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Friday, July 23, 2010

Another Day in the Arghandab Valley in Afghanistan



Except for 27-year-old Brian Piercy.

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Clovis soldier dies in Afghanistan

The Associated Press
Posted: 07/22/2010 11:35:55 AM PDT


CLOVIS, Calif.—An Army staff sergeant from Clovis who was just weeks away from finishing his second tour in Afghanistan has died.

The Department of Defense says 27-year-old Brian Piercy was killed on Monday in Afghanistan's Arghandab River Valley when insurgents attacked his unit with an improvised explosive device.

David Piercy said his brother was planning to move back to California from North Carolina with his wife, Christina, at the end of his second tour in the country. Although he came back with minor shrapnel wounds after his first stint, David said he still believed in his mission.

Friends say Brian was a gifted student who could be shy until you got to know him.
He was assigned to the 2nd Battalion out of Fort Bragg, N.C.



114 comments:

  1. Let's see...

    IED's are coming from Iran...

    Our soldier dies?

    Start bombing the Republican Guard barracks...

    No notice, no warnings..

    Oh yeah, we have an "Obama" as a so called leader

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  2. Better yet, get the hell out of the Middle-east.

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  3. Running and hiding from the Islamic forces is not a plan...

    destroying their symbols, power centers and ways to make money is a plan...

    I know...

    nuke the keeba....

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  4. "Rick Salutin
    The fear factor in national economics

    Since the Second World War, the U.S. economy has been built around what you might call the fear sector: its military-industrial complex, its crime-prison complex and its homeland-terror complex. We’re now seeing the first attempt by a Canadian government to follow this model.

    In the U.S., the military portion has been the healthiest (economically speaking). It made weapons the government could sell abroad and employed a work force with unions that were able to bargain medical and other insurance, taking pressure off governments to provide those. Its budget is 43 per cent of what the rest of the world spends militarily and as high in the Obama era as before.

    The prison-industrial complex has ramped way up since the Reagan years, due to sentencing changes based on “zero tolerance” and “three strikes.” In 1972, it held 300,000 inmates; by 2000, two million; and, in 2008, 7.3 million in jail, on probation or on parole. With 5 per cent of the world’s people, the U.S. has 25 per cent of its prisoners. Private prisons have taken off.

    Since 9/11, there’s the homeland-terror sector, described in The Washington Post this week as a “jobs program” with “a gusher of money.” More than 850,000 Americans now have top-secret clearance. The Department of Homeland Security, which hadn’t existed before 9/11, is next in size to Defence and Veterans Affairs. Prospects are limitless. Finding shoe bombers takes more than finding foreign missiles or armies – just as finding a needle in a haystack would take far more personnel, technology and time than finding a hay wagon.

    The latter two sectors aren’t as cost-beneficial as the military. They don’t make much to sell to the rest of the world, or generate social benefits. But deduct the impact of all three from the U.S. economy, and from its employment stats (including people in the armed forces or jail), and that mighty economic engine would be a holey mess.

    ...

    For some reason, U.S. society is highly susceptible to mass fear and paranoia. Scholars have written on this. It’s not that there aren’t real enemies, but any candidate, from the Red Menace to al-Qaeda, falls into ready, fertile ground. For oral history on this, consult anyone who recalls the McCarthy era and Reds under the beds. My own lasting image is of a family at Disney World a year after 9/11, drawing on tubes from the water bottle on mom’s belt to avoid dehydration and peering around for Islamists (who might target Mouseland) while plotting their next moves in the Magic Kingdom.

    I lean toward Michael Moore’s theory about this, in his best film, Bowling for Columbine: that there’s a deep, residual fear of the country’s former slave population, now free and full but perhaps angry citizens."

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/the-fear-factor-in-national-economics/article1648818/

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  5. Ash, that's mostly milky pap. You forget the good ol USA has provided defense for a good portion of the world since WWII, including Japan, S. Korea, I might add Canada, and on, against the totalitarians.

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  6. Petraeus doen't like that word.

    FUCK!

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  7. Ash, in WWII we bombed everyone else's assembly lines into oblivion. At the end of the war the whole world wanted stuff, and they had to buy it from us. That's why we boomed. Didn't have shit to do with the Military/Industrial Complex.

