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Monday, August 26, 2013

FUKUS to come to the rescue of al Qaeda in Syria - US absolutely almost positive Syrian government used chemical weapons - No evidence yet - it was probably destroyed - No matter - The pious and virtuous must get on to Syria to preserve our values


Military commanders to meet in Jordan to discuss Syria conflict
August 25, 2013 5:30AM ET Updated August 26, 2013 5:00AM ET
Military leaders to hold summit in Jordan; US has 'very little doubt' of Syria gas attack as UN inspectors to visit site

Military commanders from Western and Middle Eastern countries are meeting in Jordan to discuss the Syria conflict, as Western powers weigh military action in response to a suspected chemical weapons attack in Damascus.
As the U.S. considered its options and expressed increasing impatience with Syria's government, other countries scrambled to take positions.
Turkey said it would join an international coalition against Syria, even if the U.N. Security Council fails to reach consensus on the issue of suspected chemical weapons attacks, its foreign minister said in an interview published Monday in Turkey’s Milliyet newspaper.
"If a coalition is formed against Syria in this process, Turkey will take part in it," Ahmet Davutoglu told the Milliyet.
"After the inspection, the United Nations needs to make a decision on sanctions. If there's no such decision, other options will be on the agenda," Davutoglu said.
Separately, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov urged restraint and said Moscow is "very concerned" about possible U.S. military action in Syria, Reuters reported, citing the ministry.
The meeting in Jordan was coordinated by Jordan's chief of staff Meshaal Mohamed al-Zaban and Gen. Lloyd Austin, head of Centcom -- the U.S. command responsible for 20 countries in the Middle East and Central Asia -- according to Jordanian officials.
U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey was also set to participate, along with the chiefs of staff from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Canada, said an official cited by Jordan's state news agency.
Syria agreed on Sunday to let the United Nations inspect the site of the alleged chemical weapons attack, but a U.S. official said that such an offer was "too late to be credible" and that Washington was all but certain that the Syrian government had gassed its own people.
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, speaking at a news conference in Seoul on Monday, said: "I demand that all parties allow this mission to get on with the job so that we can begin to establish the facts."
"If proven, any use of chemical weapons by anyone under any circumstances is a serious violation of international law and an outrageous crime," Ban added. "We cannot allow impunity in what appears to be a grave crime against humanity."
The comments follow forceful remarks from Western powers, including Britain and France, which also said they believe Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's government was behind the supected attack, blamed for the deaths of hundreds of people last week.
U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said on Sunday that the country's military was ready to take action against the Syrian government if ordered.
In Jordan, Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh said the meeting had been scheduled for months.
"The meeting is not a reaction to what happened recently in Syria. It is one of a series of meetings of the army chiefs of countries concerned about the situation in Syria," he said.
"At the same time, the meeting will discuss the situation and scenarios on the ground, especially after the recent dangerous developments. The army chiefs have to have comprehensive talks and examine the impact on the region."
Syria's information minister has said any U.S. military action would "create a ball of fire that will inflame the Middle East.”
The White House said Sunday it had "very little doubt" that the Syrian government was responsible for the assault that killed hundreds of civilians, as U.N. inspectors prepared to access the Damascus suburb where the purported nerve gas attack took place on Monday.   
But a senior Obama administration official treated the Syrian decision with skepticism.
"If the Syrian government had nothing to hide and wanted to prove to the world that it had not used chemical weapons in this incident, it would have ceased its attacks on the area and granted immediate access to the UN. -- five days ago," the official said on condition of anonymity. 
The Syrian government has denied responsibility for Wednesday's attack and blamed the rebels fighting Assad's forces of the same. The rebels have, however, held the regime forces responsible for the attack. The suburbs hit in the suspected chemical strike, collectively known as eastern Ghouta, are under the control of rebel fighters, and regime artillery and warplanes have pounded the area for days.
The U.N. inspectors will have to traverse both government-held and opposition-controlled turf to conduct their probe. Rebels have said they will help facilitate the visit.
Under Sunday's agreement with the U.N., the Syrian government "affirmed that it will provide the necessary cooperation, including the observance of the cessation of hostilities at the locations related to the incident," U.N. spokesman Martin Nesirky said in a statement.
The developments come amid heightened tension between the Syrian regime and the wider international community, with the U.S. said to have naval ships edging toward the strife-torn country as President Barack Obama weighs his options.
Both Assad's government and Iran, its stalwart regional ally, have issued stern warnings against intervention.
Iran said Sunday that if the U.S. crossed the so-called "red line" and intervened militarily in Syria it would have "severe consequences," the Fars news agency reported.
"America knows the limitation of the red line of the Syrian front and any crossing of Syria's red line will have severe consequences for the White House," said Massoud Jazayeri, deputy chief of staff of Iran's armed forces, reacting to statements by Western officials regarding the possibility of military intervention in Syria.
Obama has discussed the situation in Syria by telephone with British Prime Minister David Cameron on Saturday, the White House said. It was Obama's first known conversation with a foreign leader about Syria since the reports this week that hundreds of Syrians had been killed by an alleged chemical attack.  
The White House said the two leaders expressed "grave concern" about the reported chemical weapons use, which both of their countries oppose.
Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu also called for immediate steps.    
"Our finger or our hand is always on the pulse. Our finger is on the trigger but is always responsible," he said. "This situation must not continue."
Americans and the red line
Obama, however, is likely to encounter national resistance to a military intervention. A new Reuters/Ipsos poll released Saturday evening found that about 60 percent of Americans strongly oppose U.S. intervention in Syria, with only 9 percent in favor.
The Syrian government vehemently denies claims that it was responsible for the attack.
But Obama is under mounting pressure to act amid reports from opposition groups that more than 1,000 people were killed.
Bart Janssens, operations director for Doctors Without Borders (DWB), said Saturday that hospitals in Syria had reported thousands of patients displaying "neurotoxic symptoms" in line with mass exposure to nerve gas. Around 3,600 patients have been treated in three hospitals, he added. Of those, 355 have reportedly died, according to DWB.
If confirmed, it would be the largest chemical weapons attack since Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein gassed thousands of Kurds in the town of Halabja in 1988.
For a year now, Obama has threatened to punish Assad's regime if it resorted to its chemical weapons arsenal, among the world's vastest, saying use or even deployment of such weapons of mass destruction constituted a "red line" for him.
While the Reuters/Ipsos polls shows more Americans would back intervention if the chemical attacks are established -- up to 25 percent -- a remaining 46 percent would still oppose it.
The poll, taken Aug. 19-23, reveals a decline in support for U.S. action since Aug. 13, when an earlier survey showed that 30 percent of Americans backed intervention if chemical weapons were used. The two polls seem to suggest that the wrenching pictures of victims and the growing conflict in Syria have only hardened the resolve of many Americans not to get involved.
Military action
Officials have said Obama will decide how to respond once the facts are known.
"In coordination with international partners and mindful of the dozens of contemporaneous witness accounts and record of the symptoms of those killed, the U.S. intelligence community continues to gather facts to ascertain what occurred," the White House said after Obama's meeting, which included Secretary of State John Kerry, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and others.
To date, Hagel has declined to discuss specific force movements while saying that Obama had asked the Pentagon to prepare military options for Syria. U.S. defense officials told The Associated Press that the Navy had sent a fourth warship armed with ballistic missiles into the eastern Mediterranean Sea but without immediate orders for any missile launch into Syria.
Navy ships are capable of a variety of military actions, including launching Tomahawk cruise missiles as they did against Libya in 2011 as part of an international action that led to the overthrow of the Libyan government.
Hagel said the U.S. is coordinating with the international community to determine "what exactly did happen" near Damascus. Hagel left little doubt that he thinks chemical weapons were used in Syria. "It appears to be what happened -- use of chemical weapons," he said.
Al Jazeera and wire services

