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Tuesday, March 22, 2011

Plan To Destroy JP Morgan, Crash The Stock Market, And Redistribute Wealth In America







LISTEN TO THE SHITBIRD, OBAMA,  WHO IS POTUS TALKING ABOUT HIS SEIU MEMBERSHIP  AND  SUPPORT FROM THEN AND TO THEM. HAD ENOUGH CHANGE YET?

Business Insider:

Caught on Tape:

The Left’s Economic Terrorism Playbook:
The Chase Campaign by a Coalition of Unions, Community Groups, Lawmakers and Students to Take Down US Capitalism and Redistribute Wealth & Power Politics


Steven Lerner, formerly of SEIU.
A former official of one of the country's most-powerful unions, SEIU, is detailing a secret plan to "destabilize" the country.

Specifically, the plan seeks to destroy JP Morgan, nuke the stock market, and weaken Wall Street's grip on power, thus creating the conditions necessary for a redistribution of wealth and a change in government.

The former SEIU official, Steven Lerner, spoke in a closed session at a Pace University forum last weekend.

The Blaze procured what appears to be a tape of Lerner's remarks. Many Americans will undoubtely sympathize with and support them. Still, the "destabilization" plan is startling in its specificity, especially coming so close on the heels of the financial crisis.

OBAMA"S GUY, STEVEN LERNER
"How do we bring down the stock market
How do we bring down their bonuses
How do we interfere with there ability to be rich...
So a bunch of us around the country think who would be a really good company to hate we decided that would be JP Morgan Chase and so we are going to roll out over the next couple of months what would hopefully be an exciting campaign about JP Morgan Chase that is really about challenge the power of Wall Street."
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And so what we are looking at is the first week in May can we get enough people together starting now to really have an week of action in New York I don't want to give any details because I don't know if there are any police agents in the room.

The goal would be that we will roll out of New York the first week of May. We will connect three ideas


Lerner said that unions and community organizations are, for all intents and purposes, dead. The only way to achieve their goals, therefore--the redistribution of wealth and the return of "$17 trillion" stolen from the middle class by Wall Street--is to "destabilize the country."

Lerner's plan is to organize a mass, coordinated "strike" on mortgage, student loan, and local government debt payments--thus bringing the banks to the edge of insolvency and forcing them to renegotiate the terms of the loans. This destabilization and turmoil, Lerner hopes, will also crash the stock market, isolating the banking class and allowing for a transfer of power.

Lerner's plan starts by attacking JP Morgan Chase in early May, with demonstrations on Wall Street, protests at the annual shareholder meeting, and then calls for a coordinated mortgage strike.

Lerner also says explicitly that, although the attack will benefit labor unions, it cannot be seen as being organized by them. It must therefore be run by community organizations.

Lerner was ousted from SEIU last November, reportedly for spending millions of the union's dollars trying to pursue a plan like the one he details here. It is not clear what, if any, power and influence he currently wields. His main message--that Wall Street won the financial crisis, that inequality in this country is hitting record levels, and that there appears to be no other way to stop the trend--will almost certainly resonate.

A transcript of Lerner's full reported remarks is below, courtesy of The Blaze. We have heard the tape, but we have not independently verified that the voice is Lerner's. You can listen to the tape here.

Here are the key remarks:

Unions are almost dead. We cannot survive doing what we do but the simple fact of the matter is community organizations are almost dead also. And if you think about what we need to do it may give us some direction which is essentially what the folks that are in charge - the big banks and everything - what they want is stability.

There are actually extraordinary things we could do right now to start to destabilize the folks that are in power and start to rebuild a movement.

For example, 10% of homeowners are underwater right their home they are paying more for it then its worth 10% of those people are in strategic default, meaning they are refusing to pay but they are staying in their home that's totally spontaneous they figured out it takes a year to kick me out of my home because foreclosure is backed up

If you could double that number you would you could put banks at the edge of insolvency again.

Students have a trillion dollar debt

We have an entire economy that is built on debt and banks so the question would be what would happen if we organized homeowners in mass to do a mortgage strike if we get half a million people to agree it would literally cause a new finical crisis for the banks not for us we would be doing quite well we wouldn't be paying anything...

