But sharing details of the deal under discussion with The Jerusalem Post on the eve of the deadline, Israel has issued a stark, public warning to its allies with a clear argument: Current proposals guarantee the perpetuation of a crisis, backing Israel into a corner from which military force against Iran provides the only logical exit.
The deal on the table
World powers have presented Iran with an accord that would restrict its nuclear program for ten years and cap its ability to produce fissile material for a weapon during that time to a minimum nine-month period.
Should Tehran agree, the deal may rely on Russia to convert Iran's current uranium stockpile into fuel rods for peaceful use. The proposal would also include an inspection regime that would attempt to follow the program's entire supply chain, from the mining of raw material to the syphoning of that material to various nuclear facilities across Iran.
Israel's leaders believe the best of a worst-case scenario, should that deal be reached, is for inspections to go perfectly and for Iran to choose to abide by the deal for the entire decade-long period.
But "our intelligence agencies are not perfect," an Israeli official said. "We did not know for years about Natanz and Qom. And inspection regimes are certainly not perfect. They weren't in the case in North Korea, and it isn't the case now – Iran's been giving the IAEA the run around for years about its past activities."
"What's going to happen with that?" the official continued. "Are they going to sweep that under the rug if there's a deal?"
On Saturday afternoon, reports from Vienna suggested the P5+1 – the US, United Kingdom, France, Russia, China and Germany – are willing to stop short of demanding full disclosure of any secret weapon work by Tehran.
Speaking to the Post, a senior US official rejected concern over limited surveillance capabilities, during or after a deal.
"If we can conclude a comprehensive agreement, we will have significantly more ability to detect covert facilities – even after its duration is over – than we do today," the senior US official said. "After the duration of the agreement, the most intrusive inspections will continue: the Additional Protocol – which encompasses very intrusive transparency, and which Iran has already said it will implement – will continue."
But compounding Israel's fears, the proposal Jerusalem has seen shows that mass dismantlement of Iran's nuclear infrastructure – including the destruction, and not the mere warehousing, of its parts – is no longer on the table in Vienna.
"Iran's not being asked to dismantle the nuclear infrastructure," the Israeli official said, having seen the proposal before the weekend. "Right now what they're talking about is something very different. They're talking about Ayatollah Khamenei allowing the P5+1 to save face."
Officials in the Netanyahu government are satisfied that their ideas and concerns have been given a fair hearing by their American counterparts. They praise the US for granting Israel unprecedented visibility into the process.
But while those discussions may have affected the talks at the margins, large gaps – on whether to grant Iran the right to enrich uranium, or allow it to keep much of its infrastructure – have remained largely unaddressed.
"It's like the chemical weapons deal in Syria," the official said. "They didn't just say: Here, let's get rid of the stockpile and the weapons, but we will leave all the plants and assembly lines."
'Sunset clause'
Yet, more than any single enforcement standard or cap included in the deal, Israel believes the Achilles' heel of the proposed agreement is its definitive end date – the sunset clause.
"You've not dismantled the infrastructure, you've basically tried to put limits that you think are going to be monitored by inspectors and intelligence," said the official, "and then after this period of time, Iran is basically free to do whatever it wants."
The Obama administration also rejects this claim. By e-mail, the senior US administration official said that, "'following successful implementation of the final step of the comprehensive solution for its duration, the Iranian nuclear program will be treated in the same manner as that of any non-nuclear weapon state party to the NPT – with an emphasis on non-nuclear weapon."
"That has in no way changed," the American official continued, quoting the interim Joint Plan of Action reached last year.
But the treatment of Iran as any other signatory of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty –189 countries are members, including Iran – would allow Tehran to ultimately acquire "an industrial-sized capability," the Israelis say. "The breakout times [to a nuclear weapon] will be effectively zero."
Israel and world powers seek to maximize the amount of time they would have to identify non-compliance from a nuclear deal, should Iran choose to defy its tenets and build a bomb.
But in the deal under discussion in Vienna, Iran would be able to comply with international standards for a decade and, from Israel's perspective, then walk, not sneak, into the nuclear club.
"You've not only created a deal that leaves Iran as a threshold nuclear power today, because they have the capability to break out quickly if they wanted to," the Israeli official contended. "But you've also legitimized Iran as a military nuclear power in the future."
From the moment this deal is clinched, Israel fears it will guarantee Iran as a military nuclear power. There will be no off ramp, because Iran's reentry into the international community will be fixed, a fait accompli, by the very powers trying to contain it.
"The statement that says we've prevented them from having a nuclear weapon is not a true statement," the Israeli official continued. "What you've said is, you're going to put restrictions on Iran for a given number of years, after which there will be no restrictions and no sanctions. That's the deal that's on the table."
Revisiting the use of force
Without an exit ramp, Israel insists its hands will not be tied by an agreement reached this week, this month or next, should it contain a clause that ultimately normalizes Iran's home-grown enrichment program.
On the surface, its leadership dismisses fears that Israel will be punished or delegitimized if it disrupts an historic, international deal on the nuclear program with unilateral military action against its infrastructure.
By framing the deal as fundamentally flawed, regardless of its enforcement, Israel is telling the world that it will not wait to see whether inspectors do their jobs as ordered.
"Ten, fifteen years in the life of a politician is a long time," the Israeli said, in a vague swipe against the political directors now scrambling in Vienna. "In the life of a nation, it's nothing."
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has threatened the use of force against Iran several times since 2009, even seeking authorization from his cabinet in 2011. Iran's program has since grown in size and scope.
According to his aides, the prime minister's preference is not war, but the continuation of a tight sanctions regime on Iran's economy coupled with a credible threat of military force. Netanyahu believes more time under duress would have led to an acceptable deal. But that opportunity, in his mind, may now be lost.
Whether Israel still has the ability to strike Iran, without American assistance, is an open question. Quoted last month in the Atlantic magazine, US officials suggested that window for Netanyahu closed over two years ago.
But responding to claims by that same official, quoted by Jeffrey Goldberg, over Netanyahu's courage and will, the Israeli official responded sternly: "The prime minister is a very serious man who knows the serious responsibility that rests on his shoulders. He wouldn't say the statements that he made if he didn't mean them."
“People have underestimated Israel many, many times in the past," he continued, "and they underestimate it now."
JERUSALEM (AFP) -- Despite Israeli threats of a strike on Iran if world powers fail to halt its nuclear drive at talks entering an endgame in Vienna, experts see the sabre-rattling as largely diplomatic brinkmanship.
ReplyDeleteWith Monday's deadline for a lasting agreement fast approaching, Israel has been keeping up pressure on the five permanent members of the UN Security Council and Germany which are involved in the negotiations.
Israel, the region's sole if undeclared nuclear-armed state, sees itself as the first potential target if Iran develops an atomic bomb, and has warned against striking what it describes as a "bad deal" with Tehran.
