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Monday, October 21, 2013

The bullshit of counterinsurgency and the idea that the US can take sides in a civil war and accomplish anything: What could possibly go wrong?


  1. Economic problems are hampering Pakistani efforts to acquire needed counterinsurgency vehicles, but domestic and international options offer some hope, officials said.


    Brian Cloughley, former Australian defense attaché to Islamabad, said, “the major problem, as always, is cash.”


    “The Army didn’t want the surplus US vehicles from Afghanistan, not just because they want to cut reliance on US equipment wherever possible, but because of operating costs and complexity,” Cloughley said.

    1. .

      The equipment they have supplied in Afghanistan will soon be worthless and inoperable because they didn't supply spare parts for the equipment.

      The Afghans are already complaining.


  2. Counter-insurgency can work. We always quit too soon.

    If we don't want to stay for perhaps a generation, use the B-52s on population centers, make them behave like the Japanese after the A-bombs, but don't just muck around.

    Nice to know professional dissent is still allowed in the military.

    1. .

      Good lord, Anonymous is still fighting the Vietnam war.

      Pull out too soon?

      What did you have in mind 20 years? Thirty?


    2. Hey, dumbshit Fudd.
      you can't bomb Afghanistan, successfully.
      It did not work in Vietnam. Even when they went after the "High Impact" inductrial targets, which here was one of.
      The POL distribution center.

      Read about yourself, dumbshit ..

      Bombing As a Policy Tool In Vietnam: Effectiveness
      Prepared for the Use of the
      Committee on Foreign Relations
      United States Senate
      Study No. 5
      October 12, 1972

      Available through the Navy Department Library


      I'd paste in some of the conclusions, again, but you probably can't read, let alone comprehend.

    3. 52,000 civilians killed in North Vietnam
      No effect on the War in the South

      The study does not address Close Air Support ...
      Only Strategic and Supply Interdiction missions.

      Bombs away failed, for reasons you may not comprehend, but failure was not due to intensity of the bombing, but the nonindustrial nature of the target country.

      Vietnam, was more "industrial" than Afghanistan is.

      Dumbshit, read before you write, then we will only think you are stupid, we will not "know" it.

    4. I can still see the headlines in the “Star and Stripes”: “Johnson To Send 50,000 More”.

      In each and every one of the 50,000 called up, one that never was one of the 50,000, thinks we quit too soon.

  3. the B-52s on population centers

    A little carpet bombing of Hanoi made them immediately stop for awhile. Shoulda rinsed and repeated when the need arose.

    You don't know shit.

    1. Go read the report.

      Your ignorance is legion.

    2. Farmer Fudd, never lets a fact influence an opinion

    3. What "population" centers are you going to bomb in Afghanistan?
      What population centers are there in Pashtunistan?

      None. Fuckers live it dispersed villages, mud huts that do not present a viable military target.
      It is not a tactical or strategic option.
      The US is leaving, no escalating the war.

    4. I was there during Rolling Thunder. It didn't slow Charlie down one iota. There was no way in hell that you would have known it was happening unless you talked to an Airedale.

  4. You don't know shit, kiddo.


    1. Malaya, classic relocation program.

      The British dd not have B52s.
      The British relocated the population, put them into "Camps".
      They drained the swamp, so that the revolutionary fish could not swim amongst the people.
      A little Maoist tactic, you probably don't know.

    2. The US tried it in Vietnam.
      That was when we were burning villages, to save them.

      It dd not work, in 'Nam.
      The US did not control the local government.
      Unlike the British, in Mayalasia
      The US will not have control of the government in Afghanistan.

    3. Google "Strategic Villages Vietnam".

      Learn something.

    4. If that comes up short, try "Strategic Hamlets Vietnam"
      Capitalization not required.

    5. Relocating the population was done in South Africa, ended the Boar Wars, there.
      Drained the pond, those Afrikaners gave up the fight.

      Counter Insurgency, amounts to controlling the local population.
      Physically moving them into "Concentration" camps.

      That is what won in South Africa, it is what won in Malaysia.

    6. The US does no have the resolve to do that.
      It is not going to start, now.

      The US may pay tribute, for a while.
      We did it in Iraq, it worked until the cash stopped flowing.

      We tried in Afghanistan, it did not work well, at all.

