Honduras has told the OAS to stay home. It certainly should repudiate the egregious interference in its internal affairs by Brazil. Today Honduras has threatened to revoke Brazil's diplomatic credentials for harbouring ousted president Manuel Zelaya in its embassy.
Honduras warned:
"If the status of Zelaya is not defined within 10 days, the [Brazilian] embassy will lose its diplomatic condition," Carlos Lopez Contreras, the de facto foreign minister, told a news conference on Sunday.
Susan Rice, the US ambassador to the United Nations, called on the Honduran government to "cease harassing the Brazilian mission".
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Ambassador Rice: Good afternoon everybody. Speaking as president of the Council I want to make a statement on behalf of the Council as follows: Members of the Council heard from the Foreign Minister of Brazil today. Council members stressed the importance of respecting International Law through preserving the inviolability of the Embassy of Brazil in Tegucigalpa, and other protections afforded it by the Vienna Convention on diplomatic relations, and ensuring the safety of individuals on its premises. They condemned acts of intimidation against the Brazilian Embassy and called upon the de facto government of Honduras to cease harassing the Brazilian Embassy and to provide all necessary utilities and services including water, electricity, food and continuity of communications. Respect and protection of the inviolability of diplomatic premises is a universally accepted principle of international relations.
The members of the Council call on all parties to remain calm and to avoid actions that escalate the situation or place individuals at risk of harm.
The members of the Council voiced support for the regional mediation efforts facilitated by the OAS, including those by President Arias, to reach a peaceful solution.
I’d like to take questions on Honduras first, if there are any, and then we can move to other topics.
Reporter: Is the Security Council willing to go and (inaudible) take any actions (inaudible)?
Ambassador Rice: No, I think this constitutes the response of the Security Council to the information provided it today.
Reporter: Did you and the Foreign Minister of Brazil talk after the meeting? What did you talk about?
Ambassador Rice: We had a private conversation; I am not prepared to share it.
Reporter: This is the right place to bring this type of discussion? I mean this subject was being discussed by the OAS and now it is at the Security Council?
Ambassador Rice: The issue of the Embassy of Brazil in Tegucigalpa was the subject that the Security Council discussed, not the larger, not primarily the larger situation.
Reporter: Not the larger political?
Ambassador Rice: Not primarily, no.
Reporter: Is it true that the United States was not happy that this subject was brought to the Security Council?
Ambassador Rice: No, we are the president of the Council and we acted in accordance with the wishes of the Council.
Reporter: Will you have another meeting about this issue?
Ambassador Rice: No, I don’t anticipate another meeting at this time on this issue.
Reporter: Is there anything else that the Security Council can do besides condemning the situation?
Ambassador Rice: This was the case brought by the government of Brazil of the circumstance of its Embassy in Tegucigalpa that was discussed. I have shared the Council’s reaction to that. And the Council looks to the regional mediation to continue its work on the larger political question of Honduras.
Reporter: Was it unanimous, your statement?
Ambassador Rice: This is a consensus statement.
The US is fighting two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan stating the need for a constitutional system. A so-called timber baron, Zelaya decided he wasn't satisfied with being a legal president for the constitutionally prescribed one term limit and wished to emulate the other Latin leftists and become a president for life.
The US should be applauding Honduras, not condemning it. but then we have our own leftist administration to contend with. Too bad for Honduras.
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Honduras vows to close Brazil embassy, cracks down
Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:45pm EDT
By Patrick Markey and Gustavo Palencia
TEGUCIGALPA (Reuters) - Honduras' de facto government threatened on Sunday to close Brazil's embassy for harboring ousted President Manuel Zelaya and moved to suppress dissent, defying international pressure to give up power.
The government, which took power after a June 28 coup, also denied entry to an Organization of American States delegation that had hoped to help broker a solution to the crisis.
The moves were aimed at stifling opposition and sending a clear message that it would not allow the leftist Zelaya's return to power under any circumstances, but they will also likely bring further international condemnation.
Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said he would ignore a 10-day deadline set by de facto leader Roberto Micheletti to decide what to do with Zelaya, who is holed up with his family and some supporters in Brazil's embassy in the capital.
"Brazil will not comply with an ultimatum from a government of coup mongers," Lula told reporters at a summit of African and South American leaders in Venezuela.
Lula also demanded an apology from Micheletti, but the government instead warned that Brazil would lose its right to have an embassy in Honduras if it ignores the deadline.
Zelaya was overthrown in a military coup on June 28, but he secretly returned from exile last Monday, sparking a tense standoff with the de facto civilian government that has promised to arrest him on charges of treason.
Hundreds of soldiers and riot police have surrounded the embassy all week, while protesters have mounted almost daily marches to demand Zelaya be reinstated.
NOTE: I had to remove the map that showed where the visits to the EB were coming from.
ReplyDeleteThe map is sponsored by Google and freely used advertising by Google.
Many news sites are trying to go to pay for service and will be restricting the free re-circulation of their content. We always link to source sites and do not advertise for a reason.
We cannot legally profit from the use of other's creative work.
I simply do not have the time to write every post. Besides, it is more fun this way and we should enjoy it while we can.