    The world's different today. The rest of the world has assembly lines, and they're damned competitive. And, energy is getting expensive.

    That other whitey/blackie silliness is just horseshit.

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  8. IED's are coming from Iran...

    Our soldier dies?

    Start bombing the Republican Guard barracks...

    No notice, no warnings..

    Oh yeah, we have an "Obama" as a so called leader

    - What Is





    I do recall IED components finding their way into Iraq from Iran, and many casualties thereof - and another president declining to take the advice of air sortie buffs.


    C'mon. How many of you drop-a-bomb-on-it devotees are on the Air Force payroll?

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  9. Those guys could be over here, building, and installing solar panels, and wind turbines. Along with geo-thermal plants, wave/tidal energy devices, and Cellulosic ethanol refineries.

    For the cost of two years in Afghanistan, Or "one" year in Iraq, And Afghanistan we could be OFF of Imported Oil. Then, no one in their right mind would "Care" what that bunch of backward crazies were doing.

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  10. We've gotta be the stupidest people in the history of the solar system.

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  11. all hail dear leader RUFUS who would control it all deploying the military domestically to execute his agenda!!

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  12. "Then, no one in their right mind would 'Care' what that bunch of backward crazies were doing."

    In your own words, "Horseshit."

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  13. Might I ask, Trish, what your hubby thinks of Sarah Palin? Just curious, is all.

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  14. C'mon. How many of you drop-a-bomb-on-it devotees are on the Air Force payroll?

    None of us, that I know of.

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  15. No horseshit; this is all about Generals' promotions, elites' investment portfolios, and Politicians' campaign coffers.

    We're wasting money by the tankerload, and lives by the thousands.

    Simple, Ash, w/o this nonsense we wouldn't need half of those soldiers.

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  16. You're having a hard time finding a handle, aren't you Ash? This isn't Rome. We don't insist that the Army stay deployed "overseas."

    In fact, we have a large group of "citizen/soldiers" called the National Guard, and Reserve.

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  17. ATLAS SHRUGS ENDORSES PALADINO: "AS GOVERNOR I'LL USE EMINENT DOMAIN TO BLOCK THE MOSQUE"



    I like his moxie. Paladino for Governor. Andrew Cuomo is for the mosque -- didn't NY suffer enough under Cuomo statism? Enough with these political dynasties. Let's elect real people who understand real problems, and are unafraid to address real issues.

    I like this guy. I really like this guy. If they seized private property (Kelo) for a private developer and then never developed the property (!), Americans should be able to designate the Burlington Coat Factory building a war memorial. It's a piece of American history.

    PALADINO: "AS GOVERNOR I'LL USE EMINENT DOMAIN TO BLOCK THE MOSQUE"

    (BUFFALO, NY) - Buffalo Developer and lawyer Carl Paladino said today that he would use the powers of eminent domain to stop a mosque from being constructed near the Ground Zero site in New York City.

    "As Governor I will use the power of eminent domain to stop this mosque and make the site a war memorial instead of a monument to those who attacked our country," Paladino said in a thirty second radio spot playing statewide beginning Wednesday evening.

    A successful lawyer and developer who built and manages a half billion dollar commercial real estate portfolio, Paladino scoffed at critics who claim federal law prohibits his strategy to stop the Islamic mosque. "I've been driving land-use issues for 40 years, and I understand the full powers of the governor," he said. "If the ACLU or anyone else wants to challenge me in court, I'm ready for the fight."

    "Andrew Cuomo supports the mosque," Paladino said. "He says it is about religious freedom and he says the mosque construction should proceed. I say it is disrespectful to the thousands who died on 9-11 and their families, insulting to the thousands of troops who've been killed or injured in the ensuing wars and an affront to American people. And it must be stopped."

    "There is little to no democracy in the Middle East other than Israel. The Islamic fundamentalists are Fascists - women have limited rights, there is no free speech or freedom of expression, and citizens are subject to the often barbaric Sharia Law. I oppose a mosque near the site of Ground Zero, not because of race, but because of the ideology of the Islamic fundamentalists," said Paladino.

