SAN ANTONIO - The unedited version of a video obtained by KSAT 12 News showing the fatal shooting of a man by two Bexar County sheriff deputies will now be made available for online viewing.
The video will include the actual moment the 41-year-old suspect, Gilbert Flores, was shot outside a home in the 24400 block of Walnut Pass. The video also shows what deputies Greg Vasquez and Robert Sanchez did moments after the shooting. Vasquez and Sanchez are on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation.
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On Friday, KSAT 12 News obtained video showing the shooting of Flores by the deputies during a domestic violence call. At that time, we chose not to show the moment he was shot.
The Bexar County Sheriff's Office and District Attorney's office have addressed the incident, and commented on the video, which calls into question whether the shooting was justified. Now that there is an ongoing investigation by both agencies, and following additional discussions within our newsroom, KSAT 12 News has decided to make the entire video available online.
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Waco Biker Massacre: Inconclusive Autopsy Reports, Absurd Court Decisions, Gag Order Maintained
I’ve reported at length before about various reasons to question the official government narrative surrounding the chaotic and violent incident that resulted in nine people shot to death and 18 wounded and 177 arrested outside the Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas, on May 17.
It all happened outside a planned meeting of a mostly political biker club coalition, the Confederation of Clubs and Independents. See here for the most recent, and here the most thorough, of that reporting.
The gag order on people involved in defending the arrested, keeping information from flowing to the public on this controversy, was successfully challenged, then alas reinstated earlier this month.
A set of autopsy reports have been issued about the dead. They are available in full at the Waco Tribune.
The Aging Rebel website, which has featured a lot of interesting reporting and speculation casting doubt on the police story, sums up the somewhat vague basics in this post.
While they do not authoritatively state any judgment on to exactly what type of bullets from what type of gun did the killings—important to discover how many of the deaths and woundings were caused by police themselves as opposed to out of control feuding bikers—the Aging Rebel web site sums up what they don’t tell us:
They do not….disprove the notion that all, or at least most of the dead men were killed by police using M-16s and FN P90 machine guns.Thirteen of sixteen entrance wounds were .25 inches in diameter or smaller.FN P90s fire a round with a diameter of .224409 inches. M-16s fire slightly smaller rounds with diameters of 0.218898 inches. All but one of the victims had wounds fired from a downward trajectory. Six of the nine dead had head or neck wounds. None of the wounds contained gunshot residue which indicates that the shots were fired from at least three feet away and probably five feet or farther away. The absence of residue casts doubt on claims by prosecutors of “Bandidos executing Cossacks, and Cossacks executing Bandidos.” Two of the dead had large wounds consistent with a 12 gauge shotgun slug. Ten of 16 wounds were in the back, indicating that the victims were running away when they died. Seven of the wounds were fired from right to left. Six were fired from left to right.Nine millimeter bullets have a diameter of 0.35433 inches; forty caliber handguns fire a bullet that is four tenths of an inch in diameter and 357 magnums fire rounds that are about .357 inches in diameter…Most of the recovered bullets were either highly deformed or fragmented which indicates they were fired by high velocity …..Most police ammunition in the United States is designed to penetrate a human body to a depth of 12 inches and for that reason that ammunition is usually copper jacketed. Most of the bullets that killed at the Twin Peaks were copper jacketed….
None of the autopsies include ballistics information. Notations by eight pathologists involved in the autopsies describe bullets and bullet fragments in very general and inconsistent terms….
In other Waco news, the “examining trial” hearings have been happening for various of the arrested. Those proceedings are meant to ascertain whether there was sufficient cause for an arrest in the first place such that the arrested’s cases should go to a grand jury for actual indictment. The results have not been encouraging about the judicial system's attitudes toward this whole mess.
A 65-year-old Bandido (one of the two biker gangs most blamed by police for the chaos) chaplain, Lawrence Yager, was found justifiably arrested, mostly because he had (legally owned and carried) guns in his possession and in his truck, although, as the Waco Tribune reported:
Yager’s attorney, Landon Northcutt, of Stephenville, argued after the testimonies of Department of Public Safety Lt. Steven Schwartz and Waco police Detective Sam Key that neither officer could offer evidence that Yager conspired to commit murder, assault or any crime that day.Yager was not wearing his cuts or colors that day and serves as chaplain for the Bandidos, a VFW post and the Texas Association of Vietnam Vets, Northcutt said.“He was wearing a Christian T-shirt. He was there to minister to people who need him. That is what he does. He is retired. That is all he does,” Northcutt told the judge.