  5. Counter Insurgency, in the 21st Century amounts to bribing the enemy not to attack you.
    It works as long as the tribute payments are made, as in Iraq.

    Counter Insurgency, Vietnam/Laos style is a different kettle of fish, entirely.
    It does not require B52 strikes. I does require soldiers that can move in the native populations.

    Read about the Mike Force operations in Vietnam.
    Read about Special Forces utilizing the Montagnard in Vietnam.

    Use a little Google, you can find the information, if you go and look.

  6. October 21, 2013
    Species deniers at work
    Cliff Thier

    So much for "scientific consensus.

    For the longest time scientists all believed that a number otheoriesf different homo species existed.
    Now, anthropologists (real scientists) see new evidence and rethink their .

    On the other hand, climate charlatans see new evidence and they ignore it so as to not rethink their theories.
    The Guardian:

    The spectacular fossilised skull of an ancient human ancestor that died nearly two million years ago has forced scientists to rethink the story of early human evolution.

    Anthropologists unearthed the skull at a site in Dmanisi, a small town in southern Georgia, where other remains of human ancestors, simple stone tools and long-extinct animals have been dated to 1.8m years old.

    Experts believe the skull is one of the most important fossil finds to date, but it has proved as controversial as it is stunning. Analysis of the skull and other remains at Dmanisi suggests that scientists have been too ready to name separate species of human ancestors in Africa. Many of those species may now have to be wiped from the textbooks.

    The latest fossil is the only intact skull ever found of a human ancestor that lived in the early Pleistocene, when our predecessors first walked out of Africa. The skull adds to a haul of bones recovered from Dmanisi that belong to five individuals, most likely an elderly male, two other adult males, a young female and a juvenile of unknown sex. (snip)

    Over decades excavating sites in Africa, researchers have named half a dozen different species of early human ancestor, but most, if not all, are now on shaky ground.

    1. Here you go, Fudd ....

      Look here and you will see Chechnya and the results of the Russian campaign.

      Buildings in most of the photos, big hunkin' Soviet style big box buildings and urban centers, totally destroyed.
      No such targets even exist, in Afghanistan.
      If they had, the Russians would have razed them, back in the 1980s.
      They would not have been rebuilt in the mean time, from 1990 to the US incursion in 2001.


      Go learn something.

  7. What a dumb fuck rat is - the Russians just put down an insurgency in Chechnya for instance. Examples abound going back to Roman times and behind.

    desert rat doesn't know squat, he just thinks he knows squat.

    He is the densest poster here, and makes a fool out of himself daily.

    And has done so for years and years.

    1. Chechnya, is not comparable to Afghanistan, you stupid Farmer Fudd.
      Chechnya was an industrial society.
      High rise building major cities that could be razed, and were.

      It was not a Counter Insurgency operation, it was Siege and Destroy.
      Stick to growing alfalfa and shitting your pants.

      You certainly do not know anything about warfare.
      Modern or Medieval.

      The US is leaving, not escalating, you dumb fuck Fudd.

      The topic is Counter Insurgency, not Siege & Destroy.

      The Russians did not use heavy bombers in Chechnya, they used artillery.
      Classic Russian Doctrine, worked in Chechnya, FAILED in Afghanistan.

      Remember, Fudd, the Russians spent a decade there in Afghanistan, December 1979 thru February 1989.
      They FAILED.
      There were no population centers to raze.

      Quit thinking and go read.

    2. Remember what you told us, feckless Farmer Fudd ...

      . . . . Never Trust a Fart . . . .

      Take that to heart.
      Remember ...

      * RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.”

      You should take it to heart and apply it.

    3. What other locale and past military campaign would you like to be schooled on, Farmer Fudd?

      Where else would you like to compare to Afghanistan?

      The geology of Afghanistan does resemble parts of AZ.
      The US campaign against the Apache could be studied.

      But, that too was a counter insurgency operation that required relocating and controlling the population.
      The largest part of the Apache were taken and concentrated at San Carlos, near Globe, AZ.

      Saturation bombing would not have been effective against Geronimo. It took Apache scouts, led by Tom Horn, leading a small detachment of cavalry troopers. They did not destroy Geronimo and his band, they negotiated and Geronimo surrendered.

      Classic small unit counter insurgency operations require negotiation, much more than they need "Death From Above".

      Though having close air support is vital, to the modern doctrine.
      However close air support, that is not provided by B52s

    4. You don't know what you are talking about.

    5. .