    Paladino, a Republican candidate for Governor of New York, kicked off an advertising campaign to rally statewide opposition to the proposed Islamic mosque at Ground Zero in New York City and called out Democrat candidate Andrew Cuomo for backing the divisive mosque.


    It's a big issue back there. I don't understand how anyone could support building a mosque at Ground Zero.

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  18. "Might I ask, Trish, what your hubby thinks of Sarah Palin? Just curious, is all."

    He finds her a comical, unserious political figure.

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  19. "this is all about Generals' promotions, elites' investment portfolios, and Politicians' campaign coffers."

    In your head it is.

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  20. very simply put trish. I was going to start to respond with geo-political bs but I stopped.

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  21. Just as, in What Is's head, it's all about a "teachable moment" and in Rat's head, it's all about Lester Crown.

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  22. I mean, I don't want to single rufus out.

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  23. trish said...
    "Might I ask, Trish, what your hubby thinks of Sarah Palin? Just curious, is all."

    He finds her a comical, unserious political figure.


    Interesting...

    I find Obama to be a self promoting, lazy, illegal alien, carpetbagging, western history hating, islamic lying toad....

    I'd take Palin over Obama in a nanosecond

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  24. Well, bob didn't ask about his opinion of the president.

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  25. More soothing summertime music:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f1cwycSWq0

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  26. What's your husband's opinion of the usurping, self promoting, lazy, illegal alien, carpetbagging, western history hating, islamic lying toad President?


    Disclosure: my wife can't stand the fucking bastard.

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  27. Further disclosure: my wife likes Romney.

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  28. "Disclosure: my wife can't stand the fucking bastard.'

    I'm shocked.

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  29. Well, Trish, and Ash, you can tell us what Afghanistan is all about "in YOUR haids."

    Are we "making the world safe for Deemoecracee?" Fightin for the rights of little Afghanee gurls to "go to skool?"

    Jist lookin fer a place to "bild a rode?"

    Tell us, Trish, and Ash, Just What are we doing there?

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  30. And, would you like your son, and daughter to go "do it?"

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  31. Because, "someone's" sons, and daughters Are.

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  32. And, you people call Sarah Palin, "unserious."

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  33. I am firmly against the adventure rufus yet I still don't believe that it is occurring simply because some military folk are trying to move up the command chain.

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  34. Personally, I think we should send all of the perfectly pedicured Ranger Generals down to the Arizona Border, put'em on a horse, and let'em go "snoopin, and poopin" after the drug smugglers.

    Get a little "Social Value" out of their games.

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  35. Steve Benen:

    THERE'S THAT 'I' WORD AGAIN.... The far-right Washington Times published two op-eds, on the same page, on the same day, demanding the impeachment of President Obama. One was from the perpetually deranged Jeffrey Kuhner, who insisted, "Obama has betrayed the American people. Impeachment is the only answer. This usurper must fall."

    The other was from Tom Tancredo, the former Republican congressman and presidential candidate, and apparent Colorado gubernatorial candidate.

    Yes, Mr. Obama is a more serious threat to America than al Qaeda. We know that Osama bin Laden and followers want to kill us, but at least they are an outside force against whom we can offer our best defense. But when a dedicated enemy of the Constitution is working from the inside, we face a far more dangerous threat. Mr. Obama can accomplish with the stroke of his pen what bin Laden cannot accomplish with bombs and insurgents. [...]

    Mr. Obama's refusal to live up to his own oath of office -- which includes the duty to defend the United States against foreign invasion - requires senators and representatives to live up to their oaths. Members of Congress must defend our nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Today, that means bringing impeachment charges against Mr. Obama.

    Keep in mind, Fox News found this insanity worth promoting.





    Nooooooo, seriously?

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  36. Well, then, Ash, WHY do you think it IS happening?

    If you're going to ridicule my ideas, at least proffer one of your own.

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  37. Please keep in mind that that nonsense is costing us $100 BILLION/YR, and that we have a One Trillion Dollar Deficit.

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  38. Have at it, Ash.

    While "in your head" may be a little too "your mama" as responses go, I have learned that there is no fruitful discussion of the matter with rufus, who at other times (I know Doug would disagree, but it's Doug, for God's sake) can be sensible-like.

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  39. I'm simply here awaiting Marine Happy Hour.

