MORE NATO INSANITY
NATO allies plan to send patrol aircraft and missiles to strengthen Ankara's air defenses on its border with Syria, officials said on Tuesday, following Turkey's shooting-down of a Russian bomber.
As NATO countries seek to reassure Ankara over the fallout of Russia's incursions into its air space, a decision by Germany and the United States to remove their Patriot missile batteries from Turkey left other allies to fill the gap.
While the German and US steps were announced weeks ago, Russia's surprise intervention in Syria's civil war in September has galvanized NATO countries to offer additional help to Turkey's air force.
Spain is now the only NATO nation with Patriots in Turkey.
"We must make full use of the capabilities we have to counter threats on NATO's southern flank," Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius told Reuters in Brussels during meetings with other NATO foreign ministers, as offers of ships and aircraft began to trickle in from allies.
"We must support our ally Turkey," he said.
Diplomats said measures are likely to include more ships from NATO members in the eastern Mediterranean, more NATO planes based in the Turkish base at İncirlik and more missile defense batteries in addition to that of Spain.
Foreign ministers said in a statement that the situation on Turkey's border with Syria and Iraq was "highly unstable" and committed to increase Turkey's air defenses, which they described as "assurance measures".
"We remain determined ... to continue developing additional NATO assurance measures and allies are working to prepare other possible contributions," ministers said.
NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said he expected a decision on a package "within weeks" but sought to portray the reinforcements as separate from Russia's air incursions and called for Russia and Turkey to seek a solution to the tensions.
While the German and US steps were announced weeks ago, Russia's surprise intervention in Syria's civil war in September has galvanized NATO countries to offer additional help to Turkey's air force.
Spain is now the only NATO nation with Patriots in Turkey.
"We must make full use of the capabilities we have to counter threats on NATO's southern flank," Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius told Reuters in Brussels during meetings with other NATO foreign ministers, as offers of ships and aircraft began to trickle in from allies.
"We must support our ally Turkey," he said.
Diplomats said measures are likely to include more ships from NATO members in the eastern Mediterranean, more NATO planes based in the Turkish base at İncirlik and more missile defense batteries in addition to that of Spain.
Foreign ministers said in a statement that the situation on Turkey's border with Syria and Iraq was "highly unstable" and committed to increase Turkey's air defenses, which they described as "assurance measures".
"We remain determined ... to continue developing additional NATO assurance measures and allies are working to prepare other possible contributions," ministers said.
NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said he expected a decision on a package "within weeks" but sought to portray the reinforcements as separate from Russia's air incursions and called for Russia and Turkey to seek a solution to the tensions.
Interceptor Jets
NATO deployed its Patriot surface-to-air missiles along the border in January 2013 to shoot down any missiles from Syria's conflict fired into Turkish territory. Ankara had appealed to the alliance to maintain the defenses even before the flare-up of tensions with Russia over air space violations.
Turkey shot down a Russian bomber in its air space on Nov. 24, the first known incident of its kind since the Cold War and one that has deeply strained ties between Turkey and Russia.
Moscow, which denies violating Turkish air space, has responded to the incident by announcing it will deploy its advanced S-400 missile defense system that can hit missiles and aircraft up to 400 km (250 miles) away.
Russian news agencies also reported that Su-34 fighter bombers were in action in Syria on Monday for the first time, equipped with air-to-air missiles for self-defense.
While the Turkish air force has shown it is capable of intercepting Russian jets on bombing raids in Syria that stray into Turkish air space, ministers say sending military support to Turkey is also designed to reassure Ankara and calm tensions.
Some, including Germany and the Netherlands, want Turkey and NATO headquarters to discuss the air incursions with Russia.
"There is a necessity to talk military and military between NATO and the Russian Federation to avoid these kinds of incidents, conflicts, because they are very risky," Dutch Foreign Minister Bert Koenders told reporters.
German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier called for NATO envoys to hold a special meeting with Russia. Such meetings were suspended by NATO foreign ministers in April last year after Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimea peninsula.
So far, the United States has moved special fighter jets designed to intercept bombers and reconnaissance aircraft to the Turkish NATO air base İncirlik, while Britain has said it will also send jets to the region once NATO's decision is formalized.
Germany and Denmark are sending ships to the NATO fleet in the eastern Mediterranean. NATO could also send its surveillance planes, called Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS), that can be used to direct air fights too.
Turkey shot down a Russian bomber in its air space on Nov. 24, the first known incident of its kind since the Cold War and one that has deeply strained ties between Turkey and Russia.
Moscow, which denies violating Turkish air space, has responded to the incident by announcing it will deploy its advanced S-400 missile defense system that can hit missiles and aircraft up to 400 km (250 miles) away.
Russian news agencies also reported that Su-34 fighter bombers were in action in Syria on Monday for the first time, equipped with air-to-air missiles for self-defense.
While the Turkish air force has shown it is capable of intercepting Russian jets on bombing raids in Syria that stray into Turkish air space, ministers say sending military support to Turkey is also designed to reassure Ankara and calm tensions.
Some, including Germany and the Netherlands, want Turkey and NATO headquarters to discuss the air incursions with Russia.
"There is a necessity to talk military and military between NATO and the Russian Federation to avoid these kinds of incidents, conflicts, because they are very risky," Dutch Foreign Minister Bert Koenders told reporters.
German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier called for NATO envoys to hold a special meeting with Russia. Such meetings were suspended by NATO foreign ministers in April last year after Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimea peninsula.
