COLLECTIVE MADNESS


“Soft despotism is a term coined by Alexis de Tocqueville describing the state into which a country overrun by "a network of small complicated rules" might degrade. Soft despotism is different from despotism (also called 'hard despotism') in the sense that it is not obvious to the people."

Friday, June 26, 2009

Who will get more from Cap and Trade, Pennsylvania or Costa Rica?

Rip-off artist, President of Costa Rica, Oscar Arias, Nobel Laureate

Pennsylvania

Fifty-nine percent (17.0) million acres of Pennsylvania's total land area (28.7 million acres) is
forest land, an increase of less than 1 percent since 1978.

Of the 17.0 million acres of forest land, 93 percent (15.9 million acres) is classified as timberland
(formerly known as commercial forest land). timberland acreage is virtually unchanged since the
1978 inventory.

Seventy-nine percent (12.5 million acres) of the timberland area in Pennsylvania is privately
owned.

The oak/hickory forest-type group is the most common in the state, making up 47 percent of the
timberland area. Northern hardwood forests cover 38 percent of the timberland area.

Sawtimber stands make up 54 percent of the timberland area, poletimber stands 31 percent, and
sapling/seedling and nonstocked stands 15 percent

Costa Rica

Costa Rica Forest Figures

Forest Cover

Total forest area: 2,391,000 ha
% of land area: 46.8%

Primary forest cover: 180,000 ha
% of land area: 3.5%
% total forest area: 7.5%
Primary forest loss since 1990:-29.4%

Forest Classification
Public: 24.3%
Private: 75.7%

There are approximately 24 families that control the land and assets in Cost Rica. Those families are the same that made fortunes de-foresting Cost Rica. They will be the same group to be net recipients of US taxpayer money under cap and trade. The tax payers of Pennsylvania will not.



69 comments:

  1. For those that support the direction of our country...

    Please dont complain when your laid off, roads are not repaired and your net pay shrinks..

    Please dont bitch about rising costs and how a "dollar" doesnt buy as much as it used to...

    I will, however, LAUGH my ass off at you.....

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  2. The new global economy. Founded on rent seeking, tax eating and corruption.

    Layoffs, potholes and paychecks will be troubling, but not the worst.

    People will die before this is over, from malnutrition, starvation, and freezing. While the polar bears, wolves and spotted owls frolic.

    Because, ya see, we're so enlightened we declare a life supporting innocuous gas to be a pollutant.

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  3. ...to solve a non-existing crisis called global warming. Insane.

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  4. It seems to me that too many people accept on faith the global warming dogma.

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  5. That's really interesting, Deuce. I had no idea.

    I've always thought of Costa Rica as a Giant Rain Forest.

    24 Families. Incredible.

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  6. We're being bled like a "Cash Cow."

    We should never have allowed the United Nations in NY.

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  7. Are we bleeding out?

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  8. It won't last. It will end ugly.

    My beautiful balloon

    Societies go through periods of insanity, e.g. WWI. In this instance, though, who will be the White Knight?

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  9. The "Good" news, if there is any, is that this craziness has very little chance of making it through "Closure" in the Senate.

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  10. Can't be long til they come for the carbonated cokes and the head on your beer.

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  11. Here, let me show you something.

    THIS is Global Temperatures since 1998.

    This is what's happening as global CO2 levels steadily rise.

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  12. Here is a longer range view. Satellite-derived temps since 1979.

    This June is going to drop it down farther.

    They won't be able to keep this charade going much longer.

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  13. trish said...

    Let me say that again.

    The US beat Spain
    .

    That would be big?

    Yea!

    Watching soccer always energizes me...to go out and do something exciting...like watching grass grow.

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  14. What's gross is I work for a power company. We looooooove the Waxman-Markey bill.

    Goldman-Sachs is salivating over the fucking cap and trade market. If you thought the housing bubble and $150/bbl oil was a scam, they don't have anything on the raping that is about to commence.

    You will lose a lot of money. The executive management at mine and Goldman will get richer off you.

