COLLECTIVE MADNESS


“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Wednesday, December 16, 2009

There's a cancer on this theory Mr Vice President


New revelations continue to unreel from Climategate just like in the heady Watergate days of the Saturday Night Massacre and the Smoking Gun Tape. The Russians dropped another bombshell Tuesday by reporting that the Hadley Center for Climate Change based at the headquarters of the British Meteorological Office had cherry picked climate data from weather stations covering the largest nation in the world.

Analysts say Russian meteorological stations cover most of the country's territory, and that the Hadley Center had used data submitted by only 25% of such stations in its reports. Over 40% of Russian territory was not included in global-temperature calculations for some other reasons, rather than the lack of meteorological stations and observations.

The data of stations located in areas not listed in the Hadley Climate Research Unit Temperature UK (HadCRUT) survey often does not show any substantial warming in the late 20th century and the early 21st century. The HadCRUT database includes specific stations providing incomplete data and highlighting the global-warming process, rather than stations facilitating uninterrupted observations.


CRU’s selective use of 25% of the data created 0.64C more warming than simply using all of the raw data would have done. The complete set of data show 1.4C rise since 1860, the CRU set shows 2.06C rise over the same period.

Apparently the data of 40% of the stations scattered across Russia (a nation spanning twelve times zones) was inconvenient to the current orthodoxy of a "science" which has only earned a single Nobel Prize, and that awarded to a politician.

190 comments:

  1. Had to fix the link real quick.

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  2. Next pet theory that goes down is Peak Oil.

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  3. Thanks DR Devolution!

    In pointing out the King David crimes you offer one of the examples used by those small brained, childish, religious Founders of the Republic and ratifiers of that gosh-awful Constitution for having an elected executive rather than a monarch.

    Repeatedly today, you have been helpful in your own spacial way.

    Sorry, T.

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  4. Allen, if you're apologizing for something I better know what it is. I'm the sort of person who likes to get bad news right away.

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  5. Such disrespect for the Founders and the US, allen, you should be ashamed of yourself, but I know you are not.

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  6. As part of the Obama administration's Afghanistan JAG Full Employment Act -

    US to expand eyes in the sky over Afghanistan

    What is the carbon expense of a Hellfire? This is something to think about in an eco-friendly war.

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  7. Why DR Devo, your main bud was all over this yesterday and the day before with whit and I. You, historian extraordinare were not in the loop? Shocking!

    O, you were in the loop. You just forgot which side you were on over such a long period of time.

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  8. There's supposed to be a stealth blimp they tested at Nellis AFB/ Groom Lake / Area 51. Arm that sucker with Hellfire missiles, paint it baby blue and OBL couldn't go take a piss in an outhouse without being targeted.

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  9. Here's a clue: the Jews and everyone else were on the side of the Constitution and the Founders.

    Which side were you on, again?

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  10. As to shame, DR Devo, I will admit qualms of conscience in continuing to engage you in conversation. However, as a useful idiot, you have your uses...so I'm told by the Elders of Zion.

    Just how you are going to aid in our conquest of Earth and the molestation of your women folk remains a mystery, but I am merely a drone...The Davidic stud muffins do all the thinking.

    Because we are humane, I am assured that there will be ample goats, sheep and camels for you slaves. Note: small children are a BIG NO! NO! You go for the pinky, you lose your dinky.

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  11. T puts up a good, thoughtful post on Climategate, and, immediately Allen comes out with 5 "Po ol' us Joos" comments.

    Now, Whit. What do you say? Are you going to threaten to run home to mama, again; or are you going to wait for me to call "Bullshit?"

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  12. Liar, liar, pants on fire!..."po Jews" were never mentioned...Po baby...

    I did mention, in passing only, bestiality and pederasty...That got your goat, so to speak?

    whit, here are my knuckles; take a whack; I've been a bad boy...I promise never to defend the Constitution or its Founders by ridiculing bumpkins again...No!...No!...No!

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  13. Ruffy, old man,

    The last thread, Sleepless in Hanoi, had great potential…until posts “3” and “4”. Those were Jewish screeds by your bunkmate, DR Devo. Where was your righteous indignation, then? Your brown shirt is showing, Hoss.

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  14. T, in July, 2008 we hit approx. 74.8 Million bpd of crude oil production (crude + Condensate.)

    Let's say, sometime in the future we hit 75 Million bpd. You might want to keep This in mind:

    From Jeffrey Brown,

    The relative net import numbers for the US, the largest OECD net oil importer, and China, the largest non-OECD net oil importer, are probably a good indication of where we are headed. In the 2006-2008 time frame inclusive, the large cumulative decline in US net oil imports was more than matched by the large cumulative increase in Chinese net oil imports--China bought every barrel of oil that we did not import, plus some. I expect to see this pattern continuing, i.e., non-OECD countries taking a larger share of declining net oil imports versus OECD countries taking a smaller share of declining net oil imports.

    Meanwhile, the slight decline in the annual volume of global net oil exports in the post-2005 time frame is highly misleading. I estimate that by the end of 2009 oil importers will have burned through 20% to 25% of the total volume of post-2005 global cumulative net oil exports.

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  15. Brown Shirt

    Incinerators

    You're getting a little ambitious with those Nazi/Holocaust references aren't you sweetheart?

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  16. Let's see; I don't like the Zionists pushing into Palestinian territory in the West Bank, and I mentioned the founders assigned a humanity of 3/5 to those with any African bloodline.

    For this, I'm labeled a "Nazi," and a future "Holocaust" supporter.

    You're becoming deranged, Bubba.

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  17. Rufus: T puts up a good, thoughtful post on Climategate, and, immediately Allen comes out with 5 "Po ol' us Joos" comments.

    I've already indicated that I put up articles when the comment count gets over 150 in order to avoid the problem with multiple pages of comments. That the articles also take left wing idiots to task is just icing on the cake. It's all good Rufus.

    And I really don't want to get in the middle of the Israeli stuff. As a woman my sympathies there lie on the side that is having its babies DELIBERATELY targeted and against the side that gives 70 year old ladies a hundred lashes. Besides, I'm writing a novel that includes a female IDF major named Lilith Gervasi who makes Xena look like Ghandi.

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  18. Well let's review what learned...

    Selective data collection can say anything...

    Censoring of how data is collected protects the
    "priests" of the data...

    Follow the money honey.... Follow the money....

    With any luck the chinese, arabs, russians, econazis and the obama/gore/soros knuckleheads may have actually over reached and the whole shooting match might be going down in flames...

    Let's all hope that children's nursery rhyme is coming true...

    Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
    Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
    All the king's horses and all the king's men
    Couldn't put Humpty together again

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  19. "Where was your righteous indignation, then? Your brown shirt is showing, Hoss."

    Allen, your whining victimhood grows wearisome. What is it another day and a half before we get a couple days break?


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  20. rufus: Let's see; I don't like the Zionists pushing into Palestinian territory in the West Bank


    I recall you called them something more than that...

    but even still...

    The legal term for the west bank is "disputed territories" no where in any Original LEGAL documents is it called "Palestinian territory" unless you are speaking about the League of Nations when they refer to the Palestinians (the Jews of course)

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  21. You, also, may want to consider This, T: Why you shouldn't depend on OPEC

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  22. No, WIO, the "legal" term for it is "land not belonging to Israel."

    As opposed to "Land belonging to Israel."

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  23. The fact is Israel matters...

    No matter how many times the rodent refers to it as the "zionist entity", isreal, war crime inventor or more...

    Israel matters...

    Israel is the canary in the mines of the world, what happens to it, in time, happens to the rest of the world

    The anti-israel lunatics are on the forefront of attempting to destroy the west. and these attempts once attempted at Israel move on to the rest of the world

    Hijackings, suicide bombings, ieds and terrorism in general had hit israel 1st..

    Now a new tact, using the west's court system to attack from...

    How long before American troops are accused of war crimes? oH that's right they are already being prosecuted for that...

    But notice the abuse of the British legal system never is used against the presidents of the PA, Sudan, Syria, Hamas, Iran, North Korea?

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  24. rufus said...
    No, WIO, the "legal" term for it is "land not belonging to Israel."

    As opposed to "Land belonging to Israel."


    Sorry Rufus, then the west bank is Israeli, Just look up the League of Nations statements on the subject...

    They are still valid.

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  25. There is not any nation called Palestine, nor has there ever been.

    Nations that do not exist do not have rights to lands that were never theirs...

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  26. Israel matters to you, Allen, and the Israelis. To most of the rest of the world . . . . .

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  27. The League of Nations?

    Why wouldn't I just go ask the descendents of the ancient Paelesti? Maybe they would have a different idea.

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  28. Again, rufus, where was the hype when your pal was taking shots at Jews?

    I just know good ole boys like you and Quirk stand for something.

    As to "sweetheart", I rest my case, you little vixen.

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  29. O, and Quirk, if it's too, too "wearisome", you little darlin', buzz off.

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  30. Quirk wrote:

    "What is it another day and a half before we get a couple days break?"

    What...Did you run out of fingers on both hands? Use your toes, Man.

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  31. "O, and Quirk, if it's too, too "wearisome", you little darlin', buzz off."

    The forensic equivalent of "Oh Yeah!!"

    What's next? "My dad can take your dad!"

    What a moron.

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  32. rufus said...
    The League of Nations?