So far, the United States has moved special fighter jets designed to intercept bombers and reconnaissance aircraft to the Turkish NATO air base İncirlik, while Britain has said it will also send jets to the region once NATO's decision is formalized.
Germany and Denmark are sending ships to the NATO fleet in the eastern Mediterranean. NATO could also send its surveillance planes, called Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS), that can be used to direct air fights too.
MONTENEGRO?
ReplyDeleteKremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Wednesday that the continuing expansion of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation to the east would lead to retaliatory measures from Russia.
The NATO military alliance on Wednesday invited Montenegro to join its ranks.
Peskov added to journalists that the sanctions that Russia had imposed on Turkey over a downed Russian plane were different from the ones the West had imposed on Russia over the Ukraine crisis, since Russia's sanctions on Turkey were preventative and concerned the threat of terrorism.
(Reporting by Denis Dyomkin; Writing by Alexander Winning; Editing by Christian Lowe)
CARTER IS WRONG::GABBARD IS RIGHT
ReplyDeleteCarter got a hint of just how difficult it may be to sell Congress on such legislation when Representative Tulsi Gabbard (D., Hawaii) suggested that Obama’s decision to place American fighter jets equipped “to target Russian planes” on the border between Turkey and Syria, and his stated opposition to Russian-backed Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad, could lead the U.S. into a nuclear war with Vladimir Putin’s regime.
“Russia’s installation of their anti-aircraft missile-defense system increases that possibility of — whether it’s intentional or even an accidental event — where one side may shoot down the other side’s plane,” Gabbard told Carter. “And that’s really where the potential is for this devastating nuclear war.” Carter characterized the U.S. disagreement with Russia as a diplomatic problem, not a military danger. “We have a different view, a very different view from Russia about what would be constructive for them to do in Syria,” he said. “That’s not the same as the United States and Russia clashing.” —
Joel Gehrke is a political reporter for National Review.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/427839/tulsi-gabbard-obama-risks-nuclear-war-russia
Carter's secret is peanuts.
DeletePeanut butter is my staple these days, doctor says he wishes he had my cholesterol numbers.
CARTER IS RIGHT::TURKEY IS WRONG
ReplyDeleteThe US says Turkey’s operations are not “directed” at Islamic State and the Pentagon would like Ankara “to do more” both in the air and on the ground. It has also failed to control its borders “effectively,” Secretary of Defense Ash Carter told Congress.
“I have been urging, actually, since I’ve come to this job, Turkey to do more,” the US defense chief said.
Carter stressed that Turkey’s geography – “right there next to Iraq and Syria” – makes it an especially useful asset to the US-led mission against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL), but its NATO ally has failed to pull its weight so far.
“Most of their air operations are not directed at ISIL,” Carter said. “They are directed at the PKK, which we understand their concern about — it’s a terrorist organization within their borders — but we would like to see them do more against ISIL.”
The Pentagon wants Turkey to focus primarily on “its own territories,” i.e. go after “tentacles of ISIS” in Turkish territory and better control its borders with Syria, “which it has not done effectively since ISIS arose,” according to Carter’s testimony.
“We would like them to operate more both in the air and on the ground,” the Defense Secretary said.
In mid-November, the US and Turkey “entered an operation” to entirely close off the border of northern Syria, the territory long contested between Kurdish militias and IS fighters. The agreement came not long after Ankara declared its plans to “act militarily” against Islamic State.
Even earlier, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan had stated that he would “do what is necessary,” including using force, to combat the Kurdish “mindset” of autonomy in Syria.
Since beginning its military operations, Turkey has been accused of targeting Kurdish militias that are fighting IS but also aligned with Turkish Kurds against the Turkish government.
The Kurds have also been involved in the fight against IS in Iraq, where in November they launched an offensive to retake Iraq’s northern city of Sinjar, which had been controlled by Islamic State for over a year.
The operation, dubbed Free Sinjar, included the Turkey-based Kurdish Workers’ Party (PKK), among several other factions.
In his Tuesday testimony, Carter also announced the deployment of special forces to Syria to “conduct raids, free hostages, gather intelligence, and capture ISIL leaders.”
“That creates a virtuous cycle of better intelligence, which generates more targets, more raids, and more momentum,” he added.
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ReplyDeleteRussia on Wednesday said it would be forced to react to NATO expansion after the US-led alliance invited Montenegro to become its 29th member.
The invitation to the small Balkan country comes with the West at loggerheads with Moscow over a host of issues, as NATO has responded to the Ukraine crisis with a military upgrade to reassure nervous ex-Soviet states they need not fear a more assertive Russia.
"On all different levels Moscow has always noted that the continuing expansion of NATO, the military infrastructure of NATO, to the east of course cannot but lead to reciprocal actions from the east, that is from the Russian side, in the interests of providing security and supporting the priority of our interests," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told journalists.
Announcing the move at a meeting of NATO foreign ministers in Brussels, alliance chief Jens Stoltenberg insisted the "historic" invitation to Montenegro was no one else's business and "not directed at anyone."
"It is extremely important to underline once again that every nation has the right to decide its own path, its own security arrangements," Stoltenberg said. "No one else has the right to interfere in that decision."
Russian President Vladimir Putin has bitterly complained of what he sees as NATO encroachment and last week, Moscow condemned the expected Montenegro invitation as a "serious blow by the euro-Atlantic bloc."
"This sort of initiative has the real potential to bring about confrontation. It will not promote peace and stability in the Balkans nor in Europe in general," the Russian foreign ministry said.
"It will only further complicate relations between Russia and NATO."
The tiny Balkans country of just over 600,000 people won its independence in 2006 following the bloody break-up of what was Yugoslavia.