The Waco Tribune’s reporting from the examining trial (where standards for keeping the defendant in the system are far lower than probable cause) of married couple William and Morgan English is a good window into the standards that went into many, likely most, of the arrests that day:
Department of Public Safety Lt. Steven Schwartz, a 17-year department veteran, testified at the morning hearing that William and Morgan English wore patches that identified them as members of a group called Distorted….He said he thinks the Englishes were aware of the rift between the Cossacks and Bandidos and they were there that day as a show of support for the Bandidos.But under cross-examination from [the Englishes' lawyer Paul] Looney, Schwartz said neither he nor other DPS investigators were aware that the seven-member Distorted group existed before May 17…Schwartz said they wore patches that said they support the Bandidos, so that tells him they are at least “somewhat involved in criminal activity.”He said he saw nothing that day and has developed no subsequent evidence to show the Englishes are involved in criminal activity…..Schwartz agreed with Looney that the Englishes were cooperative and agreed to talk to investigators after the shooting.“He said they told police that one of their friends brought a gun with him, but they left it locked up in the car.“Other than that, all we have is that they were merely present at a murder. Correct?” Looney asked.“Correct,” Schwartz said.Only two of the 177 bikers who were arrested on engaging in organized criminal activity charges remain jailed in McLennan County.
Texas Lawyer magazine sums up the grand jury process at work in this case, which won’t see any of the arrested having any chance to clear their names until October, five months after the arrest.
Former Reason intern Jeff Winkler, writing in Texas Monthly, reports on various biker theories as to what was really up at Twin Peaks that day, reported from a planned rally in support of the arrested bikers that was shut down by a bomb scare last week.
Winkler's story ends with a touching scene of various bikers visiting the scene of the crime, treating it like an eerie combination of war memorial and live crime investigation, speculating on what sort of bullets from whom could have taken down biker comrades. (Many are quite sure a sniper was on the roof of a nearby restaurant shooting into the crowd.)
And two non-biker patrons on the scene are suing the restaurant for damages, claiming they were emotionally traumatized and received cuts and bruises at the scene, and that Twin Peaks was negligent for allowing the biker meeting to occur there in the first place after receiving warnings from police not to do so.
I talked briefly on the phone today with lawyer Clint Broden, who represents three of the people arrested that day. Besides confirming the history of the gag order being overturned then reimposed, when asked for any opinions about the relevance of, say, the inconclusive autopsy report, this lawyer representing clients in a matter of intense public interest involving possible criminal malfeasance by police could only beg off.
He’s under a gag order.
The Waco Twin Peaks police riot and massacre continues.
ReplyDeleteDems Officially Endorse Anti-Cop BlackLivesMatter Movement
ReplyDeleteAs police are stalked and killed in the streets.
September 2, 2015
Matthew Vadum
The Democratic National Committee has officially endorsed the increasingly violent Black Lives Matter movement whose paranoid radical left-wing members accuse police nationwide of systemic anti-black racism and brutality against black suspects.
Throwing their lot in with black racists and radical Black Power militants who have openly expressed support for the murder of police officers, Democrats embraced a statement that slams the U.S. for allegedly systemic police violence against African-Americans. The statement is not extreme enough for the Black Lives Matter movement whose leaders quickly rejected it. Last month members of the movement unveiled a list of policy proposals they claim will help to bring about "a world where the police don't kill people."
What's especially interesting about the resolution that hundreds of delegates at the DNC meeting in Minneapolis on Friday approved is that it accuses American police of "extrajudicial killings of unarmed African American men, women and children."
In other words, it is now official Democratic Party policy that there are roving death squads manned by police officers who specifically stalk and execute without trial black men, women, and children across America. Police in the United States today, says the DNC, are no better than the Sturmabteilung and Einsatzgruppen of Nazi Germany, the Soviet-era Cheka and NKVD, and the (Democrat-led) Ku Klux Klan, all of which used extrajudicial killings for political repression.
A copy of the draft resolution obtained by BuzzFeed News before the grotesque anti-American pander-fest Friday uses the same kind of inflammatory, dishonest wording Bill Ayers and his Weather Underground comrades used to endorse the Black Power movement and condemn the U.S. during their bombing sprees that wreaked havoc on American society.
The full wording of the resolution as approved by DNC delegates does not appear to have surfaced online but the draft states:.........
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/259982/dems-officially-endorse-anti-cop-blacklivesmatter-matthew-vadum
I'm leaning in favor of pulling the Police out of the entire Philly area, and seeing what happens.....
This is another area where a huge majority of the American People are at odds with the whack jobs in the Democratic Party.
The majority of people everywhere support the Police. They are the force that allows our society to function at all.....
Three Police officers have been assassinated by black criminals across the US in the last couple of days.....
DeleteAgain, Obama the Community Organizer and Saul Alinsky-ite has stirred this pot.
He has been a disaster for the United States.
I am going to bed, totally disgusted.
DeleteGood night.
Watch the video and tell me that is not an execution by the police arm of the state.
DeleteI said Waco Twin Peaks was a police riot and worse as soon as I saw that lying ass police chief news conference. Read the article and tell me where I am wrong.
Bad cops are getting good cops killed.
Another Hillary Email Dump and Fox News Is On It
ReplyDeleteFox Host: I'm here with our crack Fox legal analyst, Len Eaglesmythe. Len, I'm going to hold up each of the seven-thousand State Department emails from Hillary Clinton's server that were just released. Here's the first one: is this the smoking gun that will finally sink her campaign?
