, Rufus. I'm tired of your bluster and you four letter words. Nobody's impressed. Calling T a fool for putting up a simple quote on the mandate that you don't like makes you look like a flaming asshole.

    Answer my question.

    Why would any ordinary motorist give a flying fuck what the wholesale price of the gasoline is when they never see it. They are interested in price at the pump. And in trying to make your silly-ass points pump prices are all you normally throw up here albeit pump prices that are cherry picked all to hell. One can only assume you are throwing up wholesale prices now because you have nothing else. You haven't a clue as to what goes into the final price of a product, supply and demand, marginal costs, marginal profits, competition, etc. Go back to Clean Technica you silly little man.

    Your "counter-example" is a stupid, counter-common sense, piece of Saudi/Exxon dissimulation.

    You simple moron. It sounds like you were foaming at the mouth while writing that. I was using the same sources you use when you come here posting your cherry picked numbers, E85prices.com and EIA, the US government. Your perfectly willing to use those sources when it suits you but they suddenly become 'a piece of Saudi/Exxon dissimulation' when it doesn't.

    Some of the shit you post here is beyond believe. You're such a fanatic about ethanol you've lost your mind.

    If you think this is harsh, blow me.

    Harsh, good lord man I think you are an idiot. Why would I care if something you said was "harsh'. As for blowing you, even if I was inclined to, It would be too much trouble trying to find it you pansy. You couldn't get it up if your life depended on it you old coot.

    No, I used "Facts." Otherwise known as Numbers/Prices/those things we live by.

    You offered meaningless 'facts' that mean nothing to the average driver. You are one of the stupidest assholes I have ever seen. Well, I amend that to one of the stupidest assholes I have ever seen when it comes to ethanol. Well, one of the stupidest assholes I have ever seen when it comes to ethanol and race.

    'We could have 3,000 new ethanol refineries in a year, well it might take three years, thinking about it maybe five years, in 10 years...' (You dumb shit, you will never see 3,000 new refineries.) 'Ethanol is saving us $1.09 per gallon on the gas we buy.' (Do you even read the studies you cite? Even the government put a disclaimer on the study when they mentioned it.) 'Well, if a race car can use ethanol any car ought to be able to.' (I won't even comment on that one.) All the problems associated with getting ethanol up and running are caused by Big Oil. (Moron).

    "(and, actually, the average mpg loss with E85 is 20%. FYI"

    1. Let's see EIA (US Government)? Rufus? Gee, that's a hard one.

    2. Allowing that the mpg loss is only 20%, the price differential is 16.1%. So what's your point?

    IMO, the current mandate and the RINS distort the market and should be eliminated. If the government does modify the mandate even if it is only to add more flexibility it will still be a good thing.


    Fudd

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    1. "It would be too much trouble trying to find it you pansy. You couldn't get it up if your life depended on it you old coot."

      ...that pretty much sums it up.

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    2. "To know what people really think, pay regard to what they do, rather than what they say."


      This Farmer Fudd, he is a Wahhabi Muslim

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    3. An Islamist by any other name, smells like an Israeli


      Fudd

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  17. How is the notion of apartheid relevant to this reality?
    The Israeli regime is based on an ethnic-religious distinction between Jewish insiders and Palestinian outsiders.

    It expands citizenship beyond its territory, potentially to all Jews regardless of their links to the country, and contracts citizenship within it:
    Palestinians in the occupied territories and refugees outside have no citizenship and cannot become Israeli citizens.

    The regime combines different modes of rule:
    civilian authority with democratic institutions within the Green Line (the pre-1967 boundaries), and military authority beyond it.

    In times of crisis, the military mode of rule spills over the line to apply to Palestinian citizens in Israel.

    At all times, the civilian mode of rule spills over the line to apply to Jewish settlers.

    The distinction between the two sides of the line is constantly eroding as a result, and norms and practices developed under the occupation filter back into Israel.

    Israel as a "Jewish democratic state" is "democratic" for Jews and "Jewish" for Arabs.