Youtube and almost every web site is trashed up by advertising. It is unfortunate that the internet will be dominated by mega-corporations. I enjoyed the tranquility of Netscape and am more comfortable with entrepreneurial minamilism. The day will arrive when Blogger/Google will force advertising.
That would end the EB as we know it.
I mean really, you go to the Belmont and next to wretchard's work is a flash video on how to grow longer more beautiful eyelashes.
ReplyDeleteWhat's that map link, 2164th? Sounds interesting.
ReplyDeleteIt was very interesting Sam. The problem is that it was laced with Google Ads. Recall the intensity of criminsl charges against downloaders of copyright material in the form of music, video etc.
ReplyDeleteI fully expect future similar actions against conservative bloggers, many of whom often beat the MSM, to stories and trends. The onbvious place to attack them will be through copyright laws, all of which refer to use for commercial gain.
A thousand unique readers, each day, that is a substantial audience.
ReplyDeleteMake no mistake about that.
Pays to be civil, going easy on the vitriolic behaviors.
I tried here but it says 2164th.blogspot.com is already registered.
ReplyDeleteYou might look into sitemeter.com, Deuce. There's a little advertising at the link, but it doesn't intrude on the blog page. I don't know how the copyright and advertising issues would play. Probably the same as the service you just closed.
ReplyDeleteI guess I don't understand exactly how the copyright problems manifest themselves.
ReplyDeleteIf Google gets their cut, what problems still remain?
I make a habit of ignoring online advertising, thereby minimizing my personal distraction, although Townhall is overwhelming to the point of distraction.
Family Video of Rufus as a Young Child
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of Netscape and the early days of free, these videos are quite interesting:
ReplyDeleteMarc Andreessen:
When We Founded Netscape, Everyone Thought We Were Nuts
Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About The Coming China Collapse...
ReplyDeleteFor instance, did "Business Insider" have to get "Pivot Managements" permission to make this legal.
ReplyDeleteGo Ahead, Embed This Post!
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If so, are you saying Drudge get's permission for the hundreds of links everyday?
Any description of when and where fair use does not apply would be appreciated.
Another decree from the Fascist in Chief:
ReplyDeleteObama We Need To Bail Out Newspapers Or Blogs Will Run The World
Andreeson says The Valley still acts like a Black Hole for other Tech Centers, drawing off the most talented and ambitious, all the way to Boston.
ReplyDelete(about the only locale still thriving in CA.)
BHO will probly bail out Harvard next.
"Business Insider" obviously got "Pivot Managements" permission --- I didn't realize they published the whole thing.
ReplyDeleteWhich explains what you were saying about posting here way beyond fair use.
Is it true, then that as long as you make zero dollars that it is legal to post entire articles?
My guess is that it is not, so I guess you're saying that as long as you don't profit, they won't bother you about Copyright Infringement?
Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About The Coming China Collapse...
ReplyDeleteSimilarly to the housing and consumption bubbles in the Western economies, credit has played a pivotal role in the investment bubble in China. Since the beginning of the decade up to H1 2009, domestic credit in China has expanded 50% more than GDP (chart 5).
China is an outlier compared to the other “BRIC” countries in terms of the credit to GDP ratio (140% as of H1 2009) and is already beyond the levels that historically have led to sharp and brief credit crises in the past (chart 6).
If loans continue to grow at the current 35% rate, credit to GDP ratio will be close to 200% in China already in 2010, even with GDP expanding at 10%. This is a level similar to the pre-crisis Japan in 1991 and USA in 2008. All this points to that credit in China is not going to be able to grow for much longer without risking a
major crisis.
At the same time, the effectiveness of domestic credit in generating growth is collapsing. In the period from 2000 to 2008, it took on average $1.5 of credit to generate $1 of GDP growth in China.
This compares very favourably with the peak $4 of credit for $1 of GDP in USA in 2008.
However in H1 2009 in China this ratio was already at around $7 to $1.
Credit might be going into the luxury property and stock markets, but the trickle down to the real economy is very poor.
China's Demand For Oil Falls For First Time In Six Months
ReplyDeleteThat is my position Doug. I doubt anyone will complain if they get a link and we boost their site visits. We do not edit their articles. They get a fair hearing. We argue with their points but do not distorrt it.
ReplyDeleteDrudge for instance drives 25% of UK web site traffic. The media gets another advantage with sites like the EB. We say what we really think. It is no coincidence that the BBC wanted to interview us.
The BBC and other media have to moderate comments. No one reads their threads anyway. The big sites like Hugh Hewitt only publish what they want to hear or as it plays to their agenda.
If this administartion wants to destroy the right wing blogs they will attack them through copyright laws.
I take it you turned BBC down.
ReplyDeleteI rarely read Hewitt's site, probly partly because of the censorship.
Miller doesn't read his own site:
He found the level of emotion disturbing to his desire to preserve his sense of humor!
That's his source of income, after all!
Has his staff keep up to date with regard to insurrections, etc.
I'm probly hated there, I only comment to complain about website design.
Most go their to suck up and heap praise.
Takes all kinds.
I see the boisterous malcontents are demanding Stan's head on a pike, Diana West leading the way with her bill of particulars.
ReplyDeleteNeed we call the strap-in team to change a few hearts and minds on our end? I hope it doesn't come to that, but they're looking for work, you know.