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  40. I'm willing to "fruitfully" (or manfully, or whatever) discuss all you want.

    Discuss.

    Why are we there?

    I see pictures of guys guarding farmers as they harvest their poppies. I see 100 Dead "Last Month." I see $100 Billion. I read stories of Marines dying for lack (Refusal) of Artillery, and Air Support.

    I read Newt Gengrich wants to build'em a "Road."

    Our vaunted General doesn't like the term "we're winning."

    I'll discuss. Like the biggest fucking "fruit" you've ever seen. Just tell me, "Why We Are There."

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  41. One Way Out

    We could just declare the entire Pashtun people the enemy and flatten the place from the air.

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  42. In short, rufus, we are there because Dubya, fully backed by a large number of American citizens felt it necessary to topple the Taliban government because of their support for Osama. We've stayed because we toppled the Taliban government and have been trying to install a government more to our liking. Then there is the long history of Afghanistan being at the crossroads of Central Asia. The US has not been alone in trying to control the place.

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  43. Funny story:

    At the last Marine Ball we were talking to a "kid," snappy embassy guard, who honestly looked years too young for a driver's license but who had already deployed at least once.

    "How old ARE you?"

    "Twenty-four."

    "You're joking."

    "I moisturize," he deadpanned.

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  44. You left out, it seems to me, one Key Player. What is Obama's reason?

    And, are you saying we're there to guard the silk caravans?

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  45. We're there because we got sucked in, failed to get bin Laden, and now we don't know what the hell to do. After nine years and no bin Laden, if we leave it's back to Taliban land, and Jesus, what a bad situation. I'm staying out of the argument because I really don't know what I think we should do.

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  46. Oh, wait, now I got it. We're going to stay until we get a government "to our liking?"

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  47. If I had to make a decision, I'd just flatten Kandahar, for starters.

    Sin bravely, said Luther.

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  48. "We could just declare the entire Pashtun people the enemy and flatten the place from the air."

    How many times have I heard that fantasy expressed in the past nine years - with regard to any number of places and peoples?



    Um, I'm not co-signing that, Ash.

    Firstly because there's more to it. Nothing sinister or conspiratorial, just more.

    You speak for yourself.

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  49. But what we are doing now is a fantasy.

    Well, Wal-Mart calls, thankfully.

    Hot here again today.

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  50. Well, I'll tell you what we're "Going to do." We're fucking "out of there," next year.

    These deluded dumbos want to defend it because Obumfuck sent some more troops; but, he's counting the days until he can start withdrawing.

    He trapped himself with his campaign rhetoric, but he has no intention of going into the 2012 election season with that nonsense hanging around his neck.

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  51. There's nothing more to. Bin Laden is sitting in a condo in Quetta, and the rest of his family is residing in Tehran.

    There is absolutely nothing in the whole country of any strategic, or political value. It's a drain on the treasury, and a serious questionmark on our competence.

    Halliburton is making a fortune, General Dynamics, and Grumman are pumping the money to the politicians, and officers are getting promoted.

    We, meanwhile, are getting poorer, and our kids are getting killed (waiting for the pull-out.)

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  52. We're fucking "out of there," next year.

    - rufus

    : )

    You keep that happy thought, sweetheart.

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  53. yes trish, there is more of course, but I did preface it with a "in short".

    rufus, why is Obama staying? Well, you heard him on the campaign trail didn't you? Kinda snookered himself on this one.

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  54. and before trish objects, ya, there is more to it than that in Obama's world as well.

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  55. "ya, there is more to it than that in Obama's world as well."

    Roger.

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  56. Oh, we'll leave a "few." Just like we're leaving some in Iraq. It just won't be nearly as many.

    Obama's a lot of things; but he's not dumb enough to try to turn Afghanistan into Iowa.

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  57. "Obama's a lot of things; but he's not dumb enough to try to turn Afghanistan into Iowa."

    Something tells me that's not, nor has it ever been, The Plan.

    First of all, Iowa is known for its magnificent breaded pork tenderloin sandwiches.

    As for how many left behind, I've already told you that out-of-their-asses deadline is meaningless.

    You won't believe me until you see it.

    That's okay.