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  18. In an especially perceptive passage, the authors write:

    “Israel’s version of apartheid is more sophisticated than the South African version. South African apartheid was rudimentary, petty, primitive — literally black and white, clear separation, no rights.

    Israel’s apartheid is more hidden with the deceptive image of ‘democracy.’
    Palestinian citizens of Israel have the right to vote. However, in every other area they are discriminated against by law and policy.”

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    1. LOL

      The Arabs of Israel hare equal citizens.

      There is no more apartheid in Israel as there is in America.

      So maybe you need to work on America 1st.

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    2. The discussion is not about America
      It is about Apartheid in Israel

      That my people would seek moral equivalency with Gentiles ...

      Shameful

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    3. Gaza is part of Israel, the Arabs there are not equal to Jews.

      No Arab anywhere is equal to a Jew

      You must be on of those Ashkenazi pretenders!

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    4. JacobThu Oct 17, 12:13:00 PM EDT
      Gaza is part of Israel, the Arabs there are not equal to Jews.
      No Arab anywhere is equal to a Jew
      You must be on of those Ashkenazi pretenders!


      2 points.

      1 there are no Jews in gaza.

      But you are correct, Hamas has determined that ONE Jew is worth about 1200 Arabs.

      This is what they demand for the release of one kidnapped Jew.

      Notice how the Arabs demand thousands and thousands of Arabs released for the release of single Jew DEAD or alive?

      So go ask your pals WHY?

      The Jews would be happy to trade one prisoner for one.

      But the ARABS value Jews at 1200 to 1.

      Sorry.

      Try again Rat.

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    5. AbrahamThu Oct 17, 11:21:00 AM EDT
      The discussion is not about America
      It is about Apartheid in Israel


      But Rat there is NO apartheid IN Israel. Arabs and Jews, equal in the eyes of the law. They both own land, they both have freedom of travel and expression and they both serve in the government.

      Why lie?

      Is your position so weak that lying is your only option?

      Rat you are a perfect example of the low information anti-semite blogger. You do your tribe proud.

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  19. Israeli historians like Ilan Pappe are seen primarily as insurgents because they address Palestinian displacement in the formation of Israel. 

    They’re also progenitors of a more accurate and inclusive history of the state of Israel.
    When communicating Israel’s civil religion, Palestinians have to be included in all phases of Israel’s national life. 
    This includes the historical Nakba and the ongoing Nakba as well.

    Like the new Israeli historians, Jews of Conscience expand our understanding of Jewish history. 
    They redefine what can and cannot be said about Israel.  They also redefine what can and cannot be said about Jewish history.

    One day a Prime Minister of Israel will communicate that expanded view at the United Nations. 
    Then Israel will be quite different.  Its future will have taken on a different trajectory.

    Netanyahu is a relic in real time. 
    He’s a throwback without a place to stand in the future of the state of Israel – if there is to be a future for Israel.
      With time, Netanyahu’s standing in Jewish history will be diminished to the point of disappearing ....
    .... if there is a Jewish histiory worth bequeathing to our children..

    We are living in the most scandalous time in Jewish history.



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    1. More jews, were displaced by the arabs from 1948-1967.

      899/900th of the arab world is jew free.

      there are more arabs inside israel today than existed from the river to the sea in 1948 and they are citizens.

      Palestine has an observer seat at the UN.

      Any arab that wants to move there can.

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    2. The discussion i not about the "Arabs".
      It is about Apartheid in Israel

      Everyone know the Arabs are shit.
      To discover my people are now justifying themselves, comparing themselves to Arabs ...

      Shameful

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  20. Israel, that secular and socialist state that was built upon ...
    ... the Three Pillars of Apartheid

    The first pillar “derives from Israeli laws and policies that establish Jewish identity for purposes of law and afford a preferential legal status and material benefits to Jews over non-Jews.”

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    1. The second pillar is reflected in
      “Israel’s ‘grand’ policy to fragment the OPT [and] ...
      ... ensure that Palestinians remain confined to the reserves designated for them ...
      ... while Israeli Jews are prohibited from entering those reserves but enjoy freedom of movement...
      ... throughout the rest of the Palestinian territory.