137 comments:

  1. So far, Obama doesn't seem to be going for it.

    Now, let's spend the rest of the thread bashing Obama.

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  2. Russia warns West against Syria attack without U.N. approval, which of course they will veto every time.

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  3. Lessee, Russia is the biggest oil producer on earth.

    Of course they would hate to see the U.S. attack Syria, and possibly have the whole mess spill over into Iran -

    sending world oil price skyrocketing.

    The Russians are dumb people, though. They're not smart enough to use reverse psychology.

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  4. He keeps us out of this, which he won’t, but if he does, I’ll Obamanize the site.

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    1. :) Well, we don' wanna get carried away.

      Jes a li'l credit ever now and then would be fine. :)

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    2. Good Lord!

      I have to agree with Rufus, don't get carried away.

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    3. You wouldn't have to pay Rufus II to do it for you!

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    5. The USA is involved in the Middle East and doing nothing is doing something. However I'm not sure how the US and/or NATO taking military action would change the course of the larger Sunni Shiite war or stem the humanitarian crisis occurring there.

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  5. The Republican standard bearer is way out in front on this one, the GOP has rallied round al-Qaeda, standing shoulder to shoulder with them, in Syria.

    Sarah would speak up, but she is down with a triple dose of jungle fever.
    She's got that Basketball Jones

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    1. Was just listening to some tall black player on a podcast talking about Sarah making sure she checked him out and had some quality conversation time w/him.

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    1. (Scroll down to Video of Miley Cyrus finger-fucking herself with a styrofoam hand.)

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  7. We're bringing PEACE to the ME, and don't you forget it.

    The Churchill ME "Legacy" will quickly be forgotten, replaced by W and The Won.

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  8. In other news, Trump University, aka The Trump Entrepreneur Institute, is being sued for defrauding its students.

    Quirk had applied for Graduate School at Trump but was turned away after it was learned his primary degree was from The Carnegie Institute of Supersalesmanship On-line, a direct competitor of Trump. The mad bad blood flows between the two learning institutes.

    Quirk may have 'dodged a bullet' on this one. He is noted for this ability. But he may be walking into a machine gun with an open chest in another matter.

    He was recently seen dating Miley Cyrus, who out-cruded Lady Gaga at the MTV Awards.

    Taylor Swift recently told Miley to 'Shut the f*** up'.

    If Quirk would ever only learn to listen to advice sometimes......

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    1. Maybe he'll listen to Swift.

      Hope springs eternal.

      Then again...

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    2. you too boobie - nothing but anon-bird shit spread all over this blog. You aren't smart enough to figure out how to log in to your google account yet you post all sorts of nonsensical crap thinking it is 'smart'. One such example was your blather about how your medical bills on your hip exceed the amount that you've paid in insurance over the years therefore Obamacare sucks.

      To seriously consider what you say is to jump down the rabbit hole of inanity.

      Maybe you should take your own advise and "SHUT THE FUCK UP"!

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    3. Quirk listening to advice would constitute 'a first'.

      Would be a unique event.

      Don't bet on it.

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    4. OOOOO Ash, that really hurt.

      Have you had a comment ever posted on your blog yet?

      Relax Ash, it's not as if you paid for my hip.

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    5. Better chance of that happening than Ash making any frigging sense.

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    6. yeah bob, any comment is better than no comment, at least that appears to be Deuce's thinking.

      carry on!

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    7. What can I say? Almost any.

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    8. I understand the need for 'action' in the comments but the risk is that the crap may act as a disincentive for some to comment. I haven't seen the likes of Cedarford, Hu Dat, et al to stick around for long. There is no way of telling why but, from my perspective, there is a lot of nonsensical incoherent anonymous crap to sift through. It does keep the comment count up though.

      Raising the intellectual bar to the level of knowing how to log in to google might at least tag the nonsense to a particular name but poor Ms. T might be left out in the cold what with her super secret and sensitive job limiting her internet interactions at work - though she appears to have some sort of login happening when she posts.