We have to think much more creatively. The key thing... What does the other side fear the most - they fear disruption. They fear uncertainty. Every article about Europe says in they rioted in Greece the markets went down

The folks that control this country care about one thing how the stock market goes what the bond market does how the bonuses goes. We have a very simple strategy:

How do we bring down the stock market
How do we bring down their bonuses
How do we interfere with there ability to be rich...
So a bunch of us around the country think who would be a really good company to hate we decided that would be JP Morgan Chase and so we are going to roll out over the next couple of months what would hopefully be an exciting campaign about JP Morgan Chase that is really about challenge the power of Wall Street.

And so what we are looking at is the first week in May can we get enough people together starting now to really have an week of action in New York I don't want to give any details because I don't know if there are any police agents in the room.

The goal would be that we will roll out of New York the first week of May. We will connect three ideas

that we are not broke there is plenty of money
they have the money - we need to get it back
and that they are using Bloomberg and other people in government as the vehicle to try and destroy us

And so we need to take on those folks at the same time.
And that we will start here we are going to look at a week of civil disobedience - direct action all over the city. Then roll into the JP Morgan shareholder meeting which they moved out of New York because I guess they were afraid because of Columbus.

There is going to be a ten state mobilization to try and shut down that meeting and then looking at bank shareholder meetings around the country and try and create some moments like Madison except where we are on offense instead of defense
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Where we have brave and heroic battles challenging the power of the giant corporations. We hope to inspire a much bigger movement about redistributing wealth and power in the country and that labor can’t do itself that community groups can’t do themselves but maybe we can work something new and different that can be brave enough and daring and nimble enough to do that kind of thing.



FULL TRANSCRIPT FROM THE BLAZE

SPEAKER: Steven Lerner. Speaker at the Left Forum 2011 "Towards a Politics of Solidarity" Pace University March 19, 2011

Speaker Bio:
Stephen Lerner is the architect of the SEIU's groundbreaking Justice for Janitors campaign.
He led the union's banking and finance campaign and has partnered with unions and groups in Europe, South American and elsewhere in campaigns to hold financial institutions accountable.

As director of the union's private equity project, he launched a long campaign to expose the over-leveraged feeding frenzy of private equity firms during the boom years that led to the ensuing economic disaster.

TRANSCRIPT Follows @ Business Insider:

69 comments:

  1. Lerner was behind the organization which sent union mobs to the homes of CEOs and etc.

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  2. Almost comical if it wasn't so pathetic

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  3. Guess Mr Lerner thinks that having a Community Organizer in the White House is a sign that community organizations are dying, powerless in the United States, today.

    A view not shared by many, here.

    So, the basic premise, the starting point of his plan is denied much validity.

    It would seem that many of the posters here at the EB agree with his other perception, though. That the "Banks & Wall Street" have been rescued by the Federals, while Main Street has been left to its own devices with regards the economic recovery.

    That the Dow Jones Industrial Average reaching up to the 12,000 range is not indicative of economic recovery, especially with gasoline reaching for $4.00 per gallon.

    This Mr Lerner, he does want to take politics "To the Streets".
    Like in Egypt.

    As some have advocated for, here.

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  4. Apocalypse now Bitches!

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    I like Elizabeth Warren.

    On CNBC she was interviewed by three of the correspondents. All they asked her about was GOP complaints about her and the new Consumer protection Agency. About five minutes of GOP talking points.

    She answered directly and shot down every point that was raised. She looked intelligent, competant, and forceful.

    At the end, Melissa Francis was breathing hard and appeared ready to puke.

    Entertaining.

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  6. This is an amazing revelation of what we have in the White House. Not much new to the EB

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  7. It would appear, Deuce, that Mr Obama is having none of Mr Learner's kool-aid.

    No, none indeed.

    Or JP Morgan Chase would not need to be "targeted".

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  8. Every time another colleague, friend, and supporter of Obama oozes to the surface it arrives with the same stench.