      Most stopped reading some time ago.


    6. "Classic small unit counter insurgency operations require negotiation, much more than they need "Death From Above".

      Special forces in Afghanistan knew infinitely more about winning than the vaunted, college educated genius, Petraeus.

    7. Come on Farmer Dumb Ass Fudd, refute or deny, but believe you me.

      I do know about Counter Insurgency, where it worked, why it worked, how it worked.
      If you want to discuss, point counter point, ...

      . . . . . Let's Rock & Roll mother fucker . . . .

      But your retort, above, proves you are dumber than the turd in your pants.

    8. Tommy Franks, the General that would not deploy a battalion of Rangers to a blocking position 'tween Tora Bora and Pakistan.
      Which allowed Osama to escape the trap.

      To big a "Foot Print" for the US to establish, there in Afpakistan, he later said ...
      . . . . . . 800 Rangers, for a month . . . . . .

    9. The Special Forces, in Afghanistan, doug, fought an insurgency battle, themselves.
      They allied WITH the insurgents and toppled the government.

      180 degrees from a "Counter-Insurgency".
      It is a side note, but one of the reasons the SF were able to effectively use air power against the Taliban, in that phase of the conflict.

      The Taliban had what few population centers there were, they were committed to defending them, until they were routed.

      This is what happens, when the US military attempted to use B52's in a "Close Air Support" role ...

      Three American Special Forces soldiers were killed and 19 others injured when a bomb from a B-52 air raid struck near a formation of anti-Taliban forces, the Pentagon said....

      In a News Hour interview ...
      Mark, first on this "friendly fire" accident, is there any late word on what might have happened, what went wrong?

      MARK THOMPSON: I think, Jim, what's obvious is that this bomb was so big, and so close to the folks who died, that it wasn't merely the fact that it isn't a super precise munition.

      I mean with the satellite guidance system, it's a near precision munition, and pilots like to be two-thirds of a mile away from this thing when it goes off. And these poor soldiers were 100 yards, 100 meters away. So there plainly was a going mistake, either in plunging in the door nationals in the airplane, or the air controller calling them in, or perhaps the soldiers on the ground weren't where they thought they were.

      Pilots in a B52 cannot see the smoke grenades used to identify friendly positions.
      The discussion continued

      JIM LEHRER: John Pike, is it unusual, I won't load the question, is it unusual to use a B-52 for this kind of close air support bombing?

      JOHN PIKE: Well, it's certainly without historic, recent historic precedent. Normally when you think of close air support you think of an A-Fighter or an A-10 swooping in dropping bombs.

      Certainly one question I hope we would have answered over the next several days is exactly why they were using a B-52 rather than say having a gunship available, whether they had close air support that was already assigned for this particular unit or whether the B-52 was the only thing that was available.

      Having said that, the joint direct attack munition is a highly accurate munition, and in principal most of them ought to land on the targets that they're directed at. Of course the problem is that it's precise, not perfect. And certainly you can't exclude the possibility simply of random mechanical failure here.

  8. Apartheid anyone? -

    Egypt: Muslim Brotherhood protesters deface church with "Egypt is Islamic" graffiti; 3 dead, 18 injured as Muslims open fire at another church

    Hamas PM calls for end to "peace process," new jihad violence against Israel

    Egypt: Muslims open fire on church, murdering at least one and wounding five

    Family of Egyptian recognized by Israel for saving Jews during Holocaust rejects the honor: "If any other country offered to honor Helmy, we would have been happy with it"

    "Palestinians" fly Nazi flag over major Israeli thoroughfare

    Pakistan: School textbooks teach that it's okay for Muslims to kill Christians
    Malaysian Islamic Development Department: Human rights a facade to destroy Islam

    Deuce doesn't like me posting articles from JihadWatch so I'll just put up some of today's headlines, hopin' he's sleepin'

    1. When they target a Mosque in Israel, it not always with Vandal-ism

      The Regional Council for the Unrecognized Villages of the Palestinian Bedouin in the Negev-Israel [1] condemns the demolition of a mosque in the unrecognized village of Tel Al-Mileh, and views this operation as the beginning of the implementation of ... 5-year plan for the Negev.