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    9. Ash, I can post with Name/URL, but when Deuce locks it down to just Google logins, I'm out of the picture, because Google is set up under my husband's login and HE doesn't want his name associated with this crap.

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    10. Wellll, you could set up your own login and if you both are working the same computer just login and logout accordingly. Heck, you can make multiple logins complete with a variety of emails - some at Hotmail some at google. One could adopt many different names if one wanted but your own shouldn't be a problem.

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  9. As far as we really know yet, the rebs may have purchased a big load of parathion from Dow and spread it around that neighborhood. Same effect.

    Just learned that in addition to soil samples, tissue samples from the dead and injured are used to determine chemical weapons use.

    The Muslim practice of burying the dead within a day doesn't help in an investigation of this type.

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    1. At least that neighborhood will be mosquito and polio free.

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    2. Won't have any evil pea weevils, eiher.

      It's all good.

      No moaquitoes, polio, pea weevils, al-Qaeda types.....

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    3. Oops, gave mosquitos a bad rap on that one:

      Polio is spread in an "oral-fecal" manner. Person-to-person infection occurs by contact with infected mucus, phlegm, feces, or by contact with food and water contaminated by feces of another infected individual.

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      Be sure to practice safe anal w/a condom.

      Infected mucus, phlegm, feces, or by contact with food and water contaminated by feces of another infected individual,
      not so easy to control w/o full body condoms and sterilized food and water.

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    4. Don't go easy on the sqeeters, they got no purpose in life anyway.

      It's all good.

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  10. DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) — Snipers opened fire Monday at a U.N. vehicle carrying a team investigating the alleged use of chemical weapons in Damascus, a U.N. spokesman said. The Syrian government accused the rebels of firing at the team, while a rebel representative said a pro-government militia was behind the attack.

    Activists said the team later arrived in Moadamiyeh, a western suburb of the capital and one of the areas where last week's attack allegedly occurred. They said the team was meeting with doctors and victims at a makeshift hospital.

    The United States has said that there is little doubt that President Bashar Assad's regime was responsible for the attack on Aug. 21 in the capital's suburbs. Activists say the action killed hundreds; the group Doctors Without Borders put the death toll at 355 people.

    Monday's shooting came as support for an international military response was mounting if it is confirmed that Assad's troops used chemical weapons.

    Martin Nesirky, spokesman for U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, said the U.N. vehicle was "deliberately shot at multiple times" in the buffer zone area between rebel- and government-controlled territory, adding that the team was safe.

    News of the sniper attack came only a few hours after an Associated Press photographer saw the team members wearing body armor leaving their hotel in Damascus in seven SUVs and heading to the site of the alleged attack.

    The photographer said U.N. disarmament chief Angela Kane saw them off as they left but did not go with them.

    Nearly an hour before the team left, several mortar shells fell about 700 meters (yards) from their hotel, wounding three people. One of the shells struck a mosque and damaged its minaret, according to an AP reporter on the scene.

    U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, speaking with reporters after meeting with his Indonesian counterpart, said Monday the Obama administration was studying intelligence on Syria's purported use of chemical weapons and "will get the facts" before acting.

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  11. August 26, 2013
    UN WMD investigators come under fire in Syria
    Rick Moran

    After inviting UN investigators to visit the site where a chemical weapon attack occurred, someone, or some people, were upset enough about what they might find that they began sniping at the car the UN investigators were driving in.

    Associated Press:
    Snipers opened fire Monday at a U.N. vehicle belonging to a team investigating the alleged use of chemical weapons in Damascus, a U.N. spokesman said. The Syrian government accused the rebels of firing at the team.
    Activists said later that the team had arrived in Moadamiyeh, a western suburb of the capital and one of the areas where the alleged attack occurred. They said the team was meeting with doctors and victims at a makeshift hospital.
    Martin Nesirky, spokesman for U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, said the vehicle was "deliberately shot at multiple times" in the buffer zone area between rebel- and government-controlled territory, adding that the team was safe.

    News of the sniper attack came only a few hours after an Associated Press photographer saw the team members wearing body armor leaving their hotel in Damascus in seven SUVs, headed to the site of the alleged attack.

    The photographer said U.N. disarmament chief Angela Kane saw them off as they left but did not go with them.

    Nearly an hour before the team left, several mortar shells fell about 700 meters (yards) from their hotel, wounding three people. One of the shells struck a mosque and damaged its minaret, according to an AP reporter on the scene.

    World leaders have suggested that an international response to the attack was likely.
    The United States has said that there is little doubt that Assad's regime was responsible for the attack on Aug. 21 in the capital's eastern suburbs. The group Doctors Without Borders said 355 people were killed in the artillery barrage by regime forces that included the use of toxic gas.

    Nesirky said one of the cars used by the team was "no longer serviceable."

    "It has to be stressed again that all sides need to extend their cooperation so that the Team can safely carry out their important work," he said in emailed comments to The Associated Press.
    The Syrian government said the U.N. team was subjected to fire by "terrorist gangs" while entering the Damascus suburb of Moadamiyeh west of Damascus, one of the areas that the opposition says were targeted by toxic gas in last week's attack.

    The government also says Syrian forces provided safety for the team until they reached a position controlled by the rebels, where it claimed the sniper attack occurred.

    Unless the White House has independent intelligence that points to the Syrian government being responsible for the attack, they're not being truthful. The rebels have become very good at manipulating the western press and with it, western governments. To take recent events at face value is a mistake. Things are not always as they appear in Syria because both sides have committed documented atrocities.

    It is apparently no longer a question of if we will intervene, only when and in what way.

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    1. And -

      Syria will require more than cruise missiles

      By Eliot A. Cohen, Published: August 25

      Eliot A. Cohen teaches at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. He directed the U.S. Air Force’s Gulf War Air Power Survey from 1991 to 1993.