    Free market my ass.

    Hope and change, motherfuckers.

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  15. DR from last thread

    desert rat said...
    What Can Obama Do?
    Six nonmilitary ways the president can influence Iran.
    By Benjamin Weinthal.

    All things that have been suggested before, tighten the economic screws, basicly.


    Thanks DR for showcasing what AIPAC has been DOING exactly for the last 7 years...

    MOST every one of those points were PART AND PARCEL OF AIPAC'S AGENDA!

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  16. Just for the record on Michael Jackson:

    He was a talented singer, who led a vacuous life addled with narcissism and drugs. He was a seducer of young boys, the intellectual wastrel of the dregs of the American entertainment industry.

    His meaninglessness death is only exceeded by the paltriness of a badly spent life.

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  17. 2164th said...
    Just for the record on Michael Jackson:

    He was a talented singer, who led a vacuous life addled with narcissism and drugs. He was a seducer of young boys, the intellectual wastrel of the dregs of the American entertainment industry.

    His meaninglessness death is only exceeded by the paltriness of a badly spent life.


    WELL SAID....

    Never has no much much been squandered by one.

    When I think of the potential of what he COULD have accomplished if he had ever actually been a MAN.......

    I hear this constant drumbeat about how he was a role model for the african american community...

    I want to puke....

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  18. why, wi"o", you are welcome.

    Just wanted you to know what the pussies of AIPAC were promoting.

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  19. trish said...

    Let me say that again.

    The US beat Spain
    .

    Lineman's response

    That would be big?

    Only if it was the US Army team that had had claimed the victory, for US.

    That'd break with the post WII trendlines, and would be "big".

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  20. desert rat said...
    why, wi"o", you are welcome.

    Just wanted you to know what the pussies of AIPAC were promoting.



    Yeah if only for the last 10 YEARS we had had any balls whatsoever we could have avoided the WAR which will now happen..

    The war in which you will BITCH like a wounded whore about collateral damage as murder...

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  21. Here are the GOP that supported the energy bill

    Mary Bono Mack (Calif.), Mike Castle, Mark Steven Kirk (Ill.), Leonard Lance (NJ), Frank LoBiondo (NJ), John McHugh (NY), Dave Reichert (Washington), Chris Smith (NJ).

    If they hadnt supported it, it would not have passed...

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  22. ..like watching grass grow.

    Fri Jun 26, 10:50:00 PM EDT

    For my money that has always been football, with the majority of the time spent milling about and/or in conference. Reason enough to despise Sundays when I was growing up because it frequently dominated the television.

    But I also played soccer for many years and so it has additional interest for me. Spending a third of my life overseas in places where soccer is an obsession has also had its influence.

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  23. Yeah if only for the last 10 YEARS we had had any balls whatsoever we could have avoided the WAR which will now happen..

    - What Is

    Pardon my intrusion into your polite discussion but, don't count on it.

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  24. I have to agree with the den mother, on this one. Seems to me that we are further away, not closer, to conflict. Espceially now that Neda has come to personify Iran.

    Lots of coulda and shoulda scenarios, but we are where we are.

    A long way from justifiable pre-emption, it's a long way to Tipperary.

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  25. Neda got nothin' to do with it. The smackdown on the Shiia uprising was, in fact, one of the selling points for the Iraq invasion and in the end we had to kill some to liberate the many.

    Israel doesn't want to do it. And we're too busy to open up that can of worms. So it's parry and thrust, parry and thrust for a good long while.

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  26. Regional war is closer than you think...

    Hezbollah has 40,000 rockets, invaded beirut last summer killed hundreds...

    Iran is smacking down the counter-rev (with usa's support)

    meanwhile syria is going over the top with new chem weapons and 1.2 billion in missile up grade

    hamas? re-armed and now thinking iran is on the right side of history (now that obama is supporting them)

    moslem brotherhood supported by hezbollah and iran are causing shit in egypt..

    taliban and palistan?

    indian and islam?

    no, now that america is stepping down as superpower MORE war is coming fast...