It had been part of a federation with Serbia, a long-time Russian ally which Moscow has always regarded to be part of the same Slav family.
Are Trump and Putin Right?
ReplyDeletePatrick J. Buchanan | Tuesday Dec 1, 2015 9:45 AM
Monday, MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” hosted a spirited discussion with Donald Trump on whether he was right in asserting that Muslims in New Jersey celebrated as the towers came down on 9/11.
About Muslim celebrations in Berlin, however, there appears to be no doubt. In my chapter “Eurabia,” in “State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America,” [2006] is this quote from The New York Times Magazine, exactly 10 years ago.
“Parallel to the declarations of ‘unconditional solidarity’ with Americans by the German majority, rallies of another sort were taking place in Neukolln and Kreuzberg. Bottle rockets were set off from building courtyards, a poor man’s fireworks, sporadic, sparse and joyful; two rockets here, three rockets there. Still, altogether, hundreds of rockets were shooting skyward in celebration of the attack, as most Berliners were searching for words to express their horror.”
Neukolln and Kreuzberg are neighborhoods of “gastarbeiters,” Muslim Turkish workers who came to Germany in the millions to work in menial jobs beginning around 1960.
While the flap over what Trump saw persists, a more serious question has arisen: Is Turkish strongman President Recep Erdogan trying to draw the United States in on his side in the war in Syria, and into a confrontation with Vladimir Putin’s Russia?
A little history is in order. Not until 1952 did Turkey join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, all but two of whose original 12 members were on the Atlantic or North Sea.
Yet bringing in Turkey was a ten-strike, putting NATO on the Dardanelles and Bosporus and on the southern coast of the Black Sea, right up to the border of Stalin’s Soviet Union.
But the world that made Turkey such a strategic asset has vanished. Armenia and Georgia are no longer Soviet republics but free nations. The Soviet Empire, Warsaw Pact, and Soviet Union no longer exist, and Balkan nations as well as the Baltic States are members of the EU and NATO.
Turkey is no longer the secular nation-state of Kemal Ataturk, but increasingly hearkens to the Islamic Awakening. In Syria’s civil war, her behavior has not been what one might expect of an ally.
The Turks left the door open for jihadists to join ISIS. They are accused by two Turkish journalists, now facing life in prison, of shipping arms to ISIS. The Turks are charged with permitting ISIS to move oil from the Islamic State into and across Turkey. Russia, which joined the U.S. in bombing the tanker trucks that move the oil, charges Erdogan’s son with being involved in the black market trade with the caliphate.
Instead of battling ISIS, Erdogan is fighting Kurds in Turkey and Iraqi Kurdistan and is threatening to attack Syria’s Kurds if they cross to the west bank of the Euphrates.
Ankara is also becoming dictatorial and repressive.
Erdogan has dismal relations with Egypt and Israel and appears hell-bent on bringing down Bashar Assad in Syria. Yet, Assad’s army remains the sole force standing between ISIS and Damascus.
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DeleteErdogan’s Turkey has its own separate national agenda. While understandable, what is of concern is that Erdogan could escalate his clash with Assad’s regime into a clash with Putin’s Russia, which is backing the Syrian regime — and drag us into his war.
And the longer this war goes on, the greater the likelihood of something like this happening.
For the operative premise of NATO is that an attack against one is an attack against all. What do we do should Erdogan provoke a Russian attack on his aircraft, and then invoke Article V and call on all NATO nations to come to Turkey’s defense against Putin’s Russia in Assad’s Syria?
Turkey’s shoot-down of the Russian Sukhoi Su-24 makes this more than a hypothetical question.
While the Russians have indicated they are not going to make this a casus belli, Putin charges that the U.S. was given advance notice of the flight plan of the Russian plane.
Were we? Did we authorize, know about, or suspect Erdogan was planning to shoot that Russian plane down? This is no small matter. And Americans have a right to know.
Then there is the geostrategic question.
The world of 2015 is nothing like Truman’s world of 1952 or Reagan’s world of 1982. The adversary we confronted then, the Soviet Empire and Soviet Union, has not existed for a quarter century.
Why then does NATO, created to defend Western Europe against that adversary, still exist?
Why are we still committed to fight Russia not only to defend Germany, but Estonia and Erdogan’s Turkey, and if the neocons get their way, to be committed in perpetuity to fight Russia for Georgia, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Moldova, Ukraine, Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk?
If the history of the 20th century teaches anything, it is that war guarantees all too often lead to war.
But in this war against “radical Islamic terrorism,” who is the real ally: Erdogan, who has been aiding and abetting Islamic jihadists in Syria, or Putin, who has been bombing them?
I have seen no denial of Mr Putin's statements from any member of the US government.
DeleteReal folks, is Montenegro valuable enough to US interests?
ReplyDeleteWe ought to have an anybody but Islam NATO.
ReplyDeleteIn - Israel, India, Russia, hell you name it.
Out - Turkey, Albania
No one ever listens to me in international circles, though. Or anywhere else.
No country that is not in Europe, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, can gain admittance to the Alliance ...
DeleteIt's written into the Treaty, that's the Law.
You do want US to be a law abiding nation, do you not?
We'll probably get a "fair" employment report, this friday. I'll be looking at "part-time for economic reasons" (sometimes referred to as involuntary part-time.)
ReplyDeletealso, a very pleasant, though probably unlikely, number, would be something over a 0.2% increase in hourly wages.