Len: Yes…it definitely possibly may be. It's a well-known fact that emails can and have gotten people in big trouble. This is an email, Hillary is a person, therefore it would be irresponsible to rule this out as a smoking gun.
Host: How about this email, email #2? Does this look incriminating?
Len: Excellent question. Look closely and you will see a definite pattern---there's a sender, a receiver, a subject line, a date, and underneath you can see actual words. Words are typically what get people into trouble when we speak of incriminating emails. So I'm afraid this email #2 does not look good for Hillary.
Host: Now I'm holding up email #3. This one has an entire paragraph of words. Smoking gun?
DeleteLen: Definitely absolutely without a doubt it's a possibility. But here's the thing about a possibility that is so damning: a possibility can lead to a probability and a probability can lead to a certainty and a certainty can lead to Leavenworth.
Host: Really? Are we talking a life sentence for Hillary Clinton?
Len: Possibly…if the gun is smoking, and we just don’t know at this point if that's what's coming out of the gun or not, but something definitely might be coming out of a gun. What it is at this point we just cannot say, but even though I'm not saying it, I am here to not say it with absolute conviction as a lawyer wearing a very expensive tie and pinky ring.
Host: Shocking. So shocking that, look, I'm crinkling my nose with disgust. [Crinkle crinkle crinkle.] Let's take a break and we'll be back to hold up and analyze the remaining six thousand nine hundred and ninety seven possible smoking guns and their potential to put Hillary Clinton behind bars for life.
Riveting.
Life in Leavenworth - for sure
Cars sold at a 17.8 Million Units / Year pace, last month.
ReplyDeletepretty strong.
Hillary Clinton’s close confidant called John Boehner an “alcoholic,” “lazy” and a weak leader in a scathing email sent the night of the 2010 midterm election, when a Tea Party wave swept House Republicans into power.
ReplyDelete“He is louche, alcoholic, lazy, and without any commitment to any principle,” Sidney Blumenthal wrote to Clinton, then the secretary of State, in a lengthy “post-midterms” memo.
Blumenthal went on to say that Boehner, who became Speaker shortly after the election, had tried to “buy” some potential GOP opponents in his conference with campaign contributions and plum committee assignments. Blumenthal also said Boehner had a weak grip on his conference and is “despised” by younger, more conservative members.
“His hold is insecure. He is not [Newt] Gingrich, the natural leader of a ‘revolution,’ riding the crest into power. He is careworn and threadbare, banal and hollow, holding nobody's enduring loyalty,” Blumenthal wrote in the Nov. 2, 2010, email. “Boehner is beholden and somewhat scared of his base. He twitches when they make gestures that might undermine his position. His impulse is to hand out money. …
“But Boehner is neither feared nor loved. He's a would-be [Tom] DeLay without the whip. He's the one at the end of the lash.”
“Thx, as always, for your insights,” Clinton wrote back, though she didn’t reference any specific remarks about the future Speaker.
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DeleteKudos to Blumenthal.
It's been years since I have heard anyone use the word 'louche' even though it is so very, very appropriate in today's political environment. He will be awarded extra points if his remark helps promote a resurgence in its use. I pledge to support that resurgence whenever possible.
Regarding the comments themselves, I find it humorous that any Dem, given the history of the Obama presidency from the beginning and Obamacare until the latest issue with the Iran deal, would have the temerity to throw stones at anyone for 'buying' support and votes. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
I realize neither are related to the point of the article but I found them notable.
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ReplyDeleteMikulsky makes 34.
Chickenhawks Lose.
DeleteQuds Force loses.
DeleteNetanyahou loses
Republican Party loses
Saudi Royal Family loses
Rufus Clan Wins!
DeleteAmericans lose.
DeleteSo what makes you sure that nothing will happen between now and the veto override vote?
Iran wins, Assad wins.
DeleteAmerica loses.
War will come.
Hey Rufus, now that you are bragging how you appeased iran, could Iran do anything short of a direct attack on DC that you would advocate the USA to go to war?
DeleteEveryone knows that the Iranian hard-liners will do what they can to discourage the deal. No one cares. Netanyahu has fucked up.
ReplyDeleteAmerica's appeasing of Iran will cause war.
DeleteOil heading South.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Obama. :)
So Iran is now bragging it will ignore UNSC sanctions concerning it's ICBM's
ReplyDeleteRufus cheers
Interesting.
Iran funds, supplies and support Syria in the murder of 360,000 civilians and making 11 million homeless...
DeleteRufus cheers.
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DeleteIran helps the Shiites in Iraq up armor their IED's to kill Americans...
DeleteRufus cheers
Iran holds Americans hostage.
DeleteRufus cheers.
34 US senators say they will support Obama's Cuckholding of America
Deleterufus calls those that oppose "chickenhawks"
7 years ago Iran had less than 700 centrifuges.
