Tuesday, August 23, 2011

What Real People Know

What real people know – and have known for quite a long time – is that the great tacit agreement which once held civic life together has been deliberately blown apart. There was a time within living memory when all reasonable grown-ups were considered to be on the same side. Parents, teachers, police, judges, politicians – decent citizens of every station and calling – formed an unspoken confederacy to uphold standards of behaviour within their own communities. But their shared values and expectations about human conduct were systematically undermined by a post-Sixties political ideology that preached wholesale disrespect for authority, and legitimised anti-social activity in the name of protest.

What real people saw on their television screens this fateful summer seemed to them to be the final vindication of their instinctive judgment: they may have been shocked but, on some level at least, they were not surprised that it had come to this. What else were these terrible events but the definitive disproof of a doctrine that had subverted adult authority in all its official and unofficial forms?
That doctrine goes back a long way. In fact, the politics of the Sixties were just a late incarnation of an 18th-century philosophy. We have Jean-Jacques Rousseau to thank for the basic principle that men are born good and will only behave badly if they are corrupted by authority and repressive institutions: that we need only liberate them from those false limitations and their natural moral instincts will come to the fore.

The capacity for self-control, and the willingness to suppress one’s innate selfishness or cruelty, is something that adults must consciously instil in children and reinforce in other adults by their attitudes to them. The indispensable tools of social stigma and moral judgment that communities used to have at their disposal for this purpose have been stripped away, and the result – the fearless defiance of helpless authority – is what we saw in its terrifying logical conclusion on the streets. That is what real people know: that they were right all along.

Edited version of Janet Daley's
UK riots: The end of the liberals’ great moral delusionRead in full here

77 comments:

  1. Anyone following this blog for some time knows that this product of the Sixties despises the Sixties and its caustic legacy. This article is truth to the pustular lie of the rotters of diversity and moral equivalence.

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  2. I saw a "long, hot Summer."

    Seen it before (Watts, N. Miami, etc,) and will see it again.

    It wasn't nearly as bad this time, though.

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  3. What I see coming has the potential of being a lot like the "30'a," however.

    We need to be very, very careful. Demagogues will abound.

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  4. "Grown-ups" don't like change; and, change is a'comin.'

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  5. The entire post should be read. A similar situation has the potential to erupt here in the U.S. as our president advances his class warfare baloney. I find myself wondering what the far left universities advancing the white privilege concepts, and always portraying the African American as a victim unable to compete with the greedy white folks will do when a flash mob effects their family. I find myself wondering who will take responsibility for the violence that can likely erupt when one side is encouraged to be jealous and the other side is portrayed as racist and selfish. It becomes all too apparent that someone, in some dark place has an agenda when these ideas dominate what was once intended to be used to find truth, liberal arts education. I am being educated by people that push ideas of racism and class envy because it is they who suffer from these sins, not me. Only someone who is biased towards a certain group could possibly label another with something as damaging as racism and not seriously consider the harmful affects. Even as incidents of racial violence begin to emerge across the U.S., this narrative of everything being the fault of racist white men blindly continues. It is madness.

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  6. China is worried about Libya, the money part of course

    BEIJING, Aug 23 (Reuters) - China on Tuesday urged Libya to protect its investments and said their oil trade benefited both countries, after a Libyan rebel warned that Chinese oil companies could lose out after the ousting of Muammar Gaddafi.

    The deputy head of the Chinese Ministry of Commerce's trade department, Wen Zhongliang, was responding to a question about the official at the Libyan rebel-run oil firm, AGOCO, who said Russian and Chinese firms could lose out on oil contracts for failing to back the rebellion against Gaddafi.

    "China's investment in Libya, especially its oil investment, is one aspect of mutual economic cooperation between China and Libya, and this cooperation is in the mutual interest of both the people of China and Libya," the commerce official Wen told a news conference.

    "We hope that after a return to stability in Libya, Libya will continue to protect the interests and rights of Chinese investors and we hope to continue investment and economic cooperation with Libya," said Wen.