If an agreement is signed that leaves Iran on the threshold of becoming a nuclear power, "we will preserve all options and all our rights to do what we see fit to defend Israel," Intelligence Minister Yuval Steinitz said this week.
But Israel "does not want war," said Emily Landau, director of an arms control project at Tel Aviv University's Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies.
"By brandishing the threat of military intervention Israel is counting on the deterrent effect," she said.
"A good agreement (with Iran) is not possible because it will not include Iranian ballistic missiles on which nuclear warheads could be mounted," she added.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has previously warned that a "bad" nuclear deal which leaves Iran with the capability to enrich uranium would be "catastrophic" and worse than no deal at all.
Israeli media in March carried an apparently leaked report saying that Netanyahu and Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon had ordered the military to earmark a budget reserve of nearly $3 billion for a possible offensive against Iranian nuclear facilities.
In public, Yaalon took a swipe at Israel's US ally.
ReplyDelete"The United States began negotiations with the Iranians, but unfortunately in what became a Persian bazaar, Iranians are the best," he said.
Israel has strongly opposed the negotiations with its arch-enemy, and has said repeatedly that it is prepared to go it alone if necessary with pre-emptive military action against Iran's nuclear facilities.
But Ephraim Kam, of Israel's Institute for National Security Studies, said there is almost no chance of Israel launching an offensive against Iran.
"For the past year the Americans haven't talked about the military option," he said. "If the negotiations are extended, of which there is a strong chance, Israel cannot allow itself to go into action alone while the Americans continue discussions with the Iranians."
"Israel has the capacity to delay the Iranian nuclear program by several years, but not to reduce it to nothing," he said.In public, Yaalon took a swipe at Israel's US ally.
"The United States began negotiations with the Iranians, but unfortunately in what became a Persian bazaar, Iranians are the best," he said.
Israel has strongly opposed the negotiations with its arch-enemy, and has said repeatedly that it is prepared to go it alone if necessary with pre-emptive military action against Iran's nuclear facilities.
But Ephraim Kam, of Israel's Institute for National Security Studies, said there is almost no chance of Israel launching an offensive against Iran.
"For the past year the Americans haven't talked about the military option," he said. "If the negotiations are extended, of which there is a strong chance, Israel cannot allow itself to go into action alone while the Americans continue discussions with the Iranians."
"Israel has the capacity to delay the Iranian nuclear program by several years, but not to reduce it to nothing," he said.
'Playing diplomatic card'
ReplyDeleteThe objective of the Vienna talks is to turn an interim accord with Iran reached a year ago into a lasting agreement.
Such a deal, after 12 years of rising tensions, is aimed at easing fears that Tehran will develop nuclear weapons under the guise of its civilian activities -- an ambition Iran has repeatedly denied.
Nuclear expert Ephraim Asculai, formerly a senior official at the Israel Atomic Energy Commission, said Israel "has every interest in playing the diplomatic card so that international sanctions on Iran are not lifted."
"In the event that an agreement is reached Israel will not be able to attack a country that has an accord with the United States."
Analysts say Israel has the military capabilities to strike Iran if it wants to, and is also bolstering its missile defenses.
In 2007, Israeli planes are believed to have struck an undeclared Syrian nuclear facility although Israel never confirmed its involvement.
In September this year, Israel said it had successfully conducted a joint test with the United States of an upgraded Arrow 2 ballistic missile interception system over the Mediterranean Sea.
The system, designed to counter long-range missiles, has successfully intercepted missiles similar to Iran's Shihab-3 in a variety of test conditions.
"Israel has the means to attack and cause severe damage to Iran," said Ephraim Halevy, a former head of the Mossad intelligence agency which experts say has been pursuing covert operations against Iranian nuclear scientists.
"But the real military option is the United States, with its troops, its navy and air force deployed in the Gulf."
"The ideal for both Israel and the United States would be to win the game by showing their strength without actually using it," he added.
There is no win with Israel. The sooner we dump this relationship the better.
ReplyDeleteYou sound desperate.
DeleteIsrael insists its hands will not be tied by an agreement reached this week, this month or next, should it contain a clause that ultimately normalizes Iran's home-grown enrichment program.
DeleteIsrael is NOT at the table and any agreement that anyone else makes with Iran is NOT a deal that Israel is privy to..
Iran does not even recognize Israel as a nation, in any form, and advocates the need for it to be erased from the planet.
Sounds like Iran needs to be reeducated.
Henry Kissinger: ''In 10 years Israel will cease to exist''
Deletehttp://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2012/10/30/16913.shtml
Less than 8 years to go ...
I predict you will cease to exist in 8 years...
DeleteA most excellent ethical choice - 'dump' a long term ally, the only functioning democracy in the whole area, where women are free to wear bikinis, and not be hung from cranes, a functioning coherent country with a functioning legal system, always under the gun from its neighbors, who continually wish to push it 'into the sea' - dump this in favor of...........what?
ReplyDeleteIran, presumably, with its theology of the coming of the 12th imam, an insane country these days......whose wish is to eradicate......US.
Wunnerful........wunnerful..........
When, where and how, Robert "Draft Dodger" Petrson has ISrael acted as an ally of the United States?
DeleteWhere have the Israeli shed blood and treasure in the pursuit of US interests?
While we welcome third worlders into the USA under Obama, we are warned not to go to Acapulco -
ReplyDeleteNov 21, 11:31 PM EST
US warns citizens to avoid resort of Acapulco
By MARK STEVENSON
Associated Press
MEXICO CITY (AP) -- The U.S. Embassy in Mexico issued a security message Friday warning U.S. citizens to avoid the Pacific resort of Acapulco because of violence and protests.
In yet another blow to a coastal city once favored by U.S. movie stars and jet-setters in the 1950s and `60s, the embassy said its personnel "have been instructed to defer non-essential travel to Acapulco, by air or land," and added that it "cautions U.S. citizens to follow the same guidelines."
The alert noted that "protests and violent incidents continue in Guerrero state in response to the disappearance of 43 students there."
Demonstrators have blocked highways to Acapulco, hijacked buses and blockaded the city's airport to demand the government find the students who disappeared Sept. 26 in the nearby city of Iguala. Prosecutors say local police working for a drug gang probably turned the students over to gang members, who may have killed them and burned their bodies.
In early November, demonstrators blocked Acapulco's airport for hours carrying clubs, machetes and gasoline bombs, causing hotel reservations on a subsequent three-day holiday weekend to fall about 35 percent, said Javier Saldivar, head of Acapulco's business chamber. Hotel occupancy that should have neared 95 percent was only about 60 percent.
"We suffered a serious loss," Saldivar said.