DeleteToday Obama compromised and allowed Iran to have 16,000
Iran will take it's own samples and will deny access to IAEA inspectors at additional sites.
DeleteRufus cheers
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Delete7 years ago Iran had less than 700 centrifuges.
Today Obama compromised and allowed Iran to have 16,000
Pure nonsense as has been pointed out before. In the years since Iran had 700 centrifuges, Obama, the US, and our allies implemented the strictest sanctions regime in history against Iran. Now Iran has 19,000 centrifuges proving the futility of sanctions in stopping a country that won't bend to them despite the hardships they impose. Hard to say Obama has 'allowed' Iran to have 16,000 centrifuges.
I would go into all the restrictions the deal puts on the Iranians but they have been written about numerous times before and you seem to either refuse to read or more likely understand them.
Also, under the existing NPT, Iran has the right to enrich uranium. Get used to it. Obama didn't write the rules.
The louche [:o) :o) :o)] opponents of the Iran deal piss and complain but offer no (zip, zilch, nada) real-world alternatives to the Iran deal that would come close to accomplishing what the deal does in meeting its primary goal of preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons at least within the term of the agreement and hopefully beyond.
Obama didn't allow Iran to have anything.
Who has more of an interest in keeping Iran from getting a bomb, the US or Israel? Why didn't you complain that Bibi allowed Iran to have 16,000.
You are funny. Not ha ha funny, but funny.
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My simple point you have made.
DeleteIt's time for war.
No sanctions nor Obama will stop Iran without military action.
This "deal" is a joke, it is non-enforcable nor verifiable.
Iran has the ability to create (if not already) additional sites both inside and outside of iran.
Syria and Iraq come to mind.
Mark my words. War is now going to happen.
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ReplyDeleteI am assuming the
Thank you, Obama. :)
comment is an example of satirical humor. If true, kudos. You are getting better.
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Kerry admits that sanctions will not stop Iran.
ReplyDeleteSo giving up on sanctions makes sense.
Why not help Iran be better funded and supplied?
Kerry and Rufus wins...
People die.
Oil was up this morning, and then headed down immediately following Mikulski's announcement.
ReplyDeleteIn the United States, the perception of truth often means more than truth itself. While the conservative media lies to blame the Black Lives Matter movement for the tragic shooting deaths of police officers, the mainstream media is rushing to cover what appears to be a dramatic increase in gun violence against police officers.
ReplyDeleteExcept, this isn't true. Our country is on pace to have fewer officers shot and killed while on duty this year than last year (and almost any year on record for that matter).
Often, people who are sympathetic to police will quote that 83 police have died in the line of duty in 2015. And that is true, but what they aren't telling you is that 13 of those officers had heart attacks or that 19 died in car accidents or that three died because of 9/11-related illnesses.
A total of 26 police officers have been shot and killed in the line of duty this year. Each of those is tragic and a reflection of the violence in our country. This, though, is not some race-based dramatic uptick in police shooting deaths. Forty-seven officers were shot and killed in 2014 and we are on pace to have fewer than that this year. Comparatively, 662 people have been shot and killed by police in America as of September 1 and a total of 792 people have been killed by police altogether this year.
Not only that, but as the media attempts to blame black activists for these deaths, the truth they aren't telling you is that half of all police who've been shot and killed this year were actually African Americans. That, though, is inconvenient for their narrative.
We should be able to have the emotional maturity and intellectual honesty to discuss these issues without misstating or skewing the facts (or outright lying about them). It only makes matters worse.
Not only that, but far more police are dying by suicide than they are at . . . . .
Daily Kos
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DeleteThe breakdown of the statistics if true (this is the the Daily Kos after all) is a telling point and supports the point of the article. I have had questions about the same thing in watching the news stories and editorials over the past few months.
On the other hand, what does this
Not only that, but as the media attempts to blame black activists for these deaths, the truth they aren't telling you is that half of all police who've been shot and killed this year were actually African Americans. That, though, is inconvenient for their narrative.
prove about anything?
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ReplyDeleteSen. Mikulsky was also one of only 19 senators who voted against the Iraq war resolution. Admittedly, she seems to be able to get her shit together when it comes to the big issues in foreign policy.
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So what targets should be attacked in Iran to ensure they are crippled?
ReplyDeleteIran has vowed to wipe Israel off the map and that this "deal" has no bearing to that. Iran vows it will never recognize the usurper Israel as a legitimate nation.
DeleteThis deal simply funds quest for Israel's demise.
War is the only option to stop Iran's goal
Thanks Obama, Rufus, Quirk and Deuce.
Iran has vowed to wipe the United States off the map too, let's not forget.
ReplyDeleteThey say natural gas has no odor. The smell is an added stink so people will smell it…
DeleteMaybe Israel or Egypt should start filling the Hamas tunnels with natural gas and explode them?
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ReplyDeleteMy simple point you have made.