    Why wouldn't I just go ask the descendents of the ancient Paelesti? Maybe they would have a different idea.


    The League of Nations is the modern institution that dealt with the lands of the middle east after the yoke of ottoman oppression was removed. It is the basis for the modern international legal system and is relevant in the discussion of these topics

    As for the actual descendents of the ancient lands of Israel? they are the Jews...

    If you look at the total area in question it is not just one tiny slice of the pie, the entire pie opens up for questioning...

    Jews are a historic people whose roots delve deep in the land of Israel. That is a fact.

    It is also a fact there was no such thing as a "Palestinian people" unless referring to the jews as well...

    in 1965 the PLo was formed by an egyptian, with the help of the egyptian secret police, to fight the state of israel, something the egyptians had failed at time and time again since 1948...

    Most of the nations of the middle east were created by modern western nations and the institutions they created... The League of Nations, followed by the UN...

    Israel is a member as a Nation to the UN, Palestine is still an observer and not a nation (by their own choice)

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  33. Let's all get together, now, and sing, one, two, three, here we go--

    (you lead in, Ruf)

    Hide the Decline

    Surely some laws have been badly broken here. Knowing nothing about science law, it does seem reasonable though, that if the people's money is involved, and scientific standards are intentionally broken, somebody(s) is at risk.

    Anybody hazard a quess as to where the next wheel comes off? Cause this is a hell of a train wreck.

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  34. Somewhat predates Moses, I think.

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  35. Hey, Now Quirk's a "Good Ol' Boy."

    Now it DR, Rufus, And Quirk. We're picking up strength.

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  36. rufus said...
    Israel matters to you, Allen, and the Israelis. To most of the rest of the world . . . . .

    Yep you are correct rufus. MOST of the world would love to see Israel erased...

    This is not new...

    Not to fret, Israel and the Jews really dont give a shit what MOST of the world thinks anyway...

    Most of the world?

    Now that describes a whole lot of inbred human fecal matter....

    Most of the world....

    Let's be honest...

    israel and the Jews understand that most of the world is china ,india or islam

    Rufus, maybe you just dont appreciate Israel and I can understand why you dont... But if Israel were so damned unimportant then WHY does the world involve it'sself in Israel's business?

    Certainly Israel land seizures are TINY compared to China's, Russia, Sudans, kashmir?

    Certainly the death toll inflected on the "palestinians" is tiny when compared to darfur, tibet, zimbawa?

    So really if the world doesnt care about israel why obsess about an area of land less than 20 miles by 10 miles?

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  37. This fight's getting unfair. I'm going to bed. Here's to the "Good Ol' Boys."

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  38. rufus said...
    Somewhat predates Moses, I think.

    sure does....

    but the "palesinians" are not Canaanites

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  39. Friday afternoon and evening, allen posted NOTHING.

    Saturday (Shabbat) allen posted NOTHING.

    On Saturday, DR posted:
    The Zion project, Ms T, is abhorrent to any freedom loving person, as it is presently constituted.

    It is a continuing war crime.
    A violation of the Geneva Accords.
    First and foremost. Until that situation is rectified, there will be no possibility of peace.

    That the illegal territorial claims of that Zionist entity have been spun into a global religious war, an indication of success for the Zionist propaganda ministry and its' many minions.
    Sun Dec 13, 07:13:00 AM EST
    Zionist entity, that was Ms T, bob.

    Trying to get me to not use Isr....

    Which is a Zionist entity, no?
    Sun Dec 13, 07:43:00 AM EST
    Along with the Anti Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, which states unequivocally that Glenn Beck is a danger to our Republic, being the "Fear-monger in Chief", for promoting his 'birther' beliefs.

    A position you hold dear.
    Sun Dec 13, 07:47:00 AM EST
    Here I thought you advocated not responding ...

    More misdirection.

    I take the position held by the United States of America, through multiple Administrations.

    Those settlements are an abhorrent obstacle to peace.
    They are illegal under the Law of Nations.
    Sun Dec 13, 08:12:00 AM EST
    Oh, for you doug, the Isreali spokesman that declared the United States to really be the Iroquois territory was Daniel Seamen.

    Ms. Clinton’s press spokesman was asked if President Obama’s demand to halt expansion of “West Bank Jewish communities” included a demand to stop expansion of Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem.

    The answer was affirmative. The U.S. State Department demands that Israel limit Jewish growth in these areas of Jerusalem, “whose status remains to be determined” in negotiations.

    Israeli Government Press Director Daniel Seamen reacted to this Obama administration statement by saying: “I have to admire the residents of Iroquois territory for assuming that they have a right to determine where Jews should live in Jerusalem.”

    The Zionists are looking for equivalency with the Iroquois.
    Sun Dec 13, 07:55:00 PM EST
    The source for the above quote, a Zionist with a nice gray beard.

    Proud of Mr Seaman for making the claim that the US is still Indian territory.

    Which in many regards, it is. Especially out here in the West, where the various Indians tribes have Federal Reservations that have their own form of sovereignty, they are beyond the regulatory authority of the States.

    Which the Zionist entity does not allow to the Palestinians.

    So their attempt at equivalency with US and the Iroquois falls short
    Sun Dec 13, 08:04:00 PM EST


    On Sunday, allen posted NOTHING.

    On Monday, allen posted NOTHING.

    DR wrote:
    Or by the Russians, who pulled their tanks from Georgia.

    Or in the Lebanese section of the Levant, where US allies won the election.

    Or in Iraq where the withdrawal continues and the Russians recovered their oil concessions.

    Or in Hopeinhagen, where there is no climate accord.

    Or in the Levant, where the Zionist settlements continue to violate the Law of Nations.

    Obama and US have not been rolled anywhere, outside the US. We are maintaining course and speed.


    Domestically, all the EB fears have, to date, been unjustified, as it is the liberal left that was rolled, as predicted here for more than a year.
    Mon Dec 14, 08:02:00 AM EST


    So, for FOUR days, allen wrote NOTHING. DR wrote a great deal about Jewish issues. And allen is "wearisome". Yeah…uppity Kike! Next thing you know, Nigras will be commenting.

    You make me want to puke, you pusillanimous, supercilious, egocentric hypocrite!

    O, and if your dad(?) was like you, my sister could have whipped you both.

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  40. Jewish Town Makes Menorah Out of Qassam Rockets

    He's not making any converts, Allen. He just gets beat up every time the subject comes up. Everyone can see right through him.

    I've been trying to find a good article about CO2 readings from Mauna Loa and how they might be skewed by gas from Kilauea, but no success yet.

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  41. "You make me want to puke, you pusillanimous, supercilious, egocentric hypocrite!"

    :)

    Thank you Allen. You've made my day.

    If one can get past your weariness, your always good for a laugh.


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  42. bob,

    Sorry, my friend, but he does have his peanut gallery. Look at what has just transpired.

    It's a pity and says a great deal about why this site (with marvelous potential) can't keep worthwhile patrons.

    By the way, my last was directed at Quirk, not DR Devo.

    I have probably done Quirk a disservice in calling him a "hypocrite". Hypocrisy implies the violation of a recognized belief system.

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  43. Cophenhagen Choo-Choo

    Hey there, pal, whatcha say?
    Step aside partner, it's my day
    To sit here in the cold and whine away...
    Break a few storefronts
    Throw a few stones,..
    Beats the heck outta staying at home...

    Pardon me boys, is that the Copenhagen Choo Choo?
    Yes Yes You're right on time.
    Hey, notice the ground? It's really hot-
    Must be that climate change is what we've got.

    Can you afford to board the Copenhagen Choo Choo?
    Bring a diaper or two, maybe one to share...

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  44. DINKY

    O what's the weather in a Beard?
    It's windy there, and rather weird,
    And when you think the sky has cleared
    ---Why, there is Dirty Dinky.


    Suppose you walk out in a Storm,
    With nothing on to keep you warm,
    And then step barefoot on a Worm
    ---Of course, it's Dirty Dinky.


    As I was crossing a hot hot Plain,
    I saw a sight that caused me pain,
    You asked me before, I'll tell you again:
    ---It looked like Dirty Dinky.


    Last night you lay a-sleeping? No!
    The room was thirty-five below;
    The sheets and blankets turned to snow.
    ---He'd got in: Dirty Dinky.


    You'd better watch the things you do.
    You'd better watch the things you do.
    You're part of him; he's part of you
    ---rat, you may be Dirty Dinky.

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  45. REPLY TO CENSURE

    Repulse the staring eye,
    The hostile gaze of hate,
    And check the pedantry
    Of those inveterate

    Defamers of the good.
    They mock the deepest thought,
    Condemn the fortitude
    Whereby true work is wrought.

    Though just men are reviled
    When cravens cry them down,
    The brave keep undefiled
    A wisdom of their own.

    The bold wear toughened skin
    That keeps sufficient store
    Of dignity within,
    And quiet at the core.

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  46. BALLAD OF THE CLAIRVOYANT WIDOW

    A kindly Widow Lady, who lived upon a hill,
    Climbed to her attic window and gazed across the sill.

    "Oh tell me, Widow Lady, what is it that you see,
    As you look across my city, in God's country?"

    "I see ten million widows, I see ten thousand streets,
    I see the traffic doing miraculous feats.

    The lawyers all are cunning, the business men are fat,
    Their wives go out on Sunday beneath the latest hat.