While U.S. tourists account for about 55 percent of foreign visitors to Mexico, relatively few of them go to Acapulco any more. For example, while Mexico's most popular cruise ship port, Cozumel, handled 894 cruise ship arrivals in 2013, Acapulco had only 9.
Drug gang violence has also played a role. In recent years there have even been some shootouts on Acapulco's famed coastal boulevard, but those incidents have calmed somewhat in the last two years.
Acapulco was once a well-regarded destination. It was during a vacation there in the 1960s that novelist Gabriel Garcia Marquez came up with the idea for "100 Years of Solitude." It was there that Bill Clinton took a young woman named Hillary for a honeymoon in 1975.
But in the 1970s and `80s, the resort's infrastructure crumbled, and poor, crowded settlements sprung up inland from the bay, sparking rising problems of unemployment, crime and pollution.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/L/LT_MEXICO_ACAPULCO_ADVISORY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-11-21-21-18-50
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ReplyDeleteRe: The revered Dr. Baruch Kapel Goldstein
This monument was placed by the government of Israel? Has the Knesset ever legitimized his crime?
Re: 40 small stones
That's two a year. Wow, the man is a legend.
While I find razing houses foolish, it cannot be compared to the taking of human life.
Goldstein's tomb
... a magnificent edifice if ever there were ... Tourists and followers come by the twos... The grounds are immaculate.
Baruch Goldstein
DeleteThe perpetrator of the Hebron massacre is both vilified and celebrated.
In the wake of the massacre, the Israeli government and the Chief Rabbis unreservedly condemned Goldstein's actions. Prime Minister Rabin announced to the Knesset: "we say to this horrible man and those like him: you are a shame on Zionism and an embarrassment to Judaism."
Yet while some extremists have lauded Goldstein and attempted to justify his actions in terms of Jewish law, the worldwide rabbinic establishment came down firmly against him. Rabbi Yehuda Amital, leader of the moderate religious Meimad movement, wrote that Goldstein had "stained the Jewish people and the Torah with innocent blood. Beyond the moral and religious baseness of killing innocents while they knelt in prayer before the creator of the world, this terrible murder has brought about the desecration of God's name in the eyes of the entire world."
Jonathan Sacks, Chief Rabbi of Great Britain, added: "Such an act is an obscenity and a travesty of Jewish values. That it should have been perpetrated against worshippers in a house of prayer at a holy time makes it a blasphemy as well… Violence is evil. Violence committed in the name of God is doubly evil. Violence against those engaged in worshipping God is unspeakably evil."
Words to this effect were spoken by the Jordanian PM and the Jordanian Parliament?
<_>This is the Jewish reaction to the murders committed by Baruch Goldstein on 25 Feb 1994.
DeleteBaruch Kappel GOLDSTEIN
In an address to the Knesset, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin denounced the US-born Goldstein. In words the New York Times described as "stunningly harsh, almost Old Testament in their damnation", Rabin, addressing not just Goldstein and his legacy but also other militant settlers, suggested,
You are not part of the community of Israel... You are not part of the national democratic camp which we all belong to in this house, and many of the people despise you. You are not partners in the Zionist enterprise. You are a foreign implant. You are an errant weed. Sensible Judaism spits you out. You placed yourself outside the wall of Jewish law... We say to this horrible man and those like him: you are a shame on Zionism and an embarrassment to Judaism.
<_>This is the Jordanian response to the synagogue murders of 17 Nov 2014.
Jordan's PM Sends Letter to Families of Jerusalem Terrorists
Jordan’s Prime Minister sends a letter of condolences to the families of the terrorists who murdered five people in Jerusalem.
This is why Jews are different and unequivocally hold the moral high ground. To us all life is sacred and a murderer is a murderer, not a hero or martyr to anything other than his own twisted feelings of right and wrong. It is also why we will eventually prevail. Unlike our adversaries and their international sympathizers and enablers, Jews are not driven by psychopathic, undifferentiated hatred.
“perception does not belong to optics but to the study of the wonderful”
ReplyDeleteYour Brain Can’t Handle the Moon
How the moon stirs tension between your conscious and subconscious minds.
http://nautil.us/issue/19/illusions/your-brain-cant-handle-the-moon
Long involved article about our perceptions of the moon................
Weighing in:
Ptolemy
Newton
Berkeley
Descartes
Malebranche
Galileo
>>>What is this new theory?” the long-retired New York University cognitive psychologist, Lloyd Kaufman, asked me. We were sitting behind the wooden desk of his cozy home office. He had a stack of all his papers on the moon illusion, freshly printed, waiting for me on the adjacent futon. But I couldn’t think of a better way to start our discussion than to have him respond to the latest thesis claiming to explain what has gone, for thousands of years, unexplained: Why does the moon look bigger when it’s near the horizon?
He scooted closer to his iMac, tilted his head and began to read the MIT Technology Review article I had pulled up.1 I thought I’d have a few moments to appreciate, as he read, the view of New York City outside the 28th floor window of his Floral Park apartment, but within a half-minute he told me, “Well, it’s clearly wrong.”<<<
Brian Gallagher is an editorial intern at Nautilus. He has written for Mic and the Santa Barbara Independent. @brianscottg
Explain to us how and why Israel in an ally. An Ally in what? England is an ally. Canada and Australia are allies because they actually did something for us. Poland and the Soviet Union have been allies. Nato is an ally. The French have been allies for centuries. What battle or grand cause has Israel shed blood or paid money for where the US benefited? Israel has more in common with our relationship with the IRS than any of our actual real allies. South Africa was an ally. South Korea was an ally in Viet Nam. All of our allies acme to a cause and fought and died along side of American fighting men and woman.
ReplyDeleteMexico is not an ally. Neither is Brazil or Argentina. Israel is no ally of the US. Don’t insult our allies by referring to Israel as a long time ally. It has never been an ally to the US. The closest it has got to actual US fighting men was when they bombed, burned and staffed them in the attack on the USS Liberty.
Ally in what? The Battle of The Bullshit.
Unlike the US and many of its allies, as a general rule Israel can keep a secret. You will, therefore, have to go on wondering about what Israel has done for the US. As to Israel's allies, in future those will include India and China, both glad for the "friendship" and not stupid enough to ignore a gift horse by looking it in the mouth.
DeleteTo the extent that anyone thinks the US an ally of Israel, that is delusional. Mr. Obama and Mr. Kerry have finally publicized the reality of the relationship. I think that a good thing, albeit confusing to many American Jews.
They are an outpost of sanity in a land of madness. That counts for something.
ReplyDeleteWe are cultural cousins.
I recall when Saddam was throwing missiles around they wanted to help but we deterred them.
We have never asked their help.
They are an outpost of liberal ways in a sea of nonsense.
There are not many of them.
Invite them into NATO, then, if you like.
What have Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania ever done for us.
Yet we are formal allies.
One nice thing about the Israelis is they are not pledged to blow us up, like your Iranian friends.