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  58. Let's review the bidding.

    Afghanistan is a landlocked, arid country almost exactly the size, and population of Texas.

    It's populated by a race of backward, hostile, incredibly impoverished people that speak a language that's understood by less than 1/100 of 1% of our troops.

    It has NO natural resources of any note. It has NO strategic value insofar as geography.

    It can't afford an army, and it has an absolutely corrupt government that we can't displace due to it being "elected."

    We dare not attack even one moderate-sized city (Kandahar) for fear of killing someone who might not need killing.

    Basically, our troops are tasked with walking around, trying to stay "out of trouble," until they are blown up, or have fulfilled their tour.

    Did I mention that our sooper-dooper general doesn't like the term "winning?"

    Newt Gengrich wants to build'em a "road."

    What have I missed?

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  59. "Nevertheless, the main geopolitical result of the Afghan campaign is rather obvious: the U.S. and NATO military presence in Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and, to a lesser extent, in other Central Asian countries has become a reality. Analysts who are skeptical about the West are adamant that the “strange war” in Afghanistan will be continued until the Americans achieve all of their goals in Central Asia: guaranteed temporary or permanent military presence in the region, an established network of military facilities and respective legal and political infrastructures."

    http://eng.globalaffairs.ru/number/n_640

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  60. General Dynamics, rufus, they're business is UP!. A well planted seed, that $3.2 million advance Lester made to that young lawyer with the funny name, Obama ...

    Lester is just another symptom of the elite running the shoe.

    Like Mr Rockefeller's Mexico policies still holding forth, despite ever more popular protestations from the electorate.

    Full speed ahead on the Tri-Lateral conceptualizations.

    And, as always, don't forget the whirled's heroin supply, there in Afpakistan.

    It is a political driver.

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  61. rufus said...

    Well, then, Ash, WHY do you think it IS happening?

    If you're going to ridicule my ideas, at least proffer one of your own.

    ------------------------------

    I'll proffer:

    Because we bought into Colin Powell's "you break it, you bought it." bravo sierra.

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  62. In short, rufus, we are there because Dubya, fully backed by a large number of American citizens felt it necessary to topple the Taliban government because of their support for Osama.

    A "large number of American citizens"?

    How about 99.99% of them?

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  63. "Rick Salutin is a dildo."

    : )

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  64. And, we need to be in the unpronounceablestans, why?

    .

    waiting

    .

    I swear, the only sane person left in DC is Ron Paul.

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  65. Oh, we'll leave a "few." Just like we're leaving some in Iraq. It just won't be nearly as many.

    You can't leave a "few" in that butcher shop.

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  66. "I'll proffer:

    Because we bought into Colin Powell's "you break it, you bought it." bravo sierra."


    Wrong.

    At least, in implication if not in fact.

    Bush and the neocon team decided they wanted UN and NATO support for the drive into Afghanistan and cover for the move into Iraq. When you move into a country under the auspicious of one of these international organizations the assumption is that you will "play by the rules."

    Powell's "warning" merely outlined and explained to Bush and the boys what would be expected of them when they went into Iraq with the UN involved, i.e. that they would be expected to comply with international law as regards the obligations of an occupying force.

    I was for going into Afghanistan and against going into Iraq. However, as I've said before, I would have done the Afghanistan adventure on our own, with no "help" from NATO. Screw international law, go in, kick ass, get out. Take down the Taliban, take out bin Laden, declare victory, and go home. When it became obvious we weren't going to get bin Laden, just declare victory and go home.

    My opinion is insignificant. However, when you yahoos blame Powell for all the fuck-ups made by Bush and the neocons it's a re-writing of history.

    Iraq was the neocon wet dream. They had offered it to Israel in the 90's assuring them that the US would support any Israel attack on Iran. Israel was smart enough not to take the recommendations seriously.

    The neocons were enamored with expanding democracy in the middle easy. They weren't about to pull out of Iraq. Blaming that policy on Powell is ridiculous.


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  67. Wrong.

    At least, in implication if not in fact.


    No implication implied. I'm not blaming Powell, only obliquely referring to the idea.