    The kids play cops and robbers, the kids play mumbley-peg,
    Some learn the art of theieving, and some grow up to beg;

    The rich can play at polo, the poor can do the shag,
    Professors are condoning the cultural lag.

    I see a banker's mansion with twenty wood-grate fires,
    Alone, his wife is grieving for what her heart desires.

    Next door there is a love-nest of paster board and tin,
    The rats soon will be leaving, the snow will come in."

    "Clairvoyant Widow Lady, with an eye like a telescope,
    Do you see any sign or semblance of that thing called 'Hope'?"

    "I see the river harbor, alive with men and ships,
    A surgeon guides his scalpel with thumb and finger-tips.

    I see grandpa surviving a series of seven strokes,
    The unemployed are telling stale unemployment jokes.

    The gulls ride on the water, the gulls have come and gone,
    The men on rail and roadway keep moving on and on.

    The salmon climb the rivers, the rivers nudge the sea,
    The green comes up forever in the fields of our country."

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  47. Anybody hazard a quess as to where the next wheel comes off? Cause this is a hell of a train wreck.

    Don't pay no 'tention to Ash in matters of wheels 'n such, Bob. I reckon he's still trying to figger out how to change his oil. Usin' the scientific method.

    Fuckin' dilettante.

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  48. THE SHY MAN

    The full moon was shining upon the broad sea;
    I sang to the one star that looked down at me;
    I sang to the white horse that grazed on the quay,-
    As I walked by the high sea wall.
    But my lips they,
    My lips they,
    Said never a word,
    As I moped by the high sea wall.

    The curlew's slow night song came on the water.
    That tremble of sweet notes set my heart astir,
    As I walked beside her, the O'Connell's daughter,
    I knew that I did love her,
    But my lips they,
    My lips they,
    Said never a word,
    As we walked by the high sea wall.

    The full moon has fallen, the night wind is down
    As I lie here thinking in bleak Bofin town
    I lie here thinking, 'I am not alone.'
    For here close beside me is O'Connell's daughter,
    And my lips they, my lips they,
    Say many a word,
    As we embrace by the high sea wall.
    O! My lips they, my lips they,
    Say many a word,
    As we embrace by the high sea wall.

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  49. The Mistake

    He left his pants upon a chair;
    She was a widow, so she said:
    But he was apprehended, bare,
    By one who rose up from the dead.






    The restored

    In a hand like a bowl
    Danced my own soul,
    Small as an elf,
    All by itself.

    When she thought I thought
    She dropped as if shot.
    'I've only one wing,' she said,
    'The other's gone dead.'

    'I'm mained; I can't fly;
    I'm like to die,'
    Cried the soul
    From my hand like a bowl.

    When I raged, when I wailed,
    And my reason failed,
    That delicate thing
    Grew back a new wing,

    And danced, at high noon,
    On a hot, dusty stone,
    In the still point of light
    Of my last midnight.







    and goodnight

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  50. Oh, hi there Linear, didn't notice you, copying out this Theodore Roethke as I was, trying to bust up the dialogue a little.

    Naw, I don't worry about Ash, I get a kick out of him actually.

    I've never seen a guy that almost unerringly ends up trying to argue impossibilities.

    'Tis a hard row to hoe, as we say.

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  51. "Friday afternoon and evening, allen posted NOTHING."

    So, it is about a day and a half before we get another break.

    With regard to your little cut and paste exercise, while impressive, it's a little off target since I usually disagree with the Rat on most things Israeli. My wearisome commment was prompted by your "brown shirt" comment to Rufus.

    Admittedly, the Rufster can tend to get a little heated at times especially when he feels he is being unfairly accused of being a "brown shirt" or as the bar's peacekeeper, Whit, likes to call him a "bigot".

    However, regardless of whether I agree with his opinions or not, he still has a right to them. Your calling him a brown shirt isn't going to change his mind, and I doubt it will impress many people at the bar (well maybe one or two).


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  52. Cut and paste, who even reads those long diatribes?

    I certainly do not.

    allen's inferiority complex is showing, the "little man" syndrome. Bet he grows "beer muscles", too.

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  53. Success by Team Obamamerica

    By REUTERS
    COPENHAGEN (Reuters) - China has told participants at UN climate change negotiations it sees no possibility of achieving an operational accord to tackle global warming this week, an official involved in the talks said on Thursday.

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  54. Getting Back To The Topic At Hand, Here's A Good Article--The Great Hoax

    the great hoax, holy smokes, we almost had 'em folks, alas, now we're just jokes

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  55. Funnier, still:

    BBC News - ‎15 hours ago‎

    Nato Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen has asked Russia to provide helicopters to Afghanistan to help win the war against the Taliban insurgency.

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  56. The LATimes, doug, reports that "self deportation" has slowed the growth of the immigrant community, but has not reversed it.

    How bad would things have to get, before there would be a reduction in net illegal immigration? Why when the conditions in the US were worse than in Mexico.
    Which ain't happening soon.

    The country's financial meltdown and post-Sept. 11 immigration enforcement have slowed the growth of minority groups here.
    ...
    Pitkin said that if immigration continues to slow, it would affect planning and education. It also would mean fewer workers paying into Social Security and Medicare.

    "The flow of immigration makes it more difficult to finance Social Security," Pitkin said. "It does slow down the economy a bit."

    But it is hard to forecast immigration patterns, said D'Vera Cohn of the Pew Research Center.

    "In terms of thinking of the U.S. and what kind of country it is, it's important to realize that its racial and ethnic composition is changing," she said. "It's hard to say if the lower immigration flow will become the new normal."

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  57. Hebrew speaking German (Shepherd) sent to Helena Montana.

    Joos in the News

    Speaking of my newspaper — please, it’s the holidays, a time for indulgence in all things — they recently discovered a newsworthy item from the Mountain West: Jews in Montana. Imagine!

    One more bit of news on this front: the nation’s first elected Jewish governor was a Western man. And a Democrat. In Idaho. Moses Alexander governed the land of famous potatoes from 1915 to 1919.

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  58. The supremes have not also mandated free welfare, have they?
    (other than the emergency rooms)

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  59. Olmert offered Abbas Gaza expansion in return for settlement blocs - Ha'aretz

    The Arabfats said "No", rejecting the offer. They want "their" land back.

    But does indicate that the Zionists recognize that those settlement lands are not really part of Isreal and must still be legally obtained, from the Arabfats.

    Who will not budge from their righteous claim to title.

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  60. I am not sure, doug, what else the Supremes have mandated with regards the residents without papers.

    But the entire idea of demands to "see your papers", here in the US is repugnant. To much like Germany, for me, but for authoritarian Eastern Europeons, feels just like home.

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  61. The implementation of the Olmert plan would require the evacuation of tens of thousands of settlers and the removal of hallmarks of the West Bank settlement enterprise such as Ofra, Beit El, Elon Moreh and Kiryat Arba, as well as the Jewish community in Hebron itself.

    The ugly truth of land exchanges, what Olmert offered, is not enough, not by half.

    The Zionist will learn that crime doesn't pay. Even if the crime was begun in 1967. 42 years of criminal activity does not change a Tiger's stripes, nor legalize any war crime.

    As allen told us is the case, with regards the Swiss and those private bankers.

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  62. Los Angeles Times - Teresa Watanabe

    Asians have traditionally joined the military at the lowest rate among all races, but -- lured by job security, college aid and, for some, citizenship -- they are signing up in larger numbers.

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  63. "Bang Bros really banged my life."
    Golf Porn Earns Lifetime Ban

    Fisher Island Community Association chief executive Mark James, a burly man in a blue sport coat, counters Quintana's frantic hostility with exhausted candor. He tells the intruder there's nothing he can do to reinstate him — and then expresses a sentiment that won't be found in any of Fisher Island's glossy catalogues. "I wouldn't live here for a million dollars," James mutters sympathetically. "They tried to give me an apartment here and I told them I would rather shoot myself in the head. I wouldn't do it because of all the fighting. I guess rich people like to fight with each other."

    James has strayed far from the company line, and he certainly would have chosen his words differently if he were aware that Quintana's companion was a New Times reporter. (Indeed, he later denied saying it and threatened legal action.) But many people would feel the same way about living in this status-obsessed community had they suffered Quintana's fate. After unwittingly renting a condo to a porn crew, the longtime property owner has gone from island hero to pariah. He claims he is now unable to rent his three multimillion-dollar luxury condos, which are in foreclosure. He's even contemplating bankruptcy. "When you first hear my story, you think, How could a porno flick really fuck this guy's life up?" says the 42-year-old mortgage lender. "But it did. I feel like killing myself."
    ---
    It turns out Quintana had rented his apartment to Bangbros.com, an online porn giant based in Miami. Its auteurs produced Sexy Golfing Experience, which sounds like an unauthorized Tiger Woods biography but is in fact a hard-core skin flick starring zeppelin-breasted actress Devon Lee.

    That earned him a new nickname: "The Porn King of Fisher Island."

    Soon after, he says, the Fisher Island Community Association (which declined to comment) brought the hammer down. According to two November letters from the association, "certain of Mr. Quintana's access and use privileges have been suspended." Among the punishments listed: In the lineup to place his car on the ferry, he's relegated to "Lane 3 and 4," the dreaded employee slots. He must gain "clearance" in person for all "guests and invitees" at the public safety office and pay $50 per person when he brings somebody in. Most damaging, the association declared it "would not be entering into any rental exception agreements" with Quintana, effectively banning him from renting his condos.