They should be in NATO.
The Israeli have already rejected that idea, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson.
DeleteThere has already been a thread on the rejection of Israel permitting NATO troops to defend it, to maintain security and protect both Israeli and Palestinians.
Netanyahu does not want NATO in West Bank
... Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was opposed the idea of NATO – as opposed to IDF – forces securing the West Bank, as Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas had suggested.
“Netanyahu has made it clear he doesn’t want NATO,” Kerry said,
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4486005,00.html
"I will never gamble with the security of the one and only Jewish state,"
"The only force that can defend it is its own army –
– the brave soldiers of the IDF."
- Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
Let’s see how the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) evaluates Mexico in the most recent examination of its members.
ReplyDeleteFirst. Obviously, our country is the most unstable of all the members. Brazil and Russia are positioned slightly better. In contrast, Japan is the most stable. While in the United States, the United Kingdom, Japan, Canada, and Poland the number of people who claim to have suffered any crime is under 2%, in Mexico, it’s 12.8%, reflecting the severe problem that shakes the Republic, which is also one of the countries lowest in income and equality.
In Mexico, according to the OECD, annual family income is $12,850. That is, of course, if the wealth were shared equally. Since it’s not, the gap between the richest and poorest is very large: the top 20% receive at least 13 times more than the bottom 20%, making Mexico a severely unequal nation.
By that same logic, Mexicans work 2,226 hours a year—the OECD average is 1,765 hours—to make a far lower salary than the other members of the organization.
Although Mexico devotes a large part of its budget to education, the results are extremely low. In fact, only 36% of citizens between the ages of 25-64 have a middle school education, which is far from the average: 75%. This is the country with the lowest education levels in the OECD, while Finland has the highest. Regarding the quality of reading and math levels, the Mexican Republic achieved 417 points, while the average is 497. An important fact is that Mexican women leave school at one percentage point higher than men.
Second. In Mexico, life expectancy has gone up to 74 years; even so, it is less than the average of 80 years. Women have a life expectancy of 77, while men’s is 71. Regarding air contamination, Mexico also fares poorly. The level of PM10 atmospheric particles—those are contaminants in the air that enter the lungs and can damage them—is at 28.9 micrograms per cubic meter, much higher than the average of 20.1 micrograms. Don’t even mention the quality of the water: 20% less drinkable than the average of OECD countries.
Even in personal relationships, Mexicans trust less (as Samuel Ramos and Octavio Paz have documented) than in other parts of the world. In fact, 68% of nationals say they have someone whom they can confide in as needed, while the average is 84%.
One of the great contributions of Mexican simulation is the voter card that one gets because it serves as identification and is free, rather than to exercise the right to vote. Not having a voter’s card is almost like civic death. Nonetheless, Mexico has a participation in elections of 63%, below the 72% average.
Third. Although the previous indicators emphasize that our country has a large window of opportunities for improvement, surprisingly the OECD study confirmed that Mexicans are more satisfied with their lives (82% say they have positive experiences on a normal day—feelings of peace, satisfaction with their achievements, etc.) than the average of 76%.
This fact is worrisome because it reflects either a problem in the survey sample taken by the Gallup polling company or a serious state of denial or avoidance of reality by Mexicans, a large discrepancy between objective quality of life and perceived quality of life. If what Gallup affirmed for the OECD is true, we will have the PRI [Party of the Institutional Revolution] around for awhile, because the most important thing is not the living truth, but the perceived truth.
Mexicans could use the following saying when asked "How are you?", responding between jokes and glances:
“Fucked, but happy.”
3-star General Daniel Bolger helped to lead the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
ReplyDeleteThe first sentence of his new book - Why We Lost: A General’s Inside Account of the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars – starts:
I am a United Sates Army general, and I lost the Global War on Terrorism. It’s like Alcoholics Anonymous; step one is admitting you have a problem. Well, I have a problem. So do my peers. And thanks to our problem, now all of America has a problem, to wit: two lost campaigns and a war gone awry.
Yahoo News notes:
Having studied military history, he says he should have known that a U.S.-led counterinsurgency in a country like Afghanistan could never work.
Now, with the rise of the Islamic State, there’s a growing choir urging the U.S. military to lead yet another ground war in Iraq.
“That would be four times biting that poison apple: Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq and then Iraq again,” he said.
General Bolger is right.
The U.S. previously carried out regime change in Iraq in 1963 and Afghanistan in the 1970s.
>>>According to the UK-based Jane’s military magazine, Israel’s “geopolitical position” provided NATO with a foreign base to defend the West, while NATO’s military and economic might enhanced the security and economic potential of the “host country”.
ReplyDeleteIn June 2005, Israel participated in submarine manoeuvres off the coast of Taranto, Italy. At the time, US sources said that Israel was seeking to widen the “scope of its strategic alliance” with NATO in preparation for full membership in NATO. Israeli ground forces also took part in NATO drills lasting two weeks and a half in Ukraine. In 2006, Israel told NATO that it wanted to participate in “active operational efforts” conducted by NATO in the Mediterranean as part of the campaign to “confront terrorism”.
Soon after, Israel hosted and took part in three military drills with NATO and attended a conference for NATO air force commanders. The Wall Street Journal reported closer links between NATO and Israel. It cited Uzi Arad, founder of the Atlantic Forum of Israel, as saying that Israel would benefit from NATO’s membership. The Washington Post, meanwhile, argued that many countries in Europe supported Israel’s membership but were waiting for Washington to suggest such a move.
Washington’s view on the matter became clear in March 2006 when James Jones, then chief NATO commander in Europe, said that the deployment of NATO AWACS aircraft in Israel was a “clear signal to Iran”. In May 2006, eight NATO navy pieces arrived in Haifa to demonstrate “the growing cooperation” between Israel and NATO.
In late June 2006, the House of Representative’s Committee on Foreign Affairs unanimously passed a decision calling for closer Israeli-NATO ties. Consequently, Israel and NATO agreed on a long-term plan to cooperate in 27 spots around the world. Israel thus became the first non- European country and the first Middle Eastern country to cooperate with NATO on that a crucial level.
Two months after the end of the 2006 war in Lebanon, a seminar on NATO-Israel relations was held in Herzliya. Attending the seminar was then Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni who said that Israel would have preferred NATO to “do the job that Israel did in Lebanon”. She added that Israel wished to take part in NATO’s regional and local initiatives. NATO Deputy Secretary-General Alessandro Risso responded by noting that the stationing of an Israeli liaison officer at the NATO headquarters in Naples was a sign of the “vital cooperation” between NATO and Israel.<<<
Since we are in a cultural war, not of our choice, with the moslems, and, everyone else is too, from the Philippines to India to Detroit, we should co-operate with Israel..........
http://www.globalresearch.ca/when-israel-joins-nato/17427
"the deployment of NATO AWACS aircraft in Israel"
" Israel and NATO agreed on a long-term plan to cooperate in 27 spots around the world. Israel thus became the first non- European country and the first Middle Eastern country to cooperate with NATO on that a crucial level"
Deletehe Israeli have already rejected that idea, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson.