    Some of us yahoos remember waaay back to the early nineties. We even remember Al Gore flailing Bush Sr for leaving Saddam in power. We also remember watching as Iraqi oil wealth took advantage of a corrupt UN. We also remember Saddam sounding more Islamic by the day. We also remember his cat and mouse games with UN inspectors. Saddam cooked his own goose, put his own neck in the noose.

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  68. Iraq was the neocon wet dream. They had offered it to Israel in the 90's assuring them that the US would support any Israel attack on Iran. Israel was smart enough not to take the recommendations seriously.

    I would love to see that source material.

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  69. Minority leaders leaving Karzai's side over leader's overtures to insurgents





    By Joshua Partlow
    Washington Post Foreign Service
    Friday, July 23, 2010

    PANJSHIR VALLEY, AFGHANISTAN -- The man who served as President Hamid Karzai's top intelligence official for six years has launched an urgent campaign to warn Afghans that their leader has lost conviction in the fight against the Taliban and is recklessly pursuing a political deal with insurgents.

    In speeches to small groups in Kabul and across northern Afghanistan over the past month, Amarullah Saleh has repeated his belief that Karzai's push for negotiation with insurgents is a fatal mistake and a recipe for civil war. He says Karzai's chosen policy endangers the fitful progress of the past nine years in areas such as democracy and women's rights.

    "If I don't raise my voice we are headed towards a crisis," he told a gathering of college students in Kabul.

    That view is shared by a growing number of Afghan minority leaders who once participated fully in Karzai's government, but now feel alienated from it. Tajik, Hazara and Uzbek politicians have expressed increasing concern that they are being marginalized by Karzai and his efforts to strike a peace deal with his fellow Pashtuns in the insurgency.

    Saleh's warnings come as the United States struggles to formulate its own position on reconciliation with the Taliban. While U.S. officials have supported Afghan government-led talks in theory, they have watched with apprehension as Karzai has pursued his own peace initiatives, seemingly without Western involvement.

    NATO's senior civilian representative in Afghanistan, Ambassador Mark Sedwill, cautioned recently that "any political reconciliation process has to be genuinely national and genuinely inclusive. Otherwise we're simply storing up the next set of problems that will break out. And in this country when problems break out, they tend to lead to violence."

    Still, with war costs and casualties rising, U.S. policymakers are increasingly looking for a way out, and a power-sharing deal between Karzai and the Taliban may be the best they can hope for. One senior NATO official in Kabul described Saleh as "brilliant." But the official said Saleh's hard-line stance against negotiations does not offer any path to ending the long-running U.S. war.

    Saleh, 38 and a Tajik, began his intelligence career in this scenic valley north of Kabul working for the legendary guerrilla commander Ahmad Shah Massoud. He said he is not motivated by ethnic rivalries with the majority Pashtuns or by a desire to undermine Karzai, whom he describes as a decent man and a patriot.

    Rather, Saleh said he wants to use nonviolent, grass-roots organizing to pressure the government into a harder line against the Taliban by showing that Afghans who do not accept the return of the Taliban are a formidable force. Saleh resigned last month as director of the National Directorate of Security after he said he realized that Karzai no longer valued his advice.

    "The Taliban have reached the gates of Kabul," Saleh said. "We will not stop this movement even if it costs our blood."

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  70. "The Taliban have reached the gates of Kabul," Saleh said.

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  71. "Screw international law, go in, kick ass, get out."

    Um.




    Yeah.

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  72. General Tommy Franks made the most brilliant military move over the past decade: He retired. For those who wondered why, at the time, well, look around.

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  73. After nine years the Taliban are at the gates of Kabul.

    It's a fantasy that this is going to work. Logic might indicate either ratchet it way up, maybe divide the country, let Karzai go live with his fellow Pashtuns, make nice with the northern folks, start out by leveling Kandahar, or say the hell with it and get out.

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  74. North Korea said it would counter U.S. and South Korean joint naval exercises with “nuclear deterrence” after the Obama administration said the government in Pyongyang shouldn’t take any provocative steps.

    North Korea will “legitimately counter with their powerful nuclear deterrence the largest-ever nuclear war exercises to be staged by the U.S. and the South Korean puppet forces,” the National Defense Commission said, according to the Korean Central News Agency.


    Hillary looks a little haggard, bags under the eyes, there on the Drudge Report.