In the meantime, I intend to maintain the 'fun' in your dysfunctional military - and the 'WTFO' in your woah-fighting.
Ahhhhhh, Monday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e322vTpTyOE
"So, how was it?"
ReplyDelete"Most excellent."
"I'm surprised you came back."
"Well, we did consider staging our own kidnapping. Don't you wonder how many fewer extensions there'd be if they asked us a year in rather than hours after touching down?"
"[Redacted] might not come back from Boston."
"And that's fucking Boston. We had to drag our happy asses out of paradise."
"It's rough."
Chain the Ebassy doors on the outside.
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ReplyDeleteWe flew to Miami with Eric, terrific young man and RSO guy - embarking on five weeks' leave before heading out to Baghdad again. ("I haven't had five weeks without work since I was fourteen.")
ReplyDeleteAnd he remarked before we were even wheels-up on what everyone eventually discovers: You're so tightly fucking wound all the time and don't even notice it - until you finally sit your ass down on a flight headed out. The mistake is waiting too long to take that flight.
2164th, you, and Doug, and Linear, seem to think that simply because the Hondurans have a constitution the removal of Zelaya was all good and should be supported by the US. If that is all it takes for a government to act then why not support Iran? They too have a constitution.
ReplyDeleteThis is why you're screwed: Oil Discoveries
ReplyDeleteThis is what explains it:
ReplyDeleteInterview with an Oil Man
Buy a Flexfuel.
" If that is all it takes for a government to act then why not support Iran? They too have a constitution."
ReplyDelete...because Iran is not Honduras
Rufus has been drinking that E-85 again!
ReplyDeleteYes 2164th, the rationales offered seem very situational and not principle based. Democracy, Constitutional law, and the will of the people seem to be subservient to a simple dislike of Zelaya's politics.
ReplyDeleteI won't be running E85 in 2011, Doug. I'll be running 190 proof home brew.
ReplyDeleteRufus was unhinged by this Linear
ReplyDeleteLink: here.
Understandable, I think most of you will agree.
WTF are you talking about, Ash?
ReplyDeleteYou spout nonsense like those SF Boys spout semen.
Disgraceful, in both cases.
no doug it is you with the nonsensical position. A constitution created by the military that the people cannot change (heck they can't even talk about trying to change it) is not a good constitution but rather a strait jacket. The Iranian constitution has similar problems but on the one hand you rant about Constitutional law and the other you ignore it. Nonsense!
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Never met a Dictator he didn't support.
ReplyDeleteReliable totalitarian, Ash.
There you go again Doug, spouting nonsense.
ReplyDeleteReal Homes of Genius:
ReplyDeleteWhen a $127,000 Down Payment Evaporates in Santa Monica.
Living the good life for 3 Years Courtesy of Easy Debt in the Westside.
"If you want to see problems just look the notice of default line above. Notice of defaults are normally filed after 3 missed payments. So let us do the numbers:
ReplyDelete$36,285 / (3 months) = $12,095 monthly nut
Does this home look like a $12,095 per month home? You can rent a nicer place in Beverly Hills for that amount. Clearly whoever bought this home was unable to carry that amount and lost the home in August.
This home is viewable to the public and not part of the shadow inventory. On the MLS I’m seeing 4 foreclosures listed for Santa Monica including this home. But guess what is in the shadows?"
Pre-foreclosure: 104
Bank owned: 25
And there are some bigger fish in the shadows that I’ll bring to you in the near future.
Pre-foreclosure: 104
Bank owned: 25
And there are some bigger fish in the shadows that I’ll bring to you in the near future.
"A constitution created by the military that the people cannot change (heck they can't even talk about trying to change it) is not a good constitution but rather a strait jacket."
ReplyDeleteIn fact, the latest constitution is the 16th in a series of constitutions formed in Honduras and the trend has been that each one in the series added provisions that increased the democratic process. Most observers consider the 1982 constitution to be the most "democratic" in the series.
Created by the military? Actually while it was developed under the military junta, it was written by the Constituent Assembly that was dominated by Honduras' two major political parties. And in fact, it took affect shortly after the inauguration of a civilian president.
That the people can't change? The only things that can't change are the amendment process itself, the forms of government, national territory, and several articles involving the presidency including term of office and the prohibitions against reelection.
I find it ironic that someone from Canada has the temerity to criticize another country's constitution as "not a good constitution but rather a strait jacket..." when your own country includes such pc, anti-democratic provisions such as the Canadian Human Rights Commisssion."
Laughable.
Quirk wrote:
ReplyDelete"The only things that can't change are the amendment process itself, the forms of government, national territory, and several articles involving the presidency including term of office and the prohibitions against reelection."
And therein lies the problem. Your Canard re Canada really has no bearing on this at all.
"And therein lies the problem."
ReplyDeleteNo therin lies your problem. You appear to be the only one that has a problem with these aspects of the constitution. The OAS, the US State Department, the EU, and frankly even Canada are not arguing that these are issues. What they are arguing is with the way Zalaya was kicked out of the country. In fact the only ones that have taken your side in this are the leftist like Chavez.
"Your Canard re Canada really has no bearing on this at all."
ReplyDeletePlease, people who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.