      In 1994, after directing the U.S. Air Force’s official study of the Persian Gulf War, I concluded, “Air power is an unusually seductive form of military strength, in part because, like modern courtship, it appears to offer gratification without commitment.” That observation stands. It explains the Obama administration’s enthusiasm for a massive, drone-led assassination campaign against al-Qaeda terrorists. And it applies with particular force to a prospective, U.S.-led attack on the Syrian government in response to its use of chemical weapons against a civilian population.

      President Obama has boxed himself in. He can no longer ignore his own proclamation of a “red line.” The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, in a breach of proper civil-military relations, has publicly telegraphed his skepticism about any use of force in Syria. But the scale, openness and callousness of the Syrian government’s breaking of an important taboo seems likely to compel this president — so proud of his record as a putative war-ender — to launch the warplanes yet again in the Middle East.

      --with that I'm outta here.

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    2. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/syria-will-require-more-than-cruise-missiles/2013/08/25/8c8877b8-0daf-11e3-85b6-d27422650fd5_story.html

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    . My best guess is we will be involved in Syria soon.

    . FUKUS is beating the war drums.

    . They have invested too much 'face' in demanding that Assad leave to let it drop. Same as Libya.

    . We saw earlier that the UK and France were trying to set up a false flag operation even before this latest incident.

    . This is a perfect opportunity, large and well publicized. They are already making excuses for any lack of evidence by citing the bombing of the area.

    . Assad is in a strong position. Without western intervention, there is little chance he will be forced out. The west would look silly. Sillier?

    . Obama doesn't have his heart in this and the military has advised against it. More importantly, the polls show the American people are opposed to it. Also, there is the real danger that al Queda will get their hands on the chemical weapons dumps.

    Troubling, but...

    . Hillary is gone, but the Clintons, especially Bill are pushing for intervention. Likewise, the other two members of the warmongering troika that got us into Libya are still there, Rice and Powers.
    John Kerry? What can you say? Stone cold nutzoid.

    . The Dems will back Obama no matter what he does. Half the GOP are pushing for intervention.

    . Obama has spent the last six months being called out by both sides as a paper tiger for not backing up his 'ill-advised' red line remarks. The MSM is flooded with articles stating that Obama is aloof and afraid to get involved and not only on foreign policy.

    . A nice little war might be an excuse for the MSM to further avoid talking about the scandals at the SEC, IRS, DHS, DJ, Secret Service, NSA, Benghazi, etc.

    . Obama is very comfortable lying. A few more can't hurt.

    . Risk vs reward? It's a crap shoot. No doubt the reason he has delayed this long. We shall see.

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    1. "A nice little war might be an excuse for the MSM to further avoid talking about the scandals at the SEC, IRS, DHS, DJ, Secret Service, NSA, Benghazi, etc."

      Bingo! wag the hog moment...

      Cortés learned early on in Mexico that taking out the leader (gaudiest dressed) led to pandemonium. There is a simple lesson in this bit of "sociology". Surely, Mr. Assad can be taken down for less a billion dollars...Hmm...If the US does the job, probably not.

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  13. Hysteria around chemical attack suits those who want military intervention in Syria - Lavrov

    Published time: August 26, 2013 12:24
    Edited time: August 26, 2013 16:15

    Following last week’s chemical attack, the West has engineered a media campaign to facilitate a military incursion, says Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. The minister also cast doubts on the veracity of US and European claims about the incident.

    “Official Washington, London and Paris say they have incontrovertible evidence that the Syrian government is behind the chemical attack in Damascus, but they have not yet presented this evidence. Yet, they keep saying that the ‘red line’ has been crossed,” Lavrov said during an emergency press conference in Moscow.

    “Now, we are hearing calls for a military campaign against Bashar Assad.”

    Lavrov said that the US, Britain and other countries have assembled a “powerful force” and are “readying their ships and planes” for a possible invasion.

    The minister said that the development set the world on a "perilous path" and warned that “repeating the Iraqi and Lybyan scenario” and bringing in outside forces, would be a “terrible mistake that will lead to more blood being spilt”.

    The minister reserved particular outrage for the newly-mooted possibility of NATO staging a strike on chemical storage facilities without a United Nations mandate.

    Asked if Russia was going to join in the potential conflict on either side, Lavrov said “We have no plans to go to war, but we hope that others think of long-term interests.”

    Last Wednesday, footage began to emerge of civilians in a Damascus suburb suffering from what appeared to be the effects of a neurotoxic gas.

    Previously, Barack Obama stated that use of chemical weapons would be a ‘red line’ in the conflict, which would have “enormous consequences” for the Syrian regime, though the US president appeared more cautious about possible intervention in interviews over the past few days.

    Medical aid group, Doctors without Borders, have reported that at least 355 people have died as a result of the incident.

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    The Syrian opposition, which has been involved in the 30-month conflict with the government of Bashar Assad, said state forces had been behind the attack. The Syrian government has denied the claims, saying that the use of chemical weapons after repeated warnings from the international community would be “illogical”.

    In his conference, Lavrov questioned the rebel version of events.

    “There is information that videos were posted on the internet hours before the purported attack, and other reasons to doubt the rebel narrative.”

    “Those involved with the incident wanted to sabotage the upcoming Geneva peace talks. Maybe that was the motivation of those who created this story. The opposition obviously does not want to negotiate peacefully.”

    “Those involved with the incident wanted to sabotage the upcoming Geneva peace talks. Maybe that was the motivation of those who created this story. The opposition obviously does not want to negotiate peacefully.”

    Lavrov also said that the UN expert team that is currently in Damascus, investigating the attack, “does not have the mandate” to produce an official ruling on who was responsible for the chemical release.

    “The experts in Syria have the mandate to determine if chemical weapons were used, and if so, which ones, but not who unleashed this attack” Lavrov told the gathered media.

    “The UN security council will make the final decision about the perpetrator based on this evidence and all the analytical and factual materials available on the internet and in other media.”


