The apologists for Islam rightly state that all Muslims are not terrorists, but neither can they deny the indisputable link between the institution of the mosque, the cleric and the radicalized convert or native born Islamic radical. Time after time, carnage after carnage, atrocity on top of atrocity, it is Muslims who are the instigators, perpetrators and just as likely the victims. Islam has not been hi-jacked by anyone, least not some radical faction. It has a corruption so deep in its DNA that no cosmetic surgery can change it. The avoidance of this painful and disturbing truth in the West has become comical in a macabre sense. Islamic gangs terrorize French cities and he BBC and French news reports describe them as "youths". They could be no less accurate if they called them biped mammals. Euphemisms are not going to make the obvious link between the mosque, the imam and the faithful go away. In time, every European country with a significant Islamic population will have to remove the veil of euphemism and face the consequences of this unholy trinity.The conversation is beginning in Holland:
Did imam's sermon incite Van Gogh murder?
by Barry Thorne and Claire Cavanagh
31-10-2006
Mohammed Bouyeri, the man who murdered Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh almost exactly two years ago is serving a life prison sentence, but now questions are being asked about whether the sermon of a Muslim cleric played a role in the crime.
During the ongoing trial of another Dutch terrorism suspect, Samir Azzouz, it's emerged that Imam Fawaz of the as-Sunnah mosque in The Hague gave a sermon condemning Theo van Gogh just a few weeks before his murder. A recording of the sermon exists and in it the imam is heard uttering a curse against the Dutch director for his film Submission, which is critical of Islam. The film had been shown on television shortly before the sermon.
Criminal bastard
In the recording of the sermon, Imam Fawaz calls Theo van Gogh a 'criminal bastard' and beseeches Allah to visit an incurable disease upon the filmmaker. He also condemns former Dutch MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali who was involved in writing the script for Submission. The imam asks Allah to make Ms Hirsi Ali go blind and give her cancer of the tongue and brain.
Despite the claims in the recording, Ruud Peters, a professor of Islamic Law doesn't believe the imam's words are incitement to commit murder:
"I have a couple of arguments for that - the most important is that he [Imam Fawaz] says, 'the people who have insulted the Prophet Muhammad should die through the hands of God' - he was very specific in that… he says, 'leave it to God'."
Radio Netherlands
Listen here at bottom of page
You can lead a country to democracy but you can't make it practice it.
ReplyDeleteMost of the debate we hear and read regarding Islam,terrorism,Iraq, and the ME in general is now for entertainment.
"Iacta alea est", the die is cast.
We have no reason to believe that they will relent in their efforts to subjugate unbelievers, so now we will fight them here, on our soil.
It will change this country forever, but it is the price you pay for having a "no victory" unconditional surrender dominateing victory punctuated by mass killing of the enemy. So be it.
Futility noun: uselessness as a consequence of having no practical result.
ReplyDeleteThe politics of our country have become so toxic, as agreed to by most serious political writers, that it has made the use of our military futile.
Our political class, mostly the Democrats, will find a way to undermine any US military campaign.
They have been practicing this, in it's latest manifestation, since LBJ decided not to run and the hard core socialists in the Democratic Party took over the leadership. Then they introduced Orwellian doublespeak and a new twist, PC.
The Republicans at the time were still of the country club variety, and in the minority and didn't catch onto the new rules for about a decade.
But make no mistake. At this time in our history there is no "loyal opposition" from the Democrats, it's warfare against capitalism using socialist rhetoric and class warfare.
It makes any projection of power via the military an exersize in futility. The toxic composition of the Democrats perforce the animadversion of their anti-American rhetoric and action and until purged will continue to constitute a clear and present danger to this country.
Kerry on Imus is so lacking in grace, he cannot make the apology. As Doug said, he is the gift that keeps on giving. He is incapable of keeping his big mouth shut.
ReplyDeleteKerry,much like AlGore, and Dukakis is proving a worthy 11th hour Barney Fife with the one bullet...usually fire into their own foot, neatly lodged in their mouths.
ReplyDeleteRepeat after me
ReplyDeleteReligion of Peace!
Religion of Peace!
Islam is the Religion of Peace!
George W Bush believes Islam is the Religion of Peace.
Hijacked by a Radical Minority
George W Bush believes Islam is the Religion of Peace.