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  27. The USA is guilty of a war crime...

    How dare the USA deem a land to be any ethnic free?

    Let's substitute the word BLACK for Jew...

    No Blacks shall build on European lands

    No Blacks allowed to own lands in any nation but BLACK nation...

    Yep the world is alice in wonderland

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  28. Shoulda called us back in, oh, 2002.

    Could've jumped off from Afghanistan.

    Iraq just happened to be the itch we had to scratch.

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  29. duece had said that the Revolution needed a face, but it is Iran that needed the makeover, and recieved one.

    Bigger than you'd think, at the moment.

    The Iranians have been personalized, it'll make any pre-emptive military move much more difficult to market, here at home.

    With Obama still pushing for 'conversation' it puts even more pressure on Abracadbra and the mullahs. That the "Greenies" support negotiations with US, while Abracabra objects to going to the picnic just deepens the schisim in Iran.

    Obama, by continuing to offer to negotiate, is legitimizing the "Greenies" position. If he were to withdraw the offer, Abracadabra and the mullahs win that round.

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  30. dr: I have to agree with the den mother, on this one. Seems to me that we are further away, not closer, to conflict. Espceially now that Neda has come to personify Iran.

    Lots of coulda and shoulda scenarios, but we are where we are.


    Where are we?

    North Korea on the 4th of July?

    Iran with 7000 centrifuges spinning making nuke material at the rate of 2 per year?

    Hezbollah with taken over 30% of Lebanon, 40,000 rockets?

    Hamas taken over 50% of Palestinian lands and still declaring it's vow to destroy Israel?

    Syria building secret nuke sites and upgrading it's surface to air to the tune of 1.2 billion in the last 24 months (thanks to iran's money & russia weapons)

    Yep it's peaceful all right...

    That's not even talking about food riots in africa...

    global economy contracting by 3% and how this will cause governments around the world to become unstable...

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  31. Obama's willing to restore ties with syria, hugo, and iran PUSHES war closer...

    just sit back and pop some corn...

    war is coming...

    quickly...

    btw? how long til riots in our own cities?

    burn baby burn...

    the police forces being cut back, robberies are going up....

    war is here...

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  32. Obama's willing to restore ties with syria, hugo, and iran PUSHES war closer...

    just sit back and pop some corn...

    war is coming...

    quickly...

    btw? how long til riots in our own cities?

    burn baby burn...

    the police forces being cut back, robberies are going up....

    war is here...

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  33. The NorKs will launch a missile, it'll fall into the sea.

    That does not scare me.

    The Russians have thousands of nuclear warheads, that is a greater threat to whirled peace and US security, by far, than 40,000 bottle rockets in Beirut.

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  34. from debka
    Obama admits dialogue with Iran delayed indefinitely, derides Ahmadinejad
    June 26, 2009, 10:04 PM (GMT+02:00)


    Obama pours scorn on Ahmadinejad
    In another toughening of tone, US president Barack Obama admitted for the first time that "direct dialogue or diplomacy with Iran" would be "affected by the events of the last several weeks." After White House talks with German chancellor Angela Merkel, Friday, June 26, he said "the talks "compered by the P5-plus-1 group on Iran's nuclear program would likely continue." he said, because the world needs to recognize that the prospect of Iran with nuclear weapons was a "big problem."
    DEBKAfile notes that Obama while praising opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi, poured scorn on Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad s demand for an apology and accusations that the US president had meddled in Iran's internal affairs.
    He stressed the US had gone out of its way not to interfere with the election process in Iran. "I would suggest that Mr. Ahmadinejad think carefully about the obligations he owes to his own people. And he might want to consider looking at the families of those who've been beaten or shot or detained…That's where I think he and others need to answer their questions."
    In Tehran, a senior cleric called for the execution of dissidents for "declaring war on Allah."

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  35. Anarchy reigns in Ohio!

    Guess I'll just cross that destination off my intinerary.

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  36. US cities burned in 1968, nothing new there.