DeleteThere has already been a thread on the rejection of Israel permitting NATO troops to defend it, to maintain security and protect both Israeli and Palestinians.
Netanyahu does not want NATO in West Bank
... Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was opposed the idea of NATO – as opposed to IDF – forces securing the West Bank, as Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas had suggested.
“Netanyahu has made it clear he doesn’t want NATO,” Kerry said,
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4486005,00.html
"I will never gamble with the security of the one and only Jewish state,"
"The only force that can defend it is its own army –
– the brave soldiers of the IDF."
- Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
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DeleteDid you lie to us about that Syrian seaport or are you ignorant of reality?
DeleteRevised and Extended ...
DeleteWhere in the world outside of Palestine have the Israeli deployed troops?
Guatemala and where else?
Where in the world have the Israeli deployed troops in the support of NATO operations, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson?
Afghanistan?
What was the name of the Syrian seaport you said that ISIS captured?
Since 2006, when the "plan" was created, whre have the Israeli deployed in support of NATO operations?
DeleteCome on, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, in the past eight years since the 'plan' was approved, where have they gone?
Deception and misdirection, is that all you have to offer, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson?
DeleteEmpty words and plans never fulfilled?
Where have the Israeli deployed in support of NATO operations?
To which of the 27 spots have they deployed to, in the past eight years?
DeleteLebanon, the Israeli have previously deployed troops into Lebanon.
DeleteAs reported on YNET, Bibi said no to NATO on or before 02.08.14,
ReplyDeleteWell after 2006 had faded into history.
Revised and Extended ...
DeleteWell after plans generated in 2006 had faded into history.
Jack the Crapper has arrived !
ReplyDeleteThe thread goes immediately to jack shit.
Jack is this blog's most ferocious anti- Semite, his claim to fame.
There are only TWO people left on the blog that I know of who have yet to call him NUTZ.
All the others, trying to be helpful, have offered up a diagnosis of his insanity......
There have been no anti-Semitic remarks.
DeleteThe Zionists are not Semites, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson.
But, regardless, to which of those27 sites have the Israeli deployed troops?
DeleteWhat is the name of the Syrian seaport you reported that ISIS captured?
Where have the Israeli deployed in support of NATO.
DeleteThey had 27 opportunities, on which did the engage?
They had 27 opportunities, on which did they engage?
Delete>>>MNNA status was first created in 1989 when section 2350a, otherwise known as the Nunn Amendment, was added to Title 10 (Armed Forces) of the United States Code by Congress.[1] It stipulated that cooperative research and development agreements could be enacted with non-NATO allies by the Secretary of Defense with the concurrence of the Secretary of State. Initial MNNAs were Australia, Egypt, Israel, Japan, and South Korea.<<<
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Where have the Israeli deployed in support of NATO?
DeleteWhich of the 27 opportunities, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson?
How many battalions can Israel send to Poland, or to Germany, if the Russians move into Ukraine?
DeleteI like the idea of Israel in NATO -
DeleteBring Israel into NATO
Israeli membership in NATO is a type of long-term structural solution to the ongoing crisis in the Middle East that policy makers should seriously consider.
By Yehuda Lukacs | Aug. 31, 2012 | 5:05 AM
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/bring-israel-into-nato-1.461868
Bibi has already rejected the very concept, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson.
DeleteHe rejects NATO in Israel/Palestine.
No matter what idea you may 'like'.
Israel rejects the very idea, the very concept of the application of international military forces in Israel/Palestine.
Every member of NATO has to 'sign on', think that Sweden will agree, Spain?
DeleteEven England? ...House of Commons urges government to "recognise state of Palestine alongside state of Israel".
THEY’VE GOT A SECRET
ReplyDeleteOmri Ceren emails a status update suggesting that the negotiations have descended into a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham. Omri’s message expands on this Reuters report from earlier this afternoon:
Reuters broke this about 90 minutes ago: the P5+1 “will likely stop short of demanding full disclosure of any secret weapon work by Tehran.”
Who is Omri Ceren?
DeleteOh, no one of any import.
Omri Ceren is a political blogger.
... his blog Mere Rhetoric.
DeleteWho is Jack Hawkins?
DeleteA self confessed moron and a self confessed, and proud of it, professional asshole.
Michel Chossudovsky: Israel - A De Facto Member of NATO
ReplyDeleteByProf. Michel Chossudovsky, Global Research, March 09, 2013
NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen received Israel’s president Shimon Peres at NATO headquarters in Brussels on March 7.
The order of the day: to enhance military cooperation between Israel and the Atlantic Alliance focusing on issues of counter-terrorism.
“Israel will be happy to share the knowledge it has gained and its technological abilities with NATO. Israel has experience in contending with complex situations, and we must strengthen the cooperation so we can fight global terror together and assist NATO with the complex threats it faces including in Afghanistan."
Israel is already involved in covert operations and non-conventional warfare in liaison with the US and NATO.
This agreement is of particular significance because it deepens the Israel-NATO relationship beyond the so-called “Mediterranean Dialogue”.
The joint statement points to an Israel NATO partnership “in the fight against terror and the search for peace… in the Middle East and the world”.
What this suggests is the participation of Israel in active theater warfare alongside NATO –i.e. as a de facto member of the Atlantic Alliance. In other words, Israel would be directly involved were US-NATO to launch an outright military operation against Syria, Lebanon or Iran.
Israel offered to assist NATO in counter-terrorism operations directed against Hezbollah and Iran. “The two agreed during their discussions that Israel and NATO are partners in the fight against terror…the statement said.
President Peres stressed the need to maintain and increase the cooperation between Israel and NATO and Israel’s ability to cooperation and provide technological assistance and knowledge from the vast experience Israel had gained in the field of counter-terrorism.
“Israel will be happy to share the knowledge it has gained and its technological abilities with NATO. Israel has experience in contending with complex situations, and we must strengthen the cooperation so we can fight global terror together and assist NATO with the complex threats it faces including in Afghanistan, ” Peres told Rasmussen.
History of Israel-NATO Military Cooperation
DeleteIt is worth noting that in November 2004 in Brussels, NATO and Israel signed an important bilateral protocol which paved the way for the holding of joint NATO-Israel military exercises. A followup agreement was signed in March 2005 in Jerusalem between NATO’s Secretary General and Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.
The 2005 bilateral military cooperation agreement was viewed by the Israeli military as a means to “enhance Israel’s deterrence capability regarding potential enemies threatening it, mainly Iran and Syria.”