    In short, Quintana went from Brahmin to untouchable. The letters do not mention the porno but cite "disruptive and noncompliant behavior.

    The restrictions cost him "in excess of $100,000 a month," he would later claim in court. So he stopped paying condo fees and now owes the association $250,000, he says. He was banned from the Fisher Island Club, and his new girlfriend, a Telemundo anchorwoman who lives on the island, was recently informed she could not bring him to the club as a guest.
    ---
    Quintana, meanwhile, is in trouble. His three remaining luxury units are now worth $5.6 million — almost $3 million less than their purchase prices. Banks might soon take them over. Fisher Island, he says, is his "Alcatraz." Then his voice breaks as he remarks, "Bang Bros really banged my life."

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  64. Riches to Rags:
    "In the early days, Quintana was among the top investors, buying 15 condos and spending $45 million, by his estimation. Back then, he was the flashy socialite who drove a Ferrari, sponsored polo matches at the Fisher Island Club, and always arrived by chopper."

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  65. "Among the punishments listed:
    In the lineup to place his car on the ferry, he's relegated to
    "Lane 3 and 4,"
    the dreaded employee slots."
    (shakes head)

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  66. One more bit of news on this front: the nation’s first elected Jewish governor was a Western man. And a Democrat. In Idaho. Moses Alexander governed the land of famous potatoes from 1915 to 1919.

    Well, Thank You, al-Doug. I didn't know that. I'm proud of that fact. I wonder how I missed that?

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  67. "But the entire idea of demands to "see your papers", here in the US is repugnant."
    ---
    Yeah, we're all just citizens of the Welt, Anyhoo, Right?
    We don't need no stinkin borders!
    I'm tearing down my fence tommorrow.
    ...reminds me of the Joos.

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  68. Remember folks,

    The Rodent described his security setup in detail, to include a trip wire, firearms, dog, and etc.

    Pretty damned Repugnant Rodent!

    Who is he to say that property is HIS???

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  69. Dinky stole it from the Indians and the Mexicans, al-doug, but you knew that. He lives on occupied territory.

    Dirty Dinky can freeze the very sheets.

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  70. The official VDH list--

    Victor Hanson looks back at the "historic" year of this "historic" presidency in " Why Are We Tiring of Obama?" and finds the real record not even rising to an "F" for the Tiger Woods of Politics:

    Constant apologies abroad for everything from slavery to Hiroshima

    Bows to Saudi royalty, the Japanese emperor, and Chinese autocrats


    The on-again/off-again Guantanamo shut-down mess


    The fight with the former CIA directors


    The public show trial of Khalid Sheik Mohammed


    The reach out to Ahmadinejad Castro, Chavez, and assorted thugs


    The Honduras fiasco


    Czars everywhere


    The serial "€Å“Bush did it"/reset whine abroad


    The Queen of England/I-pod fiasco


    Gordon Brown gets snookered in his gift-giving


    Unceremoniously shipping back the Churchill bust


    The end of the special relationship with the UK


    The New York on-the-town presidential splurge


    Anita Dunn and her Mao worship


    Timothy Geithner/Tom Daschle/Hilda Solis and their taxes


    What ever happened to Gov. Richardson?


    €Å“"No lobbyists" = gads of them


    The Podestas' insider influence-peddling empire


    Sotomayor’s â€Å“wise Latina” chauvinism


    The Special Olympics silly quip


    Trashing Nancy Reagan


    The Skip Gates/police acting "stupidly"€ mess


    The get-Chicago-the-Olympics jaunt to Copenhagen


    Cap-and-trade boondoggle


    “Millions of green jobs”


    Ignore gas, oil, coal, and nuclear power production


    Cash-for-clunkers


    The Joe Biden gaffe machine


    Jobs “saved” or “created” rather than references to the actual unemployment rates


    Van Jones, the racist and truther


    Desiree Rogers won’t testify


    The blowback from, and silence about, the Rangel/Dodd corruption


    The White House party crashers plan to take the 5th Amendment


    The ‘bipartisanship’ con


    The pork-barrel stimulus spoils


    The demonization of the Town-Hallers


    The Acorn Mess


    The Kevin Jennings/Safe School Czar embarrassment


    The SEIU direct access to the White House


    The Asian Tour comedown


    The politicization of the take-over of GM and Chrysler


    The Obama readjustment in the order of paying back car creditors


    Car dealerships closed on shaky criteria


    Obama as “Caesar”


    The Emanuel “never let a serious crisis go to waste” boast


    The Black Caucus/Rangel/Waters bid to bail out the inner-city radio stations


    Yosi Sergant and the NEA


    $1.7 trillion deficit


    The planned $9 trillion added to the national debt


    New income tax rates; health care surcharge talk; and payroll tax caps to be lifted


    Rahm Emanuel’s promised payback to those states that trash the stimulus


    The supposed C-span aired health care debate


    The promised website posts of pending legislation


    Czechs and Poles sold out on missile defense


    Sermons to and finger pointing at the Israelis


    The failed ‘Putin helps to stop a nuclear Iran’ gambit


    Voting present on the Iranian reformers in the street


    Serial but empty deadlines to Ahmadinejad


    The good war/bad war twisting and turning on Iraq/Afghanistan


    The months-long dithering over Afghanistan


    Renditions, tribunals, Patriot Act, etc. once trashed, now OK


    Health-care take-over


    The 2,000 page proposed new health code


    The embarrassing Nobel Peace Prize nomination


    The attacks on surgeons, Chamber of Commerce, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, etc.


    The Islam mythologies in the Cairo Speech


    The al Arabiya “Bush did it” interview


    Obama’s TV “my Muslim faith” gaffe


    “It’s clear we are on the precipice of achievement that’s eluded Congresses, presidents for generations — an achievement that will touch the lives of nearly every American.”

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  71. Charlie Crist v. the GOP Future [Rich Lowry]

    As Larry Sabato points out in the Tweet Tracker, Crist is going to have to go hard negative against Rubio now. So we're basically going to watch a politician without a core (witness the brazen flip-flop on stimulus and the appointment of a placeholder friend to the Senate seat) trash a politician who has the qualities to become a national star (young, dynamic, Latino, and conservative). Crist will have to stand in the way of the GOP future, yelling "Stop"!

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  72. @jimgeraghty Seriously? Woods got Athlete of the Decade over Lance Armstrong? What dread disease has Tiger overcome? Besides sex addiction, I mean? 12/16 11:40 A.M. -

    @stevebruskCNN Timing could be better, but Tiger Woods was just named Athlete of the Decade by the Associated Press 12/16 10:16 A.M. -

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  73. Leaving France
    by Baron Bodissey

    Muslims make up more than 10% of the population of France, the largest proportion in any Western European country. Not surprisingly, France has also experienced a dramatic surge in anti-Semitic incidents during the last decade or so.

    Tundra Tabloids has posted an interview with Ami Cammarella, an Israeli-born French doctor, who talks about the reasons why more and more Jews are deciding to leave France.
    Some excerpts...

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  74. The Wikimedia Foundation is the non-profit organization I created in 2003 to operate, grow, nurture, and protect Wikipedia. For ten million US dollars a year and with a staff of fewer than 35 people, it runs the fifth most-read website in the entire world.
    I'm asking for your help so we can continue our work.

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  75. It seems there were left-leaning pro-Palestinian Jews even in the days when the book of Ruth was being written.

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  76. Doug ReTweeted: @jimgeraghty Seriously? Woods got Athlete of the Decade over Lance Armstrong? What dread disease has Tiger overcome? Besides sex addiction, I mean?

    Sex addiction isn't bad per se. Compare it to a television show. I was addicted to Xena: Warrior Princess. I never missed a week. But Tiger is the proverbial man with the remote control who doesn't care what's on TV so much as what else is on TV.

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  77. On this thread, the first penalty is called on Allen; Personal Foul, Unsportsmanlike conduct.

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  78. whit,

    Re: personal foul

    Which was what?

    Again, I ask Rufus to explain his lack of editorial zeal when his pal was posting long anti-XXXXX remarks during my absence and since.

    Rufus will not because he is exactly as I portray him, an anti-XXXXXX "bigot".

    (Note, WiO, the use of "Xs. We would not want to offend our gentle neighbors at the EB.)

    "The sting of insult is truth."
    B. Franklin

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  79. I knew, I loved you for a reason not that I was addicted to Xena but I was secretly addicted to Buffy. And it sucks because every show is on syndication but that one.

    I guess it's not a secret anymore.

    T, it was a great post after I sifted through all the bullshit that I've been reading the last two weeks.

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  80. I now get it...

    Just read about Solomon and the two women and the baby...

    The Jewish woman KNOWS it's her child, the other woman (palestinian) wants it all even if it kills it...

    Israel wants peace and will sacrifice for peace, even offering it's OWN historic land for peace..

    The other? wants it all and doesnt care who or what it kills to get it...

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  81. Yes, doug, if the US were going to secure its borders, triple strand concertina, guard posts, roving patrols and aerial recon would all be in order.

    But the United States is not going to secure its borders, not anytime in the next twenty years.
    My senior Senator who is also the Republican Standard bearer, Maverick McCain, is dead set against that. It will never become policy in either of our lifetimes.