DeleteA few Hillary-haters that truly understand polling probably had heart attacks, this morning, on the news that Quinnipiac (a poll that over-polls old farts - and, thus, republicans - by somewhere over 10%) now has Hillary beating all the Republicans, handily.
ReplyDeletePolice officers in Dothan, Alabama, planted drugs and weapons on young black men for years, according to documents recently unveiled by the Alabama Justice Center.
ReplyDeleteAn investigation by the police department's internal affairs unit revealed the egregious police misconduct, but Doug Valeska, the district attorney in Dothan, covered up the results and made sure the investigation was kept quiet.
The officers implicated in the scandal were on a special narcotics team. The investigation revealed that these officers had been planting drugs on minority residents since 1996, but they weren't fired—they were promoted. At the time, the unit was supervised by Steve Parrish and Andy Hughes. Parrish is now the Dothan police chief and Hughes is Alabama's assistant director of Homeland Security.
From the Henry County Report:
Several long term Dothan law enforcement officers, all part of an original group that initiated the investigation, believe the public has a right to know that the Dothan Police Department, and District Attorney Doug Valeska, targeted young black men by planting drugs and weapons on them over a decade.
Most of the young men were prosecuted, many sentenced to prison, and some are still in prison. Many of the officers involved were subsequently promoted and are in leadership positions in law enforcement. […]
The group of officers...shared hundreds of files from the Internal Affairs Division. They reveal a pattern of criminal behavior from within the highest levels of the Dothan Police Department and the district attorney’s office in the 20th Judicial District of Alabama. […]
The officers believe that there are currently nearly a thousand wrongful convictions resulting in felonies from the 20th Judicial District that are tied to planted drugs and weapons[.] [emphasis added]
The police that planted drugs and weapons on black people "reportedly were members of a Neo-confederate organization that the Southern Poverty Law Center labels ‘racial extremists.’" According to Henry County Report, "The group has advocated for blacks to return to Africa, published that the civil rights movement is really a Jewish conspiracy, and that blacks have lower IQ’s. Both Parrish and Hughes held leadership positions in the group[.]"
DeleteWhen this misconduct was discovered, it was the prosecutor's job to hold the officers responsible.
All of these cases involving planted drugs and weapons were subsequently prosecuted by District Attorney, Doug Valeska, despite the written allegations by police officers that the evidence was planted. Never was any such information shared in the discovery process with the defendant’s attorneys.
In other words, Valeska prosecuted minorities for felonies when he knew the evidence had been planted. He didn’t disclose exculpatory evidence. He sent them to jail, where many of them still reside.
Valeska let the corrupt police officers go free.
Are you surprised? I’m not. Horrified, but not surprised. Valeska has long been known as a racist and corrupt district attorney. He’s been charged with various ethics violations and is known for his harsh sentencing. A recent story written by user dmitcha links to "an attorney’s 2012 complaint against Valeska for 'a pattern and practice of racial misconduct[.]'”
The evidence speaks for itself. There are men still in prison for crimes committed by the police. Those police officers got a pay raise for planting drugs and weapons on black people.
We will be following this story as it unfolds. If you have anymore information about this case or other examples of Valeska’s misconduct, please feel free to email me at prosecutortips@gmail.com. You can also reach out anonymously by filling out this form.
Discuss below.
Daily Kos
Crooked cops, they make all policemen dirty ... Guilt by association it's a Republican thing.
DeleteThe world's changing - too slowly, but it's changing.
DeleteIt's a Deuce thing - dirty rotten cops - notice the plural
DeleteIt's also a Jackass thing - Israelis - notice the plural - are the scum of the earth
It's not a Republican thing.
Another damned mass shooting. I have a hunch "this" one might be terrorism.
ReplyDeleteSOUTHWEST ASIA, December 2, 2015 — U.S. and coalition military forces have continued to attack Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant terrorists in Syria and Iraq, Combined Joint Task Force Operation Inherent Resolve officials reported today.
ReplyDeleteOfficials reported details of the latest strikes, noting that assessments of results are based on initial reports.
Strikes in Syria
Attack aircraft conducted two strikes in Syria:
-- Near Ayn Isa, two strikes struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed two ISIL fighting positions.
Strikes in Iraq
Attack, bomber, fighter, remotely piloted aircraft and rocket artillery conducted 15 strikes in Iraq, coordinated with and in support of Iraq’s government:
-- Near Albu Hayat, one strike struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed an ISIL fighting position.
-- Near Ramadi, nine strikes struck three ISIL tactical units and destroyed an ISIL mortar position, 10 ISIL fighting positions, an ISIL tactical vehicle, five ISIL heavy machine guns, two ISIL rocket-propelled grenade positions, an ISIL tunnel, an ISIL anti-tank position, an ISIL vehicle bomb, an ISIL staging location, two ISIL buildings, an ISIL command and control node, cratered an ISIL-used road, and denied ISIL access to terrain.
-- Near Sinjar, one strike struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed an ISIL fighting position, an ISIL heavy machine gun, an ISIL vehicle, and an ISIL fighting position.
-- Near Sultan Abdallah, two strikes struck an ISIL tactical unit and destroyed an ISIL mortar position, an ISIL fighting position, and suppressed an ISIL mortar position.
-- Near Tal Afar, two strikes struck an ISIL tactical unit and an ISIL vehicle bomb facility and destroyed an ISIL vehicle.
Definition of a ‘Strike’
A strike, as defined in the CJTF releases, means one or more kinetic events that occur in roughly the same geographic location to produce a single, sometimes cumulative, effect for that location.