Hijacked by a Radical Minority
That is the Policy of the USA
USA, USA, USA!
Religion of Peace, in Darfur, Somolia, Palistine, Lebanon, Paris, Madrid, London and Baghdad
Believe Mr Bush, he's the President and deservs our total support.
Repeat as needed,
Islam is the Religion of Peace.
Vote Republican
Vote Religion of Peace
Vote Religion of Peace
Vote Republican
Mr Kerry is staying home now, no more campaigning for him this week.
"... Our greatest setback in Iraq may be that country's undoing: It has proven impossible to develop an honest, nonpartisan police establishment anywhere in the country's Arab provinces. The police aren't feared by criminals, but by law-abiding citizens.
ReplyDeleteThe secret police are back, in the form of death squads. And the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki looks perfectly happy with the situation.
American advisers risk their lives in the struggle to build Iraqi police units committed to doing their duty. We've equipped them, trained them and led from the front.
In gratitude, Iraq's police have ambushed our troops, fielded death squads less restrained than those under Saddam, stolen everything they could steal in preparation for a future civil war - and, apparently, funneled U.S.-provided arms to militias, insurgents and terrorists.
...
Casting ballots alone doesn't make a democracy. The government has to function. And to protect all of its citizens. ..."
Ralph Peters and IRAQ'S NEW
SECRET POLICE
We'll, DR thanks goodness some of us know that it isn't the religion of peace.
ReplyDeleteWhat makes me so uneasy is that I'd like for our government to acknowledge that, overtly.
I realize the W probably doesn't believe it himself but he's got a good deal on his plate, so he's trying to "manage" until we are in a more advantageous position.
The problem with that is the same one Patrick Henry outlined.
"They tell us, sir, that we are weak -- unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?"
I say whip 'em , whip 'em now..lets get it done nuclear and all and then we can rebuild...cause they ain't go'in away.
Yep, habu, the Government declares War upon those that attacked US in '01.
ReplyDeleteAttacks upon US prior to 9-11-01 did not qualify for a War response, but after 9-11-01 the Congress gave Mr Bush all the War Powers it could to respond to those that attacked US.
The US is at War, has a self proclaimed War President.
Our most stalwart partisian Republican, rufus, declares often the US is not at War.
Judging by US actions I must agree.
sam says the enemy is who ever is a bomber, but not, I guess the bombers support system. Not the Axis of Evil, not Syria, nor Hezzbollah.
It's all about Iraqi Civil Insurgents and aQ operatives anywhere but Pakistan.
Our most stalwart partisian Republican, rufus, declares often the US is not at War.
ReplyDeleteWe're not at war, we're buffing school hallways in Iraq and giving foreign jihadists fair trials as per their Constitutional right. When you go to war you blow up stuff and kill the enemy.
What is terrorism, asks pseudo-Ash?
ReplyDeleteLet’s begin with something simple, say, the notion of shahid, of the sort known to the West as the suicide-bomber – an instrument of terrorism.
This Muslim is one who joyfully kills himself while simultaneously killing and maiming as many non-combatants as possible to break the morale of an adversary for the purpose of advancing the quest for a universally Islamic world. One might say the shahid has taken the inner struggle of jihad to the next level.
To the shahid must be added the like minded persons that encourage and support the actions of the shahid. Polls done throughout the world show the international Muslim community overwhelmingly supporting the jihad personified by the shahid.
Finally, the modus vivendi of Islam throughout its bloody history is the conversion of the world to Islam, while enslaving and killing the recalcitrant. The jihadi has been singled out by Islam for the highest praise.
The unholy trinity.
ReplyDeleteMcCaskill has found her John Kerry
ReplyDeleteAccording to Westhawk’s typically first rate work, the DoD and State are not taken with my proposal for the initiation of an inspection regime at the Strait of Hormuz. Perhaps after the big boom, they will reconsider.
ReplyDeleteStill not serious about nuclear terrorism
Mr Ford is falling right in line, calling on Mr Kerry to apologize for insulting the troops.
ReplyDeleteHow about Mr Corker?
FOX is running hard with the Kerry Kurfungle, CNN is not nearly devoting the same amount of air time to it.
Other Dems are joining the apologize chant, Mr Kerry is going home to the Ketchup Kastle.