It's time for war.
No sanctions nor Obama will stop Iran without military action.
Hmmm. Isn't every point you make a simple one? Nothing new here.
Is this your position of the day or will you change it again by tonight? You have been all over the map on this issue.
First, you argued that we should keep the sanctions in place and just go back and renegotiate a better deal. When it was pointed out to you the negotiations on this deal have been going on for not only the few years under Obama but that the process has been going on for a decade; that Iran wasn't about to go back to the bargaining table; that our allies and other members of the P5+1 weren't about to support attempting to renegotiate this deal; that the UN, the EU, NATO and most of the countries of the world favor this deal; and that calling it quits on this deal would damage the US' position and reputation in the world, you still suggested we simply keep the sanctions in place and try to brow beat our allies and other countries including Russia and China into supporting the sanctions regime against Iran. Oh yea, early on there was also the suggestion that we just double-down and increase sanctions to force Iran to renegotiate.
Now, you say we need to attack Iran. Is this it? How long will it remain 'it'?
When I said that war with Iran was the plan all along and that all the other kabuki being spread by Bibi, and the GOP, and you was just cover so as not to admit it, you denied it, said it was crazy. Now you admit it. Was that actually your plan all along or have you 'evolved'. Who the hell knows. You are like a cat chasing a strobe light.
By now, enough people have pointed out the limitations and dangers of attacking the Iranian nuclear program so I won't go into it again: however, when you have to ask
So what targets should be attacked in Iran to ensure they are crippled?
I would think even a military genius like you would realize you might be being a little precipitous in pursuing your plan.
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Which is more dangerous, iran with a bomb or without…
DeleteBetter to start fucking up Iran like no one's business asap.
Start arming the Iranian rebels, give them missiles, rockets and arms…
Help ISIS in Iran get off the ground…
Oh, wait, the CIA (against obama's wishes) is already doing that..
But my plan along was to avoid war.
Now that Iran is proudly boasting it's intentions?
Thing for a plan change.
No more sanctions, give iran destruction.
Time to cripple their infrastructure. Maybe an EMP?
Yep I have evolved Quirk.
My new and improved position?
Death to Iran.
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DeleteWhat an idiotic, louche proposal.
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Four Million fewer white folks voted in the2012 election compared to the one in 2008.
ReplyDeleteHowever, the Republican share of the vote rose from 55% to 59%.
A lot of the whites that voted for Obama in 2008 stayed home in 2012? I guess.
And a LOT of blacks will never vote for an old white hag named hillary, or a progressive named bernie, nor a loud mouth called trump.
DeleteThe black vote just went down the toilet.
Escalating Iran’s rhetoric against Israel, a senior commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps vowed Wednesday that the regime would boost its military capabilities relentlessly until Israel was destroyed.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-official-well-bolster-our-military-until-israel-is-overthrown/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Time to destroy Iran's regime.
The Islamic Revolution will continue enhancing its preparedness until it overthrows Israel and liberates Palestine,” the IRGC’s Tehran province commander, Brigadier General Mohsen Kazzemeini, said in an address in Tehran, the semi-state Fars news agency reported.
DeleteHe also vowed that Iran would maintain its aid to those who fight Israel. “We will continue defending not just our own country, but also all the oppressed people of the world, specially those countries that are standing on the forefront of confrontation with the Zionists,” Kazzemeini said.
Israel should kill this guy 1st "Brigadier General Mohsen Kazzemeini"…
Yep I hope they blow him up...
Yep the Iran deal changes everything…
DeleteSanctions are gone and meaningless…
Military action is the only way…
But not to the exclusion of more devious ways…
DeleteI hope that porn, drugs, crime and all the other western decadence is imported into Iran and rots it from with…
Sorta like the Brits did to the Chinese for 110 years…
LOL
yeah that's the ticket..
OPIUM for Iran…
Turn them into junkies.
Wow I love this these new positions on Iran and the Palestinians.
ReplyDeleteAll I have to do is take their public comments and take out Israel and put in Palestinians or Iran.
From the river to the sea, Israel will be free…
A day without Iran.
The Palestinians must go back to where they came from, A ONE state solution, Jew only should be… (hat tip to the president of the palestinians for telling us that "Palestine" would be Jew free)
Yep time to be honest and clear.
No Justice, No Peace, if the Palestinians want to bomb Israeli pizza shops? Then Israel should bomb them back the same way.
Then when you claim that Israel is a terrorist nation? You'd be right, but there would be no Palestinians left!!!! LOL
Now that's funny….
Apartheid Israel?
Well maybe Israel should start deporting any and all arabs that refuse to sign a public loyalty oath?
Gaza should be emptied and it's people? shipped to europe!
Yeah…
Like it..
Yep deuce has opened my eyes…
ReplyDeleteHe says WHY would IRan NOT be getting a bomb? With enemies like Israel?
So according to his logic, why would Israel not NUKE the major sites in Iran that are part of Iran's nuke program?
