Rufus Said:
We could put a 25 million gallon/yr ethanol refinery in all 3,000 Counties for about the same money we gave AIG. We could have it done in 5 years.
If so ordered, the automakers could make every new car, and light truck Flexfuel Next Year.
We would, for all intents, and purposes, be OUT of the Oil "Importing" Business.
December 06, 2009 6:40 PM
rufus said...
It would be a One-Time Cost to us of just about what we're spending in the Middle-East Every Year.
December 06, 2009 6:44 PM
rufus said...
It would knock about $15,000,000,000.00/Mo off our Current Accounts Deficit, and turn our Dollar into Solid Currency, again.
December 06, 2009 6:49 PM
The beauty of ethanol is that every locality has a feedstock. We can save a lot of money on transportation costs by keeping it local.
December 06, 2009 6:59 PM
rufus said...
I'm sitting here watching the "local" channel. A local National Guard Battalian is getting ready to deploy to Iraq.
We have about 120,000 Great Guys in Iraq. THAT is just about how many people would be employed by my LOCAL ethanol Refineries.
I don't know about you all, but I'd one hell of a lot rather have them over here making fuel for my car than "Over There" guarding "Theirs."
December 06, 2009 7:05 PM
Mon Dec 07, 12:20:00 AM EST
Yeah, but we're bringing Freedom and Democracy to Afghanistan!
ReplyDelete...not too mention enabling a stunningly profitable ramp up in cultivation of a cash crop.
Diplomacy That Will Live in Infamy
ReplyDeleteIn a secret presidential cable to Tokyo, in July 1905, Roosevelt approved the Japanese annexation of Korea and agreed to an “understanding or alliance” among Japan, the United States and Britain “as if the United States were under treaty obligations.” The “as if” was key: Congress was much less interested in North Asia than Roosevelt was, so he came to his agreement with Japan in secret, an unconstitutional act.
To signal his commitment to Tokyo, Roosevelt cut off relations with Korea, turned the American legation in Seoul over to the Japanese military and deleted the word “Korea” from the State Department’s Record of Foreign Relations and placed it under the heading of “Japan.”
Roosevelt had assumed that the Japanese would stop at Korea and leave the rest of North Asia to the Americans and the British. But such a wish clashed with his notion that the Japanese should base their foreign policy on the American model of expansion across North America and, with the taking of Hawaii and the Philippines, into the Pacific.
It did not take long for the Japanese to tire of the territorial restrictions placed upon them by their Anglo-American partners.
Grim, Determined, Obsessed with Death:
ReplyDeleteStudent Says He Warned School Before Stabbing
On Sunday, Mr. Zahrani’s roommates — who had lived with him for about three weeks in a three-bedroom apartment in downtown Binghamton — recounted how the suspect, who spoke of financial problems, often mentioned death and said he was being persecuted because he was Muslim.
“I said he was acting oddly, like a terrorist,” said one of the roommates, Souleymane Sakho, a graduate student from Senegal. “When I informed them, it was for them to understand that the guy was violent or he may be violent.”
Mr. Sakho said that he told his academic adviser who is overseeing his dissertation about Mr. Zahrani, and that the adviser referred him to the school’s counseling center. Mr. Sakho said that the head of the counseling center told him to avoid interaction with Mr. Zahrani and said he should look to move out of the apartment.
About 10 days ago, the police were called to the three-bedroom apartment, according to Mr. Sakho. He said he was sick of Mr. Zahrani’s constantly asking him if he was afraid of death and told him to stop.
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Mr. Sakho said the last time he saw Mr. Zahrani was around 1 a.m. on Friday, when Mr. Zahrani woke him up and once again asked him if he was afraid of dying. Mr. Sakho said he did not respond to Mr. Zahrani and went back to sleep.
We created the Department of Energy, what, in '78 or '79? to wean ourselves from foreign energy. How's that weaning going? Wean, wean, wean. We must have twenty thousand people there in the Dept. of Energy, aweaning away, every day, night and day, weaning us to energy independence. How's that weaning going?