      This policy is evidenced by Israel’s extensive appropriation of Palestinian land,
      which continues to shrink the territorial space available to Palestinians;
      the hermetic closure and isolation of the Gaza Strip from the rest of the OPT;
      the deliberate severing of East Jerusalem from the rest of the West Bank;

      and the appropriation and construction policies serving to carve up the West Bank ...
      ... into an intricate and well-serviced network of connected settlements for Jewish-Israelis ...
      ... and an archipelago of besieged and non-contiguous enclaves for Palestinians.”


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    2. The third pillar is
      “Israel’s invocation of ‘security’ to validate sweeping restrictions on Palestinian freedom of ...
      ... opinion, expression, assembly, association and movement [to] mask a true underlying intent ...
      ... to suppress dissent to its system of domination and thereby maintain control over Palestinians as a group.”

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    3. Only I possess The Pillar of Damocles!

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    4. “Would 'sorry' have made any difference?
      Does it ever? It's just a word.

      One word against a thousand actions.”

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  21. Colonoscopy Time!

    I see the place is being ransacked by two or three new nitwits anyway.....

    Later,

    Fudd

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    1. What is it about DR aliases that you do not git, nitwit?

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  22. "899/900th of the arab world is jew free."

    Who else but the Arab-Muzzie brotherhood could bring about this Nirvana?

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    1. The Jewish people did it themselves.

      We quit seeking converts, after we absorbed the Ashkenazi.
      Those converts have since taken over the Nation.

      There is no longer a pure bloodline, we have been corrupted by the Europeans.
      Now our people seek justification of their actions, by claiming equivalency with Arabs and Gentiles!

      It is just shameful what has been done.
      Little wonder our people have been abandoned, forsaken.
      We have lost our way in the modern wilderness.

      With a Judaic pretender, an Ashkenazi in the lead.
      Herod better served our people than this current secularist.

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    2. Deuce you enjoying this constant stream of shit from your pal rat?

      Now Israel is shit, the Jewish people are frauds.

      Are you proud??

      Would the people of America who fought this type of anti-semitism be proud?

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  23. .

    Rat, your latest fixation on apartheid doesn't seem to be going over too well this morning. Rather than putting it in a separate post you have intruded it onto discussions of Obamacare, Ethanol, and Doug's con-cussed yet entertaining discussion of his pathologies and fascination with lesbians.

    You don't seem to get it. No one cares.

    One assumes you repeatedly put them up for their irritation value.

    However, if you can't keep yourself from interrupting most conversations, for heaven's sake, at least, don't interrupt Doug when he is on a roll.

    .

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    1. Quot broke in with his Israel/Palestine screed at 09:42.

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    2. What was he wrote, just yesterday ...
      that all it takes to fight fascism...
      .... a rat with resolve

      He is threatening me, again!

      Fudd

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    3. I shit myself, yesterday.

      It just flowed out my ass, ran down my leg.
      I was sitting in the kitchen

      Smelled just putrid
      Had to go outside and wash my ass off with the hose.

      Never trust a fart

      Fudd

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    4. .

      Perhaps, you failed to notice WiO's 'screed' was a stand alone.

      At 10:30, rat jumped into the middle of a post stream on Obamacare. An attempt at disrupting the flow of the discussion or just a pitiful cry for attention?

      Besides the most pitiful case was disrupting Doug's troubled thoughts when he was on a roll. I consider Doug's mad ramblings the words of a seer. He is the oracle of the EB, mad to be sure but his rumblings no doubt carry the words of the gods if only we can interpret them.

      .

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    5. "Stand alone?" You better look again.

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    6. The shit pooled under my chair.
      Got all over my slippers.

      I was slow standing up, the cramps were just awful.

      Fudd

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    7. Cats are not as handy to have around, as dogs.

      Dogs will eat shit, they would have cleaned the kitchen floor.
      Cats just piss on my slippers

      Fudd

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  24. And, I will ask one more time; How in the holy hell do you propose that gasoline would be cheaper at the pump if $1.28 gal Ethanol is replaced by $2.70 gal gasoline?