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  7. Somehow, we are going to have to restore trust that the operations of government and the law are not at odds with the moral inclinations of conscientious citizens. Basic to this will be the acceptance that we do not have to explain – to find legitimate reasons for – acts of wickedness: that people can do bad things for no good reason at all, and that destructive and vicious impulses are, sadly, as “natural” as charitable ones. It is futile to go on asking why the riots happened, when the question that was on the minds of most of the rioters was not “Why?” but “Why not?”

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  8. Moreover, what exactly makes you think that the new Libyan regime will not participate with China? They will and that adds to the world's oil supply, which means that if we buy from Libya, other countries and other American producers will sell to other countries, thus lowering the market price for all. Oil is the most fungible good ever produced. All of this was taught in Economics 101. Maybe you missed that week.

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  9. Young people raise hell from time to time.

    We used to send'em off to war, but wars just aren't that manpower-intensive anymore.

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  10. All of this was taught in Economics 101. Maybe you missed that week.

    Oh, you took that course did you?

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  11. The relevant course was: "The Realities of the Oil Trade among Nations."

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  12. "And, How it Changes When Oil Hits Its Maximum Flow Rate."

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  13. Gaddafi had been a reliable supplier of oil to Europe through all kinds of political storms.

    He was pretty much bullet-proof until he started studying "Chinese."

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  14. 85% of the Persian Gulf oil goes to Asia, as it is. Europe couldn't stand by and watch that N. African light sweet go East as well.

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  15. Same Store Sales Down 1.0% for the week; following a negative 1.5% drop the previous week.

    Year on Year also fell from 3.5 to 3.0%.

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  16. Well, the good news is that gun sales rose 2.7% in 2010 over 2009.

    At least there are some growth industries in a down economy.

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  17. Roger, ex-pat in LATue Aug 23, 08:50:00 AM EDT

    I can understand why people about the pictures that were beamed into their living room, making them feel they were being violated too.

    It is just a shame the people don't feel the same way about bankers and international financiers...

    If people could see them actually bankrupting the nation by driving money out of the country then start being angry and demanding prosecutions of these looters - because ultimately it is the exact same thing.

    The English rioters and looters caused losses in the millions - bankers have caused losses of trillions - and the government is looting all of us covering the losses caused by international fraudsters looting Greek Banks, Irish Banks, Spanish Banks, Italian Banks etc.

    Just because you saw the looting on your TV screen does not actually make the crime worse than the crimes of the bankers, international financiers, the international credit rating agencies.

    These are the real rioters and looters.

    I would suggest your anger is way out of proportion because international financiers and this government are looting not just our pockets but our childrens and our grandchildrens with the international debt they have piled on taxpayers and International fraudsters on Wall Street who sold all the junk debt and then were baled by the Fed.

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  18. And, That was just from "Operation Gunrunner." ;)

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  19. The so-called "Arab Spring" is a figment of the imagination of those who believe they can wish reality away. The idea that there is a real democratic movement in countries such as Egypt is fanciful. Our only friend in the middle east is Israel, something the Obama administration and some in The Elephant Bar will not recognize.

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  20. Countries have interests, they NEVER have "Friends".

    To think that countries do, childish.

    Israel is equivalent to Lebanon and Jordon, just another small and insignificant country that is looking, longingly, for another handout from Uncle Sugar.

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  21. As to the idea that the culture has coarsened over time, preposterous.

    The "Mob" has always been with us.

    It killed "James the Just", on the steps of the temple, in Jerusalem.
    About two thousand years ago.

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  22. Our only friend in the middle east is Israel, something the Obama administration and some in The Elephant Bar will not recognize.

    With friends like these...

    1. USS Liberty
    2. Jonathan Pollard
    3. Suez Crisis
    4. Settlements in the West Bank.
    5. Military sales to China
    6. Non-signatory to NPT.
    7. ???

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  23. .

    AFL-CIO Forms super PAC: The AFL-CIO labor coalition is the latest entrant on the increasingly-crowded ‘super PAC’ scene.

    The new political action committee would allow labor organizations to raise unlimited amounts of money and steer more money to state legislative fights like the one just fought in Wisconsin. These PACs, made possible by last year’s Citizens United Supreme Court decision, cannot coordinate with candidates.