2164th,
ReplyDeleteThe sword cuts both ways. If you accept that what the Imam said is incitement to murder the much of what you say, and other here is also incitement to murder...genocide even.
So, rufus, Syria, Hezbollah, Darfur, Somolia and Warizistan are surrounded?
ReplyDeleteFirewalls are being dismantled in Baghdad, as we speak, at Mr Maliki's direction.
Ms Rice denies that the Palistinian people want to destroy Israel.
In France, it is Paris that is surrounded, not the Mohammedans.
In Afghanistan it is the Brits that are surrounded and besieged, not the Taliban. It is the Taliban on offense, not NATO.
Potential allies we are "developing", who?
Are you speaking of Nation States or NGOs or individuals?
By any matrix we are falling back, not advancing. Civilian casualties are rising, around the World.
In Iraq US enemies have been empowered, in Baghdad, Basra, Mosul and Ramadi. Anbar has been going south for a while, not much noise about our Tribal allies. lately. We would not arm them.
Insurgents are parading through the streets of Ramadi, though.
Kerry is a fool. Imus tried coaching him through an apology, but Kerry was having none of it. He even made a condescending remark that he could not have meant it because you have to be very smart to get into the military. Well, we all know you don't have to be that smart to get into the service, but I do believe that most of those in the military learn one thing and that is be smart enough to know when to shut up, a class Kerry must have skipped.
ReplyDeleteBAGHDAD, Iraq – Al-Qaida-linked gunmen staged military-like parades today in a string of towns west of Baghdad, underlining the growing confidence of Sunni insurgents in a part of Iraq where U.S. and Iraqi forces maintain a heavy counterinsurgency presence.
ReplyDeleteLike the audacious show of force by up to 60 insurgents in the city of Ramadi on Wednesday, the latest parades — including two less than a mile from U.S. military bases — were staged in support of an announcement this week by a militant Sunni Arab group that it had created an Islamic state in six of Iraq's 18 provinces, including the capital, Baghdad.
the latest parades — including two less than a mile from U.S. military bases
ReplyDeleteAsh, do me a big favor. Listen to the Radio Netherlands interview, then contemplate this:
ReplyDeleteYou have three choices in life when it comes to conflict, you can be on the offense, defense, or try and be neutral. Islam went on the offense. The West had welcomed them into our societies. that was a mistake.
Neutrality does not work with them. Since they are on the offense and their Islamic ardor seems to be waxing, a prudent person should plan a counter-offense.
Would you not agree?
In Haditha, where anti-U.S. sentiment runs high since Marines allegedly killed 24 civilians to avenge the death of one of their own last fall, masked gunmen riding in at least 20 sedans and pickup trucks paraded undisturbed in the heart of the town for about 30 minutes.
ReplyDeleteThe town, 140 miles northwest of Baghdad, has not had a police force for much of the past three years, and the U.S. military at a nearby base did not intervene.
The masked gunmen, who shouted "God is great," wore white overalls — a color that indicates their readiness to die. They carried assault rifles, rocket propelled grenades and heavy machine guns.
The gunmen also distributed candy and new clothes to gathered children,
It's no War, rufus, you were right, before you tried to spin away from reality.
But look, the Insurgents are taking up US tactics, they give away candy.
Television footage of Wednesday's parade in Ramadi was widely broadcast, but U.S. military spokesman Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell said Thursday he knew nothing about it.
ReplyDeleteThe Dems cannot "lose" the Senate, rufus.
ReplyDeleteOne cannot lose what one does not have. Is this the pre-mortum spin for Pubs?
They lose four or five seats in the Senate, but still "win"?
By the way, Deuce, Loved the gal in the burkha. Makes me want to get "Bizzy," if you know what I mean.
ReplyDeleteOnly if you like your women to have moldy play-doh legs.
2164th, the problem I have with your formulation of the issue is it is an oversimplification. You portray it as if Islam were a coherent whole in conflict against a coherent west. In fact Islam encompasses a widely varying group of people numbering about 1.2 billion. They do not all think alike, they do not all act alike. Similarily, we in the west are a hugely varying bunch of folks acting in a widely different ways. Note France's foereign policy is different then the US's and the number of folks who actually believe we have two 'civilizations' in open war are a very small number.