The ongoing premise underlying NATO-Israel military cooperation is that “Israel is under attack”.
The March 2013 Israel-NATO Brussels agreement is all the more significant because it “obligates” NATO “to come to the rescue of Israel” under the doctrine of “collective security”.
Moreover, it tightens the process of US-NATO-Israel military planning and logistics relating to any future operation in the Middle East including an aerial bombing of Iran’s nuclear plants.
The Israeli presidential delegation consisted of several top military and government advisers, including Brigadier General Hasson Hasson, Military Secretary to President Peres (See image below: first from left) and Nadav Tamir, policy adviser to the president of Israel (first right of president Peres).
The text of the Israel NATO agreement following discussions behind closed doors (see image below) was not made public.
Following the meeting, a joint statement was released by NATO.
Secretary-General Rasmussen stated in the press report:
“Israel is an important partner of the Alliance in the Mediterranean Dialogue. The security of NATO is linked to the security and stability of the Mediterranean and of the Middle East region. And our Alliance attaches great value to our political dialogue and our practical cooperation. Israel is one of our longest-standing partner countries. We are faced with the same strategic challenges in the Eastern Mediterranean. And as we face the security threats of the 21st century, we have every reason to deepen our long-standing partnership with our Mediterranean Dialogue countries, including Israel.
We all know the regional situation is complex. But the Mediterranean Dialogue remains a unique multilateral forum, where Israel and six Arab countries can discuss together with European and North American countries common security challenges.
I see further opportunities for deepening our already close political dialogue and practical cooperation to our mutual benefit.”
http://www.thirdexodus.org/thewatchers/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=44:michel-chossudovsky-israel-a-de-facto-member-of-nato&Itemid=249&lang=en
A wacky sounding blog making perfectly good sense.
Dr. Huxtable is now being accused by a Playboy Playmate.............
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ReplyDeleteSorry, I hate the idea of Israel in NATO... cui bono ...
NATO would be another link in the chain shackling Israeli autonomy.
DeletePerhaps.........it seems to me it would provide a lot of backup though...
DeleteAnyway, de facto, Israel is nearly in NATO now.....
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DeleteIsrael has seen what NATO stands for...
DeleteNothing.
Israel has seen the handwriting on the wall and understand that the public nature of alliances has changed.
Turkey is Obama's butt buddy. The moslem brotherhood has become welcome in the USA even to the point that Hillary's #1 assistant is a Moslem Brotherhood operative. Obama stands with hamas.
At least that's what is said in public. Now I do not doubt Obama stands with Islam, however America does not.
Nation's alliances eb and flow. Israel is turning to India and China for material support. America is still trying not to be irrelevant. But Obama is trying his hardest to turn America into the cuckhold nation he wants.
israel may have to take out Iran. Or stir the pot, or funnel weapons to iranian nationals that want to overthrow the mullahs...
Obama cannot stop Israel from Israel doing what it needs to do, just as Israel cannot stop America from doing what it needs to do...
Israel can undo its US shackles tomorrow. Happy trails and Bob, check in now and then to better coordinate your talking points.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile:
(Reuters) - Islamic State militants have killed at least 25 members of a Sunni Muslim tribe in a village on the eastern edge of the provincial capital Ramadi, local officials said on Saturday, in apparent revenge for tribal opposition to the radical Islamists.
They said the bodies of the men from the Albu Fahd tribe were discovered by the Iraqi army when it launched a counter-offensive on Saturday against Islamic State near Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province.
"While they were combing the territories they are liberating, security forces found 25 corpses in the Shujariya area," Hathal Al-Fahdawi, a member of the Anbar Provincial Council, told Reuters.
Albu Fahd tribal leader Sheikh Rafie al-Fahdawi said at least 25 bodies had been found and said he expected the total to be significantly higher. He said the bodies were found scattered around with no signs of weapons next to them, suggesting they were not killed during fighting.
You're the talking point go to guy.
DeleteYou tell me.
My opinions don't seem to have been accepted by anyone here tonight.
DeleteThat's how good my talking points are.........
AFP | Frankfurt
ReplyDeleteSaturday, 22 November 2014
Hundreds of Germans have left their home country to fight alongside jihadists in Syria and Iraq, Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said.
"We estimate 550. Just a few days ago we had 450," the minister told German television channel Phoenix on Friday.
"These young people... were radicalised in Germany, within this society. That's why prevention must be accompanied by repression," he added.
Most of those who have joined the Islamic State of Syria and Iraq (ISIS) organization's jihadist cause are men, although some women have also travelled to the two war-torn countries.
De Maiziere said authorities are keeping a close watch on some 230 more people who are considered potential threats on German soil.
"We cannot exclude, and in certain cases it's actually quite possible, that they are preparing an attack," the minister said.
In mid-October, Germany announced new measures to prevent its citizens from travelling to join the jihadist cause in Iraq and Syria, including confiscating their identity papers.
Concerns are mounting in Europe over the growing national security threat posed by jihadists returning from war-ravaged Syria and Iraq.
Deuce ☂Sat Nov 22, 11:06:00 PM EST
ReplyDeleteIsrael can undo its US shackles tomorrow.
... from your mouth to G-d's ear ...
Israel already has learned the lesson. Many items once sourced in the USA are now being produced in Israel.
DeleteAnd with their natural gas coming on line soon? another dependency will be cut.
American interests require rapprochement with the Islamic Republic but as it turns out, the Israeli lobby is more influential in formulating U.S. foreign policy toward Iran than all of the nation’s intelligence services put together.
ReplyDeleteHence U.S. politicians from the president on down, chase shadows, in terms of definable policy (like sanctions against Iran).
What happens when a well-armed individual just knows, in his gut, that the other guy is plotting to destroy him? Chances are something horrible will happen.
And, the American public ought to know that because collectively we have already lived out this tragedy in 2003. In that year we had leaders who were influenced by their guts, by religious imagery, by duplicitous Iraqi con men, by scheming Zionists and ideologically driven neo-cons, than anything vaguely resembling hard evidence. That “something horrible” cost the lives of up to a million human beings.
So let us get this straight. It seems there are two worlds. The real world of facts and evidence and the unreal world of fantasy. Our political leaders and their advisers are, apparently, stuck in the unreal one. Their words, and their policies, are built on the assumptions of this fantasy world. They go to war and kill people based on beliefs that are demonstrably false.
Most of the poor Americans are stuck in their own local niches and beyond them they do not know what is real or unreal.
So we rely on others to tell us what to believe. Who are the others? They just happen to be our political leaders, their advisers and follow-the-leader media commentators.
One 'scheming Zionist' I saw interviewed on the TV at the time was an Israeli General whose considered opinion was: "you might look back and wish you still had Saddam".
ReplyDeleteSaddam should never have invaded Kuwait.
DeleteHe started it !