    While Lavrov said that he is continuing to work on the Geneva peace conference with his US counterpart John Kerry, he stated that it was now unlikely that the long-postponed talks would take place in September.

    He also explained the reasons he believes the opposition has been unwilling to participate.

    “Why go to a conference if you believe that the regime’s infrastructure will all be destroyed anyway by allies, and then you can just march into Damascus unopposed, and take control?”

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  15. There are some reports that the videos showing the “gassing” appeared on the internet prior to the event.

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  16. A total of thirty five nations, including Turkey, are considering joining the United States in taking action against Syria, Turkey’s foreign minister has announced.

    More than 35 nations are considering joining the United States in taking action against Syria, and Turkey is among them, Ahmet Davutoglu told the Turkish Milliyet daily newspaper.

    “We always prioritize acting together with the international community, with United Nations decisions. If such a decision doesn’t emerge from the U.N. Security Council, other alternatives . . . would come onto the agenda,” Davutoglu said.

    Earlier on Monday UN inspectors reached one of the areas of an alleged chemical attack in Syria after sniper fire hit one of their vehicles.

    The inspectors entered the town of Moadamiyet al-Sham and appeared to be inspecting the area with doctors, according to social media videos posted by activists.

    The team had been on its way to inspect the scene of an alleged chemical weapons attack in the Damascus suburban area of Ghouta, after the Syrian government on Sunday agreed to grant the inspectors full access, the United Nations said.

    The regime said its army would cease all hostilities as long as the U.N. inspectors are on the ground.

    But sniper fire hit a vehicle used by a UN chemical weapons investigation team in Syria multiple times on Monday.

    The team "returned safely back to the government checkpoint," a UN statement said.

    The UN did not say who fired the shots, but the first car in the convoy was hit and the team returned to a checkpoint.

    UN experts are visiting the sites of suspected chemical weapons attacks in which hundreds died last Wednesday in the Syrian capital Damascus.

    The experts are expected to take soil, blood, urine and tissue samples for laboratory testing from five locations on Monday and Tuesday.

    - See more at: http://www.novinite.com/articles/153161/Turkey+Says+35+Nations+Mull+Joining+US+against+Syria#sthash.4FRaYqyp.dpuf

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  17. Common sense dictates that the US defining a condition that will bring the US into the war against Syria, will invite the stated criteria to happen, staged to look like the Syrian government did it.

    This is a complex civil war. We have done more than enough damage in the ME. The number of civilians killed to date in Syria is minor compared number to the US kills of non-combatants in Iraq.

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    1. The Middle East is very much an interlinked region made up of a variety of States. When the US went in to Iraq it really did shuffle the cards in the region possibly being the spark that ignited the Arab spring. I am not one for first causes but that large action in Iraq has had rippling consequences ever since and makes US complicit in the goings on in the region. Many thousands are currently dying and fleeing the despot Assad. If Assad were to go many Alawites would suffer a similar fate and lord knows what would be the outcome of the various factions duking it out in Syria and elsewhere (Lebanon, Jordan ect.)

      The US played the global cop for awhile, the Hegemon, and now the Chinese fingertrap is exerting its force. The US is damned no matter what it does. I have, for a long time, advocated the building of international institutions (i.e. the International Criminal Court) to help marshal some order to the deadly chaos of the world. Rat, and many others, have advocated against such things preferring US independence of action. Being the Hegemon has its downside.

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    2. "The Middle East is very much an interlinked region made up of a variety of States."

      Brilliant!

      No one had ever thought of that before.

      Now that we know via Ash that the Middle East is very much an interlinked region made up of a variety of States, and can run with that insight.

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    4. "I have, for a long time, advocated the building of international institutions (i.e. the International Criminal Court) to help marshal some order to the deadly chaos of the world."

      That settles it then. We should give up our hard won sovereignty to some "International Criminal Court" sitting in some small meaningless country in Europe.

      The Brilliance continues to shine.

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    5. Well, boobie, that is a much more useful formulation than "Syrian Civil War" as if it existed in a realm all its own separate from the rest of the region. Lebanon and Syria have been joined at the hip for a long time.

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    6. But who is this 'global cop' named Hegemon? Some Greek god of street justice everyone is trying to imitate in our earthy erring ways?

      So Brilliant I can't follow it.

      Can anyone else?

      Help.

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    7. "Well, boobie, that is a much more useful formulation than "Syrian Civil War" as if it existed in a realm all its own separate from the rest of the region. Lebanon and Syria have been joined at the hip for a long time."

      I cannot but totally agree with you, Ash. I never before realized that:

      ""The Middle East is very much an interlinked region made up of a variety of States."

      It certainly 'lights up the landscape', an insight truly on a par with that of Churchill when he once said of Hitler's moving troop trains north from Greece and that area. Then he knew what was coming.

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    8. Well boobie you do seem have been stung by my earlier comments. Sooo sorry old man.

      Who is the global cop named Hegemon you ask? Why the good ole USA has adopted that mantle and it is feeling its weight as well. Many forces pushing it to save those poor dying people with the weight of their death on Americans conscience. 'Something must be done!'.

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    9. To be perfectly the Most Brilliant Ever you might have added, 'and a variety of non-State actors', tho, plus a lot of wanna be Hegemons both from the area and abroad, and even NGO's from all over, plus freaky fundamentalists from all around of all persuasions.

      I know you didn't want to overload us with too much Brilliance at one time.

      "Many thousands are currently dying and fleeing the despot Assad."

      This too was Brilliant. Though of little account against The Big ur-Insight that:

      ""The Middle East is very much an interlinked region made up of a variety of States."

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    10. Not stung Ash, I love your comments, have said so before.

      You and Sam provide the best humor around here.

      Not putting you down but I like Sam's a little better, just the way I am.

      I never feel sorry for Sam like I occasionally do you, maybe that's it.