Bomb baby bomb
Iran has said, repeatedly, it is increasing it's military strength to destroy Israel.
Israel should listen and destroy Iran 1st.
Video Highlights
ReplyDeleteKerry: We Must Prove to Iran That We Can Be Trusted
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/02/kerry_responds_to_cheneys_criticism_of_iran_deal_we_have_to_prove_we_can_be_trusted.html
Demographic upheaval may be understating it. From 1970 to 2010, the Hispanic population of the United States grew fivefold, from 9.6 million to 50.5 million. From 2000 to 2010, the number of white children under 18 declined by 4.3 million while the number of Hispanic children grew by 4.8 million. In 2013, white children became a minority, 47.7 percent of students ages 3 to 6.
ReplyDeleteNY Times
DeleteIs there any truth to the rumor, widespread across the Internet, that you are Rufus 2 in disguise ?
DeleteI am Rufus, too.
DeleteI am Rufus II, too.
DeleteMultiple personality disorder......confirmed
DeleteAipac loses. The US wins.
ReplyDeleteBig Time.
DeleteWe can't undo all the damage we've done over there, but, at least, we can quit making it worse.
IAPAC wins.
DeleteUS loses.
Western world loses.
Israel loses.
Obama combined with 34 brave US senators decided that our nation’s interest came first. They proved that the US is no longer a hostage to Israel in the Middle East. Those opposed to the deal supported the insane war in Iraq, destabilized Syria and are still not satisfied. They want to add another losing war against Iran. The US has lost trillions and millions have been killed, wounded and made homeless by the disastrous preoccupation with Israel. China gained the most from our wasting of assets in ME wars. US political influence can now mend if Obama can prevent the GOP Likuds Force from getting their bill out of the senate. 7 more brave US first senators can make them happen. US security will improve if it happens. Let Netanyahu take on Iran. Iran is no defenseless Gaza.
ReplyDeleteThat next 7 is going to be a tough reach, though. Cardin and Peters are pretty much considered to be lost causes; that leaves him needing to run the table with the remainder.
DeleteI'm pulling for him, but I'm not betting on him. :)
I guess we should rule out the possibility that there is one honest Republican.
DeleteThat gal from Alaska is a bit of a rebel.
DeleteYou know, the Republican Senator that's been trying for twenty years, or more, to get Mt. McKinley renamed back to Mt. Denali.
:)
Interviews with more than a dozen former FBI, CIA and other Bush administration officials found compelling evidence that the 1996 bombing of a U.S. Air Force barracks in Saudi Arabia was carried out by Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaida—not Iran-supported Saudi Hezbollah, as U.S. officials claim.
ReplyDeleteThe findings are significant, writes independent investigative reporter Gareth Porter, because the attack “remains a key part of the litany supporting a coercive US policy toward Iran.”
Published in 2009, Porter’s findings are again relevant because the man accused of planning the attack—Ahmed Ibrahim Al-Mughassil, a Saudi Shiite oppositionist—is reported to have been captured in Beirut on August 8.
At Truthout, Porter summarized the findings:
The official Khobar Towers investigation led by FBI Director Louis Freeh was precooked to arrive at the outcome that had been politically determined by the White House.
The only evidence of Saudi Shi’a involvement in the bombing was from confessions obtained by torture by Saudi secret police.
The investigation ignored compelling evidence that Osama bin Laden’s al Qaeda - not Iran-supported Saudi Hezbollah” - planned and executed the bombing.
“From the beginning of the investigation,” Porter continues, “the FBI and CIA were determined to focus solely on evidence of Iranian involvement and to exclude leads linking al Qaeda to the blast. FBI and CIA experts on bin Laden who offered to assist in the investigation were rebuffed. Jack Cloonan, a member of the FBI’s I-49 unit, which had investigated previous terrorist actions by bin Laden, recalled that when he offered his unit’s assistance on the probe to the Washington Field Office (WFO), he was told to ‘fuck off.’ ”
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ReplyDeleteSimilarly, CIA Director George Tenet created an encrypted "passline" that allowed only a handful of agency officials to know what was going on in the investigation. One of those excluded was the head of the bin Laden unit at the CIA's Counter-Terrorism Centre, Michael Scheuer. That unit compiled a four-page memo containing all the intelligence it had collected before the Khobar Towers bombing, indicating that al Qaeda was planning an operation in Saudi Arabia involving explosives during 1996. Scheuer told me that Khobar was one of the places that came up in the intelligence. "They were moving explosives from Port Said through Suez Canal to the Red Sea and to Yemen, then infiltrating them across the border with Saudi Arabia," Scheuer told me.
Scheuer recalled how the head of the CIA's Counter-Terrorism Centre, Winston Wiley, came to his office after getting that intelligence memo to convince him that Iran was responsible for the Khobar bombing. Wiley showed him a translated intercept of an internal Iranian communication in which there was a reference to Khobar Towers. "Are you satisfied?" Wiley asked him. Scheuer replied that it was only one piece of information in a much bigger universe of information that pointed in another direction.