Quirk you do not know what you are talking about regarding the Canadian Constitution. For starters what you wrote is false - the Canadian Constitution does not include "such pc, anti-democratic provisions such as the Canadian Human Rights Commisssion."
ReplyDeleteIn fact it is running into constitutional problems:
"Hate speech law unconstitutional: rights tribunal"
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1954734
And yes, the bulk of the criticism of the Honduran situation revolve around how Zelaya was removed. The foundation of his removal is the constitutional problem. Even if you leave the constitutional issue aside the Zelaya removal is problematic. The bulk of Doug's and 2164th argument however is based on their Constitution.
The US has a two term limit on its' President. Seems reasonable that the Hondos were afraid of even that.
ReplyDeleteMannie could cmpaign for a Constitutional Amendment, without worry. It is just that he, himself, could not benefit from the change.
So, if it was for the "good" of Honduras and Mannie cared about Honduras, he campaign for the institutional change, but not for the office, himself.
That he does not, is telling.
It is the reason for that particular phrasing, in their Constitution. If Mannie wwas fighting for Honduras, he'd step aside for new elections and campaign for another Constitutional revision.
For the children.
But he is not in it for the "good" of Honduras, but for himself.
To make it clear for you Quirk, both Doug and 2164th have cited the Honduran constitution as a valid basis for Zelaya's removal. I am disputing that point.
ReplyDeleteI am not sure that is the case DR. Didn't Mannie suggest that there be a referendum on changing the term limits and that is what led to his ouster - not in fact suggesting that he be the beneficiary of such a change. I am unclear as to these details though.
ReplyDeletefrom reuters:
ReplyDelete"Here is a timeline of events since the crisis began.
June 24 - President Manuel Zelaya fires military chief of staff General Romeo Vasquez after the army refused to help distribute ballots for an unofficial referendum on overhauling the constitution in part to allow for presidential re-election. The Supreme Court had already ruled the vote illegal.
June 25 - The Supreme Court orders Vasquez reinstated. Zelaya leads a group of rowdy supporters to storm a military base to take the ballots by force and vows to move ahead with the vote.
June 28 - On the day of the referendum vote, soldiers stage a coup by arresting Zelaya in an early morning raid on his house and expelling him in his pajamas on a plane to Costa Rica.
-- Honduran Congress names Roberto Micheletti interim president. Supreme Court says it ordered the army to remove Zelaya."
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE58L4W520090922
Criminal investigators in Honduras have reportedly found computers containing the certified election results of the referendum which was to confirm Mel Zelaya as president for…however long he wanted to be president, I guess. Anyway, the certified results contained voting tallies, information about the voters, and other electoral information. An example:
ReplyDeleteOne of the district attorneys that participated in the operation that took place this Friday showed reporters an official voting result from the Technical Institute Luis Bogran, of Tegucigalpa, in which the specific number of people that participated in table 345, where there were 550 ballots, 450 of which were votes in favor of Zelaya’s proposal and 30 were against, in addition to 20 blank ballots and 30 ballots, which were nullified.
That’s a very complete report of the election, and contains a wealth of details about the results that would be a credit to the authorities in charge of any election.
Of course, it would be even more impressive if the referendum had actually taken place.
There was no referendum. It was aborted by the legal, constitutional removal of Mr. Zelaya from power.
And yet, in the presidential palace’s computer, Mr. Zelaya apparently had a complete, certified result of an election that never took place.
If the Honduran authorities are to be believed, the evidence is that he had already completed a plan to steal the election, and the only remaining act to be performed was to conduct a sham referendum, whose results had already been determined.
Yet, this is the guy that the Obama Administration and the OAS thinks should be the legitimate leader of Honduras.
"Here is a timeline of events since the crisis began..."
ReplyDeleteWhat is the point? The outline you provided shows that Zelaya was trying to pull off actions that were unconstitutional.
Was it the fact that he was kicked out of the country in his pajamas?
I'll admit they should have let him get dressed.
Kicking him out of the country was authorized by the Supreme Court so I've been assuming it was legal. Perhaps there was a process problem. Not sure. However, it is easily rectifiable. The government has indicated that if Zalaya will give himself up, they will put him on trial.
jeeze Quirk, do you comprehend what you yourself write? You bitch that I bring up the problems with the Constitutional justification and then after much whining and roundabout arguing you offer their constitution as justification. Lordy!
ReplyDeleteWell, jeez Ash, you seem to miss my point which is who the hell are you to criticize portions of the Honduran constitution especially in light of the fact that none of the major players in this fiasco are doing so other than Zelaya and Chavez?
ReplyDelete"Quirk you do not know what you are talking about regarding the Canadian Constitution. For starters what you wrote is false - the Canadian Constitution does not include "such pc, anti-democratic provisions such as the Canadian Human Rights Commisssion."
ReplyDeleteYou could be right. Hell, I think Harper is your current Premier; however,I could be wrong. And I'm not knocking Canada. I have some Canadian friends. My kids own a cottage at Point Pelee. Even with limited resources Canada has always been there for the US.
My argument is with you knocking the Honduran constitution. First, as I mentioned in a previous post, because no major country other than Venezuela is complaining about it. Second, that when it comes to issues of democracy you have enough issues in your own country.
You will note in my initial post that I did not say the Human Rights Commission was written into your constitution.