      Officials from the Israeli Interior Ministry, guarded by a large force from the police and special units, destroyed a mosque today in the unrecognized village of Tel Al-Mileh. The demolition was carried out in the early hours of Wednesday morning on the grounds that the mosque was an unlicensed building.

      [1] 45 Unrecognized Villages with 70,000 inhabitants. The Israeli Government does not recognize these villages legally or administratively, perferring to view them as “scattered settlements” or “populations.”

    2. Rare photograph reveals ancient Jerusalem mosque destroyed in 1967
      A few days after the Six-Day War, Israel destroyed the Mughrabi quarter to build the Western Wall Plaza, including one of few remaining mosques from the time of Saladin.

      By Nir Hasson | Jun. 15, 2012

      known as the Sheikh Eid Mosque, after a leader of the North African community that inhabited the quarter. The sheikh was buried there in the 17th century, after which the mosque became a place of pilgrimage.

      A few days after the Six-Day War, Israel destroyed the Mughrabi quarter to build the Western Wall Plaza. The destruction included the mosque - one of only three or four remaining from the time of Saladin.

      "It was an archaeological crime," said Benjamin Kedar, a historian and vice president of the National Academy of Sciences. Kedar took an interest in the site after an Israeli-Palestinian academic collaboration that in 2009 produced the book "Where Heaven and Earth Meet" on the Temple Mount over the centuries.

      "It was clear to us that to locate the structure we needed a good aerial photograph," Kedar said. In 2009 he went to the zeppelin museum in southern Germany and returned with 30 photographs, one of which shows the mosque.

      A comparison between the photo, historical descriptions, a 19th-century map and other photos allowed Kedar to locate the exact site of the mosque.

      The excavation in the Western Wall Plaza was carried out to allow for the construction of a building to cater to Western Wall visitors.

      The Israeli tore down the Mosque, built a parking lot and snack bar, for tourists.


    3. Should I continue, there are plenty more examples of the Israeli destroying, defacing and Vandal-izing Mosques?

      Or are these two enough to establish the truth?

    4. Modestas RinkeviciusMon Oct 21, 11:12:00 AM EDT

      Sometimes all you need is a simple 'sorry.'

    5. What they do not teach in Texas public schools is the truth behind the rebellion against the government of Mexico.

      That it was motivated by the desire to extend that "peculiar institution" of slavery into that region of North America.

      Slavery was illegal in Mexico, it being a culturally civilized and socially European country, at the time.

      I wrote about it, with the assistance of Sam Clemens, in my memoirs.
      I'll post it, in a minute or two.

    6. Often what is not taught to children is more important than what is.

  9. The Russians at least had a logical reason to be in Chechnya. What was our logical reason to be in Viet Nam, Cambodia, Laos, Iraq and Libya, responsible for slaughtering and maiming millions, destroying property and lives and fucking over 100’s of thousands of young Americans?

    Go get em boys.

    Listen up, assholes.


    1. ...but still:

      There was Korea.

      'course that was only 63 years ago, and Harry S. Truman was President.

  10. How many of the Mission Accomplished Mother Fuckers… Fuckit…it don’t mean shit.

  11. The French government has summoned the US ambassador in Paris, demanding an explanation about claims that the National Security Agency has been engaged in widespread phone surveillance of French citizens.

    On Monday, Le Monde published details from the NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden suggesting that the US agency had been intercepting phone calls on what it terms "a massive scale".

    The French interior minister, Manuel Valls, has described the revelations as shocking, and said he will be pressing for detailed explanations from Washington.

    "Rules are obviously needed when it comes to new communication technologies, and that's something that concerns every country," he told Europe-1 radio. "If a friendly country – an ally – spies on France or other European countries, that is completely unacceptable."

    The report in Le Monde, which carries the byline of former Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald - who worked with Snowden to lay bare the extent of the NSA's actions - claims that between 10 December 2012 and 8 January 2013, the NSA recorded 70.3m phone calls in France.

    According to the paper, the documents show that the NSA was allegedly targeting not only terrorist suspects but also politicians, businesspeople and members of the administration under a programme codenamed US-985D.

    1. Mexico condemns US over alleged NSA hacking of ex-president's emails

      Mexico has criticised the United States over new allegations of spying after a German magazine reported that the US National Security Agency (NSA) had hacked Felipe Calderon's public email account while he was president.

      Der Spiegel said in May 2010, an NSA division known as "Tailored Access Operations" reported it had gained access to then-president Calderon's email account, and turned his office into a "lucrative" source of information.