    “The essential idea is that changes in the law for the first time really allow the labor movement to speak directly to workers, whether they have collective bargaining agreements or not,” AFL-CIO political director Michael Podhorzer told the AP. “Before, most political resources went to our own membership.”


    Heck, even Stephen Colbert can form a 'super-pac' now.

    The EB should form it's own PAC. Of course it's platform would be a pretty diverse one.

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  24. It killed "James the Just", on the steps of the temple, in Jerusalem.
    About two thousand years ago.


    Brother James didn't follow the script. The elders and scribes and Sadducees told him to stand there and renounce this Yeshua the Nazarine, but James said he was the Son of God, so they threw him off the temple parapet. Then James didn't have the courtesy to die from his fall, so they stoned him, but he just got on his knees and begged God to forgive his attackers. That was unacceptable. Finally a textile worker took the staff he used to wring out the garments he dyed, hurled it directly at the head of James, and smote him dead.

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  25. Some assistant professor got the semester off right by blowing away his girl friend last night and is now holed up in the University Best Western with every cop in the county surrounding the place and the tear gas is afiring into his room. I could hardly get my way through to the gas station to get the morning paper.

    On top of that I got to wake up and read shit like this -

    desert rat said...

    As to the idea that the culture has coarsened over time, preposterous.

    The "Mob" has always been with us.

    It killed "James the Just", on the steps of the temple, in Jerusalem.
    About two thousand years ago.

    Tue Aug 23, 09:32:00 AM EDT


    Totally meaningless shit.

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  26. What was your take for the big boy, Quirk?

    Are you heading for Vegas?

    I could still meet you there.

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  27. Meaningful enough to cause you to reply, boobie.

    With another of your childish responses, it's true.

    Makes me laugh.

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  28. The ongoing trials and tribulations of mankind are well illustrated in the Abrahamic holy books.

    The tale of James the Just and the Mob, why it holds many analogies to modern life.

    That many today hold those lessons as being meaningless, more telling of them than the tale.

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  29. Tue Aug 23, 09:37:00 AM EDT
    Teresita said...

    It killed "James the Just", on the steps of the temple, in Jerusalem.
    About two thousand years ago.

    Brother James didn't follow the script. The elders and scribes and Sadducees told him to stand there and renounce this Yeshua the Nazarine, but James said he was the Son of God, so they threw him off the temple parapet. Then James didn't have the courtesy to die from his fall, so they stoned him, but he just got on his knees and begged God to forgive his attackers. That was unacceptable. Finally a textile worker took the staff he used to wring out the garments he dyed, hurled it directly at the head of James, and smote him dead.

    Tue Aug 23, 09:40:00 AM EDT


    Ah shit.

    There seems to have been a James the Just but what the hell really happened to him is something of head scratcher.


    There certainly could have used video/cams in those days.



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  30. Goodmorning, yobboidiotrat.

    Goodmorning to thee, and thy thoughtlessness.


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  31. Are you sinking further into dementia, boob?

    Did you find a professional diagnostician?

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  32. That assistant professor's gotta be dead in there by now, either from a self inflicted bullet to the head or too much tear gas (can you die from tear gas?).

    It's just too quiet now.

    Certainly made my breakfast an exciting experience.

    Reporting on the ground....

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  33. And thy great knowledge (nonexistent) of all things Biblical.

    Keep religion away from illiterates, please, please, please.

    Homeward bound...

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  34. Yes, boob, tear gas can cause respiratory failure.

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  35. .

    I could still meet you there.




    No thanks.

    Beer taster sounded prety good. Shit shoveler? Not so much.

    I no longer need job security.

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  37. .

    Keep religion away from illiterates, please, please, please.



    All religion is based on faith. You should know that. It doesn't take someone to be literate to get it (whatever the it is).

    The Bible is a literary triumph but not a literal one. Like the Ilead or the Aeneid, great literature expressing the mythos of a people.

    The individual Bible stories are illustrative in pointing out the strengths and weaknesses of man; but then Huckelberry Finn does the same thing. The difference between the two books is the Bible's emphasis on the Jews relationship with God which, in this world, will always be a matter of faith.


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  38. I was just referencing the mysteries of James the Just, Quirk, whoever he may or may not have been.