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    1. come on, Quirk; tell us; why Is it that you believe that replacing a renewable fuel that costs $1.28 gal with a non-renewable fuel that costs $2.70 gallon will bring down the cost of gasoline at the pump?

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    2. And, while you're at it, brainiac, include a few words about how it's better to use a non-renewable fuel made from Imported Oil than a much cheaper Renewable fuel produced in the United States.

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    3. .

      Well, gee, Rufus, as I recall the numbers you are referring to are wholesale numbers. Am I wrong.

      .

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    4. Well, gee, Quirk, what exactly do you think IS the major cost component of Retail gasoline?

      HINT: Retail gasoline - $3.36

      Wholesale gasoline - $2.70

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    5. .

      Well, gee, Rufus tell me why the same wouldn't apply to ethanol blends that we actually pay for at the pump.

      Hint: Retail E85 - $2.84

      Wholesale ethanol - $1.28

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    6. Easy, due to a lack of competition, the oil companies are "marking up" the price of E85 drastically.

      There are areas where the price of E85 can vary by up to One Dollar per Gallon.

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    7. .

      Big Oil. Your answer for everything.

      The only thing causing lack of competition is the mandate and the RINS.

      .

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    8. .

      .

      Why would you suddenly switch to wholesale prices, one element in the pricing chain, instead of quoting individual prices at the pump, something you have been doing for years, if not to confuse the issue. That is unless you are hopefully confused yourself.

      .

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    9. BUT, that still doesn't answer the basic question.

      Why, in the name of the good lord, would you expect the price of gasoline to FALL as a result of replacing a home-grown, renewable fuel that costs $1.28 gal with a non-renewable fuel, sourced from foreign oil, that costs $2.70 gal?

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    10. Quirk, you cannot be that fucking stupid.

      Delete

    11. “The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also.”

      Delete
    12. .

      The comment from T's post was speculation specific to the mandate. The mandate currently has no flexibility in it to address lower demand. The EPA is looking at addressing concerns associated with weak demand, the 'blend wall' and the price increase in RINS ( a penny in December and a $1.00 in March) which some think is due to speculation.

      If the EPA addresses the 'blend wall'/RIN issue it is conceivable that prices could come down. How much is speculative; however, it certainly didn't deserve your arrogant response to T for posting a simple quote.

      You poor, ignorant fucking fool...

      That, more than anything is what prompted my response.

      .

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    13. First off, there IS flexibility in the mandate. They adjust it EVERY YEAR.

      Second, I don't Care what prompted your stupid response. The premise that it would lower retail prices by greatly Increasing wholesale prices is Idiotic. I don't suffer fools gladly, and certainly not in circumstances where I'm not forced.

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    14. .

      The yearly adjustments are mandated and they rise every year even in the face of lower demand. I wouldn't call that flexible.

      Here is the quote from T.

      According to David Lutz of Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, consumers are going to get a big boost to their wallets before the end of the year — and the source could surprise you. According to Lutz, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is about to make some long-overdue adjustments to the federal ethanol mandate that's been acting as a stealth tax on American drivers for years. The result could push the national average price for a gallon of gas lower than anything we've seen since the depths of the Great Recession.

      There is no talk about raising wholesale prices. The EPA is talking about looking at the 'blend wall' and the need for RINS. The mandate and RINS are independent of any actual costs needed to generate the wholesale price. They are artificial mechanisms that distort the market by forcing the production of a certain quantity of ethanol regardless of if there is any demand for it. The refiners buy RINS because they don't have enough demand for the ethanol they are forced to take. If the price of RINS rise, it affects the retail price of the gas we buy.

      I don't suffer fools gladly, and certainly not in circumstances where I'm not forced.

      I assume you don't have any mirrors in you house.

      .

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    15. Goddamn, Quirk, you CAN'T be that dumb. Ethanol Costs a Lot Less Than Gasoline. How in the hell can using more of a less expensive product cause prices to Rise?