      It said details of the alleged NSA hacking of Calderon's account were contained in a document leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden. Snowden's leaked information has prompted angry recriminations against Washington in Latin America, particularly Brazil.

      According to Der Spiegel, the NSA succeeded in hacking a central server in the network of the Mexican presidency that was also used by other members of Calderon's cabinet, yielding a trove of information on diplomatic and economic matters.

      Without citing by name the German report, which was picked up by a number of Mexican media, the Mexican foreign ministry condemned the latest allegations about "suspected acts of spying carried out by the National Security Agency".

      "This practice is unacceptable, illegal and against Mexican and international law," the ministry said in a statement.


  12. The Colts have beaten Seattle and Denver w/ Peyton Manning!

    Lost to Miami and San Diego.

    Andrew Luck may be Superbowl bound.

    From Stratford high to Stanford to the Colts.

    Thought it was my mom's shithole birthplace, Stratford, CA.

    But it's some town in Texas.

    ...but still.

    1. The Silos in the Second row of pictures were what I saw half a block away from Grandma's house.

      Stratford, California

      The median household income was $29,205 and the median family income was $35,481.

      Males had a median income of $33,750 versus $28,125 for females.

      The per capita income for the CDP was $9,790.

      About 20.2% of families and 24.8% of the population were below the poverty line, including 28.1% of those under age 18 and 6.9% of those age 65 or over.

    2. ...but still: (66.0%) of houses were owner-occupied, vs 67.4% in the nation:

      How bad could it be?

    3. Living in, AND owning (a piece) of Paradise!

    4. "About 5.7% of Stratford citizens over 25 years of age have earned a Bachelor's degree or higher and 31.5% have graduated from high school (in other words, not a hotbed of educated folks).

      The Kings River, or what is left of it, runs south a short distance to the west of town."

    5. The River Runs Through It,

      ...but then it goes dry.

      Damned upstream in the Sierras for farmers, except when Democrats like Pelosi and Boxer cut farmers off.

    6. Yes, Dammed, according to Google.

      Gotta love that spellcheck amongst other crimes committed by Google.

  13. The equipment they have supplied in Afghanistan will soon be worthless and inoperable because they didn't supply spare parts for the equipment.

    And not only that, the deep fat fryer at the FOB Cinnabon doesn't work anymore.

  14. Family of Egyptian recognized by Israel for saving Jews during Holocaust rejects the honor: "If any other country offered to honor Helmy, we would have been happy with it"

    Hey at least they said "country" and not "Zionist entity".

  15. What "population" centers are you going to bomb in Afghanistan?

    You can't bomb someone back to the Stone Age when they're already there.

  16. I can't think of a better place for public service unions to strike than San Francisco, except maybe Seattle or Portland. So now BART is shut down. Good for them. Give them a taste of the future they are creating, spending billions for light-rail lines with no parking lots because you're supposed to ride your bike there to meet your train from your high-density, low environmental-impact urban housing. In Washington State we have alternatives to taxi cabs, you use a phone app to get a ride. Seattle is trying to stomp 'em flat because they don't get their $100,000 fee per car. Good luck, anybody and his dog can start a similar business.

    1. Eventually, BART employees will turn some Democrats into Libertarians.

  17. stunney said...

    America, why won’t you listen to conservatives?

    Let’s look at the record, shall we?

    When the income tax was enacted, conservatives predicted an economic catastrophe.

    When the Federal Reserve was created, conservatives said that this monstrous socialization of our system of credit spelled our ruination.

    When legislation was passed for the health and safety of employees at the workplace, conservatives predicted it would have a disastrous impact on our economy.

    When minimum wage laws were passed, conservatives predicted economic havoc.

    When labor unions were permitted, conservatives predicted it would severely hamper our capitalist system.

    When child labor was prohibited, conservatives predicted dire economic consequences.

    When Social Security was enacted, conservatives predicted tremendous damage to our sense of responsibility.

    When unemployment insurance was introduced, conservatives predicted chaos in our labor markets.

    When the GI bill was passed, conservatives predicted a lowering of educational standards.

    When the Interstate highway system was constructed, conservatives predicted it would be a wasteful extravagance.

    When Medicare was passed, conservatives predicted it would be a socialist catastrophe.