    But, rat would surely know.


    All religion is based on faith. You should know that.

    Not in Hinduland, not in Buddhism, tis based on (claimed) experiences. Not for the NDE'rs but you should know that. Not for Whitman, not for Roethke, but you should know that by now.

    Faith, gubby crutch for mere schoolchildren.

    Now I know it is true, what I guess once such a transparent summer morning

    The first heaven of knowing

    etc


    No Vegas trip?

    Please.

    How bout at least the Hotel Nevada?

    I'll even take you off the shit shovelin' crew. You can't be that angry at me.

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  39. grubby, not gubby, grubby, got carried away, en-thused, with ma theme

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  40. The Bible in its early parts is one hell of a great war poem.

    There wasn't much mercy in them early days.

    Mercy seems to be a trait learned through getting shit knocked out of you later.

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  41. And Kierkegaard can go eat pure alfalfa with his leap of faith and get colic, like a horse.


    This crisis at the Best Western seems to be over. The "all clear" signal has been sent out to the students, my daughter informs me.

    This miracle of early warning and all clear must have been brought to us by Homeland Security.

    I also find you can rent a ZIP car on campus for a day for eight bucks, max mileage a 140 miles, if you got a university ID card. This miracle of transportation must have been brought to us by the Federal Transportation Department.

    Going to college ain't what it used to be. I'd be lost.

    Who says Big Government doesn't work?

    :)


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  42. The surprise appearance of Seif el-Islam Gadhafi, seen as a possible successor to Col. Gadhafi and thought to have been captured by the rebels a day earlier, punctured early hopes of a rapid regime collapse. Seif el-Islam showed up at a Tripoli hotel early Tuesday morning local time and in a defiant move invited foreign journalists on a tour of the city, claiming the regime is winning the fight against the rebels.

    "My father is safe and in Tripoli... They (rebels) said they control Libya, they can't. Tripoli is under our control," he told reporters.

    What if there is still fighting in Tripoli and other parts of Libya in a couple of weeks? A month? Gaddafi still commands the loyalty of his tribe and still has heavy weapons that the rebels can't counter. This fight is not over yet and the premature celebrations by Democrats and the left may come back to haunt them if the war drags on.





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    Ranger Joe 48 minutes ago
    This is an ancient culture grounded in lies, deception, and illusion. Classic taqiyya. They're expert at it. John of Damascus...who was raised up in 8th century Islamic culture...said in his famous critique...that they were the biggest plagiarists of all time and warned posterity of what they were capable of. They watch Hollywood movies with their convincing special effects magic and employ the same production values to hornswaggle the rubes. The more educated be the rube...the easier they are to hornswaggle because they lack ordinary common sense. They have yet to evolve an accurate BS meter.



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  43. .

    Not in Hinduland, not in Buddhism, tis based on (claimed) experiences. Not for the NDE'rs but you should know that. Not for Whitman, not for Roethke, but you should know that by now.




    You amaze me.

    Shiva and Vishnu, magic mushrooms and LSD, philosophers and poets, trying to explain the transcendental thru "experiencing it".

    Forget Las Vegas, meet me at Roswell.

    In the absence of faith one needs proof, replicable evidence. Don't give me quotes from some mystic Bobbo. Give me evidence.

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  44. Kierkegaard would have been a happy man if that skirt had just said yes instead of no and I bet we wouldn't have heard about any leaps of faith.

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  45. As William James pointed pointed out long ago the experience is proof apodictical to those that have it.

    Maybe we'd have a mystical apodictic moment at the roulette tables?

    I got to run.

    Actually, bike, to the auto body shop.

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  46. Try to get it Quirk, the experience itself is its own evidence, apodictical. (always liked that word)

    tata

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    As William James pointed pointed out long ago the experience is proof apodictical to those that have it.




    Def: ap·o·dic·tic   adj.

    1. incontestable because of having been demonstrated or proved to be demonstrable.
    2. Logic . (of a proposition) necessarily true or logically certain.


    Rather than reading William James and quoting him out of context, you would be better off consulting a dictionary. I've given you the definition of apodictic above. Now look up transcendental. (Also, look up the word before it and after it as this will help you build your vocabulary.) Then, Finally, get and read a book on logic.