    The course for the integration of North America is set in, there is no force that divert the Leviathan from that goal.
    The full force of US capitalism is at play, now, in Mexico.

    We will survive, without the wall.
    So would those in the Levant.

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  82. As the United States so greatly exemplifies, folks can live in safety and security, even if they are Jewish.

    Without the need for security walls, ID cards and religious certification from the State.

    That the Europeons that were given authority in the Levant, by the international community, chose to create a society based upon a war crime annexation and a Jim Crow culture, instead, well ...
    The responsibility and future price of that folly is on their heads, not mine.

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  83. The Isreali will not repudiate their criminal activities, their proposed "sacrifice" is none at all.

    They wish to retain the majority of the stolen loot, just as those Swiss bankers did.

    There is the equivalency, Swiss bankers and Zionist, profiting from the misfortunes of others, by means of a criminal conspiracy.

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  84. WiO,

    Re: your 08:48, instant

    I see that you used the word "Jewish" and "Israel". That is verboten unless done disparagingly.

    Therefore, PLEASE use some variation "XXXXXX" instead.

    This weekend, while some revel in Der Ring des Nibelungen, I'll be eating fine food, drinking first rate wine, making love to a beautiful XXXXXX woman and attending XXXXXXXXX, ending the holiday of XXXXXXXX. Here's hoping that your weekend is as well spent, my friend.

    Get this, when I'm on the road my lady will call when she is ready to kindle the XXXXXXXX candles to recite the blessings with me. She is a dream come true.

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  85. MeLoDy: I knew, I loved you for a reason not that I was addicted to Xena but I was secretly addicted to Buffy. And it sucks because every show is on syndication but that one.

    I love you too, MLD, but in a different way from Bob-al-Harb the Idahoovian. Your feminine soul comes out in your posts and adds a certain je ne sais qua to the Elephant Bar.

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  86. As to the US west being occupied, stolen from the original title holders, I would agree. As did Abe Lincoln and US Grant, but bob has told me that was not the case, at all. The Mexicans we took this land from, he says, had no claim to it.

    I did disagree about that.

    As to the Indians that were here, prior to the Mexican annexation of the land, they have semi-autonomous "States" of their own, within the US, now. Independent of control by local State laws and regulations.

    Not at all comparable to the situation in the Levant, where the Zionist have spent 42 years attempting to force the Arabfats to "self-deport" through economic deprivation. As per Bibi, Nov '08.

    That policy of "self-deportation" failed there, too.

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  87. dan:
    And now the Russian government is officially saying that the Climategate revelations means that its own data do not prove AGW.
    http://icecap.us/images/uploads/BOMBSHELL.pdf
    Wake up people, the ground is shifting.

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  88. I love that pin-up of MLD that linear posted.

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  89. Pelosi: Copenhagen trip really about jobs

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., may be headed to the climate conference in Copenhagen, but the focus of the trip has shifted away from global warming and on to job creation.

    Pelosi is headed to Denmark with 20 other House lawmakers, including six Republicans, to join in talks aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

    But Pelosi insists the trip is really about lowering the unemployment rate, which is threatening to put a serious dent in the Democratic majority in the 2010 election.
    According to Pelosi, the group will meet with representatives from countries involved in the climate talks as well as business leaders and advocacy groups, “to discuss job creation.”

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  90. This Global Warming hoopla is reminiscent of other UN projects. Where much was promised, but little delivered. Where the net effect of their handiwork was negative to the stability and prosperity of the people involved with living on the ground, with the results of the decisions made on Oyster Bay.

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  91. The Russians, who bought the drone technology from the Zionists, in Isreal.

    Just as rufus predicted.

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  92. Since 09:00 EST, DR Devolution has posted the following:

    We will survive, without the wall.
    So would those in the Levant.
    Thu Dec 17, 09:05:00 AM EST

    As the United States so greatly exemplifies, folks can live in safety and security, even if they are Jewish.

    Without the need for security walls, ID cards and religious certification from the State.

    That the Europeons that were given authority in the Levant, by the international community, chose to create a society based upon a war crime annexation and a Jim Crow culture, instead, well ...
    The responsibility and future price of that folly is on their heads, not mine.
    Thu Dec 17, 09:10:00 AM EST

    The Isreali will not repudiate their criminal activities, their proposed "sacrifice" is none at all.

    They wish to retain the majority of the stolen loot, just as those Swiss bankers did.

    There is the equivalency, Swiss bankers and Zionist, profiting from the misfortunes of others, by means of a criminal conspiracy.
    Thu Dec 17, 09:13:00 AM EST

    Not at all comparable to the situation in the Levant, where the Zionist have spent 42 years attempting to force the Arabfats to "self-deport" through economic deprivation. As per Bibi, Nov '08.

    That policy of "self-deportation" failed there, too.
    Thu Dec 17, 09:21:00 AM EST

    …and not a peep from the peanut gallery…Hmm…Come on ladies, let's see your true colors.

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  93. Insurgents in Iraq Hack U.S. Drones

    Militants in Iraq have used $26 off-the-shelf software to intercept live video feeds from U.S. Predator drones, potentially providing them with information they need to evade or monitor U.S. military operations.

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  94. U.S. Ready to Join Climate-Aid Fund
    Hillary Clinton proposed that major economies including the U.S. come up with $100 billion a year over the next decade for developing nations to fight climate change.
    (and create jobs, of course!)

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  95. DR Devolution wrote:

    "The Russians, who bought the drone technology from the Zionists, in Isreal."

    Linkage evidence please. Or did you come by this oracle the same way you do your responses to my unread posts, clairvoyance?

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  96. If Isrealis were stand-up folk, they'd train their bomb sniffing dogs to respond to commands
    IN ENGLISH!

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  97. Only War Criminal Zionists would speak to dogs in Hebrew!

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  98. No evidence required, beyond what is publicly known, allen.

    The Russians bought UAV technologies from the Zionists.
    A known.

    The Russians supplied UAV technolgy to the Iranians
    A known.

    The Iranians used that UAV technology against US.
    A known.

    Rufus predicted such a series of events.
    A known.

    That there is a connection between the Isreali sale of UAV technology and the Iranians using it against US.
    That is a supposition, that you made, based upon known data sets.

    Not one made by me.

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  99. You connected the dots, allen, then demanded "more".

    funny stuff, that

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  100. While it does look like a "Slam Dunk" for rufus!

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  102. rufus oughta take a victory lap, but for the fact it is a US loss, chalked up to our "allies" avarice.

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  103. DR Devolution wrote:

    "No evidence required, beyond what is publicly known, allen."

    Oh my, I didn't realize I would be asking you to reveal state secrets. Carry on, soldier.

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  104. DR Devolution wrote:

    "That there is a connection between the Isreali sale of UAV technology and the Iranians using it against US.
    That is a supposition, that you made, based upon known data sets."

    Do you hear the voices only at night? Are drugs and/or alcohol involved?

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  105. I do not have access to "State secrets", allen.

    Just the whirled wide web.

    The known truths are enough to indict. Especially given the criminal record of the suspect.

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  106. If you did not suppose a connection 'tween Isreali UAV technology sales and Iranian use of UAV technologies, why demand more evidence?

    I had made no claim to a connection, only that rufus had predicted that such a series of events would come to pass.
    That was based upon the publicly known sale of UAV tech to the Russians, by the Zionists in the Levant.

    His predictions came true.

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  107. As to cause and effect, let the reader decide.

    I already have.

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  108. DR Devolutions’ continued anti-XXXXXXX posts since 09:00 EST:


    The Russians, who bought the drone technology from the Zionists, in Isreal.

    Just as rufus predicted.
    Thu Dec 17, 09:51:00 AM EST


    No evidence required, beyond what is publicly known, allen.

    The Russians bought UAV technologies from the Zionists.
    A known.

    The Russians supplied UAV technolgy to the Iranians
    A known.

    The Iranians used that UAV technology against US.
    A known.

    Rufus predicted such a series of events.
    A known.

    That there is a connection between the Isreali sale of UAV technology and the Iranians using it against US.
    That is a supposition, that you made, based upon known data sets.

    Not one made by me.
    Thu Dec 17, 10:09:00 AM EST


    rufus oughta take a victory lap, but for the fact it is a US loss, chalked up to our "allies" avarice.
    Thu Dec 17, 10:21:00 AM EST


    …still not a sound of complaint from the peanut gallery…Hmm…

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  109. Doug: Militants in Iraq have used $26 off-the-shelf software to intercept live video feeds from U.S. Predator drones, potentially providing them with information they need to evade or monitor U.S. military operations.

    Coming from a crypto background I find that incredibly stupid of the CIA. Maybe this is what Obama means by "transparency".

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  110. Thugs In The Center Ring Of The Copenhagen Circus
    Dave Horowitz

    The United Nations-sponsored global warming circus in Copenhagen saved its biggest round of applause for one of the world’s biggest emitters of hot air – Hugo Chavez.

    Here is what this thuggish clown told his audience, revealing what the conference’s ideological agenda is really all about:

    capitalism is the road to hell….let’s fight against capitalism and make it obey us.

    Not ot be outdone, one of the world’s leading human rights abusers, Zimbabwe’s dictator Robert Mugabe , complained:

    "When these capitalist gods of carbon burp and belch their dangerous emissions, it’s we, the lesser mortals of the developing sphere who gasp and sink and eventually die."