    When consumer product safety legislation was passed, conservatives said that this unwarranted interference in the workings of the free market would have serious deleterious consequences.

    When the Food and Drug Administration was formed, conservatives warned it would imperil our prosperity.

    When food stamps and other public nutrition assistance programs were developed, conservatives predicted they would destroy the incentive to work.

    When the Environmental Protection Agency was established, conservatives predicted it would undermine the competitiveness of the U.S. economy.

    In each and every instance, conservatives have turned out to be right. The American economy has undergone staggering decline, investment and innovation have plummeted, and profitability has almost been destroyed. And from the heights achieved in the early 19th century, America has been turned into an impoverished wasteland and a byword for economic ruin.

    Why, America, why didn’t you listen to conservative warnings?

    If only you had, you could have had a vibrant, thriving 19th century economy, instead of the misery you now endure…

    Brought to you by:

    The Conservative Fantasy Association

    and by

    Billionaires For Stupidity

    and by

    Morons for Free Markets

    and by

    The Newt Gingrich Center for Sheer Nonsense

    and by

    Americans for Anti-Liberal History

    and by

    The Batshit Crazy Society

    Stolen , word for word, from the comment section at

    Paul Krugman's Blog

    1. Ah, that wasn't Krugman's blog. It was a Krugman article posted on the "Economist's View" blog.

  18. Texas was originally a state belonging to the republic of Mexico.

    It extended from the Sabine River on the east to the Rio Grande on the west, and from the Gulf of Mexico on the south and east...
    ... to the territory of the United States and New Mexico -- another Mexican state at that time -- on the north and west.

    An empire in territory, it had but a very sparse population, until settled by Americans who had received authority from Mexico to colonize.
    These colonists paid very little attention to the supreme government, and introduced slavery into the state almost from the start, ...
    ... though the constitution of Mexico did not, nor does it now, sanction that institution.

    Soon they set up an independent government of their own, and war existed, between Texas and Mexico,...
    ... in name from that time until 1836, when active hostilities very nearly ceased upon the capture of Santa Anna, the Mexican President.

    Before long, however, the same people -- who with permission of Mexico had colonized Texas, and afterwards set up slavery there,...
    ... and then seceded as soon as they felt strong enough to do so -- offered themselves and the State to the United States, ...
    ... and in 1845 their offer was accepted.

    The occupation, separation and annexation were, from the inception of the movement to its final consummation, ...
    ... a conspiracy to acquire territory out of which slave states might be formed for the American Union.

  19. Ukrainian racist murdered Muslim, planted mosque bombs in Britain

    LONDON | Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:09pm EDT

    (Reuters) - A self-confessed racist Ukrainian student studying in Britain pleaded guilty on Monday to murdering an elderly Muslim man and planting explosive devices outside mosques in central England as part of a one-man hate campaign.

    Pavlo Lapshyn, 25, arrived in Britain in April to study and work in Birmingham but within days he stabbed to death 82-year-old Mohammed Saleem as he walked home from a mosque.

    Weeks later he planted bombs which exploded near mosques in Walsall, Wolverhampton and Tipton in central England. No one was injured in the blasts but police said chemicals and bomb-making equipment were found at his home following his arrest in July, suggesting further attacks would have followed.

    "He wanted to stir up racial tension, racial hatred," ...

    1. Another Ukrainian Brain, poisoned by the Evils of Free Markets.

  20. Rufus is not stupid.

    He is abysmally stupid.

  21. "The record 23,116,928 households on food stamps in June also equaled 20.16 percent—or more than one-fifth--of all 114,663,000 households nationwide in the United States as of June, according to the Census Bureau.

    The 23,116,928 household on food stamps in June was an increase of 45,908 from the 23,071,020 household on food stamps in May.

    In fiscal 2009, the year President Barack Obama was inaugurated, there was a monthly average of 15,161,469 American households on food stamps, according to the Department of Agriculture . The 23,116,928 households on food stamps in June exceeded that 2009 monthly average by 7,955,459 households—or 52 percent.

    Thus, in America in June, there were 52 percent more households on Food Stamps than there were in the average month of the first year President Obama took office.

    - See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/23116928-20618000-households-food-stamps-now-outnumber-all-households#sthash.dbYq9uh7.dpuf

    That's progress, climbing out from the Bush Disaster (Fed Real Estate Bubble) according to Rufie Duffus.