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  37. "Obama's willing to restore ties with syria, hugo, and iran PUSHES war closer..."

    Bush got the ball rolling on Syria in 2006. Syria in return got a scrub on its nuclear program. It was the previous admin that hatched the plan to pull Syria back our way.

    We've had diplomatic relations with Venezuela for as long as I can remember. Chavez is just particularly fond of kicking someone out every week. Or threatening to. Then we often have to go to the trouble of kicking out one of theirs. The ambassador was booted over the Reyes op, IIRC.

    We still got no game in Tehran. But, Christ, wouldn't that be fun.

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  38. dr: The Russians have thousands of nuclear warheads, that is a greater threat to whirled peace and US security, by far, than 40,000 bottle rockets in Beirut.


    yep...

    so you are telling me your a superman and 40,000 "bottle rockets" dont scare ya?

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  39. Regional war is closer at hand...

    America, by stepping down from world leadership, is empowering the bad guys...

    how many, where and when is not fur sure... but it's about to pop

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  40. trish: Bush got the ball rolling on Syria in 2006. Syria in return got a scrub on its nuclear program. It was the previous admin that hatched the plan to pull Syria back our way.

    True, and Bush also overlook all the bodies of dead american gi's directly caused by Syria's direction & support.

    America pulled it's Ambassador after Syria murdered Hariri...

    Now Obama has apologized..

    All is well

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  41. All is well

    Sat Jun 27, 10:51:00 AM EDT

    No, What Is, all is not well. All is never well. If it's not one damn thing, it's fifteen others. Were there a parallel universe where this did not hold true, it'd be worth more than a vacation.

    On the other hand, you've been waiting for the other shoe to drop for quite a few years now. The reason it didn't is the reason it still won't.

    S'all I'm saying.

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  42. War?

    No more like Trish's fencing analogy.

    This is an appeasing crowd in charge now. The most they will do is an occasional Waco from time to time.

    Even today, the news is that poppy eradication efforts in Afghanistan have failed and are being abandoned. First Afghanistan, then North America. You watch.

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  43. God, Rufus,
    You and 'Rat are two hardheaded MoFos:

    "If there is a breakthrough in cellulosic ethanol development, that might change the equation.”

    "IF
    NOT there has been."

    E85 Ethanol in Every Car

    Asked about Mr. Chu’s comments, Scott Tobin, a vehicle line director for Ford, said, “E85 is something we know how to do, and the technology for it is well developed. It’s a direction the industry can take, but ethanol presently lacks infrastructure and consumer demand. If there is a breakthrough in cellulosic ethanol development, that might change the equation.”

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  44. The NorKs will launch a missile, it'll fall into the sea.

    "The NorKs will launch a missile, it'll fall into the sea."
    ---
    Easy for you to say, Sand Monkey.

    What if Sonia are doing it in our outrigger canoe in "da sea?"

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  45. Hey, Linear:
    The Computers @ Costco had free upgrades to Windows 7.

    Hope your Dell deal does.
    Does it?

    (I'm thinking of staying w/trouble free Vista until proven stupid for doing so.)

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  46. "Sonia and I,"
    of course.
    Stars of the Universe.

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  47. "Cellulosic ethanol promises larger yields than corn-based ethanol, but processes to produce it in any substantial quantity are still being developed.

    “Corn is not the right crop for biofuels,” Mr. Chu has said. Last month, the Energy Department announced that $786.5 million in stimulus funds would be used to speed advanced biofuels research and demonstration projects."

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  48. "processes to produce it in any substantial quantity are still being developed. "
    ---
    ...but I repeat myself.
    Of Course!

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  49. Cap and Trade will be defeeted.
    Have faith in defeet.

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  50. Doug, Ford is deeply tied up with anti-ethanol money. They know damned well that no small filling station owner will put in e85 if the cars aren't there to run it.

    They just started "branding" their FFVs as "Flexfuel" in the last year. Most people driving flexfuels don't even know they're driving flexfuels.