ReplyDeleteAsh,
ReplyDeletere: reading comprehension problem
No, Ash, but I do think you have a problem in answering questions succinctly.
My 9;37 AM, on this thread speaks to terrorism, jihad, and shahid. Please, read it.
Having read the post, Ash, do you agree or disagree that the "shihadi" is a terrorist?
Ash,
ReplyDeleteHere at the EB and the BC, others and I have linked to a number of credible polls which show that support for suicide bombing targeting Israeli civilians, for one example, is supported throughout the Muslim world, i.e. by Muslims, i.e. those who have submitted to Islam and its prophet. I have no intention of wasting additional time reinventing a wheel, reposting information that you would not accept in any case. Check out the links for yourself. Stalling does not become you.
If you find a poll showing that in the aggregate, Muslims do not support suicide bombing against Israeli civilians, do share.
Following an earlier statement by you, wherein you attempted to find equivalency between Roman Catholic doctrine and Islamic barbarity, I said:
ReplyDeleteallen said...
Ash,
Look at the picture heading this thread. Now, find and report on something comparable in the West. That's the ticket: Roman Catholic bombladen alter boys. No more pederasty, that's for sure.
8:18 PM, OCTOBER 30, 2006
Another Muslim lad in a parade, wearing a suicide bomb
Ash, have you found a comparable Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, Taoist, or animist picture or report? No? I didn’t think so. Which, I guess is the reason for your not responding.
Ya'll know me by now...burn ,pillage,Arc Light,napalm,torture...whatever it takes for VICTORY..but we're not gonna get a victory so I find myself asking this question?
ReplyDeleteWhy would anyone want to join our Armed Forces?
I think we're at the Pvt.Benjamin military stage ...."like where are the condos and the clubhouse?"
Certainly a young man or woman can't be sold a bill of goods by a recruiter about "how we win 'em".
Shit, Somalia,Beirut,Vietnam,Compton,CA, the Islamist,drug cartels...I mean it's like if you want to kick some butt go get in a fight with the USA.
We've become the last kid picked for the pick-up baseball game and we play right field and bat last.
"Ok kid here's the deal, 25k signing bonus and if you live you get to be on the losing team BUT you still get GI benefits. You'll get three rows of ribbons right out of basic school and another 25K, sign here"
allen wrote:
ReplyDelete"I have linked to a number of credible polls which show that support for suicide bombing targeting Israeli civilians, for one example, is supported throughout the Muslim world,"
While I do not support suicide bombing targetting civilians as a good tactic either morally or pragmatically it is understandable that many would.
You do think that it is necessary at times to engage in total war do you not? Do you believe that dropping the atomic bombs on Japan was a necessary tactic? The fire bombing of Dresdan? Basically the Palestinians have their backs to the wall, they are penned in by a superior military power and they have little to fight back with. In their view their existential existence is at stake, they have no other means to fight back against the Israelis. The targetting of civilians in this case is similar to the targetting of civilians by the west in other conflicts. We, as humans, use all kinds of excuses in an attempt to get our way. It is immoral, as is torture.
My 12:51 post was way too long, sorry.
ReplyDeleteSomeone please tell me why any young person would want to join a losing team like the US Armed Forces (under the guidance and direction of civilian "leadership")
FTA, all the way
ReplyDeleteFun, Travel, Adventure
T, those legs on that girl were fine before I applied my art work, fine, just fine indeed.
ReplyDeleteThat is one hell of a good photo.
ReplyDeleteSharp, isn't it pretty bad having the Iraqi government control our foreign policy?
ReplyDeleteRufus,
ReplyDeleteDid we lose the wars in Afghanistan, and Iraq?
Not yet but we're on standby to say good-bye, get on the fly, and lose both them gems.
We're just waiting for the right moment to make it look good.
But do you doubt that when we leave the Taliban in Afghanistan and the tribes in Iraq won't fall back in command?
I'm not bitch'n about the troops, I'm just aggrevated that we really didn't learn a thing about warfare since about 1945.
There is no substitute for victory and we are not,in any way going to be victorious. We have lost all will to kill unmercifully until unconditional surrender and obeisance is what we see from the enemy.
Although we have the means to obtain those conditions which throughout history have defined VICTORY, we lack the will to use those means.