      Or, conversely, how can using More of a More Expensive Product cause prices to Fall?

      The API (owned by Saudi Arabia) is putting out this nonsense to try to stave off E15.

      Companies like Kum and Go, and Speedway are getting rich selling E85 at a good profit, and, in turn, selling the RINS (Renewable Identification Numbers) to those that have spent all their energy fighting against the law.

      Stations that have installed blender pumps, and sell E15 plus higher blends are reporting that ethanol comprises up to 28% of their total sales. THAT is what is scaring the holy bejeesus out of the oil companies.

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    16. As an example of the "flexibility" of the RFA: It was assumed that we would be producing much more "cellulosic" ethanol by now than we are. As a result, the EPA has adjusted downward the amount of cellulosic ethanol, mandated, every year, now, for the last three or four.

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    17. .

      So sayeth Clean Technica

      All beside the point of the discussion which is on the mandate and the RINS.

      Up to this point, the government has mandated that a certain percentage of ethanol be used. The total amount mandated is independent of how much gasoline is needed. If it ends up being 10%, 20%, 30% due to differing gasoline usage, it doesn't matter. The mandated amount has to be used. Or the refiners can buy RINS. If they can't use all the ethanol that's demanded the refiners can buy it and store it or they can purchase RINS. If the RINS price goes up, its likely the retail price of gasoline goes up. The costs will be passed through.

      Now, you can blame it on Big Oil all you want but try looking at reality. Unless the US wants to nationalize the oil companies, the price at the pump is what it is and nationally there is currently a premium to buying higher ethanol blends.

      Now, if you want to argue buying ethanol for national security reasons, or for economic reasons, or for environmental reasons, or any other argument you want to throw out there, do so, and we can argue about that. But don't argue that it saves us money at the pump. As of right now, you have lost that argument.

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    18. .

      As for flexible on celluloscic,

      Cellulosic, which has been slow to get off the ground, is seen by the renewable fuels industry as its next source of growth. Last year, the EPA said 8.7 million gallons of the cellulosic fuel must be blended into gasoline, but the ethanol industry produced a small fraction of that total — about 20,000 gallons. The nascent industry has seen growth, with a few smaller plants now online and facilities in Emmetsburg and Nevada, Ia., scheduled to start producing fuel in 2014.

      http://community.agriculture.com/t5/Farm-Business/EPA-may-relax-the-ethanol-mandate-in-2014/m-p/370476

      Even the EPA couldn't ignore the numbers forever or the reality of forcing refiners to buy something that doesn't exist.

      .

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    19. No, dumbo, you're only looking at One side of the argument. Companies like Kum and Go, that sell a lot of ethanol (and, thus, have RINS to sell) can sell their gasoline a lot cheaper (which they do.) Speedway is another company that has been adopting this strategy.

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    20. .

      When their sales reach a level to impact the national average price at the pump and shift the spread get back to me.

      .

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    21. Let's try something different.

      What part of this sentence:

      "Cheaper is cheaper."

      do you seem to be having the most trouble with?

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    22. .

      What part of cheaper is cheaper to you fail to understand?

      Pump prices (national average) from E85prices.com

      Price of Gasoline $3.41

      Price of E85 $2.84

      Price spread 16.6%

      Energy adjustment 28.0%
      (quoted by EIA)

      Energy adjustment 20.0%
      (Rufus: pulled from ass
      er, I mean seat of pants estimate)

      Under either scenario gasoline is cheaper than the higher ethanol blend when the energy deficit of ethanol is factored in.

      .

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    23. That is pure misdirection, Quirk.

      At what price an oil company chooses to offer E85 in a market characterized by limited supply, and vigorous demand, has absolutely Nothing to do with the subject at hand.

      The subject is: will less ethanol blended cause the price of ordinary pump gas to increase or decrease?

      Now, your contention seems to be that replacing a fuel that costs $1.60 (we'll leave the RINS market out, for awhile) with a fuel that costs $2.70 will cause the price of the finished product to Go Down. Is that right?