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  75. A trillion here, a trillion there, pretty soon you're talking real money.

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  76. When Turki first began behaving bizarrely, his father took him to local Muslim clerics to recite the Koran over him.

    'But most of them became scared when they heard the female voice telling them that she was a royal jinn (genie) and that no-one can exorcise her unless Turki dies,' his father said.


    A Royal jinn, the worst kind.

    It's a sad story, poor kid. Needs some western medication of some kind. Being chained to a bed for eight years, not the best therapy.

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  77. "Saddam cooked his own goose, put his own neck in the noose."

    True enough. But irrelavant to the initial post.

    "I would love to see that source material."

    From Wiki

    “The Blueprint for the new Bush policy had actually been drawn up five years earlier by three of his top national security advisors, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and David Wurmser who were working for conservative pro-Israel think tanks. James Bamford explains, "the centerpiece of the recommendations was the removal of Saddam Hussein as the first step in remaking the Middle East into a region friendly, instead of hostile, to Israel. Their plan "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," also signaled a radical departure from the peace-oriented policies of former Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who was assassinated by a member of an extreme right-wing Israeli group." [3]”

    Wiki [Richard Perle/Iraq/Israel]


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  78. On July 25, 1990, the U.S. Ambassador in Iraq, April Glaspie, asked the Iraqi high command to explain the military preparations in progress, including the massing of Iraqi troops near the border.

    The American ambassador declared to her Iraqi interlocutor that Washington, “inspired by the friendship and not by confrontation, does not have an opinion” on the disagreement between Kuwait and Iraq, stating "we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts."

    She also let Saddam Hussein know that the U.S. did not intend "to start an economic war against Iraq". These statements may have caused Saddam to believe he had received a diplomatic green light from the United States to invade Kuwait.[18]


    Oh, April.

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  79. I don't think it's irrelevant at all. You have to look at the whole picture of Iraq, Saddam, 9/11.

    Iraq was the neocon wet dream. They had offered it to Israel in the 90's assuring them that the US would support any Israel attack on Iran. Israel was smart enough not to take the recommendations seriously.

    That's calumny unless you can give me credible and corroborating sources.

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  80. whit,

    Don't argue with the scurrilous scum…probably intends to continue his belief in the Protocols, just as he has on the USS Liberty…habu light…a tricky wikiman

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  81. whit wrote:

    "Saddam cooked his own goose, put his own neck in the noose."

    Ironically, yeah, sure, he's dead at US hands but who's head is in the proverbial 'noose' now?

    Look at all those triumphant purple fingers we trotted out for the world to see? 4 months after the last election and still no government has been formed!

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  82. Some of this stuff comes down to the thoughtlessness of an April Glaspie.

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  83. Well, what can I say Ash. "The best-laid schemes o' mice an' men
    Gang aft agley,..."

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  84. BTW - Since when is AC/DC "soothing"?

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  85. As y'all know, I've been a little distracted, lately. Well, it's time to fess up. I've been considering running for office.

    I've decided to do it. I'll invite you to the first screening of my video. Campaign Video

    Tell me what you think.

    Be Kind.

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  86. Ruf's got my illegal write in vote.

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  87. Now...Trish. Two days in a row you posted that link as soothing summer music. You're like Lucy in Peanuts. Moving the ball at the last minute
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    Mel! :)

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    Ruf, I thought Mel had posted the Marcel link but as I watched it and heard about planting the grass, I said "That's Rufus running for Governor!"
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    Enough of this nonsense. Much as I hate to leave you all, I must go pack for a long weekend in St Pete Beach.

    I hope you all have a wonderful weekend.

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  88. Whit, have a fabulous weekend.

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  89. "That's calumny unless you can give me credible and corroborating sources."

    Not sure what it is your asking the credible and corroborating sources for?

    For the plan to replace Saddam?

    I gave you the reference to the "A Clean Break" paper.

    For the fact that Bush's neocon friends were involved?

    Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, David Wurmser were the authors. All of these guys were later in the Bush administration.

    For that matter, half the people in the Bush administration including Richard Perle were members or contributors to the PNAC which had been politicking for taking out Saddam since the 90's. PNAC sent out letters to both Clinton and Bush advocating for that policy as I recall.