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    11. Ahhh this anon is too smart to be the boobie. Yeah, an interlinked variety of States is stating the obvious because it is true. The conflict in Syria is not just Syria's conflict and a whole bunch of players are involved (i.e. the Russians as well).

      Whataya propose the US do?

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    12. ole boobie, "out for the day", sticks his nose in after an hour. What else is new? Nothing but anonymous bullshit. Par for the course and down the rabbit hole once again.

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    13. Is it ole boobie, or not? You can't have it both ways.

      The reference to 'Greek gods' argues strongly for boobie, the references to the Brilliance of Ash would arguably not, boobie having stated repeatedly that Ash is a moron, idiot, etc.

      The mystery remains.

      One can look on the 'Bright side' and be relieved that perhaps, just perhaps, at least two people here recognize Ash for what he is, a first rate nitwit.

      There must be others out there too, many, many, or someone would have posted something on the blog Ash created by now.

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    14. My blog was never intended to be a center for discussion. In fact the comments are turned off and I certainly don't plug it here or anywhere for that matter. Deuce has undertaken that task and I wish him well though I don't think the boobie droppings help but that is his call to make.

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    16. Yep, you nailed it Quirk. It is that multi-headed hydra spewing forth yet again. "But it's not me anon cries!"

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  18. Ancient sequoias in danger...drudge

    That would be bad. I hope they put their full force into protecting those.

    Let the homes of the wealthy burn, they can be replaced, but not those magnificent 2,000 year old trees.

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  19. Then there's this:

    >>>POSTED AT 8:01 AM ON AUGUST 26, 2013 BY ED MORRISSEY


    A minister in Benjamin Netanyahu’s Cabinet publicly asserted that Bashar al-Assad and his forces used chemical weapons, and not the rebels in the Damascus suburb, and used them on a mass scale. International Relations Minister Yuval Steintz said it was “crystal clear” that the Syrian army used chemical weapons in the attack last week, arguing that this demonstrates why it is important to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons:

    It is “crystal clear” that Syrian President Bashar Assad used chemical weapons five days ago in an attack that killed hundreds of people, International Relations Minister Yuval Steintz said Monday.

    Although it is true that this is not the first time Assad has used chemical weapons, Steinitz said, saying he has used them two or three times in the past, this is the first time he has used them on a mass scale.

    Steinitz, speaking at a press conference sponsored by the Jerusalem Press Club, said that this was the first time chemical weapons were used on a mass scale against civilians since Saddam Hussein used them two decades ago.

    Picking up on a theme Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu first spoke of publicly on Sunday, Steinitz said that “what happened in Syria should remind us how dangerous it is if Iran is able to complete its military nuclear project and produce atomic bombs.”

    Steinitz said that just as the Syrians used chemical weapons against their own people, the Iranians are capable of using nuclear weapons because, like the Syrians, they have “no moral compunctions.”
    Why is Steintz so convinced it was Assad and not the al-Qaeda affiliates who deployed the chemical weapons? According to the German news magazine Focus, the IDF intercepted high-level communications in the Syrian government at the time, and has the record of orders to use the weapons:

    “According to the findings of Israeli intelligence community, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is responsible for the gas attack in Damascus,” reports the publication.

    According to FOCUS, the Israel Defense Forces Unit 8200, the IDF’s signals intelligence unit, had intercepted communications of the Syrian army during the attack.

    “A former Mossad officer told FOCUS the analysis has clearly shown that the bombardment with poison gas missiles was made by Syrian government forces,” reports the publication.
    A professor at the Naval War College noted on Twitter that the findings were quickly shared with the US and other Western allies, and took a parting dig at Glenn Greenwald:<<<

    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/08/26/idf-intercept-shows-syrian-army-used-chemical-weapons/

    It's understandable, though Deuce would disagree, that Israel would like neighbors on its borders not armed with mega-tons of poison gas and the missiles to deliver them.

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    1. Obvious answer is he don't give a shit about your opinions anyway, so avoid the trouble, and keep blogging.

      You got a bigger and perhaps receptive audience here.

      Make sure to vote against him next time around.

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  21. US Secretary of State John "Agent Orange" Kerry says Syria's use of chemical arms against its own people is a 'moral obscenity' . . .Syria's guilt in chemical attack "clear to the world" he sez. I wonder of Obama will have to turn back in his Nobel Peace Prize after this.





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  22. Britain Gives America a Preview of Obamacare
    By Cal Thomas - August 26, 2013



    PORTSTEWART, Northern Ireland — Each visit to the United Kingdom brings new horror stories about the National Health Service.

    Last month, Sir Bruce Keogh, medical director of the NHS, issued a forensic report, commissioned by the government, which found that 14 underperforming hospitals in England had substandard care, contributing to the needless deaths of nearly 13,000 people since 2005.

    Earlier this year, it was reported that a single hospital in Staffordshire recorded 1,400 "excess" deaths.

    Following the July report, letters from patients and relatives of those who died flooded in to newspapers, Sky News and the BBC. Many confirmed poor treatment, if in fact they or their loved ones were able to receive timely care at all.

    The lack of adequate nursing staff, cuts to elder care budgets and a rise in immigrant populations are a few of the factors that have exacerbated the problem.

    One letter from Grace Nutt to the Sky News web page is typical:

    "I am not surprised at the report at all. In fact the scandal has been going on for longer than the [period from] 2005 the report covers. My daughter was stillborn at Basildon Hospital in 1986.

    "I was days overdue and very, very big, and in a lot of distress but was told go home and come back tomorrow; we don't have enough beds. During the night, my daughter died.

    "The nurse even told me she could hear the heartbeat the following day. I told her she couldn't and it was confirmed by the doctor. The lack of care has been going on for much longer than stated.

    "I am distressed that I did not at the time take the case further and sue, but it's too late now. I hope everyone in similar circumstances makes them pay. D--n you Basildon Hospital."