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    24. And, btw, that 20% is not "pulled from the ass." That number is from my own car.

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    25. As for E85: If a station 5 miles north of you sells E85 for $3.20 and a station 5 miles south sells the same fuel for $2.20 you can say the "average" price is $2.70 gal.

      However, I would say the cost of E85 is $2.20 (because there's no way in the world I would buy from the northern station.)

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    26. .

      That is pure misdirection, Quirk.

      Nonsense. When is the last time you purchased a barrel of pure ethanol at the wholesale price of $1.28.

      Sometimes you can be very frustrating. At other times, I just sit back, shake my head and smile.

      :)

      .

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    27. .

      Now, your contention seems to be that replacing a fuel that costs $1.60 (we'll leave the RINS market out, for awhile) with a fuel that costs $2.70 will cause the price of the finished product to Go Down. Is that right?

      Your reading comprehension seems to be going down with your ethanol use. What we are talking about is RINS, the governments way of punishing refiners for using a product for which they have no demand.

      One moment you indicate the reason that ethanol blends are high is because the refiners price it that way then you try to make the case that these same profiteering refiners wouldn't bother to pass through the extra escalating cost of the RINS they are forced to buy. Inconsistent at the very least.

      .

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    28. .

      And, btw, that 20% is not "pulled from the ass." That number is from my own car.

      Dammit, foiled again Ethanol Man and the Rufusmobile.

      I don't know why the EPA goes through their testing protocol when they could simply call on Ethanol Man and get the full test regime for a case of Bud and a couple bottles of white lightning.

      :)

      .

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    29. .

      As for E85: If a station 5 miles north of you sells E85 for $3.20 and a station 5 miles south sells the same fuel for $2.20 you can say the "average" price is $2.70 gal.

      However, I would say the cost of E85 is $2.20 (because there's no way in the world I would buy from the northern station.)


      This is where you get into trouble. Weird ass assumptions divorced from reality.

      We've been through this before. Not only can't my car use E85 but when you gave your cherry-picked numbers from MI off the same website I used, I mentioned to you that the station you cited was 85 miles from me according to MapQuest, 170 miles round trip, half a tank of gas, not very cost conscious a plan.

      As I said above, when the average national price differential covers the spread we can talk again about price. If people are losing business or going broke because their prices are too high, the prices will come down. That's the way it works.

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  25. The Church is finally going after these hypocrites on the Left.

    House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has no Catholic right to be granted Communion, said the leading cardinal of the highest court at the Vatican. Mrs. Pelosi should be denied Communion until she changes her advocacy views on abortion, Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke said, in an interview with The Wanderer reported by the Western Center for Journalism. That’s canon law, not opinion, he said. Canon 915 states that Catholics who are stubbornly contrary “in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion.” And Cardinal Burke said Mrs. Pelosi fits the definition.

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    1. San Francisco Voters to Cardinal Burke:

      Blow Me.

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  26. While my doctor was preparing me for the examination he said,
    "Don't worry, at this stage of the procedure it's quite normal to get an erection"

    Did I ever, first one in over a year!

    Does that mean I'm gay?

    Fudd

    Fudd

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    1. Look at that!

      I cummed twice!

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    2. .

      Does that mean I'm gay?


      :)

      I would say so. Or at least bi. I assume the doctor's comment came after the erection.

      I've never had that reaction. What did the doctor do to 'prepare' you for the examination and where can I get an appointment?

      .

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    3. I've had a couple of colonoscopies, and I'll guarantee you the thought of having that thing stuck up my ass . . . . . . . . . . well, let's just say the thought of an erection absolutely never crossed my mind.

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  27. Remember when Farmer Fudd was singing praises for India?
    Wanted India to be a member of NATO ...

    Revealed: India is home to nearly half of world's 30 million modern-day slaves

    euronews -

    There are close to 30 million slaves worldwide with India home to nearly half, a new report has claimed.
    The Global Slavery Index 2013, ...
    estimates there are 13.9 million people living as slaves in India.