Admittedly, my knowledge of the Canadian constitution is limited. I assumed that since the Human Rights Commission was a government agency that it was set up under the constitution. If I'm wrong I humbly apologize.
However, I'm still assuming it's a government agency; and while I'm not sure of the process by which it was established, I have heard of some of the horror stories of what it has wrought.
I have posted many times of our need for Health Insurance for Everyone.
ReplyDeleteThis is the Best argument why I could be Wrong.
Wow, someone is off-script!
ReplyDeleteLewis Amselem, US ambassador to the Organization of American States (OAS), said Washington had asked Mr Zelaya not to return because of potential unrest.
He called on him to urge his supporters to keep their protests peaceful.
Earlier, Honduran troops raided two media outlets that had been critical of the interim government.
Radio Globo and Cholusat Sur TV were closed after authorities issued a state of emergency suspending key civil liberties for 45 days.
The measures were in response to a call by Mr Zelaya for his supporters to stage a protest exactly three months since he was deposed.
Mr Zelaya is holed up in the Brazilian embassy in the capital Tegucigalpa after his dramatic return last week.
'Wild allegations'
"The return of Zelaya [without] an agreement is irresponsible and foolish. He should cease and desist from making wild allegations and from acting as though he were starring in an old movie," said Mr Amselem at an emergency meeting of the OAS.
Quirk Asks:
ReplyDelete"who the hell are you to criticize portions of the Honduran constitution especially in light of the fact that none of the major players in this fiasco are doing so other than Zelaya and Chavez?"
Answer - just another armchair warrior like yourself pecking away at a keyboard. As a side note you seem particularly concerned with, swayed by, individuals who say things as if the fact they whomever says something has a bearing on its truth. To repeat myself yet again for your benefit - Doug, 2164th, YOURSELF, and others have stated that the overthrow of Zelaya is a good thing because it was constitutional. Addressing their constitution is thus a reasonable response to such an assertion.
Quirk wrote:
"You will note in my initial post that I did not say the Human Rights Commission was written into your constitution."
wellll, actually you did, you wrote:
"I find it ironic that someone from Canada has the temerity to criticize another country's constitution as "not a good constitution but rather a strait jacket..." when your own country includes such pc, anti-democratic provisions such as the Canadian Human Rights Commisssion."
Laughable.
Mon Sep 28, 01:14:00 PM EDT"
and yes, it is a 'government commission' mostly set up individually by the provinces. There are definitely problems with them and I'm encouraged with that recent ruling that questioned the commissions constitutional viability - in particular the hate speech laws which seem to be at the center of the bulk of the problems. Still, the fact that there are problems in Canada, or the USA shouldn't invalidate ones opinions, should it?
"To repeat myself yet again for your benefit - Doug, 2164th, YOURSELF, and others have stated that the overthrow of Zelaya is a good thing because it was constitutional. Addressing their constitution is thus a reasonable response to such an assertion..."
ReplyDeleteThe point is that is your only point. You've keep repeating that the constitution is not a "good" constitution; however, as far as I've seen no on the blog has been convinced by your argument.
"wellll, actually you did, you wrote:
ReplyDelete"I find it ironic that someone from Canada has the temerity to criticize another country's constitution as "not a good constitution but rather a strait jacket..." when your own country [Note the word constitution not used] includes such pc, anti-democratic provisions such as the Canadian Human Rights Commisssion."
I apologize for the sloppy wording. I was rushing to get a flu shot. However, as I explained in a subsequent post, I wasn't saying the Commission was written into your constitution but set up under your constitution.
Zelaya should be executed on sight...
ReplyDeletethat would solve the issue once and for all...
"Still, the fact that there are problems in Canada, or the USA shouldn't invalidate ones opinions, should it?"
ReplyDeleteNo. However, you argue that Honduras should accept Zelaya back under terms set up in the Costa Rican proposal (which is basically what the major world governments are arguing). The rationale: because Honduras does not have a "good" constitution in your opinion.
Everyone else I've seen on the at the EB seems to disagree with you.
I disagree with countries that are governed by sharia law. I don't think their constitutions are especially "good". However, I don't argue that they are illigitimate.
the far left has no problem in stealing elections, killing opponents being thugs...
ReplyDeletethey just hate being caught...
kill Zelaya now..
he is a traitor to honduras and does not deserve any more of the world's attention
"...As a side note you seem particularly concerned with, swayed by, individuals who say things as if the fact they whomever says something has a bearing on its truth..."
ReplyDeleteSorry, tried reading it a couple times but have no idea what your trying to say here.
Rufus,
ReplyDeleteNo, you're just wrong AGAIN!
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At 9/27/2009 9:38 PM, www.peterdag.com said...
consider Europe..not just Germany....it would make a fairer comparison...Japan is 1/3 of the USA...Germany is 1/4 of the USA ...
At 9/27/2009 10:14 PM, Nicolas said...
This actually shows that the non-U.S. countries compare favorably relative to their populations.
The FDA is central to the harmful effects governments already exert on U.S. healthcare.
It does an exemplary job of retarding the introduction of new drugs.
Quirk, smell the coffee!
ReplyDeleteHe's saying that "they whomever says something has a bearing on its truth!"