ReplyDeleteI'd rather just leave it up to Rufus.
Things are getting serious in Iran--
ReplyDelete15. In more serious news, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced today that he has concrete evidence that the US was trying to prevent the Hidden Imam from descending on earth. (The Hidden Imam is the 12th and final Imam of Shi’ites who is said to return to earth during the final days and usher in the apocalypse)
Here
Iran Live Blog, News
ReplyDeleteUnrest.
Warning: A Very Clever Scam Targeting Older Men
ReplyDeleteA 'heads up' for those men who may be regular Lowe's, Home Depot, or Costco customers.
This one caught me by surprise.
Over the last month I became a victim of a clever scam while out shopping.
Simply going out to get supplies has turned out to be quite traumatic. Don't be naive enough to think it couldn't happen to you or your friends.
Here's how the scam works:
Two seriously good-looking 20-something girls come over to your car as you are packing your shopping into the trunk. They both start wiping your windshield with a rag and Windex, with very suggestive, skimpy T-shirts. It is impossible not to look. When you thank them and offer them a tip, they say 'No' and instead ask you for a ride to McDonalds.
You agree and they get into the back seat. On the way, they start playfully undressing. Then one of them climbs over into the front seat and starts crawling all over you, while the other one steals your wallet.
I had my wallet stolen October 4th, 9th, 10th, twice on the 15th, 17th, 20th and 29th.
Also November 1st and 2nd, twice on the 3rd, three times last Monday and very likely again this upcoming weekend.
Please Warn your friends to be vigilant.
Wal-Mart has wallets on sale for $2.99 each. I found cheaper ones for $1.99 at K- Mart and bought them out.
Also, you never will get to eat at McDonalds.
I'm looking into bulk orders at CostCo and will let you know what I find.
It is a shame that the US is so far behind Brazil, when it comes to energy independence.
ReplyDeleteThose folks are kickin' our ass, in that regard.
Roosevelt and the "Great White Fleet", slicin' and dicin' up spheres of influences across Asia.
Another President that did not care for the restrictions, checks or balances on un-Constitutional power usurpation.
Just leave energy distribution to the UN, they do such a good job of socially engineering equitable power sharing solutions.
Footloose
ReplyDeleteWe could put a 25 million gallon/yr ethanol refinery in all 3,000 Counties for about the same money we gave AIG. We could have it done in 5 years.
ReplyDeleteProblem number one: We didn't give money to AIG, we recapitalized them with a loan.
Problem number two: Most counties have about 800 people in them, tops. Don't believe me? Drive across Kansas or Wyoming. What you really want to do is put six refineries in each congressional district.
Bobal: resident Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced today that he has concrete evidence that the US was trying to prevent the Hidden Imam from descending on earth.
ReplyDeleteYeah, the Hidden Imam is now hiding in the same US Government warehouse that has the Ark of the Covenant, a pillar of salt in the shape of a woman, a reel-to-reel deck with the missing eighteen and one-half minutes of President Nixon's tape recordings, the ‘magic gun’ that fired the ‘magic bullet’ that killed JFK, the sets, costumes, and scripts that were used to film the Apollo Moon landings from 1969 to 1972, proof that Rufus is right and we're at peak oil, and a telegram from Vice -President Andrew Johnson to John Wilkes Booth that says, “GREAT OPPORTUNITY AT FORDS THEATER TONIGHT STOP A DEFINITE DO NOT MISS STOP."
In the Reagan days, the WH Secretary solved the problem of who would dance with Lady Di by having the Marine Band Play Saturday Night Fever and Nancy had Travolta Dance with Di.
ReplyDeleteNow, we have Desiree Whoever, who is concerned first and foremost with Desiree, just as BHO is always concerned with the fame and fortune of...
BHO
PBUH
"Problem number two: Most counties have about 800 people in them, tops."
ReplyDelete---
That's where the patented
"Citizen Rufus Still ®"
Comes into play.