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  9. We had a parrot in Hawaii that we taught to say "I'm a shitbird, I'm a shitbird" when someone walked into the room. Always got a laugh. I always hear that echoing in my mind whenever Obama walks onstage.

    The guy Rufus is going to vote for.

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  10. Time for a Hu Dat update....I am growing bored.

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  11. This reminds me of Bin Laden and the way he operates.I envision Bin Laden having a similar meeting with his underlings. "Hey if WE can get a bunch of people to strap bombs on themselves and blow themselves up in crowed areas, WE can cause mass distruction." Yet Bin Laden hides and convinces others with weak minds to do his dirty work in the name of Allah.

    Lerner uses the word WE, very casually also, as he will be directing all this disruption from a safe place, much like Bin Laden. It's the WEs who will be in danger of getting arrested, losing their homes, etc., not him.

    What a chicken shit.

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  12. .

    Admiral Locklear provided no further details, but Channel 4 News in Britain said that six villagers were shot by American troops during the rescue operation. None of the villagers — who were interviewed by a Channel 4 reporter in a nearby hospital — were killed, though a small boy could have a leg amputated. The United States military said it was investigating the reports...

    Move along.

    Nothing to see here but collateral damage.

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  13. Next we'll probably hit a convent, orphanage or Chinese Consulate.

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  14. I love the smell of cluster fuck in the morning.

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  15. Following Q's link:

    The first confirmed casualties of the allied operation, the Channel Four's International Editor Lindsey Hilsum confirmed the civilian casualties.
    The crew of the fighter plane had enjoyed a miraculous escape after suffering suspected mechanical failure during the third night of air strikes on Colonel Gaddafi's military positions.
    As one crew member was surrounded by locals, he held his arms out, calling 'okay, okay', according to the Evening Standard - but the grateful Libyans queued to thank him and give him juice.
    Younis Amruni told the newspaper: 'I hugged him and said "Don't be scared, we are your friends". We are so grateful to these men who are protecting the skies.'
    The plane, based at RAF Lakenheath in Suffolk, had set off from Aviano in Italy but came down at Bu Mariem, some 24 miles east of Benghazi.
    The jet's wreckage is set to be recovered or destroyed by the Americans, to prevent the plant coming into Gaddafi's hands, while the crew were seen by a doctor in the rebel stronghold before being taken to a U.S. ship.



    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1368633/Libya-war-US-chopper-shoots-6-villagers-welcomed-Air-Force-F-15-crash-pilots.html#ixzz1HMbbmUQK

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    It strikes me as bizarre that I was stationed on both of those foreign US air bases, Lakenheath in England and Aviano in Italy, in 1968 and 1969. That was 43 years ago. My father was stationed in Suffolk in 1943. Why are we still in England and Italy 66 years after WWII?

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  16. Because we spend more on our military, Deuce, than the rest of the whirled, combined, spends upon theirs.

    Italy would dissolve into chaos, if the US military left there. Same with England, too.

    Obviously. They cannot defend themselves, from themselves without US there, to enable them.

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  17. Deuce: Why are we still in England and Italy 66 years after WWII?

    Money.

    The answer to every question that begins with the word "Why" is "Money".

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  18. Thanks for the vids and the pic of the handsome and charming Mr Lerner, Deuce!

    Can't wait 'til he and his ilk organize our healthcare workers under Obamacare.

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  19. The Roachmobile

    Scientists have put a roach in the driver’s seat of an electric powered vehicle and sent it around their laboratory in this Weird Connections production.

    This bizarre experiment is no joke. It could be the first step in creating a new, seamless interface between brains and machines.

    This stunning high-definition movie will serve as the springboard for a lively discussion about the science behind the beauty and wonder of nature.

    Aidyl Gonzalez-Serricchiio, a researcherin biology, will introduce the film and guide the post-screening discussion.

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  20. I back. But I worried.

    I notice my good friend Barack reading paper. He look worried. I thought bad brackets!! (Barack he covers paper with brackets when Michelle walks by.) I peak, book say:

    7 Signs You Might be Dating a Manipulator:

    1. "You're always falling short of your partner's expectations."
    I don't want my friend falling up short. No good. Maybe he not want to have Michelle see he worried.