So, the officials said, having a single aircraft deliver a single weapon against a lone ISIL vehicle is one strike. Multiple aircraft delivering dozens of weapons against a group of buildings, vehicles and weapon systems in a compound, with the cumulative effect of making that facility [or facilities] harder or impossible to use is also considered a single strike, task force officials said.
Accordingly, CJTF-OIR does not report the number or type of aircraft employed in each strike, the number of munitions dropped in each strike, or the number of individual munition impact points against a target.
There must be a pretty good fight going on in Ramadi.
DeleteIs that in San Bernadino County?
DeleteWell, if this don't chill your bones, you're a cooler dude than me.
ReplyDeleteThis looks like 3 guys that WERE NOT there to die, for Allah, or anyone else. This appears to be 3 guys that were there to kill a lot of people, AND GET AWAY
TO DO THE SAME THING, TOMORROW.
This truly is the worst nightmare.
Remember how long it took to find the D.C. nutjob, and the boy?
It was a Developmental Disabilities Center.
ReplyDeleteBut they seem to have targeted a Christmas party that had or little nothing to do with the center.
Some people rented a room there for a Christmas party.
Then again, firm news is skimpy right now.
At least 14 dead and at least 14 wounded.
They did seem to get away, for now.
Something un-Islamic about it all right, but three guys ?
That sounds Islamic. But a Disabilities Center ?
And how did they know about this Christmas party I keep hearing about ?
Doesn't make any sense at all yet.
Christians having a Christmas Party.
ReplyDeleteSay hello to Mr. ISIS.
If you missed him, you will probably get another chance, Tomorrow.
Yes, but how would they know about the Christmas party ? It was a private group of some kind, I'd think.
DeleteI listened to the reports on the way home. Again and again, something about a Christmas party.
Disgruntled employees ?
Nah, not with three of them.
Have to wait and see.....
County Employees. Public Record, I'd guess.
ReplyDeleteI'll be damned; it looks like they've got'em.
ReplyDeleteSan Burnadago Number 3:
DeleteThe County- the story of America's deadliest police - US news - The Guardian
Some weird-ass mofo called his wife just prior to getting shot, and said:
"I hate your guts, C...!"
Really ? Great.
ReplyDeleteI was just going to put up this -
Breaking: Report of up to 20 people shot in San Bernardino; Update: Three shooters? Update: Up to 14 dead
posted at 2:37 pm on December 2, 2015 by Allahpundit
Update: Ace is touting this unconfirmed report at the San Diego Union-Tribune:
Riverside police dispatchers have broadcast a general advisory that the suspects involved in the shootings in San Bernardino may have fled in a black GMC Yukon, heading northbound on Waterman Avenue, roughly 40 minutes ago.
The broadcast indicated there were unconfirmed reports the suspects were male and of Middle Eastern origin, “armed with AK-47s and wearing body armor.”
An earlier report quoted above claimed that the suspects were white. Stay tuned.
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Breaking: Report of up to 20 people shot in San Bernardino; Update: Three shooters? Update: Up to 14 dead
The broadcast indicated there were unconfirmed reports the suspects were male and of Middle Eastern origin, “armed with AK-47s and wearing body armor.”
An earlier report suggested the assailants were white.
Update: A reader passes along a tip from a police friend that the car they’re looking for is a black SUV with Utah plates. We’ll see.
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/02/breaking-report-of-up-to-20-people-shot-in-san-bernardino/
Mormons !
Mormons aren't really Christians, thus the Christmas Party Massacre.
DeleteIs Desert Rat a Dago?
Delete
DeleteThe Celestial Underwear folk trying to spread their religion through violence again.
(actually, I like the Mormons a lot)
DougWed Dec 02, 06:42:00 PM EST
DeleteIs Desert Rat a Dago?
:):):)
Two in custody, and one deader'n Kelsey's nuts.
ReplyDeletePlease please tell us who they are, what they represent...........
ReplyDeleteI can't get Fox on my computer any longer...
I'm starting to think Rufus has a hotline to the CIA, FBI, etc.
DeleteHave you noticed he never reveals his sources?
Who's Kelsey?
DeleteAt 3:35 p.m., Mundel listened to scanner traffic and reported that “all suspects” were accounted for; either dead or in custody.
DeleteAn officer was reported down but apparently that officer only suffered a graze wound, according to reports from the scene.
That's just what I wanted to know.
DeleteAnd why are his nuts dead ?
Yes, I have.
ReplyDeleteI used to think it was because he didn't have any sources, being old gossipy geezer with nothing much to do, and wanting to feel important.
Now, I'm not so certain.
Sometimes he turns out to be right nearly as often as he is wrong.
This must imply a sourcing, or a sorcerer-ing
His info has some type of wizard like quality to it.....
Who's Kelsey?
DeleteSorry.
DeleteDon't some folks say "Dead Nuts On" ?
...meaning right on thoney?
"the money"
DeleteBoth the shooting incident and Kelsey's dead nuts have me confused.
DeleteI'm heading to Drudge, or Headline News.
Police Got their Army Surplus Armored Humvees and Such.
ReplyDeleteSeems like an SUV should be able to outrun those.
Rufus will say you can't outrun a bullet.
TODAY IS AIDS DAY!
Sorry again: Head for the LA TIMES:
Deletehttp://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-up-to-20-shot-in-san-bernardino-active-shooter-sought-20151202-story.html
3:52 p.m.: One reporter says that all the suspects are “dead or in custody.” But police scanners are humming with reports of suspects seen at the local Rite-Aid, the Wells Fargo parking lot, and in other locations, some apparently wearing masks. Police want people to stay in their homes.