If you're thinkin' you're too cool to boogie
ReplyDeleteBoy oh boy have I got news for you
Everybody here tonight must boogie
Let me tell ya' you are no exception to the rule
Get on up on the floor
Cuz we're gonna boogie oogie oogie
Till you just can't boogie no more (boogie)
Boogie no more
You can't boogie no more (boogie)
Boogie no more, listen to the music
There's no time to waste, let's get this show on the road
Listen to the music and let your body flow
The sooner we begin the longer we've got to groove
Listen to the music and let your body move
Now get on up on the floor
Cuz we're gonna boogie oogie oogie
Till you just can't boogie no more (boogie)
Boogie no more
You can't boogie no more (boogie)
Boogie no more, listen to my bass here
Get down, boogie oogie oogie
Get down, boogie oogie oogie
Get down, boogie oogie oogie
Get down
Boogie Fever ...
ReplyDeleteSo much more fun than Swine Flu.
小林 said...
ReplyDeleteDittos!
You Make My Dreams Come True
ReplyDeleteT is bein playful, again; but the "average" county has about 100,000 folks, and uses about 45,000,000 gallons of gasoline. It looks like we're well on the way to making that 40 million gallons.
ReplyDelete...jeeze,
ReplyDeleteEven Maui County is about 130k, I think.
...still need an excuse for that still.
130,000 people = about 130,000 Tons of Municipal Solid Waste = about 13 Million Gallons of Ethanol.
ReplyDeleteYep, still need the still. :)
Or, plant an area 5mi X 7mi in energy crops (switch grass, miscanthus, poplar, etc.)
Maui County is about 2,400 sq miles, so we'd have to take about 1.5% of the total area.
ReplyDeleteCould probably spare it, eh?
Tiger's Lies--The Lineup
ReplyDeleteSandy traps, into the bush, into the brush and etc etc etc....
ReplyDeleteFinally,
ReplyDeleteA golfer that spends more time "in the bush" than I used to.
Yuk, Yuk :)
hmmm, nothing like a good ole top down government mandated solution to all our energy needs (why not just stick 1 buck a gallon tax on gas and see what happens?)...
ReplyDelete...besides, can you pour pure ethanol into the ole gas tank and drive away?
Rufus: T is bein playful, again; but the "average" county has about 100,000 folks
ReplyDeleteStatistics are tricky. Get one county with two million folks, and the rest with a thousand, and your "average" county indeed has 100K, but good luck finding them.
Rufus: To ethanol "deniers",
ReplyDelete"Let them eat switchgrass!"
I think Tiger's wife ought to just take the $300 million and run. That would be my advice to her.
ReplyDeleteGoodmorning Professor Ash!
ReplyDeleteAsh, yes, my car will run just fine on 100% ethanol.
ReplyDelete(it would be hard to start in winter, but that can be solved by wrapping a little heat-tape around the fuel line)
However, the idea is to mix the ethanol with our domestically-produced gasoline in an approx E60 mixture.
"Pope Benedict XVI has told world leaders attending the climate summit in Copenhagen that caring for God's creation requires they adopt sober and responsible lifestyles."
ReplyDeleteHuh?
I guess we can expect a new hybrid popemobile.
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"Yeah, but we're bringing Freedom and Democracy to Afghanistan!"
ReplyDeleteClearly, what we need is to reduce or eliminate our dependence on foreign heroin.
Incidentally, did you know there's a Subway (as in the restaurant chain) now in Afghanistan? I discovered this quite accidentally the other day while looking up the phone number of my nearest Subway.
If we can put a Subway in Afghanistan why CAN'T we set aside the state of Montana for domestic poppy production?
Did I really say, bob, that the odds of military action taken against Iran go up, not down, with an Obama administration?
Sounds about right.
T, the City of Seattle (whatever county that is) would probably not produce enough ethanol for its people. However, look at all the forestry waste in the "Surrounding" Counties.