    2. "You often feel guilty in your relationship and are always looking to repair the "damage."'
    I do not think this is big problem. Barack too busy to damage relationship. He American President and Michelle say her first time proud to be American. She think he not American? Not possible. He has proof!!

    3. "You don't often know where you stand with your partner." Not possible. Barack he always to left of Michelle, way left, sometimes behind.(LOL behind-behind. I make joke. LOL)

    4. "You often feel like you're walking on eggshells around him (or her).
    Maybe sometimes you're given lots of love and affections; at other times you're given the cold shoulder for no apparent reason."
    Nooo, Barack he get much affection from Michelle. Michelle much big woman and give him wide view.


    5. "You feel confused in the relationship and keep questioning or blaming yourself for making your partner angry or frustrated." Barack no make Michelle angry. She always angry, no need for Barack to make angry.

    6. "You're unhappy in your relationship at least 90 percent of the time." Nooo, 90% time Barack not home. He have airplane, he have golf, he have bascketball, he have brackets. no 90% time in relationship not possible.


    7. You're anxious about telling your partner your plans No, not problem, Michelle and Brack have many plans. They know. They know.

    Sorry, I have to go now.

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  21. Crash the stock market - probably wouldn't go over so well with a lot of working folks who have their retirement in mutual funds
    - Elijah

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  22. Carter Mack, President of JMP Group, a firm that specializes in taking small-cap companies public, says SarbOx is one example of many "knee jerk, one-size-fits-all" reactionary regulations that are costly to small business. But he says there is capital for smaller firms, and "the IPO dollar figure doesn't tell the whole story."

    He points out that 17 out of 28 IPOs this year were below $500 million market cap.

    Presidential economic advisor Gene Sperling closed the conference, saying the ideas and discussions that took place there will help the administration shape policy and new small business initiatives.


    IPO Market

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  23. But for now, the administration is too busy helping Brazil employ workers in the oilpatch, making up for the thousands of US Oilworkers who have lost their jobs due to The Won's Moratoria on drilling.

    Obama promises Brazil we'll be one of their best customers after they, not us, drill baby drill.

    Vote Obama,
    Vote Full Employment,
    Vote Energy Independence,
    ...For Brazil.

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  24. One of these days a journalist will press the "rebels" to explain what they have in mind for the country, if and when Gaddafi leaves. Are they seeking democratic reforms and elections, or are they seeking to replace one strongman with another? And who would that be?

    With the way rebel fighters are pushing for more combat in Ajdabiyah, recklessly and contrary to the UN resolution, suggests that a massacre of Gaddafi supporters by the rebels may well be one of the end results of this intervention. How does that work with the humanitarian mission?

    What would politicians do with a violent uprising in any country in the West? Given the mentality of the corporatist Overclass now effectively ruling the West, I do wonder what degree of violence they would nowadays not hesitate to unleash against any Western country which got rid of its corrupt regime, and worse still attempted to secede from their crony-club.

    The Serbs tried to stop a rebellion in Kosovo. The US and Nato lent their Air Force to the Albaians, Muslims all. Today Kosovo is totally cleansed of Serbs and its 1000 years culture heritage. Churches and Monasteries have been burnt, people got out. EU supported mafia ruled state busy with human organ and drug trafficking now instead. Now with a biggest US military base in Kosovo, Camp Bondsteel is the main base of U.S. armed forces in Kosovo.

    -Fellow Peacekeeper

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  25. After the last time we bombed Libya, the Colonel blew up Pan Am 103. Just sayin that now that we started this, it would be a shame if Kaddafi survies the week still in power.

    PS: while we're at it, I'd like to see at least 2 of our GPS guided bombs lose signal over Tripoli and hit the house where the Pan Am 103 guy lives
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    Sorry, we cut a deal. No different than John McCain and George Bushs idealized Great General Petraeus proffering sugared dainties into the mouths of "hero Sunni insurgents of Tal Afar" and handing them stacks of 100 dollar bills knowing they all ordered US soldiers killed - but were turned to killing "Evidoers" once Great General Petraeus handed enough money over and promised them all Amnesty.