We know what he was trying to say, but trying does not produce results for those at that level of retardation.
Sad.
Sorry, Doug.
ReplyDeleteJust now recovering from a major operation. It could be my meds.
Mama Voted for Obama
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You should regale us with your story, Quirk.
ReplyDeleteAlways good to hear about other people's health wo's, helps keep my mind off the ravages of age on my poor body and mind.
Let me tell you about my first colonoscopy...
I have no sympathy with the drug companies in the US.
ReplyDeleteI have no problem with them earning a decent profit based on legitimate costs. However, their supporters always point out the high cost of R&D as the reason for the high drug costs. What they fail to point out are the sales and marketing costs.
I have a number of health care professionals in the family and have jealously watched them being flown all over the country by the drug companies for seminars. The rooms are paid for, per diems, etc. Add to this the awareness adds on television, the freebee drugs they give to doctors, and we end up paying for it through tax write offs and higher drug prices.
They may be making fantastic drugs but they are sure not hurting if they can ante up $80 billion just to assure Obama won't get involved in their pricing.
@ 09:07 AM
ReplyDeleteShe Who Cannot Make A Link said:
"I see the boisterous malcontents are demanding Stan's head on a pike..."
Stan?
Really?
On a first name basis are we?
I believe that She Who Cannot Make A Link, can often be heard humming this tune
The White House removed its own symbolic gloves today by announcing the president would jet to Copenhagen to make a statement in person to the International Olympic Committee (IOC) - the first time a US president has done so.
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White House adviser Valerie Jarrett said both trips were being funded by taxpayers as official business.
Humor may be part of Mrs. Obama's strategy to sway the IOC.
When asked about crime in Chicago, she said to laughter: "Most of these Games are taking place blocks away from my house. There's good security by my house these days."
Going After Olympics
During the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign, now-U.S. Vice President Joe Biden said that like all U.S. presidents, Barack Obama would face a foreign policy test early in his presidency if elected. That test is now here.
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Back in April, in the midst of the financial crisis, Obama reached an agreement at the G-8 meeting that the Iranians would have until Sept. 24 and the G-20 meeting to engage in meaningful talks with the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council plus Germany (P-5+1) or face intensely increased sanctions. His administration was quite new at the time, so the amount of thought behind this remains unclear.
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In a way, the same issue is at stake in Afghanistan. Having labeled Afghanistan as critical — indeed, having campaigned on the platform that the Bush administration was fighting the wrong war — it would be difficult for Obama to back down in Afghanistan.
Iran/Afghanistan
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ReplyDeleteBlogger Quirk said...
ReplyDelete"...As a side note you seem particularly concerned with, swayed by, individuals who say things as if the fact they whomever says something has a bearing on its truth..."
Sorry, tried reading it a couple times but have no idea what your trying to say here."
Please excuse the typo. I inadvertently typed the word "they" instead of "that". I intended it to read:
"...As a side note you seem particularly concerned with, swayed by, individuals who say things as if the fact that whomever says something has a bearing on its truth..."
What I'm getting at is that you seem to think that if, say, Chevez, should say something then it necessarily must be false. i.e. Chevez says "The sun rises in the east" therefore it must be wrong. Or, similarly, if Zelaya is speaking to al Jazeera reporters it tells us something about the truth of what he says. Whom he says it to has no bearing on the truth or falsity of his claims.
Quirk wrote:
ReplyDelete"I disagree with countries that are governed by sharia law. I don't think their constitutions are especially "good". However, I don't argue that they are illigitimate"
So, you are fine with Iran then?
I agree it is tough line dealing with other Sovereign nations but we do have to deal with them. As trish so smarmily put it
"SovereinNationsActThatWay"
"SovereinNationsActThatWay"
"SovereinNationsActThatWay"
"SovereinNationsActThatWay"
Yet we can't really just retreat into fortress America and pretend what they do doesn't matter to US. Central America has a long history of military rule and they've come along way from there. It would be nice to see them continue on that path toward democratic rule.
Yes, viktor. On a first name basis.
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ReplyDeleteBHO has had more face time with David Letterman than with his wartime commander in Afghanistan.
ReplyDeleteBut I don't think I can say that, so I'm not going to.
ReplyDeleteNew Jersey Cop Robert Melia taped having sex with cows.
ReplyDeleteBHO mulls appointing him Agriculture Czar.
"Yet we can't really just retreat into fortress America and pretend what they do doesn't matter to US. Central America has a long history of military rule and they've come along way from there. It would be nice to see them continue on that path toward democratic rule."
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Your obdurate stupidity is astounding!
That's the whole idea of one term presidents in the Constitution!
TO AVOID WHAT Z-SHIT IS TRYING TO DO!
PUTZ!
Here's an idea Ash:
ReplyDeletePractice high diving into an empty pool.
Couldn't hurt.
Chevypower265
ReplyDeleteWhen I hear this great song it always makes me think of the movie "Return to Macon County"
random1978
ha ha thats funny when i clicked on this thats the first thing i thought of too that yellow 57 hauling ass through that huge curve at the beginning of the movie ive never met anyone who has ever seen that movie i took my wife to juliette ga where alot of this was filmed and i stopped on the bridge where they drag raced the 50 ford i was so excited my wife thoght i was retarded i told all my friends they had no clue what i was even talking about you are the first person in 20 years thats refrenced it
strangesheree
my very favorite fats song
(viktor's link "for she who can't")
ReplyDeleteOne term presidents also serve to keep the civilian government weak. Note also doug that civilian government is not military government. The primary point in all this, though, is to give the people of Honduras a say in how their government is run - a constitution delivered by the military with no means to alter it is not giving voice to the people.