    Finally, look up the meaning of the words 'faith' and 'scientific evidence'.

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  48. Here is all the evidence you need. All miracles reported in all ancient faiths were technologically in context with the time. Had Moses come down the mount with an iPad instead of two stone tablets, or Jesus crossed the Sea of Galilee on a jet-ski, they would have been miracles.

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    There is nothing wrong with faith.
    Just don't mix it up with evidence.

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  50. I'll be damned we just had an earthquake in philadelphia!

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  51. 5.9? We eat those for lunch on the Best Coast.

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  52. I know but up here they are as rare as a blizzard in New Orleans.

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  53. Oh hell Quirk you strain knats but swallow camels.

    If I had my James I'd look up and see the word he used, but you're smart enough to get my meaning.

    It's a certitude to them that have had the experience but has no traction with those that haven't.

    Your medieval lady saints didn't talk all that much about logic.

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  54. .

    ...you strain knats but swallow camels.

    :)

    Don't think I've heard that one before.

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  55. Was new to me too. Just made it up.


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  56. Fed Predicts 15 YEAR Bear Market

    Many of us here may well be dead before this sucker is over.

    Gratefully Dead.

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  57. 1. USS Liberty
    2. Jonathan Pollard
    3. Suez Crisis
    4. Settlements in the West Bank.
    5. Military sales to China
    6. Non-signatory to NPT.


    1. for those who believe also in UFO abductions

    2. Pollard is a traitor, but then so were the repatriated Russians

    3. Eisenhower admitted later that he had made a terrible error in foreign policy

    4. Until there is a settlement, per the UN the land is up for grabs, belonging to no one.

    5. Israel may sell proprietary goods to anyone. At least, unlike the US, it is getting paid for the transfer.

    6. no law requires Israel to sign on ... It is a free country.

    You are improving: 1/6 is better than usual.

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  58. sorry...the Russians were not traitors...they were just plain jane spies - of the sort that call for special rendition

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  59. That means you get Pollard without qualification. But I gave you full credit in the first instance.

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  60. desert rat said...
    Countries have interests, they NEVER have "Friends".

    To think that countries do, childish.

    Israel is equivalent to Lebanon and Jordon, just another small and insignificant country that is looking, longingly, for another handout from Uncle Sugar.



    Spoken like the Israel hating, Jew hating, ZIonist hating nazi we all have come to know and dislike...

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  61. WiO,

    You really cannot pay attention to DR - a guy who thinks the GDP of Israel and the rest of the Arab world (his world) are equivalent.

    This is a guy who needs a 100mm bottle rocket up his rectum (Note: I did not use "anus", which not the same thing at all :-) to appreciate how it feels to have bad boys shelling you (Having never, himself, been in combat, he has no frame of reference - without being crude, he cannot distinguish between masturbation and making love to a woman, believing that ejaculation is all the same - sad for his partner, sad for himself).

    This is a guy who thinks the accidental killing (if true) of a Palestinian child is equivalent to the brutal decapitation of an Israeli infant in her crib by an Arab warrior.

    What can you say about a guy who cannot distinguish between self-defense and murder because there are dead bodies in both cases? Go figure, a product of the American secondary (?) school system {Yes, I know: The above is not a sentence].

    Keep your BP under control!

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  62. Khadafy's son Saif al Islam, whom the rebels had initially reported under arrest, showed up at Tripoli's Rixos Hotel Tuesday morning and told startled journalists his father and family were still in the capital -- but declined to say where.

    ...

    In the hours that led up to the storming of the compound in central Tripoli, the sound of the fighting was the most intense heard in the city since rebels arrived three days ago.

    A nearby hospital received many casualties and was struggling to cope. At least two people were killed and several others hurt, including a young child, in clashes near the compound, doctors said.

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  63. Teresita:5. Military sales to China

    Allen:5. Israel may sell proprietary goods to anyone. At least, unlike the US, it is getting paid for the transfer.