    Libya gave up the AQ Khan nuclear bomb network and as an added bonus he gave us blueprints the Chinese scum had given Pakistan to build their bomb. Qadaffi also renounced terror, renounced and is in process of destroying al his chem and bioweapons.
    He also had to pay 2 billion to the relatives of the soldiers he killed in Berlin, to Flight 103 and the Lockerbie killed and injured.
    For that, we let his agent go - knowing that the British courts were already having a field day on disclosure that the US secretly paid millions to witnesses in the Lockerbie case to testify. And said Qadaffi was secure and we would not try and take him out as long as he delivered on renouncing terror and completed dismantling his WMD program.



    In short, a far better deal than Bush, McCain, and their hero Petraeus brokered with the Heroes of Tal Afar.

    Yes, we have the "justice in court and criminal charges are sacrosanct above any deal to uncover a nuke bomb network, eliminate WMD, renounce terrorism" sort of people. But IMO, they are vindictive idiots.

    And Petraeus was right to sit down with the butchers of Tal Afar and turn them with the right bribes.
    And if the leaders of the Taliban said they would not hand over Al Qaedabut make them available for questioning until the whole network was revealed and name all the people in Karzai's government working for them as well as Pakistan's ISI...in return for us ending our war..we should take that deal as well. Despite the moaning of "victims advocates" that ONLY cases in Mighty Courts matter, and the war should continue indefinitely.

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  26. Our Allies in the Middle East? Turkey is about as worthwhile a US ally as Israel or Pakistan or Egypt. Only allies because of geopolitics for Egypt and Turkey, god knows why with the Pakis, or in Israel's case a Powerful Lobby, influential Jews, WWII guilt, and the Christian Zionists.

    The Germans? Useless. Maybe all the true, natural frontline warriors were removed from the gene pool in favor of the unfit, and the rear ech types. Maybe they really do want to lower themselves to the Swiss, whose amorality in pursuit of the buck , and Neutral status, open for business from all who wish to park their nations billions - they crave.
    I heard the Germans sent one chinsy rescue detachment to Japan. Arriving there, they got word from the embassy about the ongoing nuke accident and releases. And the rescue team talked about it with embassy, and decided to return to Germany "until things were better understood, give the risks".

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  27. Obama started a war, and it's the ONLY thing he doesn't want to control.

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  28. The Protocols of the Elders of SEIU

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  29. Petraeus brought peace to Tal afar, Cedarford.

    Leaving out 2007 and the first half of 2008:

    On July 8, 2008 gunmen killed a member of the Sunni Arab Iraqi Islamic party, police said.[55]

    On July 12, 2008 police found the bodies of seven people, including a woman and a child, the town's mayor, Major-General Najim Abdullah, said. They had been kidnapped two days before.[56]

    On July 17, 2008 a car bomb exploded in a street market killing 20 people, including 9 children, and wounding 90.[57]

    On July 31, 2008 a roadside bomb killed a policeman, police said.[58]

    On August 8, 2008 a lone Sunni Turkoman suicide bomber (initial reports said a parked car) exploded in a vegetable market killing 25 people and injuring about 70.,[59][60]

    On August 29, 2008 policemen killed a would-be suicide bomber who tried to enter a mosque.[61]

    On September 6, 2008 a car bomb exploded near shops and cafes killing at least six people and wounding at least 50.[62]

    On September 17, 2008 a roadside bomb wounded four civilians.[63]

    On September 18, 2008 two roadside bombs wounded nine civilians.[64]

    On September 20, 2008 a suicide car bomb attack near a football playground killed two people and left 18 wounded.[65]

    On November 15, 2008 a car bomb exploded and killed 10 people and injured 31 more.[66]

    On December 2, 2008 a suicide car bomb exploded at a police checkpoint killing five people and wounding 30.[67]

    On February 6, 2009 gunmen in a moving car opened fire and killed two civilians, police said.[68]