    And who comes along on cue to defend the Copenhagen circus on “The O’Reilly Factor” and endorse the transfer of hundreds of billions of dollars from the West to the ‘developing sphere?’ None other than O’Reilly’s resident radical Left clown, Marc Lamont Hill. That should be no surprise since Hill’s radical ideology attracts him to such socialist stalwarts as Fidel Castro.

    I have a better idea for O’Reilly’s use of Hill than as a commentator on issues of which he knows nothing about. Since Hill’s real expertise is hip-hop culture, Hill should hop right over to Copenhagen on O’Reilly’s dime and put together a hip-hop concert to entertain the conference protestors and attendees alike. That could turn out to be the only real accomplishment of the two-week circus.

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  111. ISRAEL:
    State Sponsor of Iranian terror
    ?

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  112. 60. toad:

    A lot of your “Homeless” alcoholics and druggies are using the stuff to self-medicate their “bi-polar” mental conditions.

    They go off the prescribed stuff because of the side effects, their bodies have adapted to the prescribed drugs, or the effect of the prescribed stuff is too weak.

    So you end up with people who have an addiction on top of a mental condition.

    Of course I blame a lot of this stuff on the closing down of the mental institutions for the “outpatient treatment” theory and the “crazies have civil rights also” movements.

    Meanwhile these homeless also have STDs, hepatitis,and a host of other problems.

    This is why you have a glove carrier on you duty belt, A compact CPR tube, and hope your hepatitis shot is working.

    Even then you initiate conversation from as far away as practical.
    Some of them can gargle with pepper spray, and you’ll end up in the Kimchee if you baton them.

    I always felt kind of bad about chasing them out of the dumpsters when they were hunting for food, but lawyers and lawsuits wouldn’t allow it.

    I don’t want to think about the analogies that can be drawn from them.

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  113. Re: jarhead

    You betcha!

    I am addressing THE issue: you and your little coterie of "comrades".

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  114. desert rat said...
    ISRAEL:
    State Sponsor of Iranian terror?


    desert rat, EB's crackhead?

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  115. No, amigo, you avoid the issue, like the plague.

    You try to move the goal posts, from national interests of the parties involved, US, Arabfats and Zionists, to personal name calling.

    While your partner in support of Zionist war crimes is fixated upon the perverse sexual proclivities of his ancestral cousins, who object to the disposition of their rightful inheritance.

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  116. Continuation of DR Devolutions anti-XXXXXXX posts since 09:00 EST:

    I do not have access to "State secrets", allen.

    Just the whirled wide web.

    The known truths are enough to indict. Especially given the criminal record of the suspect.
    Thu Dec 17, 10:30:00 AM EST

    If you did not suppose a connection 'tween Isreali UAV technology sales and Iranian use of UAV technologies, why demand more evidence?

    I had made no claim to a connection, only that rufus had predicted that such a series of events would come to pass.
    That was based upon the publicly known sale of UAV tech to the Russians, by the Zionists in the Levant.

    His predictions came true.
    Thu Dec 17, 10:35:00 AM EST

    ISRAEL:
    State Sponsor of Iranian terror?
    Thu Dec 17, 10:37:00 AM EST

    That makes ten defamatory posts on the subject of XXXXXXX and XXXXXXX since 09:00 EST (1 hr, 48 min); and still not a grunt from the wearied warriors of decorum.

    Come on guys, you bud is working his rear off; pitch in. Hey, if you whine loud and long, I might get another demerit. For that the penalty would be no use of vowels for my next two posts. Kewl!

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  117. Joos are Fucktards!
    You suck, Allen!

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  118. ...waits for no vowel performance.

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  119. Doug said...
    Joos are Fucktards!
    You suck, Allen!



    Is that each and every Joo or selected Joos?

    Inquiring Minds Want to Know....

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  120. Yes, I defame violators of the Geneva Accords, war criminals.

    They have no moral standing.

    Same with those that do not abide by the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Signatory or not.

    The US should not maintain a variable standard, with regards to nuclear proliferation.

    The capability outlives the political regimes that construct them. More often than not.

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  122. I choose Joos very carefully.

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  123. I mean, they were chosen.
    So I select amongst the sloppy seconds.

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  124. desert rat said...
    Yes, I defame violators of the Geneva Accords, war criminals.
    They have no moral standing.
    Same with those that do not abide by the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Signatory or not.
    The US should not maintain a variable standard, with regards to nuclear proliferation.
    The capability outlives the political regimes that construct them. More often than not.




    Wow, Those med's of the rodent must have worn off... He's actually increasing his rants....

    Newsflash... Israel lives!

    Congrats to Israel for making another day!

    And another wonderful day without a Palestinian State....

    And another day when the rodent will vent his/her/it's pov in the freedom of living in America that allows even the deranged to speak......

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  125. Monica a bit heavy, for my taste.

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  126. Costco Protects Palin From Tomatoes By Taking Them Off Shelves

    When they can't win the debate, they firts throw garbage. Facists never change.

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  127. Blizzard Dumps Snow on Copenhagen as Leaders Battle Warming

    By Christian Wienberg

    Dec. 17 (Bloomberg) -- World leaders flying into Copenhagen today to discuss a solution to global warming will first face freezing weather as a blizzard dumped 10 centimeters (4 inches) of snow on the Danish capital overnight.

    “Temperatures will stay low at least the next three days,” Henning Gisseloe, an official at Denmark’s Meteorological Institute, said today by telephone, forecasting more snow in coming days. “There’s a good chance of a white Christmas.”

    Delegates from 193 countries have been in Copenhagen since Dec. 7 to discuss how to fund global greenhouse gas emission cuts. U.S. President Barack Obama will arrive before the summit is scheduled to end tomorrow.

    Denmark has a maritime climate and milder winters than its Scandinavian neighbors. It hasn’t had a white Christmas for 14 years, under the DMI’s definition, and only had seven last century. Temperatures today fell as low as minus 4 Celsius (25 Fahrenheit).

    DMI defines a white Christmas as 90 percent of the country being covered by at least 2 centimeters of snow on the afternoon of Dec. 24.

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  128. "they firts throw garbage. "

    That does not qualify as a vowellless post, Allen.

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  129. Newflash: Jesus was a Joo

    According to the New Testament and the Christian church, Jesus is divine, the son of God, the Messiah. In sharp contrast, Jews believe Jesus was a man - period.

    Jesus - The Man

    Jews believe that Jesus was a Jew who was born in Bethlehem, raised in Galilee, and killed in Jerusalem. Like other Jews in his day, Jesus spoke and wrote the Aramaic language. His own Aramaic name was Yeshua.

    Like other educated Jews in his day, he was faithful to the law of Moses, learned in Jewish scriptures and oral law, steeped in the spirit of the Pharisees (the leading religious teachers of his day), and expectant of the coming of the Messianic Era (which he called the "Kingdom of God"). In his day, many people called Jesus "rabbi."

    Like other religious, nationalistic Jews before and after him, Jesus angered the Roman government. The Romans considered the ideas preached by Jesus to be dangerous. As a result, the Romans arrested Jesus during his Passover trip to Jerusalem. Then the Romans, upon the order of the Roman procurator, executed Jesus.



    Sounds like a typical Israeli....

    Who KNEW the Romans and Palestinians are the same in spirit?

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  131. Great news about "skygrabber"

    it seems that the drones and missiles emit "line of sight" video...

    SO imagine your a bad guy sitting in your remote village watching the feed....

    A the line of sight comes into focus and the bad guy says, hey I recognize that shopping mall just south of me... OK he wont say that cause there are no shopping malls in that part of Afghanistan, so he says "hey, i recognize that mud village from the air" the next thing he says " hey that missile is coming right up main street" "hey that's my street!"
    "oh shit"

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  132. doug,

    Thanks!

    doug, I haven't been sent to the penalty box yet...Jeesh, stop reading DR Devo...first the trial, then, you hang the uppity XXX.

    "And 'Fucktard' begat Retard, who moved to Nevada and took up growing tomatoes on stolen land, given him by the wicked Founders under cover of their XXXXXXX inspired Constitution of the All Seeing Eye."

    The Elders were pleased, saying, "Verily, verily, their women will be ours when the Mothership returns from SpyQuark with precious bodily fluids."

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  133. doug,

    Sorry, doug, the quotes come from the hidden Book of Unoch, first uncovered in the Nevada desert by an illegal alien, a grower of tomatoes. It's part of The Bible, you know...the voices said so...

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  134. If you can get enough people to believe in the divinity of that book, then yep, you've got another bible in the whirled.

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  135. allen said...
    doug,

    Sorry, doug, the quotes come from the hidden Book of Unoch, first uncovered in the Nevada desert by an illegal alien, a grower of tomatoes. It's part of The Bible, you know...the voices said so...


    Actually Allen if you are going to tell our secret you should tell them about the 6th book of torah, the Book of Schmaltz

    I (actually true) used to quote from the 6th book of Moishe when countering insane missionaries back in my anti-missionary days...

    It's amazing the ignorance of the gentile about the Book of Schmaltz, they have no knowledge of it and it drives them insane to learn of it's traditions, uses and specialness shall we say...