ReplyDeleteI'm just trying to make the point that we have a big ol' country with a Lot of biological resources. Sometimes it's easier to visualize them if you break it down into areas, and numbers that you can "get a handle on."
1200 Limos, 140 Private Planes, Caviar Wedges
ReplyDeleteDon't count on climategate slowing these guys down. They are living
la vida buena.
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Responsible is one thing, sober another. What's the Pope thinking?
ReplyDeleteOne thing gives a little comfort in all this--Professor Ash will have to cut back on his lifestyle choices. No more of this flying around to golf courses all over the country, foreign countries too, eh, Ash. You do get some carbon credits for using sail rather than motorboating, however.
As for myself, I'm not going to feel bound by the Copenhagen Accords, having read the e-mails, and seeing the whole thing is a fraud of historical proportions, maybe the biggest.
Maybe we'll just substitute Camelina for Poppies in Montana, Trish. The Yield is about the same.
ReplyDeleteLook, we used to "rowcrop" about 400 million acres. Today, we rowcrop about 240 million acres. The land is still there. It's just as productive as it ever was. We just don't need it.
ReplyDeleteAn Example: Corn yields have gone from 80 bu/acre in 1980 to 160 bu acre, today.
Lumber mills are going out of business by the hundreds every year. We just don't need as much newsprint, paper, cardboard packaging, etc.
We have Tremendous resources that we're not using. We're sending our young men, and women, overseas to guard the resources of those who want to kill us; and, destroying our economy at the same time.
All because the Saudi-owned, and Exxon-supported Wall St. Journal, and NYT tell us it's the thing to do.
We're Morons.
This story has been repeated hundreds of times, already, in the U.S., but Here is a Recent Story of what an Ethanol Plant has meant to a Community in Canada.
ReplyDeleteDid I really say, bob, that the odds of military action taken against Iran go up, not down, with an Obama administration?
ReplyDeleteSounds about right.
Yes you did, Trish, I recall it clearly, though I think you used the generic 'war'.
I thought you were right at the time, and still do.
And the hell of it is, bob, that we reallyreallyreallyreally don't want to.
ReplyDelete"The land is still there. It's just as productive as it ever was. We just don't need it."
ReplyDeleteThe 25% of the world population that is living in extreme poverty and goes to bed hungry each night will be glad to hear that.
trish said...
ReplyDeleteAnd the hell of it is, bob, that we reallyreallyreallyreally don't want to.
war is already here...
battles come and go...
a big battle is brewing...
right now in yemen jordan's forces and arabia's are fight iranian backed fighters///
hamas has upgraded it's weapons...
hezbollah is now 400% rearmed and now part of the official government of Lebanon
no one is even talking about north korea...
iran is now telling the world it's opening up 20 enrichment plants....
America is telling the world get along without us...
yep clusterf*ck coming soon..
(and if egypt & turkey both go islamic? lol)
"Looks like, now that the banks have started "paying back," the Deficit in $200 Billion less than originally estimated."
ReplyDeleteThe assumption being what? That the $200 million won't be spent on something else?
"The report could tamp down some of the public anger directed against both parties over the bailouts. Congressional leaders are already planning to use some of the program’s money for economic stimulus and job creation.
Of course, the government’s potential losses extend beyond the Treasury program. The Federal Reserve, for example, still holds a trillion-dollar portfolio of mortgage-backed securities whose market value is unknown."
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Ahhh, but the Federal Reserve IS NOT the Federal Government.
ReplyDeleteIt is a private Federally Chartered business.
But, then again, that's just a detail, both a fact and a reality.
The Federal Reserve not even answerable to the Congress.
ReplyDeleteIt cannot even be audited by the Government.
"war is already here..."
ReplyDeleteNot with us going stepping directly into it and leaping into breaking news on CNN, it isn't. That's what I meant.
I was extremely confident that the last administration was going to avoid Iran like the plague. We would suck up whatever we had to suck up in Iraq and just drive on - much to John Bolton's dismay. (I wonder how long he kept his hopes up?)