    Ah yes, but if I'm the player with the battleship token and I give the player with the head tefillin token a $3 billion dollar property like Park Place, and then he turns around and makes $7.2 billion selling Park Place and Boardwalk to the player using the kitchen god token, when I land my battleship on those properties and have to pay a trillion yuan I'm not going to think it was a friendly thing for the head tefillin player to do, even if he followed all the rules.

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  64. RCP average:

    Romney +1.8 over Perry.

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  65. In September, the U.N. General Assembly will vote on whether to recognize Palestine as an independent and sovereign state with full rights in the United Nations. In many ways, this would appear to be a reasonable and logical step.

    ...

    Let’s begin with the issue not of the right of a nation to have a state but of the nature of a Palestinian state under current circumstances. The Palestinians are split into two major factions.

    ...

    Egypt is the power that geographically isolates Hamas through its treaty with Israel and with its still-functional blockade on Gaza. More than anyone, Hamas needs genuine regime change in Egypt.


    Crisis Approaching

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  66. Japan's Daily Yomiuri reports that land within a 3km (about 1.8 miles) of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant "likely will be kept off-limits for an extended period--possibly for several decades"

    All the mutant zombies there are very dangerous.

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  67. Republicans need to gain four seats to win control of the chamber — a very attainable goal given that 23 of the 33 seats up for election are currently under Democratic control.

    The GOP is currently favored by many experts to take Democratic seats in North Dakota and Nebraska. Beyond that, there are seats in 10 or 12 states that are in play.

    The high stakes involved will make 2012 the fourth straight election cycle in which enough seats are in play to potentially switch control of the majority.

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  68. T,

    I know you will never believe this but the 3 billion is the best spent money the US will ever make.

    Now, if we are talking about selling to the Chinese technology the US has paid for, that is a different matter. But as you may admit, that was not the objection of DoD; rather, DoD expected Israel to behave like a "good friend" and simply withdraw from the deal and suffer the loss.

    Do not misunderstand me: The US has been a good friend, on occasion (look at General Al Haig). But the policy of the US is very often like a yoyo.

    As I have said before, on scores of occasions, it is my opinion that both countries would benefit from arms-length transactions. If the US will abandon the fiction of being Israel's best bud and cut off the graft, Israel will adjust. Otherwise, it's like giving the keys to the car to your kid and expecting ... what?

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  69. Libya: Gaddafi regime could unleash chemical weapons stockpile

    When you have the hog on the end of the spear, gut it.

    Surely, the Colonel had no biologic or nuclear gimmies.

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  70. Yesterday in Atlanta (undisclosed time and place) I observed a long train carrying desert ready battle tanks. The last time I saw main battle tanks being shipped in broad daylight was many years ago during the reign of Saddam. What and if the movement means anything remains to be seen. Maybe I should get down to Georgia's port at Brunswick.

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  71. Also yesterday, a UN human-rights expert said Arab nations agreed to demand that Syria allow an international probe within its borders to see whether crimes against humanity have been committed.

    ...

    A witness said a few thousand people converged on the main square in Homs known as Clock Square yesterday after they heard that a UN humanitarian team was to visit the city.

    He said security forces opened fire on the protesters, killing one and wounding several others.

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  72. A drunk gets up from the bar stool at Zaveral's and heads for the bathroom.



    A few minutes later, a loud, blood curdling scream is heard coming from the bathroom.



    A few minutes after that, another loud scream reverberates through the bar.



    Gary goes into the bathroom to investigate why the drunk is screaming.



    "What's all the screaming about in there?" he yells' "You're scaring the hell out of all my customers!"



    "I'm just sitting here on the toilet," slurs the drunk, "and every time I try to flush, something comes up and squeezes the hell out of my nuts!"



    Gary opens the door, looks in, and says, "You idiot! You're sitting on the mop bucket!"

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  73. Only a true idiot would claim moral superiority, based upon the economics of thievery and the politics of Jim Crow.

    In fact, the idiots then provide numerous links providing proofs of the moral equivalency.

    All that positive GDP data, and the Israelis still kill Jewish souls, because their people cannot afford to raise the children.

    As over 200,000 Israeli take to the streets in protest of their GDP successes not "trickling down".

    Killing their own children, due to the costs of their government.

    King Herod lives!

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