Freeh was personally handling the investigation at the FBI, according to a former FBI official involved in it. And he had already made up his mind from the beginning about Iran's responsibility. "There was never, ever a doubt in my mind about who did this," a former senior FBI official, who asked not to be identified, told me. During the course of my earlier investigations on this topic, I invited Freeh to respond to these claims, but he declined to comment.
FBI officials involved in trying to pursue their investigation of the Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia recalled in interviews how Saudi officials deliberately frustrated them at every turn. US intelligence intercepted communications from senior Saudi officials to the governor of Saudia Arabia's Eastern province, ordering local officials there to obstruct the US investigation, according to one former FBI official who insisted on anonymity to discuss the FBI investigation.
Within a few weeks after the bombing, moreover, a glaring contradiction in the Saudi account of what Saudi officials had known about the bombing plot suddenly became evident: A former Clinton administration official recalled in an interview how Freeh had stormed into the White House situation room in July 1996, livid with anger. He had just learned that the Saudis were claiming they had arrested a Saudi Hezbollah activist in March with concealed explosives and had quickly discovered the Shi'a plot to bomb Khobar Towers.
But the Saudis had never said anything to their American counterparts in March or April 1996 about any Shi'a plot to blow up Khobar Towers. "We asked why they didn't tell us about this earlier and didn't get an answer," David Williams, then the assistant special agent in charge of counter-terrorism, told me.
Either the Saudis had deprived the Americans of critical information they had about the security of the Khobar Towers facility or they were lying about obtaining that information - or both.
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/32589-who-bombed-khobar-towers-anatomy-of-a-crooked-terrorism-investigation
DeleteOf paramount importance to the coverup of the Khobar Towers bombing is the profound collaboration between Freeh and Prince Bandar–the point man for the Saudi co-conspirators among the Saudi elite and national security establishment. Bandar is so close to the Bush family, that he has earned the nickname “Bandar Bush.”
ReplyDeleteDetermined to protect members of their elite who supported Al Qaeda, the Saudis deliberately mislead U.S. investigators in the direction of Iranian culpability. [ Part 2 of the series.] Producing “confessions” of Shi’a Saudis, allegedly members of a “Saudi Hezbollah,” directed by Iran. Almost certainly produced under torture, the confessions were discounted by then Attorney General Janet Reno. The confessions were replete with contradictions.
Previously linking a March 29th arrest to a November (1995) attack on a Saudi National Guard facility, the Saudi authorities now claimed that the March explosives bust was connected to the Khobar attack. In fact, the Saudis had secretly detained and tortured a number of Al Qaeda-related suspects after the April attack. One of those was the actual head of Al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia, Yusuf al-Uyari.
The Shi’a suspect publicly produced by the Saudis as a “confessed” member of the alleged Khobar conspiracy was not convincing. [Part 3 of the series.] Afflicted with asthma so severe that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard had rejected him as a recruit, Hani al-Sayegh denied any involvement with the Khobar attack after his transfer to Canadian custody.
Continuing to frustrate the investigation, Freeh attributed lack of progress on Bill Clinton. When Saudi authorities began to drop their curtain of obfuscation over Khobar, it appears that they were fearful of U.S. hostility over the 1998 Al Qaeda attacks in Africa. Then Vice-President Gore met with the Saudis to pressure them to give the U.S. access to an important Al Qaeda financier.
Freeh attributed belated Saudi cooperation to the intercession of former President George H.W. Bush. Collaboration between Freeh, the Saudis and the Bush family is a pattern we will observe later in the series as well. Throughout the 1990’s, the Saudis actively dissembled with regard to complicity of elements of their elite and Bin Laden’s forces.
Freeh’s collaboration with the Saudi coverup continued despite the fact that Bin Laden took credit for the Khobar bombing, as well as the Riyadh bombing committed the previous November (1995). [Part 4 of the series.] Investigators noted that Bin Laden did not take credit for attacks that he had not planned. Despite the fact that U.S. investigators requested access to the perpetrators of the Riyadh attack, access was not granted.
http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-679-freeh-at-last-analysis-of-the-khobar-towers-bombing-love-means-never-having-to-say-youre-saudi-part-2/
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ReplyDeleteThe CIA’s bin Laden unit, which had only been established in early 1996, was also excluded by CIA leadership from that Agency’s work on the bombing.
Two or three days after the Khobar bombing, recalls Dan Coleman, an FBI agent assigned to the unit, the agency “locked down” its own investigation, creating an encrypted “passline” that limited access to information related to Khobar investigation to the handful of people at the CIA who were given that code.
The head of the bin Laden unit at the CIA’s Counter-Terrorism Centre, Michael Scheuer, was not included among that small group.
Nevertheless, Scheuer instructed his staff to put together all the information the station had collected from all sources — human assets, electronic intercepts and open sources – indicating that there would be an al Qaeda operation in Saudi Arabia after the bombing in Riyadh the previous November.