Like two time Medal of Honor winning, U.S. Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler said, "War is a Racket"
Uh, Deuce, T looks at things a little . . er, . . different than we do; If you know what I mean. ;)
ReplyDeleteNo rufus, I look at things much the same way...that's the whole point of Lebensraumism you know.
Rufus,
ReplyDeleteWe could win through purely military means.
There is no substitute in a shooting "engagement" or whatever euphenism is chosen, for VICTORY and unconditional surrender and obeisance from the enemy.
They came after us. If we kill a billion they will still come. Just not for another millineum.
So let's kill them and teach them to behave.
What good are they to mankind, these people who live in the 7th century and make constant war on all non believers? What good are they?
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ReplyDeleteSharp, that has been one of my (many) criticisms of the Bush administrations approach to Iraq. Basically they have removed from US control the decisions affecting our troops and our foreign policy to the Iraqis - we'll leave as they stand up ect. This is bad chess...
ReplyDeleteRufus,
ReplyDeleteI would take out Tehran and Damascus for starters. Level them. Then turn to the others and say..."do it our way, put your weapons down, or you will be next"
That simple. We did it with great effect in WWII, our last unconditional VICTORY. This enemy is even worse so lets get it done.
What's with the weak knees? They attacked us. Iron bombs do a very nice job and we could sprinkle in a small nuke here and there
VICTORY damn it not eqivocation.
rufus,
ReplyDeletere: do you recommend we kill them all?
It is a false dichotomy to claim all or none. How about doing what should have been done from the outset, kill the "right" ones. A decimated leadership, would give the Muslims pause. And if they wish to behave as stupidly as the Palestinians, repeat as often as necessary.
Ash,
ReplyDeletere: Palestinians
You have made yourself clear.
Rufus,
ReplyDeleteI must say I'm a bit surprised at the tone of your astonishment that taking out an entire city of five million is such a foreign thought to mankind.
You do what you must do to WIN. Patton was right, we should have bombed Moscow at the end of WWII..the world would have been better off...but no, we let them get the bomb and then parity and them superiority. They enslaved all the ancient capitals of Europe for fifty years and killed millions. islam will do the same thing.
Drop everything! Go immediately to Drudge.
ReplyDeleteSinater Carry is skroowed, blooed, and tatood!
ReplyDeleteIn Europe after the war came the Marshall Plan delivered to totally defeated countries, BUT countries that had western thoughts. They had created the Enlightenment and understood modernity.
ReplyDeleteIn the ME modernity isn't even in sight with regard to the Enlightenment and never will be. They will not abandon their ideology so they MUST be militarily defeated. We will not be able to "reason" with Islam.
Turkey is an exception that is beginning to slip back into darkness. that darkness will begin in ernest when they are rejected by Europe for membership.
Conquer we must and conquer we will said Winston..it holds true today.
Rufus,
ReplyDeleteNapoleon and Hitler were beaten by the weather not the Russians.
Rufus,
ReplyDeleteThe world vilifies us already so that's nothing new. I want them to fear us so they don't fuck with us.
We're the most benevolent country that has ever existed yet we are hated by 9/10th's of the world. So let them hate us 10/10th's, just don't screw with us by flying planes into our buildings, issuing fatwas against a free press etc etc.
What's crazy is not teaching them a lesson they won't forget.
Rufus,
ReplyDeleteOne Billion + Muslims would, rightly, see this as a war against Islam
It is.
Rufus,
ReplyDeleteDouble dare ya to maintain your position if the dirty bomb DC and/or Wall Street ..double dare ya.
DR...I can hear the engines of the B-2's spooling up right now...headed for .. Tehran...
ReplyDeleteNo wait, it's the sound of disappointment. My magic 8 ball just gave me a NO when I consulted it.
Oh damn.
Ok, if no one else wants to play "WIPE OUT ISLAM" then I think I'll go workout..later.
ReplyDeleteThis just in from Egypt,
ReplyDeleteNations most hostile to Egypt
1) Israel
2) Denmark
3) UK
4) United States
Nations most friendly to Egypt
1) Saudi Arabia
2) Lebanon
3) Palestinian territories
4) Sudan
5) Syria
Link
Since 1975, Egypt has received $50 Billion in US aid. Dogs are unclean in Egypt. That is strange, since people generally choose pets similar to themselves.
Gentleman the next post is up. Tonight it is all Kerry all the time.
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