ReplyDeleteoh, maybe I should add "you are astupid fuck doug"! Just to make my point more salient. :)
ReplyDelete‘Safe School Czar’ Ignored Statutory Rape
ReplyDeleteA teacher was told by a 15-year-old high school sophomore that he was having homosexual sex with an "older man." At the very least, statutory rape occurred. Fox News reported that the teacher violated a state law requiring that he report the abuse. That former teacher, Kevin Jennings, is President Obama’s "safe school czar."
It’s getting hard to keep track of all of this president’s problematic appointments. Clearly, the process for vetting White House employees has broken down.
(No, clearly BHO hates children and loves child molesters, just as he hates the USA and loves Islamic Fascists.)
In this one case in which Mr. Jennings had a real chance to protect a young boy from a sexual predator, he not only failed to do what the law required but actually encouraged the relationship.
According to Mr. Jennings’ own description in a new audiotape discovered by Fox News, the 15-year-old boy met the "older man" in a "bus station bathroom" and was taken to the older man’s home that night. When some details about the case became public,
Mr. Jennings threatened to sue another teacher who called his failure to report the statutory rape "unethical."
Note to self:
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ewwwww, good point dougie
ReplyDeleteCanada ranked higher than the United States on all of the mortality measures except for mortality due to cancer, a criteria for which both countries earned a "B" grade.
ReplyDeleteThe Conference Board said top-performing countries achieved better health outcomes on broad actions such as environmental stewardship and health promotion programs that focus on changes in lifestyle, along with education, early childhood development, and income to improve health outcomes.
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1 Japan A
2 Switzerland A
3 Italy A
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"Yes, viktor. On a first name basis."
ReplyDeleteWell, let no one say that "Stan" is a snob.
Nope.
ReplyDelete"So, you are fine with Iran then?"
ReplyDeleteFrankly, I don't give a shit about Iran. Their internal problems will need to be resolved by the Iranians.
Ambajinahwhatever is a bully, an anti-semite, and a sponsor of islamofascism and terror. But he is not nuts. If he gets the bomb, he's not going to do anything overt that will result in a bomb being dropped on him. (I suspect Reagan's bombing of Qhadaffi's tent served as an object lesson for many of these guys.)
As I posted to T, the whack jobs don't commit suicide they convince the junior whack jobs to commit suicide. If the US is worried about attack from Iran they should put their efforts into beefing up border security so that a dirty bomb doesn't get smuggled into the country by one of the junior whack jobs.
That's my opinion on Iran. I'm sure others here disagree with me. However, this has nothing to do with whether Iran has a "good" constitution.
Quirk, I tend to agree with you. In a a bizarre way, the national possession of nuclear weapons seems to make societies more rational than less. Nuclear powers tend to resolve conflicts at the lowest levels.
ReplyDeleteNorth Korea is a good example. They walk the line and use bluster anf bluff to hustle what they can from the US, but have yet to take any steps that would lead to a nuclear conflict.
After the world saw the impact on nulear weapons, all the great powers decided they needed them, but have never used them.
There is no evidence that newly acquired nuclear weapons ever get used in conflict, or would be used premptively.
Most human beings when exposed to great violence do not tend to want to return to it. I suppose that after you test a nuclear weapon or two, it stirs up your inner pacifist.
Such a range would put Israel and US bases in the region within striking distance. Television footage of the launches showed missiles soaring into the sky in desert-like terrain, to shouts of Allahu Akbar (God is Greatest).
ReplyDelete"All targets within the region, no matter where they are, will be within the range of these missiles," General Hossein Salami, commander of the Guards' air force, was quoting as saying on the Guards website.
Salami later told Iranian state television: "All of our enemies must know that we constantly envision ourselves to be in an atmosphere of threat. And we have prepared ourselves for the worst case scenario."
Key Talks
No nuclear power was more provoked than than the US on 911. We had the opportunity to use them in Afghanistan and did not. It is unlikely we ever will.
ReplyDelete"Yet we can't really just retreat into fortress America and pretend what they do doesn't matter to US."
ReplyDeleteDon't know where this one came from. It should be obvious that to a good many people on the blog this does matter. For that matter, it does matter to a lot of people in D.C. and throughout the country.
What I'm hearing you say is that if those people don't agree with your opinion on this matter then they are retreating into fortress America and pretending what the Hondurans do doesn't matter to US.
Only because Bush the pussy was president.
ReplyDeleteBut then again, nukes seem a little overkill on Afghanistan.
ReplyDeleteStan gets credit for this:
ReplyDelete60 Minutes asked him what he thought about the vegetable garden at Headquarters.
Stan:
"I'd like to turn it into a Rifle Range."
Sweet
And I agree with your observations Duece. However, it's easy to see how others, say the Israelis, might disagree. I can see how being in the neighborhood might change one's perspective.