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  51. - The Climate Bill in Climate Context -

    The bottom line remains, as the International Energy Agency warned in its 2008 World Energy Outlook,
    that 97 percent of projected growth in emissions of carbon dioxide from energy use through 2030 (without aggressive action) will come in developing countries,
    with three-fourths of that growth in China, India and the Middle East.
    ---
    “Last night, those people being asked to vote were given a 1,200-and-some-odd-page document that they have never seen before. This is 'hurry up and do it,' " Donohue said. “Bob Dole used to say to members of the Senate, ‘Let’s all hurry up and vote on this before anybody has a chance to read it.’ ”

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  52. trish: On the other hand, you've been waiting for the other shoe to drop for quite a few years now. The reason it didn't is the reason it still won't.


    Iran is happening and it's about to pop....

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  53. "This is an appeasing crowd in charge now."

    Colombia must be extra special, then, because we're full steam ahead.

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  54. Companies like Verenium, KL Energy, and Iogen are producing Cellulosic in small amounts (1 Million Gallons/Yr) right now. They are all building large "Commercial" size plants.

    Poet is the "Class Act" of the Ethanol industry. They say they can process corn cobs for $2.50 gallon, now; and that they will be able to do it for $2.00/gal when their first large facility opens in 2011.

    This IS a tough time to line up financing for any "unproven" technology.

    For the life of me I can't figure out why you would rather support the Saudis, Iranians, Russians, and Venezuelans than you own American Producers.

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  55. Okay, What Is, we'll just agree to disagree.

    Clearly, one of us will be wrong.

    Certainly wouldn't be new territory for me.

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  56. Cause I like rooting for the good guys, Rufus!
    ---
    In a speech in Des Moines, Ia., this week, Mr. Chu said, “I’ve been told it costs about $100 in gaskets and fuel lines to turn a car so that it can go all the way to E85.”
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    Pinhead Chu never even thinks of what it would cost to retrofit those gaskets into the existing fleets.
    ...having never done an honest days LABOR in his life.

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  57. "Colombia must be extra special, then, because we're full steam ahead."
    ---
    Good to hear.

    Pakistan seems more responsive than a year ago, too.

    ...meanwhile, on the domestic front, Jaws awaits.

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  58. Doug, your car has the same gaskets, and fuel lines as the cars in Brazil that run on a 26% Ethanol blend.

    As for E85, if your car won't run on it, it won't have to. No one in the world is saying "make ALL the pumps E85."

    We're just saying, "Make E85, and E85-enabled cars AVAILABLE to us."

    BTW, I'll bet I feel a whole hell of a lot better when I "fill up," than you do (depending, of course, on wheter it's Fri Night, or Sat Mornin.:)

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  59. Doug, that is the future, "Only" if we don't find a substitute for Foreign Oil.

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  60. Hmm...I guess you're not a big fan of Michael Jackson? Not that, I thought you would be, but ya know, I was just sayin'...

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  61. ...Most people driving flexfuels don't even know they're driving flexfuels.

    I sure as hell know. All I have to do is watch my fuel gauge.

    But am told it's because I'm driving faster uphill. Duh. Sorry folks.

    Re Ethanol from cellulose: It will happen, sooner or later. When it does, I'll applaud. Til then the money would be better spent drilling.

    You can quite easily produce cellulose from alcohol. I know because I did it one time starting with a glass of stale beer and isolating Acetobacter in pure culture, back in the 70s. Sounded like a fun project to get through a microbiology drill. Merck Manual, the Betty Crocker of chemistry. Guard your beer or they'll confiscate it to make diapers.

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  62. ...Guard your beer or they'll confiscate it to make diapers.

    My second entry in Trish's Stupid Analogy contest.

    C'mon folks. Trish. does.not.want.to.award.me a second first prize. It's up to y'all.

    Hint: It should be quite easy. Just scan the comments threads at the bar.

    "Decision of the judge is final."

    ------

    Where in the hell is bob?

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  63. The most "noticeable" thing to ME is the Price at the Pump.

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  64. So, Linear:
    Is Dell including a free upgrade to Win 7?

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