    Waiting times for many surgeries in the U.K. are notoriously long, but recently have grown longer. The Huffington Post UK reports that according to the NHS's own data, close to three million people "were waiting to begin NHS treatment at the end of June, following a referral by their GP."

    That represents an increase of 240,000 people from the same month last year. The NHS target for treatment following a referral is 18 weeks. The data show 91.7 percent of patients are "seen" within 18 weeks, but being seen and getting surgery or treatment are not the same.

    After the first appointment, patients often get in another line. Some wait additional weeks or months until a surgeon becomes available. Some die while waiting.

    The Daily Telegraph reports the entire system "could collapse within a year without major changes and extra money. Senior doctors likened A-and-E units (accident and emergency) to 'warzones' in May, with medics fighting a losing battle to cope with an increasing tide of patients, while the head of the NHS watchdog said the system had become 'out of control.'"


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    1. This is what happens when big, lumbering, inefficient government seeks to provide health care. Why should the U.K.'s horrid experience with NHS matter to Americans?

      Because if, in a much smaller country, these and other horror stories abound, how much worse could it be when our big, lumbering, inefficient government launches Obamacare? What impact will it have on U.S. hospitals and health care providers?

      Instead of merely mandating insurance coverage to the uninsured, will our government eventually begin dictating what surgeries and treatments it will pay for based on what a bureaucrat deems cost-effective?

      It's only a short step from overseeing health insurance to more intrusive oversight of medical care in general.

      Everyone in the U.K. might have access to health care, but they are often forced to accept inferior health care. Will Obamacare result in Americans patiently waiting four-and-a-half months between a referral and an appointment with a specialist or surgeon?

      Will Americans have to wait weeks, or months, for treatment or surgery, in some cases, risking death?

      With Obamacare scheduled to begin phasing-in on Oct. 1, in order to avoid what Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., has called a "train wreck," these questions need answers.

      CalThomas@tribune.com

      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/08/26/britain_gives_america_a_preview_of_obamacare_119701.html



      Many dare to call it Rue F-Us Care

      It's want happens when you allow fools to vote.

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    2. Rufus thinks because we're bigger, it'll be better, and who are we to judge.

      Central Govt. Rules!

      ...that and upstanding genius Pols like Pelosi, Waxman, Franken, and Barney.

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  23. Bwabwabwahahahahahha --

    "AshMon Aug 26, 03:01:00 PM EDT
    My blog was never intended to be a center for discussion. In fact the comments are turned off..."

    Heheh!!!!:):):)

    WHY THEN DID YOU HAVE A COMMENTS SECTION TO BEGIN WITH?????????????????????????????????

    Ash, you are the most humorous intellectual fraud I've run into in a long time.

    Here you are Ash - 'I didn't get any comments cause I didn't want any comments even though I was open for comments and sure as hell never got any anyways so I shut the comments down. It was never a serious center for discussion anyways.'


    Bwabwabwahahahahhahaha!!!!

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    1. Ash - hint,hint,hint - if you'd get rid of that stupid potato head people might take you more seriously for a day or two, before they get clued in.

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    2. ohhhhh noooo, noooobody trusts a talking potato - what am I to do?


      Fortunately Ideeehoe farmers are no threat and I keep on keeping on.

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    3. Well, it was just a suggestion.

      Don't go thinking you are any internationally famous Idaho Spud though.

      Your might get sued for libel and copyright by the Idaho Potato Producers.

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    4. Huskies vs. Boise State Broncos Aug 31, we're gonna give you a whuppin and send you on your merry.

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    5. If it was the University of Idaho, I'd agree with you.

      Boise State is another matter altogether.

      You might be in for a surprise.

      I'll take Boise State, you take the Huskies, for chortling rights for a week.

      OK?

      I have a bet with the rodent from Arizona. He was certain the Feds would be going after Zimmerman. No sign of that yet.

      The wise never bet against Bob the Seer.

      Even Quirk found that out the hard way.

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    6. How 'bout Bob The Schieffer?

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    7. That's a Mighty Spongey Spud by now...

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    8. Chortle if you got 'em, Bob.

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    9. I think I left a comment there once or twice.
      Probly a Chortle or two.

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  24. Bombing Syria is a good way to take the public's attention away from the miserable failing economy, the high gas prices, the failure to approve the pipeline, Obama's nearly uncountable malfeasances of all kinds and his illegalities, some of which have recently been overturned by some courts, and his continuing lying about all things political, Benghazi, Fast and Furious ad nauseum .

    Expect the bombing to begin soon. Labor Day Weekend might be a good political time, people having time to watch Fox News, go wow!, pass the pop corn, and say to themselves and each other over the steaks and drinks, "Our President Is No Coward!!"

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    1. The President SAYS he's going to bomb the chemical weapons, then the NSA (the same guys Deuce wants to shut down) track where they scurry them off to. The cruise missiles from the Med hit a few aspirin factories, Obama looks strong, meanwhile the IDF takes out the actual chem dumps.

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    2. "The cruise missiles from the Med hit a few aspirin factories, Obama looks strong,"

      ...Worked for Bill.

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    3. How the Dems came to love stand-off bombs.

      Surgical, Germ Free.

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    4. Expensive.

      What's not to like?

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    5. Back when men were men, we proved we were with the Davy Crockett and Little John Nukes.

      Misfires and downwind launches were not for the faint of heart.

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  25. Federal workforce larger than the populations of 21 States.

    Rufie knows that's not big enough.

    Prosperity requires MORE!

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    1. Things won't be right until everyone works for the Feds, no one can be fired without real cause, like murdering a higher up with malice aforethought, salary continues even while on probation, we'll have full employment at long last, no one will care whether you come to 'work' or not, and no one will be on food stamps.

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    2. Dems will then favor Voter ID, in the form of a Federal Paycheck.
      Eventually, voters will required to sign over 1 Fed Check to the Democrat Party.

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  26. Obama and his cruise missiles may hit a gas depot when the wind is wrong and kill a hundred thousand.