    I am neither fascist nor farmer
    I reject Fudd, he is just another part of Rat's hegemony of characters!

    I refuse to be played like a sap!

    Fudd

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  28. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;
    behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

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    1. ... at their peak in 1931, Ashkenazi Jews accounted for 92 percent of the world's Jews.
      Figures vary for the contemporary statistics.
      Some sources place Ashkenazi as making up approximately 83-85 percent of Jews worldwide


      More than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe

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    2. .

      The rat is no more. He has merged with the computer, Tron-like, morphed into google-rat, all individual persona lost, now merely a cypher lost in the matrix, autotomatically spewing the detritus of other minds in an endless and annoying stream through cyberspace to infinity and beyond.

      .

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    3. . . . .only a few lineages originating in the Near East . . . .

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    4. * RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”

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    5. res·pite (rspt)
      n.
      1. A usually short interval of rest or relief. See Synonyms at pause.

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    6. One character's respite ...
      Another character's ...

      ... spewing the detritus of other minds in an endless and annoying stream through cyberspace to infinity and beyond.

      To infinity and Beyond!

      Quirkster is quoting Buzz Lightyear!

      Fudd

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    7. .

      Quirkster is quoting Buzz Lightyear!

      Nonsense, I first voiced the phrase back in '64 while enjoying some especially good weed.

      .

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    8. You still seem to confuse desert rat, the character, with his anonymous author, Q.

      All that authenticates the authorship of 'desert rat' is the Google sign-on.
      As Quirk is authenticated in the same process. You remain, as do most others, anonymous.

      There are those amongst the contributors that are not anonymous, Those that have chosen to reveal their true identities.
      The motives of those that "outed" themselves, remain their own. Others may surmise what they will.
      Pride, greed, narcissism ....

      It's All Out There ....
      . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Infinity and Beyond!



      Of course a narcissistic author would never post anonymously.
      No worries ...

      [-)

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    9. .

      Nonsense, rat. I confuse nothing.

      If you want to admit to a multiple personality disorder go for it.

      The confusion seems to be yours. All I commented on was the construct rat and that he has morphed into the creature google-rat, an annoying piece of work.

      .

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    10. You have misinterpreted the work...

      Perhaps it is to avant-garde ...
      ... or old school.

      The "construction" is that when the "rat" is posting, then the sign-on is invoked.
      When the sign-on is not on the post, desert rat did not post it.

      Some anonymous contributor did those deeds.
      Could even have been Fudd, the fascist farmer.


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    11. When Fudd moves on, dies like boobie or gets married like Gag Reflex ...
      .... what character will I have to concoct to replace him?

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    12. .

      Don't try to bullshit a bullshitter rat.

      If you can convince yourself with your ranting, go for it.

      No one else takes them seriously, it is merely the constant repetition that irritates.

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  29. What moves those of genius, what inspires their work is not new ideas, ...
    but their obsession with the idea that what has already been said is still not enough.





     

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  30. WiO: ...shut the fuck up...

    Dennis Prager says there are three ways by which a man may be judged, according to an old Hebrew tradition. By his cup (how he controls himself in what he eats and drinks), by his pocket (how he handles his money), and by his anger.

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    1. I aint angry.

      I just call a skunk a skunk, an anti-semite an anti-semite and a liar a liar.

      Now if you are so intuned to Dennis Prager go listen to his talk about anti-semites and the false charges BY ANTI-SEMITES To try to delegitimize the State of Israel.

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  31. WiO: The Arabs of Israel hare equal citizens. There is no more apartheid in Israel as there is in America.

    Sure. No apartheid.

    Wikipedia:

    The Koenig Memorandum (also known as The Koenig Report) was a confidential and internal Israeli government document authored in April 1976 by Yisrael Koenig, a member of the Alignment (then the ruling party), who served as the Northern District Commissioner of the Ministry of the Interior for 26 years. The document put forward a number of strategic goals and tactical steps aimed at reducing the number and influence of Arab citizens of Israel in the Galilee region. Outlining what he viewed as "objective thought that ensures the long-term Jewish national interests," Koenig stressed the need to "examine the possibility of diluting existing Arab population concentrations".