ReplyDeleteI believe the same factors apply with regard to Iran and Israel; however, I was speaking primarily from a U.S. perspective given the size of our nuclear arsenal, our delivery systems, and the geographical distance. Of course this position becomes less tenable with each new apology tour.
It's a whole new world when France becomes the country with the balls.
Rocky Bites the Dust
ReplyDeleteIt is with great sadness that we say goodbye to you today. Our time chronicling the life of Denver and Colorado, the nation and the world, is over. Thousands of men and women have worked at this newspaper since William Byers produced its first edition on the banks of Cherry Creek on April 23, 1859. We speak, we believe, for all of them, when we say that it has been an honor to serve you. To have reached this day, the final edition of the Rocky Mountain News, just 55 days shy of its 150th birthday is painful.
Goodbye Colorado
"What I'm getting at is that you seem to think that if, say, Chevez, should say something then it necessarily must be false. i.e. Chevez says "The sun rises in the east" therefore it must be wrong. Or, similarly, if Zelaya is speaking to al Jazeera reporters it tells us something about the truth of what he says. Whom he says it to has no bearing on the truth or falsity of his claims."
ReplyDeleteYou got me on this one with regard to al Jazeera. I couldn't pass on that one when I saw it. Couldn't resist the low-hanging fruit. However, I think even you would admit that given a choice Zelaya would be unlikely to pick the Denver Post or the Detroit News as the first choice for his interview.
With regard to Chavez, you misread me. As I stated, none of the major players, the OAS, the US, Costa Rica, Canada, etc. had anything to say about the Honduran constitution but were instead objecting to the way Z was kicked out of the country. The only ones I've seen comment that the constitution was illegitimate were you and Hugo. In fact, if you can believe the reports, the illegal survey forms were printed up in Venezuela.
Al Jazeera? Guilty.
"i.e. Chevez says "The sun rises in the east" therefore it must be wrong." Straw man.
Al Qaeda militants launched a campaign against the state in 2003, blaming the royal family for corruption and opposing its alliance with the United States…
ReplyDeleteOfficials who back Abdullah seem to hope that spread of education could, hopefully, stem the rise of fanatical outfits.
Perhaps the desert kingdom's rulers would like the rest of the world to know their country more as a seat of learning than as a seat of the intolerant Wahabi sect of Islam.
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Mariela Cartaya, a 30-year-old Venezuelan tourist, said she and her son posed with Mr Gaddafi for a photograph.
ReplyDelete"He told me to give him a bit of space - he half hugged the child," she told AP.
Libya and Venezuela have enjoyed a close relationship for a number of years. Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez has visited Libya several times and the country named a football stadium in his honour.
Shopping Trip
Always late to these EB parties, but you needn't worry 2164, the Internet aint gonna be monopolized by anybody. I can point you to 10 other blogging platforms. Wordpress.com, for one, is far less ad-happy. In fact, you can leave ads off entirely and they could care less. There are dozens of others, literally. Then, you could also host your own Wordpress blog. Very simple, and you can do it on a $10/month server. Someone could set it up for you in less than an hour - charge you maybe $50 for doing so. Or do it yourself - you are pretty nimble with these tools.
ReplyDeleteThen there's Joomla, Drupal, Expression Engine, and over a hundred other content management systems that you can put up with only a little more trouble, and in some cases with far more robust platforms, than Wordpress (Drupal especially).
After moving to a "nonaligned" tech vendor (in terms of advertising), then you only have to make sure you don't import the problem, a la the Google Maps issues you referenced...but that's not too hard, really!
Doug, I noticed the embeddable links from TBI/Clusterstock a few weeks back. Blodget, a former dot.com Internet analyst who ran afoul of Elliot "Bareback" Spitzer, understands that links rule, not copyrights. Copyright laws have been abused to the point of being worthless. Disney led the charge on that back in the 80's, so that they could rake in royalties for Pinnochio and Snow While for 100 years. Yet, where is Disney in the online content world? Nowhere. He who amplifies or influences or otherwise adds value to the content of others, via links, will win, if you are playing commercially. If you are playing for fun, like EB, there will be plenty of places to play and plenty of content with which to play, in spite of Corpamerica copyrights and advertising.
Cheers!
J Willie
Sounds good to me.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the situation wrt photos used by Drudge, Breitbart, etc.
Drudge, for instance has This Yahoo Image on his page now.
Does he have some agreement with them, or what?
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ReplyDeleteI would not hazard a guess on answering that question generally, but, wrt the specific photo you linked to on Yahoo's servers, it is very generic and might well have been one obtained for free under a Creative Commons license, or cheaply via a non-exclusively license via Stockphoto.com or one of its competitors. I would imagine that Drudge has agreements in place with content providers (including wire services) providing him with access to their content in exchange for the links. Very few can source/direct traffic like him. Breitbart must have fairly standard distribution agreements with the wire services, et al b/c he publishes their stuff hot off the wire/cam.
ReplyDelete2164 - see Trent Telenko's comment #50 @ Wretchard's Second Derivative post; it is also highly instructive regarding the Web's empowerment of the "civic hornet swarms" that will blow right thought the liberal elites rantings and ravings (a la townhalls and tea parties just flat ignoring or openly deriding Nazi Pelosi).
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