    My personal favorite? found in the BOS (book of schmaltz) BOS 4:14 You shall know him for what he reeks of, shall it be swine? Nay, shall it shall be the blessed mixture of his being so just with the hint of the power of the schmaltz!

    Mel Brooks once quoted "may the force be with you" he told insiders he was studied in the black arts of BOS and always heard his zada say "May the Schmaltz be with you" and you wonder why his movies are so successful?

    BOS is really not for the unprotected mind.. Akiva said, he needs to be 40, strong of the physical world, and learned in the sciences, witnessed birth and death, lived within the ritual cycles of Halacha and understood the RAMBAM and the RAMBAN before studying it.

    Akiva always said that Rashi had his opinions on BOS reversed that that Rashi should have listened to the Toafists for better insight...


    (enjoy allen)

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  136. Yemen Raids al-Quida Hideouts, Kills 34


    "Yemeni security forces struck several al-Qaida hide-outs and training sites Thursday, killing at least 34 suspected militants, including four would-be suicide bombers who planned attacks at home and abroad, officials said. At least 17 suspected militants were arrested."


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  137. WiO,

    My favorite is The Third Book of Schmuck. For some it can be tedious: It's schmuck this and schmuck that.

    I just never could get my head around The Book of Putz. Of course, it's meaning has been sealed until the last days, when its secrets will be revealed in Nevada to the true Putz.

    It is written, "...and He (the Big Putz) will trouble many by His words...His words...His words... over tiny glass filaments."

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  138. From the Yemen link by Quirk,

    "Airstrikes destroyed several civilian homes and troops stormed others, mistaking them for al-Qaida hide-outs, they said. The bodies of seven women and children were recovered from the rubble, said one witness, Mohammed Saleh al-Kathimi."

    I am sure that as this is written the UN has its crack War Crimes Investigative Unit on its way to Yemen. I smell incoming UK magistrate's warrants.

    ...wonder if those four suicide-murderers were foreign nationals...perhaps Palestinians, as has been the case elsewhere...

    Nah

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  144. WiO: Like other religious, nationalistic Jews before and after him, Jesus angered the Roman government. The Romans considered the ideas preached by Jesus to be dangerous. As a result, the Romans arrested Jesus during his Passover trip to Jerusalem. Then the Romans, upon the order of the Roman procurator, executed Jesus.

    Correction, Jesus was fingered by his own boy Judas, arrested by Jews in the Garden of Gethsemane, and brought before Caiaphas the High Priest, jailed briefly in Caiaphas' palace, brought before the entire (Jewish) Sanhedrin who decided to ask the Romans to kill Jesus. He went before Pilate, who found no guilt in the man, and his own wife told Pilate to have nothing to do with him. Pilate remanded him to Herod who had jurisdiction over Galilee, but Jesus pled the fifth, so he was kicked back to Pilate, who tried repeatedly to release him, to the protests of the Jewish leaders who arrested him. So Pilate had Jesus flogged Roman style, but this still wasn't enough, the Jewish Sandhedrin would not be happy until Pilate gave the order to crucify him.

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  145. Arizona was once part of Nuevo Mexico, doug. Even while in was under the jurisdiction of the United States.

    It was not partitioned from Nuevo Mexico de Santa Fe until the Civil War.

    After the expansion of the New Mexico Territory in 1853 by the Gadsden Purchase, proposals for a division of the territory and the organization of a separate Territory of Arizona in the southern half of the territory were advanced as early as 1856. The first proposals for the Arizona Territory divided the territory along a line of latitude rather than the later division along a line of longitude that would divide Arizona from New Mexico

    The proposals arose from concerns about the effectiveness of the territorial government in Santa Fe to administer the newly acquired southern portions of the territory.

    The first proposal dates from a conference held in Tucson that convened on August 29, 1856. The conference issued a petition to the U.S. Congress, signed by 256 people, requesting organization of the territory and elected Nathan P. Cooke as the territorial delegate to Congress.

    In January 1857, the bill for the organization of the territory was introduced into the United States House of Representatives, but the proposal was defeated on the grounds that the population of the proposed territory was yet too small. Later a similar proposal was defeated in the Senate.

    The proposal for creation of the territory was controversial in part because of the perception that the New Mexico Territory was under the influence of southern sympathizers who were highly desirous of expanding slavery into the southwest.

    In February 1858, the New Mexico territorial legislative adopted a resolution in favor of the creation of the Arizona territory, but with a north-south border along the 32nd meridian west from Washington, with the additional stipulation that all the Indians of New Mexico would be removed to northern Arizona.

    In April 1860, impatient for Congress to act, a convention of 31 delegates met in Tucson and adopted a constitution for a provisional territorial government of the area south of the 34th parallel north. The delegates elected Lewis Owings as provisional governor.

    At the outbreak of the Civil War, sentiment in the area south of the 34th parallel was in favor of the Confederacy. Territorial secession conventions were called at La Mesilla and Tucson in March 16, 1861, that adopted an Ordinance of Secession that declared itself independent of the United States and established the provisional Confederate Territory of Arizona with Owings as its governor, and petitioned the Confederate Congress for admission.

    The Confederate Territory of Arizona became officially recognized when President Jefferson Davis signed the proclamation on February 14, 1862. To commemorate this event, February 14, 1912, the fiftieth anniversary, was selected as official date of statehood for Arizona.

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  146. Vietnamese Monks Pressured to Seek French Asylum

    ”…The government accuses Nhat Hanh's followers of sowing discord and defying central authorities by worshipping without official approval. The monastics say they followed all necessary procedures and only want to meditate and practice together.

    Vietnam-born Nhat Hanh, who has been in exile since the 1960s, lives at the Plum Village monastery in southern France, where thousands of people from around the world visit each year to practice his progressive brand of "engaged Buddhism," which stresses nonviolence and good works…”



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  147. "No one is talking about removing universal jurisdiction, but it's an anomaly that a magistrates court can issue an arrest warrant before a prosecutor has even said there is a case to prosecute. There need to be safeguards."

    My, my, that does put a whole new look on things, doesn't it, DR Devolution? Looks like those "UK Federal Socialists" are concerned about little matters such as due process.

    "If there was an arrest warrant against Livni, it's because there was a case to answer according to a judge who found that there was reasonable suspicion."

    Goodness me, that is judicial activism if ever there were. But it looks like rational minds are going to prevail and eradicate the anomaly.

    ...to bad, so sad...Yep, first a case, then a trial, then the execution. What is the world coming to when you can't just lynch a XXX?

    UK plans change in arrest procedures following Livni row

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  148. US Pledges to Help Raise Money for Climate Change Mitigation

    "U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton sought to put new life into flagging U.N. climate talks Thursday, announcing the U.S. would join others in raising $100 billion a year by 2020 to help poorer nations cope with global warming...

    The $100 billion, a number first suggested by British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, falls short of what experts say would be needed. The World Bank and others estimate the long-term climate costs for poorer nations, from 2020 or so, would likely total hundreds of billions of dollars a year. China and other developing countries say the target should be in the range of $350 billion...

    De Boer commented afterward, "I'm keenly looking forward to hearing what the U.S. contribution to that fund will be."



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  149. The maps are interesting, if your interested in the historical political development of North America.

    Remembering that it was concurrent with:

    When members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormon pioneers) settled in the Salt Lake Valley near the Great Salt Lake, they wished to set up a government that would be recognized by the United States.

    Initially Brigham Young, President of the Church, intended to apply for status as a territory, and sent John Milton Bernhisel eastward to Washington, D.C. with the petition for territorial status. Realizing that California and New Mexico were applying for admission as states, Young changed his mind and decided to petition for statehood.

    In March 1849, realizing that they did not have time to follow the usual steps towards statehood, Young and a group of church elders quickly drafted a state constitution based on that of Iowa, where the Mormons had temporarily settled, and sent the legislative records and constitution back to that state for printing, since no printing press existed in the Great Basin at the time. They then sent a second messenger with a copy of the state's formal records and constitution to meet up with Bernhisel in Washington, D.C. and petition for statehood rather than territorial status.

    Territory of Deseret

    The provisional state was a bold proposal, encompassing most of the territory that had been acquired from Mexico the previous year as the Mexican Cession.

    It comprised roughly all the lands between the Sierra Nevada and the Rockies, and between the border with Mexico northward to include parts of the Oregon Territory, as well as the coast of California south of the Santa Monica Mountains (including the existing settlements of Los Angeles and San Diego). It included the entire watershed of the Colorado River (excluding the lands south of the border with Mexico), as well as the entire area of the Great Basin.

    The proposal encompassed nearly all of present-day Utah and Nevada, large portions of California and Arizona, and parts of Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming, Idaho, and Oregon.


    Brigham Young got about half of what he asked for, then later went to war with the Federals.

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  150. A Christmas Story

    ”A billboard at a New Zealand church depicting a downcast Joseph lying beside Mary in bed and the heading "God is a hard act to follow" provoked more than the intended reconsideration of the meaning of Christmas.”


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  151. Interesting discussion, but I got to go shampoo a carpet.

    Just watch out for Dirty Dinky, who accused the Jews of stealing Jerusalem.

    Why, Dinky has the whole southwest, stolen, to roam in.

    Dinky can turn a pillow to frozen stone.

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  152. Pretty fucking funny.