Now I just think Iran's leadership is going to screw their own pooch and this administration will feel its hand forced. To mix metaphors.
If there were any upside to it, it's just this: NO TROOPS.
Well, Q, what can we do? The world can buy all the corn it wants from us for $0.07/lb.
ReplyDeleteWe do give away a lot of corn. (which may be one of the world's problems, btw.) Something like 70% of the world's malnourished are "subsistence farmers." Their main problem is they don't have a "cash" crop. They can't raise corn for sale, because WE flood the market with cheap, subsidized corn (at least, before ethanol we did.)
Anyway, you tell ME. What do we do?
The county for Seattle is King County. Believe or not, they are much more concerned about the Green River flooding than they are with just about anything else...
ReplyDeleteAs for the "bailouts:" I just stated that it was wrong to consider them "expenditures." The odds were very good that the money would be paid back. That meant they were loans, and thus "assets" purchased. We DID turn a profit on those that have been paid back, btw.
ReplyDeleteNow, if Uncle turns around and spends that money on other programs that is another story. Then they should be considered as part of the deficit.
I can believe that, GR. It's a lot more fun living "next to" a river than "living IN" a river.
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting the the Ecofascists have launched this assault on our economy, and well-being on December, 7th.
ReplyDeleteWhat is it about this day?
In the news
ReplyDeleteSarah Palin played off the title of her book, "Going Rogue," to poke fun at Vice President Joe Biden in a speech to Washington journalists, saying if the election had turned out differently, Vice President Biden could be on the road selling his book, "Going Rogaine."
Gotta run up to Missouri for a bottle of Bushmills soon. This is Irish Coffee weather here in Wal*Mart country.
ReplyDeleteDry county.
Thursday's the day, Sarah book signing in CdA. Got one order from my engineer. If you want one, speak now or forever hold your peace. (don't know how many I can get)
ReplyDeleteIt's 15 degrees here, Linear.
GALLUP: OBAMA HITS NEW LOW AT 47%..
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REPORT: Tiger's Wife Moves Out...
SWING: 7th woman named as mistress...
Witness told troopers Woods had been drinking...
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times, no man needs more than one wife, and, just maybe, one mistress. More than that you end up on the bottle.
Tiger's wife is making the good move, which is out, and away, with that $300 million.
"The Federal Reserve not even answerable to the Congress.
ReplyDeleteIt cannot even be audited by the Government."
Yet.
Congress Debates Auditing Federal Reserve
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WASHINGTON – The Obama administration took a major step Monday toward imposing the first federal limits on climate-changing pollution from cars, power plants and factories, declaring there was compelling scientific evidence that global warming from manmade greenhouse gases endangers Americans' health.
ReplyDeleteThe announcement by the Environmental Protection Agency was clearly timed to build momentum toward an agreement at the international conference on climate change that opened Monday in Copenhagen, Denmark. It signaled the administration was prepared to push ahead for significant controls in the U.S. if Congress doesn't act first on its own.
The price could be steep for both industry and consumers. The EPA finding clears the way for rules that eventually could force the sale of more fuel-efficient vehicles and require plants to install costly new equipment — at a cost of billions or even tens of billions of dollars — or shift to other forms of energy.
Energy prices for many Americans probably would rise, too — though Monday's finding will have no immediate impact since regulations have yet to be written. Supporters of separate legislation in Congress argue they could craft measures that would mitigate some of those costs.
ReplyDelete30 Senators, not enough by half.
ReplyDeleteIt'll be a long, long wait.
And for you, bob, let the Constitutinalists explain how the Congress can delegate their authority.
To deny their responsibility.
Mmm, my dad would make Irish coffee all the time. I vaguely remember him using tea, though. Maybe that's because he wasn't Irish.
ReplyDeleteEPA Administrator Lisa Jackson said Monday, "There are no more excuses for delaying," adding that the so-called endangerment analysis from global warming had been under consideration at the agency for three years. After the official finding, she said the agency is now "obligated to make reasonable efforts to reduce greenhouse pollutants under the Clean Air Act."