The US told him it was a local matter, that the US had no objections, when Saddam asked for permission.
DeleteReally, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, you should take Fran's advise to heart
“Think before you speak.
Read before you think.”
― Fran Lebowitz
What is the name of that Syrian seaport you told us ISIS had captured?
My whole idea about Israel and NATO is simply I think it might prevent a big war.
ReplyDeleteOn this idea I wish Quirk would weigh in............
Guantanamera - sings young Pete Seeger
ReplyDeleteThis sounds like progress -
ReplyDeleteTunisians go to the polls today, and I go with them.
posted at 1:31 am on November 23, 2014 by Mary Katharine Ham
Tabarka, Tunisia— If there is a place where the seedlings of the Arab Spring might avoid being burned to a crisp in the flames of Islamist zealotry, authoritarianism and chaos, it will likely be Tunisia, where it all started.
Since a young fruit vendor self-immolated in protest against the former oppressive Ben Ali regime in 2011, this relatively peaceful, modern North African country has plodded toward a liberal Constitution and free elections. This weekend, the country will go to the polls to choose its first freely elected president. A month ago, parliamentary elections went smoothly, granting a plurality of seats to a party composed of widely divergent ideological factions joined by by a determination to curb Islamist influence in the new government. The country’s first free legislative election was in 2011.
I am here as an election observer with the International Republican Institute, a non-profit organization staffed by a bunch of interesting young people who believe in the universal allure of freedom and self-governance, while recognizing such inclinations toward freedom rarely come to fruition without serious work to build up election processes, political parties, potential candidates, and civil society organizations. I’ve been allowed to parachute into the country to see the fruits of their labor alongside the Tunisian people. Days before the election, the feeling in the country is not exactly euphoric. Cautious optimism abounds, as does healthy skepticism, and a fair amount of disillusionment, particularly among young people.
An election official in a western, agricultural area of Tunisia told me, “We are like babies taking our first steps in democracy.” Talking with hands that look years younger than his face, he explains through a translator the process by which his office is distributing ballots. Just outside his door, a list of poll workers’ names and assignments covers two wheeled bulletin boards for the public to inspect. Over his shoulder through his stark, white office’s only window, I can see a group of young boys playing soccer in the late-afternoon sun.
It has been three years since the Revolution, two years longer than the people were promised before a free election. The transition to free society has not been quick or easy, the old bureaucracies are still in place, slow if not deliberately repressive, and the idealism and excitement of the early days has run up against the day-to-day grind of willing democracy forward. A pair of political assassinations and an increase in terrorist attacks in 2012 and ’13 threatened to send Tunisia down the same road as its neighbors in Libya. But a group of long-established community organizations collectively known as the “quartet”—a workers’ union, a management/business union, the human rights league, and the bar association—emerged as brokers of a political deal in 2013 to drag the Constitutional process over the finish line.
Tunisia is not blessed with an abundance of natural resources, which turned out to be a blessing of its own when President Habbib Bourguiba realized the need in the 1950s to be a thoroughly modern dictator in order to attract people to its most obvious resource—the country’s 1,000 miles of gorgeous Mediterranean coast. You can get beer and wine fairly easily in coastal areas, and the major cities’ restaurants and hotels. Women have rights and modern tastes. I have seen more women carrying guns at police checkpoints than wearing hijab. Especially in cities, the citizenry is educated.
DeleteNonetheless, a loss of some of the stability and security of the Ben Ali years (the leader toppled in the Revolution) has many of those citizens wondering if Tunisia is ready for freedom. The embodiment of this apprehension is the front-runner in the presidential contest— an 87-year-old member of the Ben-Ali regime, Beji Caid Essebsi. Though he represents a diverse party brought together by its opposition to Islamists, there seem to be equal parts fear and hope from voters about electing someone with experience wielding a heavy hand. There are also concerns about his age, which he has offered to assuage by taking off his shirt. Why didn’t John McCain ever think of that?
An older man working at the bar at my hotel finds Essebsi’s promises of security and stability comforting. My young guide, a student in Tunis, is deeply worried about progress the country might lose if a man versed in Ben Ali’s ways takes its reigns. The other leading candidate is the sitting president, Moncef Marzouki, who was appointed to his position, but has a long history of opposition to the Ben Ali regime. He also has a tendency to say crazy things on camera and was joined in a ruling coalition by the Islamic party, Ennahda, which makes others wary of the alliance. Ennahda, for its part, points to its alliance with a human-rights activist like Marzouki as evidence for its desire for inclusion and tolerance of non-religious Tunisians. The religious party also acquiesced in the parliamentary wins of Essepsi’s party with congratulations, not protest or violence. More on them later, but suffice to say things would not be where they are now if Ennahda didn’t deserve some of the credit it seeks for inclusivity.
“I’m optimistic in the short term,” said Yassine Brahim, a tech entrepreneur who spent many years in London and France before returning with his family to Tunisia in the late ’90s. “I need to be!”
He started the party that would most closely resemble a center-right party, focusing on opening up the country to new freedoms and new investment through free enterprise.
If Essebsi wins, Brahim has hope his coalition will keep him honest and the results could be good.
“[He] could be the man who brings this more constructive deal with the Islamists and start to really reform government,” he said. “If we have good, skilled people have this stability, we can change the country in five years and you could really have a different country. If we come back to what was happening before the revolution…it won’t work.”
To the polls Tunisians go. Today. Wish them the best.
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/11/23/tunisians-go-to-the-polls-today-and-i-go-with-them/
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ReplyDeleteThe Cost of War in Syria
The atrocities committed by the Assad regime weigh on the consciences of Americans, but intervening and accelerating the bloodshed of a war it has no intention of winning is not a greater moral alternative. John Nagl, a retired lieutenant colonel and architect of the U.S. counterinsurgency strategy in Iraq, has been noting lately St. Augustine's adage that the "purpose of war is to build a better peace." Aside from a handful of unreliable rebels and a government-in-exile with little credibility in Syria, the United States has few partners with which to build a better future for Syria. Suggesting the United States and its tenuous coalition can craft an opposition that adheres to its standards of moderation and will be able to sway the broader Syrian public is dangerously optimistic. Or worse, hubristic.
President Obama's strategy so far has been calibrated to America's interest in Syria, and given time to work, it could succeed. His greatest challenge will be to not go too far. Gen. Martin Dempsey told the House Armed Services Committee on Thursday that "Progress will be uneven at times...But with strategic patience, the trend lines favor the coalition over the long term." President Obama should hold to that patience, because if he allows the U.S. mission to creep and is drawn into Syria's civil war, he risks adopting a war of choice he does not want to fight, and might not be able to win.
http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2014/11/22/the_costs_of_losing_strategic_patience_in_syria_110819.html
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Again, the importance of maintaining the "Rat Doctrine".