ReplyDeleteCrystal Cruz is on scene:
ReplyDeletehttp://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/multiple-victims-reported-shot-in-san-bernardino/
4:45 p.m.: Rick Serrano of the Los Angeles Times reports that federal officials believe the shooting is a kind of workplace dispute.
ReplyDeleteFederal officials also regarded the Fort Hood terror attack as workplace violence.
Maybe those three weren't invited to the Christmas Party.
DeleteBritish parliament votes to bomb Islamic State in Syria 1 / 14
ReplyDeleteReuters
Elizabeth Piper and Kylie MacLellan
LONDON, Dec 2 (Reuters) - Britain's parliament voted on Wednesday to launch bombing raids against Islamic State in Syria, supporting Prime Minister David Cameron's case that the country needs to help destroy militants who are "plotting to kill us".
After more than 10 hours of tense debate, lawmakers voted in favor of air strikes, by 397 to 223. British Tornado GR4 bombers could leave an air base in Cyprus within hours to launch the country's latest military action in the Middle East....
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/british-parliament-votes-to-bomb-islamic-state-in-syria/ar-AAfXhdI?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=SK2HDHP
Cameron got lots of votes. Last I heard it was supposed to be close.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/british-parliament-votes-to-bomb-islamic-state-in-syria/ar-AAfXhdI?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=SK2HDHP
Drudge must be running late....still the same earlier stories...
It looks like Rufus's super-sekrit CIA sources were full of shit. :)
ReplyDeleteThe police seem to be looking for "a survivor, still on the run."
:) or, not.
That's why I prefer them Muslim Suicide Bombers.
DeleteNo messy car chases, and such.
Who's Kelsey?
"Deader'n Kelsey's nuts"
DeleteJust an old joke. :)
"The center has provided services to more than 30,200 people with developmental disabilities and their families for at least 40 years. The nonprofit organization serves children, adults and seniors."
ReplyDeleteThose bastards attacked the Tards!
What Turds !
DeleteMy wife spent years working with disability kids.......
4:43 p.m.: Via AFP:
ReplyDeleteSan Bernardino (United States) (AFP) – “Suspects are down” in the hunt for as many as three gunmen who opened fire at a center for the disabled in California on Wednesday, killing at least 14 people, police said.
San Bernardino police chief Jarrod Burguan tweeted: “Suspects are down, one officer wounded. Details still unfolding.” He warned residents living near the scene of the police confrontation with the suspects to stay in their homes.
Update: What on earth can this mean?
ReplyDeleteAccording to a federal law enforcement official, authorities believe that one man angrily left the event that county employees were holding Wednesday morning at the Inland Regional Center.
The man, they believe, returned with “one or two” others and opened fire.
The “event” was a banquet being hosted by the San Bernardino County Public Health Department. One of the suspects was at the banquet, left, and came back with one or two accomplices all decked out at a moment’s notice for a professional attack? Huh?
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/02/breaking-report-of-up-to-20-people-shot-in-san-bernardino/
Workplace violence !
Maybe a muslim got pissed off at the Party, took off mad as hell, got a couple jihadi friends, and came back shot them all up ?
They had bunches and bunches and bunches of equipment.....sounds like jihadis in waiting to me.....
DeleteThe “event” was a banquet being hosted by the San Bernardino County Public Health Department. One of the suspects was at the banquet, left, and came back with one or two accomplices all decked out at a moment’s notice for a professional attack? Huh?
DeleteUpdate: This would explain one of the suspects being at the banquet before the shooting started.
Ca shooting: Feds also theorize that one gunman was at the event earlier in the day to make sure a specific target was there, then returned
— Rick Serrano (@RickSerranoLAT) December 3, 2015
In that case, though, why shoot up the place? Why not focus on the one target? They were obviously after several people, not just one.
Maybe they're just not right in the head.
Delete4:55 p.m.: CNN reports that a home in Redlands, CA is being searched and that one of the suspects apparently lives there. The reports of pipe bombs have been confirmed. The suspects apparently threw them from the SUV to distract police during the chase.
ReplyDeleteCardboard boxes and mattresses distract me.
DeleteI've yet to encounter a pipe bomb, so I wouldn't know.
"What Turds !
ReplyDeleteMy wife spent years working with disability kids......."
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How fortunate, she's trained and experienced to deal with you.
My new daughter in law's a nurse.
Don't know how they do it. I'd rather dig ditches.
(by hand, I'm still living in Kelsey's days.)
Did Rufus tell you the joke?
We should all have a message to send home with one button on our smartphones.
ReplyDelete(Doh! has already been taken by me, sorry.)
...this stuff is getting to be humdrum.
5:15 p.m.: CNN reports that the conference center at the Inland Regional Center, which is where the shooting took place, had been rented by San Bernadino County personnel for the purpose of holding an annual holiday party.
ReplyDeleteWe should send these guys to combat ISIL:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.trbimg.com/img-565f92ef/turbine/la-me-san-bernardino-shooting-pictures-20151202/1000/1000x563
...they got 32 action shots at the LA Times.
ReplyDelete...a body made it across four lanes of traffic:
ReplyDeleteExplain that.
Probly Kelsey or his nuts.
What if all these madmen are being driven by a hatred of the obesity epidemic in America?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.trbimg.com/img-565f7a28/turbine/la-me-san-bernardino-shooting-pictures-2015120-025/700/700x394
DeleteThis country is so over:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.trbimg.com/img-565f764b/turbine/la-me-shooting-mkb-1-la0032688585-20151202/700/700x394
"Gov. Brown On San Bernardino Mass Shooting: ‘California Will Spare No Effort to bring Global Warming To Justice’"
ReplyDelete"At a 5:35 p.m. news conference, officials said two suspects — one male and one female — were dead and another suspect was in custody."