    (The Solution wasn't Final. Apparently there weren't enough cattle cars).

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    1. You see why you are an asshole?

      "(The Solution wasn't Final. Apparently there weren't enough cattle cars).

      You imply the want of genocide by Israel/Jews.

      This is why we dont take you seriously.

      Do you seriously think Israel/Jews want to GENOCIDE the arabs with cattle cars?

      Really?

      Why be a firebomb thrower? Why be a liar? Why be a force for EVIL?

      Why not tell the truth?

      Or are you the anti-semetic troll that I think you are?

      If so?

      Go fuck yourself, if not? Prove me wrong and develop a conscious and or a soul and stop trying to incite hatred with lies.

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    2. Nothing about that report is Apartheid.

      Not a dam thing.

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    3. ... the Three Pillars of Apartheid

      The first pillar “derives from Israeli laws and policies that establish Jewish identity for purposes of law and afford a preferential legal status and material benefits to Jews over non-Jews.”

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    4. The second pillar is reflected in“Israel’s ‘grand’ policy to fragment the OPT [and] ...
      ... ensure that Palestinians remain confined to the reserves designated for them ...
      ... while Israeli Jews are prohibited from entering those reserves but enjoy freedom of movement...
      ... throughout the rest of the Palestinian territory.

      This policy is evidenced by Israel’s extensive appropriation of Palestinian land,
      which continues to shrink the territorial space available to Palestinians;
      the hermetic closure and isolation of the Gaza Strip from the rest of the OPT;
      the deliberate severing of East Jerusalem from the rest of the West Bank;

      and the appropriation and construction policies serving to carve up the West Bank ...
      ... into an intricate and well-serviced network of connected settlements for Jewish-Israelis ...
      ... and an archipelago of besieged and non-contiguous enclaves for Palestinians.”

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    5. The third pillar is
      “Israel’s invocation of ‘security’ to validate sweeping restrictions on Palestinian freedom of ...
      ... opinion, expression, assembly, association and movement [to] mask a true underlying intent ...
      ... to suppress dissent to its system of domination and thereby maintain control over Palestinians as a group.”

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    6. Israel, that secular and socialist state that was built upon ...
      ... the Three Pillars of Apartheid

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  32. As to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, there is an additional factor.
    The so-called “Palestinian autonomous areas” are Bantustans.
    These are restricted entities within the power structure of the Israeli Apartheid system.


    http://www.keghart.com/Mandela-Palestine

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  33. I am back from my colonoscopy, a stirring success. No problem at all.

    And Fudd between here -

    AnonymousThu Oct 17, 11:03:00 AM EDT
    Colonoscopy Time!

    I see the place is being ransacked by two or three new nitwits anyway.....

    Later,

    Fudd

    and now is not the authentic Fudd.

    That proponol (sp?) is wonderful stuff. Could get hooked on that. Prep nurse wants one of my wolf print photos, am sending her one.

    I noticed reading down that someone, I think Quirk, was saying to Whackadoodle, no one pays any attention to you anymore. That is true. He should take the advice and just knock it off.

    Better yet, just leave.

    It is boring.

    Authentic Fudd

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    1. Also asked the surgeon about a new scope procedure I had read about, non invasive, using radioactive liquid. He said it was a failure, too many false positives, and with a real positive you got to go in anyway, and the insurance companies don't want to pay for it, because of all the false positives, which were over 50%..

      So, there you have it. The Night of the Laxatives is the worst part.

      Authentic Fudd

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  34. Folks, when you think of Whackadoodle just recall this quote:

    desert ratWed Oct 16, 04:26:00 AM EDT
    No doubt of that, anonymous

    Never a bit of doubt.

    I've been a professional asshole, have always done it pretty well.

    It is a skill.

    ......

    Which I have redacted slightly to remove the unwarranted slam at Veterans.

    In addition to some other self admitted things he is now a self admitted asshole.

    Authentic Fudd is now out, going to nap time

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