ReplyDeleteWhite House spokesman Robert Gibbs said President Barack Obama "still believes the best way to move forward is through the legislative process" — something Obama has expressed on a number of occasions as he has pressed Congress to shift the nation's energy priorities away from fossil fuels and to reduce climate-changing pollution.
The EPA said scientific evidence clearly shows that greenhouse gases "threaten the public health and welfare of the American people" and that the pollutants — mainly carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels — should be reduced, if not by Congress then by the agency responsible for enforcing air pollution.
"These long-overdue findings cement 2009's place in history as the year when the United States government began addressing the challenge of greenhouse-gas pollution," said Jackson.
She rejected claims by climate skeptics that the science of global warming remains in doubt, an argument given additional attention in recent weeks with the disclosure through intercepted e-mails that a British scientist had privately discussed ways to shield certain climate data from public scrutiny.
"The vast body of evidence not only remains unassailable, it has grown even stronger," said Jackson.
And yes, Quirk, if the US government does not define or declare another nations actions to be against "The Laws of Nations", then, for US, those actions were not considered illegal.
ReplyDeleteTo define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
Section 8, Article 1, US Constitution.
And the US has so declare the continued occupation and settlement upon the captured territories to be illegal. Each subsequent US Administration has done so, since 1967. So the US position on that issue is clear as crystal.
ReplyDeleteHas the US Federal government so defined and declared that these other expulsions by the Egyptians to be illegal acts, violating the laws of nations, at any time since 1967?
The EPA's involvement in reducing climate-changing pollution, stems from a 2007 Supreme Court decision that declared that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are pollutants under the Clean Air Act. But the court said the EPA would have to determine if these pollutants pose a danger to public health and welfare before it could regulate them.
ReplyDeleteThe sooner the EPA attacks the problem, the better. Let's see how committed the Democrats are. I can see the Senate rejecting Copenhagen/Kyoto (or maybe not) and the climate zealots inflicting crippling new fees, taxes and costs on the US economy.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, go ahead, make my day.
How long do you think a political party will last if it's responsible for stealing an extra 5 or 6 thousand dollars per year from every American household?
ReplyDeleteRemember, insurance costs are going to increase significantly, too.
...its...
ReplyDelete"Anyway, you tell ME. What do we do?"
ReplyDeleteRufus, you know I don't solve problems. I just bitch about them. You also know that the only reason I'm denigrating ethanol here is as an offset to your unbridled enthusiasm for it. It's what I do.
In the past, you and I have had many discussions on the value of ethanol
and its problems (environmental, technical, land-use offsets, costs [required subsidies, fluctuating prices], government mandates, logistics, etc. No sense re-hashing them here.
I don't see ethanol as the answer to our problem. I do see it as part of a broad array of different alternative technologies that will eventually help manage the problem and mitigate our dependence on coal and petrol.
Unfortunately, none of them (wind, solar, nuclear, natural gas, ethanol, electric, etc.) is going to significantly change our dependence on coal and oil in the short run. The alternatives all have problems associated with them (technical, political, environmental, logistical, infrastructure, cost, construction lead times, etc.) that will delay their full implementation for many years.
Eventual $4.00 to $5.00 gas. Probably.
But look at the bright side. That may at least take away the cost problems associated with ethanol.
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Rufus:
ReplyDeleteWhat would it take ($; startup, overhead and operating)to generate $100K annual net from ethanol in a vertically integrated business model?
That is grown, distilled and retailed?
Throw a little of This in your coffee, you're ready for the polar bear plunge.
ReplyDelete" And yes, Quirk, if the US government does not define or declare another nations actions to be against "The Laws of Nations", then, for US, those actions were not considered illegal."
ReplyDeleteRat, your point is pointless, at least with respect to my initial post. It's another straw man. In my post I was talking the morality of the existing situation, you are talking the legality.