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Glad they didn't kill em all.
I woulda died of curiosity.
...course we'll never really know unless Obama and that rat-faced guy blame the police.
Hillary Clinton @HillaryClinton 6h6 hours ago
ReplyDeleteI refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H
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I refuse also, glad we agree.
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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
California shooting looks very bad. Good luck to law enforcement and God bless. This is when our police are so appreciated!
How'd we survive before Tweeter?
ReplyDelete6:15 p.m.: NBC News investigative reporter Tom Winter reports that law enforcement sources indicate one suspect may be a man named Sayeed Farook.
ReplyDeleteI knew it was the Mormons.
Delete6:32 p.m.: NBC goes further and states that a second suspect could be Farook’s brother:
ReplyDeleteProbly Polygamists in Crime.
DeleteAnother excuse for Obama to badmouth white privilege.
Delete6:43 p.m.: The Daily Beast reports that a police warrant singled out an address belonging to Syed Farook. The article shares a purported Facebook photo of Farook:
ReplyDeleteSo Hillary says that stuff in Ramadi is "Gun Violence"
ReplyDeleteHillary Clinton @HillaryClinton
I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H
7:32 p.m.: An unconfirmed account from a man claiming to be Farook’s father describes him as a “very religious” Muslim.
ReplyDelete“I haven’t heard anything. He worked in a county office,” Farook’s dad told The News. “He’s married and has a kid. We’re estranged because my wife got the divorce, and they are together. She doesn’t want to see me.”
Farook said he hasn’t seen his son in some time.
“He was very religious. He would go to work, come back, go to pray, come back. He’s Muslim.”
Robert Lewis Dear was a committed christian. This asshole is a very religious muslim.
ReplyDeleteFucking religion is going to be the death of us all.
Who's Dear?
Delete....and what about that Kelsey joke?
Bob's been making threats of violence about being left out.
Mr. Dear shot up the abortion clinic just recently.
DeleteI still don't know who Kelsey is. My be some nom de guerra, like Quirk.
May
DeleteQuirk's one of the good guys, though. Totally unique nom de guerra.
DeleteAlways fighting on the side of Justice, Liberty, Women's Rights, Equal Rights and so on....
He has even advocated giving the vote to our pets...
Mr Dear wasn't a committed Christian.
DeleteHe was a loner, living in a shack, with no electricity.
He was nuts.
He should have been committed.
I've got electricity, so I guess I'm safe.
Delete7:41 p.m.: Raheem Kassam:
ReplyDeletePolice say they don’t know whether to expect a controlled explosion. There is a bag in the street. The bomb robot was near the bag but backed away. Police then asked reporters to move back another block.
They got a chickenshit robot?
DeleteI thought Raheem Kassam was in the NBA.
DeleteHe got traded to the Raqqa Muzz.
DeleteAs my daughter and I were discussing, every time a robot succeeds in blowing a bomb, you got to build a new robot.
DeleteBomb robots are all suicide bombers.
It can get tough, being a bot.
DeleteAh !
ReplyDeleteSyed Farook
HA !
muzzies NOT Mormons
I KNEW IT !!
I done fell sound sleep....
ReplyDelete14 DEAD; 17 INJURED...
Dressed in ski masks and military gear...
KNBC-TV LIVE...
KCAL-TV LIVE...
KFI-AM LIVE...
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Shot three times, man calls father and wife to say 'I love you... Don't worry'
Active-shooter drills every month at Inland Regional Center...
ISIS Extremists Celebrate Shootings With America Burning Hashtag...........Drudge
SAN BERNARDINO SLAUGHTER
'TERRORISM'
SYED FAROOK
'DEVOUT MUSLIM' ...........Drudge Headlines
Seems there was a woman involved too, a Muslima Jihada I think they are called.
DeleteMaybe she was the driver of the get-a-way car ?
ReplyDeleteFRANCE SHUTS DOWN 3 MOSQUES IN CRACKDOWN............Drudge
Step in the right direction.
Robert Lewis Dear DID have the magic "Jeebus get out of jail" card. His ex-wife stated that R.L. was convinced that his acceptance of Jesus gave him license to "Do Anything."
ReplyDeleteAnd, he did not shoot up an "abortion clinic." He killed 3 people (including a Police Officer, but not an abortion doctor) at a Planned Parenthood Clinic. 97% of PP's work is Not abortion-related.
His ex-wife stated that R.L. was convinced that his acceptance of Jesus gave him license to "Do Anything."
DeleteThis statement proves the guy was truly nuts.
The "woman" was one of the shooters.
ReplyDeleteThe woman was a shooter.....didn't know that.
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The Donald turns out to have been correct when he stated Muslims were celebrating back east in USA right after the 9/11 attacks -
Quotes of the day
posted at 10:01 pm on December 2, 2015 by Allahpundit
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Tuesday that while there was some celebrating by American Muslims in New York on Sept. 11, 2001, Donald Trump is “exaggerating” when he said thousands of Muslims were cheering the attacks.
“We did have some celebrating, that is true,” Giuliani told CNN’s Alisyn Camerota on CNN’s “New Day.” “We had pockets of celebration some in Queens, some in Brooklyn — 10, 12, 30, 40” people.