    On March 23, 2009 a suicide bomber killed an off-duty police officer and wounded five civilians, according to police.[69]

    On July 9, 2009 33 people were killed by two suspected suicide bomb attacks. Police report injuries of more than 70.[70]

    On September 17, 2009 a suicide bomber drove a truck into a police checkpoint, killing three civilians and wounding three policeman.[71]

    On September 28, 2009, two suspected insurgents were killed and a third was wounded in an explosives accident.[72]

    On October 16, 2009, a gunman opened fire and then detonated a suicide belt, killing 15 and injuring 100 during Friday Prayer inside the Taqua Mosque, which is attended primarily by Sunni Muslims.[73]

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  30. On Friday, 14 May 2010, an attacker detonated explosives hidden inside a vehicle at the entrance to the football stadium in Tal Afar that killed 10 people and injured 120 others.

    Earlier, the militant umbrella group, the Islamic State of Iraq, warned Shiites of "dark days soaked with blood".

    "What is happening to you nowadays is just a drizzle," said Al-Nasser Lideen Allah Abu Suleiman, the group's so-called minister of war.

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  31. I left out the fact that SEIU/Obama benefactor George Soros is heavily invested in Brazil's marine oilpatch.

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  32. We had to depopulate it to save it:

    The city which had been assessed to have a population of approximately
    200,000,

    had dropped to
    80,000 as of 2007,[1]

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    Can't help it Deuce.

    I vote that Miley Cyrus be permanently banned from the EB.

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  34. Germany and India, other members of the five, have also maintained their doubts.

    But Mr Ban, who just before the press conference met the family of the Tunisian fruit seller whose death after setting fire to himself as a protest set off the turmoil across North Africa, said the region was now at a "historic" moment.

    "Democracy is on the march across the Arab world. It is in the interest of the international community and the United Nations to help you on your way."


    Military Campaign

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  35. JDoes anyone seriously recognize Obama as an American President?

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  37. Lerner looks like a clone of Lenin.

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  38. President Obama is yet another in a long line of useful idiots who the left seem to fall in love.

    Obama is a ditherer. An academic. He's indecisive. He can't make up his mind about two flies going up the wall. He's a ne'er do well. A greenhorn. He's out of his depth.

    Obama is a man who launched his debt and war weary nation into a new war while he was playing soccer in Brazil. A Constitutional law professor who in 2007 and 2008 said the following: Obama: “The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.” Yet Obama launched the U.S. into war against a nation that was no threat without even discussing it with the nation or Congress. Obama's war is only days old, yet we are likely already well on our way to spending our first $10 billion. Ships, Logistics, and cruise misslies don't come cheap, and neither does the F-15E that went down in Libya. How many more hundreds of billions will Obama plunge us into debt to interfere in Libya's civil war? We don't even know if Gadaffi flees, and if the rebels take over if they will even be friendly to us. For all we know they are agents of Iran who will impose an Islamic government, open terrorists camps, and start planning a war against Israel and the U.S.

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  39. .

    You are going to love this one Deuce.

    Justice Department sues on behalf of Muslim teacher, triggering debate

    BERKELEY, Ill. — Safoorah Khan had taught middle school math for only nine months in this tiny Chicago suburb when she made an unusual request. She wanted three weeks off for a pilgrimage to Mecca.

    The school district, faced with losing its only math lab instructor during the critical end-of-semester marking period, said no. Khan, a devout Muslim, resigned and made the trip anyway.

    Justice Department lawyers examined the same set of facts and reached a different conclusion: that the school district’s decision amounted to outright discrimination against Khan. They filed an unusual lawsuit, accusing the district of violating her civil rights by forcing her to choose between her job and her faith.

    As the case moves forward in federal court in Chicago, it has triggered debate over whether the Justice Department was following a purely legal path or whether suing on Khan’s behalf was part of a broader Obama administration campaign to reach out to Muslims...


    Descrimination?

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    Keep it up Mel and I'll start posting Justin Beiber links.

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    Thanks for putting her name on the links. It saved everyone else here from having to click on them.