    From Sadly, No! (don't go there unless you want to get your schadenfreude on):




    Posted at 7:11 by D. Aristophanes

    With health care reform in crisis, you can bet Rahm Emanuel is out there putting pressure on senators to get the current shitpile passed. Let’s listen in on a call …

    [phone rings]

    Senator: Hello?

    Emanuel: Fuck you.

    Senator: Oh, hi Rahm.

    Emanuel: Can we fucking count on you to be a stand-up motherfucker, and get this fucking health care cocksucker fucked right in the fucking fuckhole next week?

    Senator: Rahm, it’s tough now. It’s such a different bill than what we started with …

    Emanuel: FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK …

    Senator: Listen, I haven’t made a final decision yet …

    Emanuel: FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK …

    Senator: You know, Howard Dean made quite a stir with his appearance on Olbermann tonight …

    Emanuel: FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK …

    Senator: Jeez, I know, I know … look, tell your boss I’m going to go along!

    Emanuel: Cocksucker! Fucking motherfucker.

    Senator: Well, thank you, Rahm, they’re all fine. And you give my best to Amy and the kids as well.

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  153. Connoisseur of liberal websites that I am, the gloom is palpable.

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  154. T, thanks that means a lot to me. Not too many people see through my soul.

    AND WHAT PIN UP ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, DOUG?

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  155. And the (un)civil war between liberals and progressives that was narrowly averted back during the campaign season is about to commence.

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  156. "I don't care what the newspapers say about me as long as they spell my name right."

    © 2000 Michael Turney

    The quotation above which is widely cited in public relations and advertising books reflects the now out-dated but once-popular notion that there's no such thing as bad publicity. Although it's been widely quoted, there is little agreement on who actually said it. It has been attributed to many different celebrities and situations.

    While researching the history of public relations in 1994, I found it attributed to:

    * Mae West in one book, two articles, a videotape, and several newspaper articles;

    * P.T. Barnum in two books and a motion picture biography;

    * George M. Cohan in two books;

    * Will Rogers in one article and an electronic encyclopedia;

    * W.C. Fields in one article.


    I then went on-line and queried several hundred public relations professionals and teachers who subscribe to the PRForum listserv. The fifty-some postings that responded to my question repeated all of the possibilities listed above and added:

    * Mark Twain;

    * Oscar Wilde.


    At this point, I really don't know whom to credit as the first person to make this statement, but it is a perfect summation of the mentality underlying the publicity phase of public relations.

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  157. We don't know who was there before Them; but we have evidence of the Canaanites in the Levant as early as 6,300 BC.

    Much of the modern knowledge about the Canaanites stems from excavation in this area. Canaanite culture apparently developed in situ from the Circum-Arabian Nomadic Pastoral Complex, which in turn developed from a fusion of Harifian hunter gatherers with Pre-Pottery Neolithic B (PPNB) farming cultures, practicing animal domestication, during the 6,200 BC climatic crisis.[

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  158. Be careful, rufus, you are going to disprove the common myth, with science.

    The common myth the UN bought into.

    Even though the science disproves the UN's political position, with regards the myth.

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  159. Hmm...not a word about all those unnecessary XXXXXXXX posts by DR from his gang of two and the Ref.

    What happened to poor Ms. T's Mississippi hero, decrying just yesterday about how we XXXXX were dissing her great thread?

    Why, just this morning, over the course of 1hr, 48 min, DR managed to screw up this thread no less than 10 (TEN) times with his standard XXXXXX rant...but not a peep...not a whimper...not an admonishment from yesterday's heroes.

    We do have a Wiki on Canaan, however...from the Stone Age, no less...Wow...We certainly are a selective bunch...cowardly, but selectively so...bigotry does that...

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  160. Canaan seems to be an area of popular discussion (amongst some,) so I thought I would contribute a link.

    Of course, I know Wikipedia is a "Nazist" site, but that's the best I could do at short notice.

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  161. From The Washington Independent:

    The John Birch Society to Co-Sponsor CPAC
    By David Weigel 12/16/09 1:31 PM

    The 51-year-old ultra-conservative group, once ostracized by the right, is co-sponsoring the 2010 Conservative Political Action Conference.

    JBS will have a double booth with half dedicated to offering educational and promotional materials and the other half housing a TV studio that will stream live video from the booth and broadcast onto JBS LibertyNewsNetwork.tv, a website that will feature archived JBS video and live video streams.

    This doesn’t really surprise me–JBS has been re-branding in recent years, and gained a substantial boost from the surprisingly high-profile presidential bid of Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), a long-time supporter.







    As someone noted, poor old WFB really IS dead.

    The fucking John Birch Society?

    What the...

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  162. I was a little surprised to find that a group of the Philistines were called Paelestini, though.

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  163. Oh, Goody. We're going to borrow $100 Billion, and give it to "developing countries."

    $100 Billion

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  164. Climategate may be just the tip of the global-warming iceberg according to the Washington, D.C.-based Competitive Enterprise Institute, which says the next weather-science scandal may erupt right here in the United States.

    For nearly three years CEI, a free-market, public-interest organization, has pursued a series of Freedom of Information Act Requests intended to force NASA's climate-science division to hand over e-mails it says could reflect the same sort of pro-warming bias seen in the recent e-mails from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of East Anglia University.

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    And, uh, I spent my whole lunch break cutting and pasting ANOTHER article for the EB so the party can keep going.

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  165. rufus wrote:

    "Of course, I know Wikipedia is a "Nazist" site..."

    VA has medication for that sort of thing, dear boy.

    O, you are still a coward, blowhard and bigot.

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  166. I found it. And why does it always have to be about fat people?

    My chaps wouldn't fit around one of her thighs.

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  167. The Death Penalty in Jewish Tradition

    Though the Torah prescribed capital punishment for certain crimes, the rabbis moderated its use.
    By Rabbi Louis Jacobs

    Reprinted with permission from The Jewish Religion: A Companion, published by Oxford University Press.

    The Bible prescribes the death penalty for a large number of offences including religious offences such as idol worship and the profaning of the Sabbath. But the question of capital punishment in actual practice in ancient Jewish society is extremely complicated.

    Talmudic Restrictions
    According to the Mishnah (Sanhedrin 1:4) the death penalty could only be inflicted, after trial, by a Sanhedrin composed of twenty-three judges and there were four types of death penalty (Sanhedrin 7:1): stoning, burning, slaying (by the sword), and strangling. A bare reading of these and the other accounts in the tractate would seem to suggest a vast proliferation of the death penalty. Yet, throughout the Talmudic literature, this whole subject is viewed with unease, so much so that according to the rules stated in that literature the death penalty could hardly ever have been imposed.

    For instance, it is ruled that two witnesses are required to testify not only that they witnessed the act for which the criminal has been charged but that they had warned him beforehand that if he carried out the act he would be executed, and he had to accept the warning, stating his willingness to commit the act despite his awareness of its consequences. The criminal's own confession is not accepted as evidence. Moreover, circumstantial evidence is not admitted.

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  168. From Practice to Theory
    It has to be appreciated, however, that practically all this material comes from a time when the right to impose the death penalty had been taken away from the Jewish courts by the Roman authorities. According to one report in the Talmud (Sanhedrin 41a) the power of the Jewish courts to the death penalty ceased around the year 30 BCE; according to another report (Sanhedrin 52b) it could only have been imposed while the Temple stood and must have come to an end not later than 70 CE when the Temple was destroyed.

    This means that, although earlier traditions may be present in the Mishnaic formulations, the whole topic, including the restrictions, is treated in the Mishnah and the Talmud in a purely theoretical way. It is hard to believe that when the courts did impose the death penalty they could only do so when the conditions above obtained. Who would commit a murder in the presence of two witnesses when these had solemnly warned him that if he persisted they would testify against him to have him executed for his crime?

    That the Mishnaic material is purely on the theoretical level can be seen from the oft-quoted statement (Mishnah Makkot 1:10): "A Sanhedrin that puts a man to death once in seven years is called destructive. Rabbi Eliezer ben Azariah says: even once in seventy years. Rabbi Akiba and Rabbi Tarfon say: had we been in the Sanhedrin none would ever have been put to death. Rabban Simeon ben Gamaliel says: they would have multiplied shedders of blood in Israel."

    This Mishnah is a kind of reflection on the whole law of capital punishment. Faced with the clear biblical injunctions, the Rabbis mentioned could not simply have said that capital punishment was wrong. After all, the Bible states that it is right and has to be imposed on the guilty. But the statement seems to imply that the Rabbis welcomed the development by which the Sanhedrin no longer functioned with the power to impose the death penalty and Rabbi Akiba and Rabbi Tarfon speculate that even when the Sanhedrin did possess this power, various legal means could have been adopted to negate the imposition of the penalty.

    It is not so much as Jewish apologists maintain, that the Rabbis consciously attempted to reform the law, but rather that when the power to inflict the death penalty fell into abeyance in any event this development was interpreted as being fully in accord with the Torah's regard for all human life, including the life of the criminal; so in a sense it was felt to the good that the death penalty could no longer actually be imposed but was simply left in the books for theoretical discussion. Once the matter was discussed on a purely theoretical basis the gruesome details could be described in all their starkness while, at the same time, restrictions could be piled on in order to make the death penalty virtually impossible. In practice it became illegal for a Jewish court to impose the death penalty.

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  169. Melody: My chaps wouldn't fit around one of her thighs

    Well now you got me thinking about your thighs. Cold shower time tonight.

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