    The fact that "A Clean Break" was written for Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel?

    The paper was a policy initiative written specifically for Israel.

    Calumny?

    If you cannot connect the dots or are too lazy to look up the source material, sue me.


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  90. Crap!

    You said:
    Iraq was the neocon wet dream. They had offered it to Israel in the 90's...

    Maybe I misunderstood what you meant.

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  91. Don't argue with the scurrilous scum…probably intends to continue his belief in the Protocols, just as he has on the USS Liberty…habu light…a tricky wikiman

    Protocols?

    As I recall, Allen you are the only one that brings this up constantly. Same for Nazi. My only surprise is that the Godwin Rule isn't applied to most of your posts.

    U.S.S. Liberty?

    Good lord, the last time we had that discussion I made you look like such an ass I'm surprised you keep bringing it up. Your not a Leo are you? Quit embarrassing yourself.


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  92. Al Gore?

    A "credible and corroborating source"?


    :)


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  93. That's it for me...

    Manana...

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  94. This week's Economist/YouGov poll finds Governor Palin leading the 2012 presidential race:



    Sarah Palin 28%
    Mitt Romney 18%
    Newt Gingrich 17%
    Mike Huckabee 13%
    Mitch Daniels 4%
    Tim Pawlenty 1%
    Mike Pence 1%
    Haley Barbour 1%
    John Thune 1%
    No preference 17%

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  95. Daisy Khan: there is a "divine hand" in the Ground Zero mosque project: "the building came to us"...it "will be symbolic"
    Note also that she dismisses 9/11 family members opposition to emotional grieving issues ..."We expected some families might need some hand-holding."

    Oh, the humanity of Islamic supremacists ............how's that for outreach? And what about the majority of Americans who find this whole idea abhorrent and insulting?

    Symbolic, on this I can agree completely with Khan. The more we know about this stealth jihadist, the worse it gets. This mosque is an act of jihad. I have no doubt that a massive Islamic structure in that nabe is a supremacist declaration. No doubt whatsoever, based on the Islamic pattern throughout the past 1,400 years, of building triumphal mosques on the cherished sites of conquered lands. It is a supremacist mosque in plan.

    Daisy Khan, the Imam's wife, is the Executive Director of the American Society for Muslim Advancement. Her group received one million dollars, funded by the Dutch Minister of Development Aid, Bert Koenders (PvdA, Labour Party, Socialists) to ASMA (via the “Millennium Development Goals Fund” (MDG3), transferred a short time before the terror-tied Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf closed on the purchase of the building (June 20, 2009).


    The Dutch funded Daisy's "women's initiative" .......... here is Daisy Khan on polygamy (over at NPR):

    Some Muslims in U.S. Quietly Engage in Polygamy

    Khan, who does pre-marriage counseling, says she always raises the issue of polygamy with engaged couples.

    "I also explain to them that as a woman, you have certain rights, and as a man, he may one day exercise his right to have a second wife," Khan says. "And usually the man says, 'No, no, no. I'm never going to do that.' And I say, 'Well, in case you ever get tempted, how about we put that in the contract?'"

    UPDATE: Good points from Armaros:

    One day they claim it will be a Sufi Mosque, the next day that it will be a "multi faith" center.
    Then they say, not multi faith but "all faiths are welcome".

    Sure, anybody can walk into a church or synagogue or even mosque. It is a free country.
    The Takiya is oozing from her mouth.

    "The Building came to us"

    What sick piece of work.

    It came to them because it was condemned by the city after it got damaged by pieces of a plane crashing into it on 911.

    Is that the "divine hand" she is talking about?


    Pamela Geller

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  96. Feel sorry to see innocent people are dying for nothing..
    How US Govt. is handling with their families after they die?
    I believe WE the civilians should bycott all this HELL WAR played by Govt.for there interest. We were safe and we will be safe if this Govt.stop killing innocent on others land.

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  97. Please respect other religion and you will be in peace.
    No one has right to say anything about ISLAM until he/she knows about it.
    Telling BS is simple then studying and finding the real thing.
    Anybody has any query about ISLAM please contact ask me at rajaluqman@hotmail.com

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