    He'll be asleep or on the golf course or headed for Vegas when it happens and his staff will write up some statement or other for him to read off the Teleprompter, with Prompter's approval, the real power in US of A being Prompter, even more powerful than Lester Crown.

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    1. "Hell, it happened, what difference does it make now?" would do.

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    2. S... does happen, now and then.
      It's inevitable.

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    3. The Blanket

      "S... Happens"

      Seems to me to be rhetorical overreach.

      Implies always.

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    4. The Phrase,

      "S... Sometimes happens,"

      Inevitable.

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  28. Good interview on Fox with Mark Fuhrman, who I can't stand, and a black detective whose name I didn't pick up on.

    Seems that the street drug known as Molly - which is MDMA and probably other crap - and is 'sweeping the nation' - might be a contributing factor to all these attacks going on all over.

    wiki here -

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA

    -- sounds not so bad, but -

    http://www.myfoxla.com/story/22276568/has-anyone-seen-molly

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/23/fashion/molly-pure-but-not-so-simple.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    http://www.snopes.com/medical/drugs/molly.asp

    http://wafflesatnoon.com/2013/03/24/molly-dangerous-new-drug/

    Sounds best not to go out with Molly.

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    1. No experience w/Molly, but sure enjoyed Pharmeceutical Grade Dexies from my Dad's store on all nighters before finals, and recreationally w/ethanol.
      Doctor Feelgood Felt Ecstatic.

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    3. Good Lord, Dexies and ethanol!

      What was your mileage like?

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    4. Not bad,

      but on perceived performance,

      it was like injecting nitrous into a big block Chevy.

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      I heard they posted a "Beware of Dug" sign in front of Doug's house.


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    6. Speaking of Nitrous, the one time I got it from a Dentist proved to be really enjoyable.

      Giggled all the way home.

      ...should find a cannister to keep around for the inevitable:

      The kid would not even have to grieve:

      He could always look back on me taking my exit with a giggle.

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    7. I can'teven buy real Sudafed no more:

      My license is expired and the computer says no go.

      Life is hard for isolated old farts.

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    8. Jeez, Doug, that's a bad situation. I can score you some Suds if you want.

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    9. Yeah, NSA would never track it on the trip!

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    10. Is regular beer considered to be a high-fiber diet?

      ...I should probl swear off Coors Light.

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  29. LYING SACKS OF SHIT

    U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry told reporters on Monday that the U.S. has additional information about the alleged chemical weapons attack in Damascus last week.

    Kerry said in a press conference that the number of victims of the attack on Wednesday, the reported symptoms and the accounts of humanitarian organizations strongly indicate that chemical weapons were used in Syria.

    Kerry added that the U.S. believes the regime of president Bashar al-Assad is responsible for the attack, and that the Syrian government’s decision to grant U.N. investigators access to the site of the attack came “too late to be credible.”

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  30. …U.S. has additional information…

    …strongly indicate …

    … U.N. investigators access to the site of the attack came “too late to be credible.”…

    He lying but being the squirrelly motherfucker he has always been he can’t even lie without equivocating

    This bullshit being used to take us to war being cheered on by the Israeli firsters does not exactly come as as a shock



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    1. Usually don't post stuff from WND, but they are not always wrong, so here -

      http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/video-shows-rebels-launching-gas-attack-in-syria/

      When they talk about religion at WND they drive me nuts.

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    2. One of their 'gas canisters' looks like a fire extinguisher to me, but other than that....make up your mind.

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    4. A lapsed Catholic hanging on to the old prejudices is all I can figure. Deuce has some great qualities but it does seem he has a kind of tunnel vision on this one.

      Just one man's opinion.

      It is true that Syria and Israel are in a state of war, legally, and practically too, no peace treaty ever having been signed between the two, if I have it right.

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    5. Old man Assad had been raining artillery down from the Golan Heights onto Jewish settlements, and when the war came along decided to join in for the possible plunder, and, getting his ass handed to him in David's Sling, went into a long term funk, refusing to admit he been whupped. IIRC. Thus, the continuing state of war.

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    7. I picked up somewhere, O Noble Quirk, that Deuce was raised Catholic, and now seems a self cursed doubter of some type. I recall too how he put poor Ash in the Dunce Seat for a full week, for slandering and mocking his birth religion.

      In the days of Deuce's youth the Jews were often thought of, and declared to be too, and taught by the Catholics to be Christ killers, the worst of humanity. Martin Luther said as much, and even worse, as well.

      His attitude towards Israel does not seem fair and balanced., and I speculate it is a holdover from earlier days and attitudes, O Quirk.



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    8. For instance, as well he made a comment about the coronatin of the new Pope, and how to expect the mockery to begin, revealing an emotion tie to the Catholic Church.

      I like ceremonies like that myself, totally lacking in most Protestant churches, and surely in my birth church, which has become political, riteless, more concerned about the transgendered than is healthy, debating whether to boycott Israel, etc. Old style Lutherans are leaving in droves, many starting their own alternative Lutheran Churches, and rueing the day when the ELCA was formed. It has been downhill ever since that time.

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    9. I think occasionally of you Quirk in the same terms. Were you not raised Catholic>

      The only glorious thing about Lutheranism is that we are told to read the Gospels for ourselves, and come to our own informed opinion concerning them. I hope I have done that, whether my views are correct or not, and at least they are my views, and not those of the hierarchy, which we lack as well, thank goodness.

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    10. Once a Catholic, always a Catholic, as the old saying has it.

      Not so among the Lutes.

      I'm about as doctrinaire a Christian as WiO.

      Do like some good singing however.

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      The last was obviously meant for Anonymous-Bob.


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  31. Assad should put the gas canisters/shells in the basements of apartment complexes, high rises, mosques, churches, if there are any left, and PETA facilities all across that fair land.

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    1. Introduced by The Smothers Brothers no less!

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      Some good old boys woulda taken them out!

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