"Has the US Federal government so defined and declared that these other expulsions by the Egyptians to be illegal acts, violating the laws of nations, at any time since 1967?"
ReplyDeleteIrrelevant to my initial post.
My body temperature is low enough if you add alcohol and the polar plunge, I'd freeze to death.
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ReplyDeleteThere is mo morality in punishing a group that is not the cause of the expulsions.
ReplyDeleteThere is no moral equivalency excepting that both the Eygptians and the Isreali governmental actions are horrific.
In that they are equivalent, but there is no moral equivalency that connects the victims in Eygpt to the oppressors in the Levant.
...oppressors in the Levant.
ReplyDeleteGive me a break...
You better go back and read the history of the Levant. Say from about 1880 to the present.
"Occupiers", "oppressors", blah, blah, blah.
You're entitled to your opinion but you have gone beyond giving an opinion or making an argument. We have read your daily pokes and prods for weeks on end now. So much so that the only thing you're doing now is showing your ass.
No, whit, I agree with the position of every Administration since 1967.
ReplyDeleteThose settlements are an illegal occupation, a daily war crime in a Jim Crow society.
That is the position of the United States, that you believe your country is in the position of an asshole and has been continuously since 1967, well, amigo, love it or leave it.
I said you are entitled to your opinion, but to insist on beating it into us is asinine.
ReplyDeleteIf the Eygptians are oppressing the Copts, and as Qiurk claims there is a moral equivalency to the Isreali actions with regards the Palis, then the Palis are oppressed, just as the Copts are.
ReplyDeleteIf there is an equivalency.
I second Whit's question
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I am called a bigot and a hater every day, for stating the US position in the matter.
ReplyDeleteI will continue to state the US position. I am proud of the United States, it does stand for right and freedom, we should keep our honor clean.
"We have read your daily pokes and prods for weeks on end now."
ReplyDelete---
uh, make that "years"
Still possible you enjoy being a hater and a bigot.
ReplyDeleteLooks like history might show Nixon to be the one that inflicted the most damage to the country via the EPA.
ReplyDeleteMelody, if thou should take a polar plunge with me, thy body would o'er heated be, or I'd die tryin'.
ReplyDeleteI haven't lived in this cold neck of the woods for years for nothin' you know.
I go now to try and clear up this dang computer, which is giving me fits, by running the 'operating systems disc' on the advice of my wife.
Gore turns to poetry: 'The shepherd cries, the hour of choosing has arrived'...
ReplyDelete"the final lines of Gore’s poem certainly apply to the governments that will gather in Copenhagen from December 7 to 18 for what is regarded as humanity’s last chance to avert absolutely catastrophic climate change."
Gosh, when I was a kid, crazy people carrying placards predicting the end of the World were considered fodder for the funnies.
That world has changed, my friend. Turned upside down and inside out.
ReplyDeleteWhit, I just got back, and saw your question. Let me study on it a bit, and I'll post something after while.
ReplyDelete"If the Eygptians are oppressing the Copts, and as Qiurk claims there is a moral equivalency to the Isreali actions with regards the Palis, then the Palis are oppressed, just as the Copts are."
ReplyDeleteRat, I see you are once again indulging in expediency to make your point. You have taken my post and again created a straw man presenting a false dilemma, i.e. that since “the Eygptians (sic) are oppressing the Copts, …Quirk claims there is a moral equivalency to the Isreali (sic) actions with regards the Palis…” Obviously, something I did not say.
While I talked of morality as opposed your legalistic position, I did not talk about moral equivalency which would have involved value judgments about the Israeli and Egyptian situations. Obviously, both the Copts and the Palestinians are suffering in their current situations. In a perfect world neither situation would exist. However, this, in and of itself, does not prove the moral equivalency of the Israeli and Egyptian situations.
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Bennet says $75 Million/year extra for New York for security for the trials.
ReplyDeleteBennet caller says someone stood in line for 7 hours for opportunity to throw a tomatoee at Palin.
(He missed.)
Tomato hit a Police Seargeant.
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