Giuliani recounted hearing about a Muslim-owned candy store where some Muslims were cheering the attacks and were beaten up by children from a neighboring housing development…
“I don’t want to say he’s not telling the truth or not. Let him deal with it. Let him explain to people. Let him show the evidence of it,” Giuliani said. “If thousands of people were demonstrating and he saw it on television, then there must be some tape of it somewhere. If it shows up it will corroborate him. If it doesn’t show up it’s going to make him look really bad.”
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DeleteThe DC Media has spent the last two weeks attempting to destroy Donald Trump with lies. Outright lies, and they are doing so in order to protect a 14 year-old cover up. Not only have eyewitnesses and contemporaneous reports proven Donald Trump 100% correct about Muslims celebrating 9/11, a just-uncovered local CBS News (WCBS-TV in New York) report [by Pablo Guzman] completely vindicates Trump’s claim of “thousands and thousands” of Muslims celebrating the fall of the World Trade Center.
“Just a couple of blocks away from that Jersey City apartment the F.B.I. raided yesterday and had evidence removed, there is another apartment building, one that investigators told me, quote, was swarming with suspects — suspects who I’m told were cheering on the roof when they saw the planes slam into the Trade Center. Police were called to the building by neighbors and found eight men celebrating, six of them tenants in the building.”
“Swarms.”…
You have to add up all of the contemporaneous news reports. You are Donald Trump. You are taking in all the news during that awful week. You are told by the media that “swarms” of Muslims in a known terrorist’s neighborhood were seen on rooftops celebrating 9/11…
You hear radio news reports about Muslims celebrations.
MTV runs a news report about Muslim celebrations.
From all of those news reports, it is perfectly reasonable and nothing close to lying to put together a picture of “thousands”.
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Trump claimed that he had seen reports of “thousands” of Muslims celebrating the 9/11 terror attacks on rooftops in Jersey City, New Jersey. On Tuesday, Eric Bolling, co-host of Fox News’ The Five, went further, saying there were media reports that people in Jersey City had been tipped off to watch the attacks…
Guzmán added that investigative sources had told him: “They saw something else: a model of the Trade Center on the roof, along with sets of binoculars–the kind of model used by an architect or engineer for a presentation, an investigator told me. They knew that the planes were going to hit, and they wanted a ringside seat.”…
Bolling was correct that there had been “news reports.” The CBS report is video proof.
None of this is to say that the underlying, substantive claims are true. For instance, here were eight men seen cheering in Jersey City, not thousands. But in Trump’s case–assuming the WCBS report is indeed the one to which he has been referring–it is easy to see how reports of “swarms” of suspects in the building could have been misinterpreted as referring to large crowds on rooftops.
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Trump claimed he had seen television reports covering Muslims celebrating on 9/11. Those contemporaneous reports have now been found.
Dishonest left-wing outlets like MTV, National Journal and Mediaite are desperately spinning the revelation of these contemporaneous reports as proof Trump lied. In a burst of Orwellian memory-holing, MTV even brought back one of the witnesses so she could recant her story 14 year later.
Nevertheless, all that spin cannot change the fact that news reports of American Muslims cheering the fall of the World Trade Center have been found......
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/02/quotes-of-the-day-2267/
ISIS is celebrating today's attack in Santa Barbara.
Christian terrorists / muslim terrorists - I don't see a dime's worth of difference between them.
ReplyDeleteDonald Trump / Whatshisname Erdogan - Again, where's the dif.?
"Religious" murderers / authoritarian assholes / blowhards / tinpot dictators
Fuck'em all; there ain't no difference between'em.
CBS News has a "Videotape?"
DeleteWell hell, why didn't they say so?
Let's See It!!
The asshole meets a gal on the internet. Goes to Saudi Arabia to get her. Brings her home, marries her, has a newborn baby.
ReplyDeleteSo. The next logical thing is "take her on a fucking suicide raid against his co-workers."
Perfectly sensible.
fucking assholes. Everywhere you look - fucking assholes.
The Walking Wannabe Dead Assholes.
DeleteAh, well, fuck'em. They've stolen all of my sleep that they're going to get.
ReplyDeleteExploded Robot:
ReplyDeleteBot Fucked.
Quirk: "Always fighting on the side of Justice, Liberty, Women's Rights, Equal Rights and so on....
ReplyDeleteHe has even advocated giving the vote to our pets..."
Wymin's Suffrage's been such a winner, let's try pets.
...or was that a Weiner?
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ReplyDeleteBlowhard's got my vote, and I'm stickin with him.
ReplyDeleteI'm the guy in focus standing there smiling, not wearing a helmet.
ReplyDeleteThat's just me.
http://media.vocativ.com/photos/2015/12/SanBernardino23672661121.jpg
Medicine's just gotten too damned good:
ReplyDeleteYou get headlines like this:
Shooters in black masks kill 14 and wound 17 others at holiday party
...and it just stays there at 14, unlike the good old days.
How we gonna pay for all the wounded in action?
...and Bob's wife is to old to take care of someone with half a brain.
Delete'too'
Deleteplease don't tell her I said that, Bob.
I just had to prove to Google that I'm not a robot by clicking "I am not a robot."
ReplyDeleteGuess I can handle that.
:)
DeleteI've had to prove I'm not a robot too, at times.
Always makes me feel proud when I get it right !
Frank Zappa
ReplyDelete"San Ber'dino"
She lives in Mojave in a Winnebago
His name is Bobby, he looks like a potato
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You may think they're
Dumb an' lonely
But you're wrong
'Cause their love is strong
Stacked-up hair
An' a cheap little ring
They don't care
'Cause it don't mean a thing
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Frank Zappa