The result was a four-page memo which ticked off the evidence that bin Laden’s al Qaeda organisation had been planning a military operation involving explosives in Saudi in 1996.
“One of the places mentioned in the memo was Khobar,” says Scheuer. “They were moving explosives from Port Said through Suez Canal to the Red Sea and to Yemen, then infiltrating them across the border with Saudi Arabia.”
A few days after receiving the bin Laden unit’s four-page memo, the head of the CIA’s Counter-Terrorism Centre, Winston Wiley, one of the few CIA officials who was privy to information on the investigation, came to Scheuer’s office and closed the door. Wiley opened up a folder which had only one document in it — a translated intercept of an internal Iranian communication in which there was a reference to Khobar Towers. “Are you satisfied?” Wiley asked.
Scheuer replied that it was only one piece of information in a much bigger universe of information that pointed in another direction. “If that’s all there is,” he told Wiley, “I would say it was very interesting and ought to be followed up, but it isn’t definitive.”
But the signal from the CIA leadership was clear: Iran had already been identified as responsible for the Khobar bombing plot, and there was no interest in pursuing the bin Laden angle.
HOW LOUIS FREEH BECAME “DEFENCE LAWYER” FOR SAUDIS ON KHOBAR*
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AN OLDIE BUT A GOODIE ON TRUTH THAT HURTS - MICHAEL SCHEUER:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKd_MwG1ne8
Here are 10 Iraq war supporters now trying to kill our best chance for a just peace with Iran:
ReplyDeleteGeorge W. Bush: The president who invaded Iraq has apparently learned nothing from the experience, arguing in April that Obama negotiating with Iran was “naive.”
Bill Kristol: Kristol, a long-time GOP apparatchik who today is a board member of the anti-deal Emergency Committee for Israel, was one of the biggest proponents of the Iraq war. “We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators,” he said in March 2003. From his perch at The Weekly Standard, Kristol has asked lawmakers to “kill the deal.”
David Frum: Frum was a Bush administration speechwriter who coined the term “Axis of Evil” to describe the governments of Iraq, Iran and North Korea, in order to justify the war push. Today, Frum not only opposes the Iran deal but has suggested that Obama is engaged in antisemitic rhetoric for calling out lobbyists who are trying to sink the agreement.
Lindsey Graham: Graham said war with Iraq was the “only reasonable option”; today he says the deal is like throwing a “can of gasoline” on a fire.
John McCain: Graham's fellow senator McCain said Iraq was “the right war for the right reasons” as he offered full-throated backing to the adventure. McCain mocks Obama's diplomatic effort, saying the Iran agreement is an attempt by the Obama administration to seek “nirvana."
Dick Cheney: Cheney, who represents the warmongering arm of the warmongering Republican Party, was a mastermind of the Iraq war. He has claimed the deal would put us closer to nuclear war than at any time since World War II, and plans to give an address against the agreement next month.
Joe Lieberman: The former Democratic vice presidential candidate who turned against his own party over the Iraq war has stepped up to lead so-called United Against Nuclear Iran, after the last chairman of the group stepped down because he decided to support the deal.
Benjamin Netanyahu: The Prime Minister of Israel was outside the government in 2002, but he was still called to testify, telling lawmakers he had no doubts about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. He is now claiming diplomacy with Iran threatens the entire world.
Eli Lake: Lake was a reporter for UPI, arguing about the threat of fantasy Iraqi WMD. Today, Lake is a one-man propaganda operation at Bloomberg View, claiming that Obama is practicing the “politics of fear” in order to achieve peace, rather than the war Lake supported.
AIPAC: The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the main pro-Israel lobbying group, lobbied on behalf of the Iraq war. Today, it is engaged in a no-holds-barred fight to kill the Iran deal, with the donors it has arrayed into an outside group pledging to spend as much as $40 million.
U of Idaho Football update, fans -
ReplyDeleteVandies to get assed cleaned in season opener tomorrow by Ohio U "at home in the Dome"
I am only reporting final scores this year......
The University of Southern California has lowered itself to play my mighty Vandals this year......if you can believe it, but, yes, it really is true.....
The only possible win I see on the schedule this year is on September 19 "at home in the Dome" against mighty Wofford College.
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There is something noble about the U of Idaho Football program.
DeleteIt doesn't matter how many times we get creamed, we keep coming back for more. We refuse to give it up and go to rodeo as my wife is always urging.....
The current coach, Patrino, made big news here a few days ago by threatening to kick the shit out of some cub reporter from the newspaper, for, as Coach thought, dissing the our Vandies.
Coach apologized, insisting he issued no threat, and the cub reporter refused, wisely enough, to comment further on the matter....
This is Patrino's last year. Our tradition is three years of loses, then a new coach.
Patino's record will be, at the end of this season, 3 wins, 33 loses, if my expectations are met.....