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  42. Why don't you like Miley Cyrus?

    Because she sat in a smoke shop and inhaled some herb.

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  43. Denouncing the coalition bombing attacks on his forces, he told them: "In the short term, we'll beat them, in the long term, we'll beat them."

    ...

    The Telegraph said one of the downed crew members was rescued by troops on an Osprey "transformer" aircraft, which can turn from a plane into a helicopter.

    ...

    Fighting raged between forces loyal to Gaddafi and insurgents in several towns on Tuesday despite a UN-mandated no-fly zone aimed at stopping the violence.


    Jet Crashes

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    I like justin Beiber too

    Good lord.


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  45. Come on, Quirk, you know me better than that.

    I'm not a Katy Perry fan, either, but I like this song I think it has a lot of meaning.

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  46. Gracious Mary, mother virgin of Sweet Jesus, Sweet Jesus, divine son of your gracious virgin mother, save the Bar from Cedarfart. Rat has an ally, at last, a bonafide true ally.

    What if Hillary, Samantha Powers, Obastard, the UN and the Arab League, who seem to running out foreign policy, were to vote to recognize a Palestinian state unilateraly, damn the torpedos, and we have US jets enforcing it?

    Since the world, or at least our nation, has gone crazy, it might happen.

    And would get two votes here.

    anonymous bosch

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  48. heh

    I liked the first song, kinda always something more, ever and ever, the dove flies through the darkness, the darkness always recedes and that darkness is the being of God. But you're tired of hearing it.

    The last one seemed like the singer was all too much concentrated on herself, and, hostage to the opinions of others. No center in herself. And, fireworks burn out too damn fast. Romeo was a shooting star.

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  49. I've wanted to say something about Stopping By The Woods, which everyone seems to like.

    Death there is compared to a sleep, perfect for the tone of the poem, the guy is obviously pooped. This comparison must be as old as humankind.
    With sleep there is dream, which may be good or bad, there are nightmares, and persumably an awakening, which may be good or bad, depending which side of the bed one wakes up on.

    Equally as old is the comparison of birth to sleep and death to an awaking, first put to paper by Plato but also as old as mankind. And also perhaps good or bad depending on the judgement.

    J Campbell, the authority - The mythic formula is, birth is a sleep and a forgetting, death is the antidote, an awakening and remembering.

    In neither case is death compared to Rat's o so longed for oblivion.

    Things is more serious than that.

    Frost elsewhere, can't recall the poem, has the spirits, Platonically, sitting around 'heaven' and every once in a while some male or female spirit gets up the courage to dive into materiality and forgetfullness, for the experience and learning of it, drinking the bitter dregs.
    This also is optimistic.

    We've all heard of Occam's Razor about choosing the simplest explanation. I've made up anonymous bosch's razor, under the influence of the ever optimistic Melody.

    If two or more outlooks are plausable for a given situation, quandry, puzzle or problem, always choose the more optimistic one.

    In Frost, if death is ever troped to Rat's o so longed for oblivion, I'm not aware of it, even thinking of that white spider of evil, a whiteness to appall.

    Frost was a great poet.

    anonymous bosch

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  50. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/egyptian_referendum_favors_mus.html

    Egyptian Referendum Favors Muzzie Brothers

    Oh wonderful and all so predictable.

    anonymous bosch

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  51. Shit!
    I was bettin on the Freedom Fighters.

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  52. What ain't serious about oblivion?

    If some a-hole is tryin to blow me to oblivion, I consider that first-order serious.

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  53. Quirk, I guess there wasn't a point in your life you were different from others or made fun of or just didn't fit in.

    What I got out of the lyrics and the video is that it doesn't matter who you are or where you come from your still special in every way. That you should take that step and feel good about yourself no matter what. Stand tall with your head held high and maybe, just maybe, the bullying could one day come to an end.

    I'm not saying the song or even Katy Perry, for that matter, comes close to sitting next to the top ten on any list. I'm just saying the message she is trying to convey has meaning not like some about broken hearts, violence, suicide, or whatever depressing issue someone may have in their lives.

    That's all.

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