DeleteIt is now gaining sway amongst senior members of the US military
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DeleteNot to worry. Rat has assured us the US won't be taking on Assad.
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ReplyDeleteThe Deal-Breakers on the Iranian Deal: The Neocons, Israel, the GOP
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Read the article.
DeleteWhat an utterly stupid article.
Why do you say that, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, why not tell us and provide examples of the stupidity?
DeleteYour comment is without basis, without merit.
What is the name of the Syrian seaport you told us was captured by ISIS?
Your lack of clarification on the Syrian seaport is leading to the conclusion that you have lied to us.
DeleteThat, by omission, you are attempting to continue the deceit.
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DeleteRat, you stupid ass. Don't you even read anything put up here but your sad mewlings?
Bob, admitted his error yesterday and said the town was in Libya.
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He should have said so, when the audience was present, Legionnaire Q.
DeleteIt is nice to know that Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson admitted to being an imbecile.
On to the next step.
As to "rat" assuring us that the US would not attack Assad, please post that quote, if you can Legionnaire Q?
DeleteI doubt that it exists.
“Israel may have to take out Iran”
ReplyDeleteIsrael specializes in attacks where they can’t hit back. Ever bother to think much? Take a look at how many casualties Iran took in the war with Iraq. What foolish nonsense. On a more serious note:
VIENNA — With a deadline zooming down on them, negotiators made an eleventh-hour effort Sunday to strike a deal that would limit Iran’s nuclear capability and ease crushing sanctions on the country.
Secretary of State John F. Kerry met Sunday morning with Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif and Catherine Ashton, the European Union’s representative at the talks. It was their fifth meeting since Kerry arrived Thursday night.
French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius was expected to join the talks later Sunday, and there were reports that the Russian and Chinese foreign ministers might arrive, as well. Britain and Germany, the other two members of the team negotiating with Iran, already have come to Vienna in recent days, and the arrival of the Chinese and Russian envoys would be another sign of the approaching end to a year of intense negotiations that have bogged down on the last lap.
Israel is the political disaster that keeps on taking but let the real powers in the World make a deal with Iran and then see what Israel will do. If Israel decides to attack then, Israel will have lost its mind.
Why> If Iran is intent on destroy Israel by any mean possible, arms several proxy armies to do so, supplies billions in aid to do so, hundreds of thousands of tons of munitions, and hundreds of thousands of rockets and missiles as well, why should Israel stand aside with it's hands in it's pockets while Iran completes it's pursuit of a nuclear bomb and delivery system?
DeleteWhy indeed?
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DeleteYou and Israel are paranoid, IMO.
Iran's goal is regional hegemony. Israel is the perfect catspaw. Every other country in the ME does the same thing except for those that are being paid by the US not to attack Israel or those like SA that change their mind only when Israel can do something for them. Do you think there is one country in the ME that actually gives a shit about the Palestinians?
It's quite a scam everybody over there has going. And I mean everybody.
To hell with the ME and the horse it rode in on.
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Quirk, Israel and I are not paranoid.
Deletewe are realists.
Iran is, spending it's national wealth to destroy Israel and the Jews.
That is a fact, it's not paranoia.
Never underestimate the stupidity of the Republican Party.
ReplyDeleteNever underestimate the lying, evil nature of the Iranians.
DeleteAs Obama helps and strengthens Iran through out the region....
ReplyDeleteObama has, throughout his six years in office, eagerly sought to change the American relationship with Iran, and for that matter, with Israel: one up, one down. At this point, Iran is cooperating with the U.S. in the fight with ISIS in Iraq and — to a lesser extent — in Syria (where the U.S. is less involved). Both parties seem eager to achieve stabilization in Iraq in particular. If that goal is achieved, Iran will have secured one more nation for its growing collection of Shiite-friendly regimes to add to Lebanon, Syria, and now Yemen. If ISIS is defeated in Iraq, then it will also be easier for Iranian proxy armies, such as Hezbollah and its own militias, to concentrate on wiping them out in Syria. Then Iran could get back to its primary interest: leading and supporting the fight against Israel.
The cooperation on the battlefield in Iraq is clearly connected to the nuclear negotiations with Iran. Iran is happy to cooperate with the United States when it serves its own interests. Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei learned this week that nothing he says or does, no matter how vile, will deter the P5 + 1 — and, it seems, the Americans in particular — from moving ahead. Khamenei recently called for the annihilation of Israel (even laying out nine points for discussion!). Also, his government funded the terrorist group responsible for the savage slaughter in a Jerusalem synagogue on Tuesday morning.
Israel would be crazy NOT to do something.
they could:
Take out Assad.
Sabotage key Oil exporting infrastructure.
Start smuggling arms to several groups that are inside of Iran that are repressed and persecuted.
And of course get that new contract to sell Europe Israeli Gas online
allen: To the extent that anyone thinks the US an ally of Israel, that is delusional.
ReplyDeleteIn the 1973 tussle the US and SU almost went to World War III over the aid flowing to our respective allies, Israel and Egypt. After that, financial support for Israel quadrupled, and even in this last conflict over Gaza, and even with Obama with President, the bullets flowed in.
There is not treaty of alliance between the US and Israel. That the Soviet and US used proxies in the instance was common: consider Afghanistan some years later.
DeleteThere is nothing new about buying off Israeli politicians.
The whole business about Israel joining NATO is a backdoor approach to a treaty of alliance between the US and Israel.
Deletesix questions relating to any final nuclear deal with the Iranians:
ReplyDeleteWill Iran dismantle its centrifuges, now approximately 20,000 in number?
Will Iran dismantle its heavy water reactor in Arak?
Will international nuclear inspectors get access to all the sites in the country they want to visit on short notice?
Will Iran explain aspects of its nuclear program that are linked to a weaponization program?
Will the United States and the rest of the P5 + 1 agree to only gradually reduce existing sanctions on Iran, to match evidence of Iranian compliance with the agreement they have signed?
Will Iran and the P5 + 1 only sign a long term agreement (decades, rather than years), so that Iran does not obtain sanctions relief, and then move towards a nuclear weapons capability when it decides to do so?
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DeleteRevised and Extended ...
DeleteWill Israel join the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty?
Will Israel dismantle its centrifuges?
Will Israel dismantle its Dimona reactor?
Will international nuclear inspectors get access to all the sites in the country they want to visit on short notice?
Will Israel explain aspects of its nuclear program that are linked to it's nuclear weapons program?
Israel is NOT a signer of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, as as such has NOT benefited by the shared knowledge and technology that treaty offers that Iran has.
DeleteIran is the Issue, not Israel.
There are no international talks with Israel about it's so called program.
Iran is.
Iran is the nation that has spent billions and billions on a program that has been condemned in the UNSC and is in violation of the same on the issue of nuclear pursuit.
Once again Jack Rat, you prove you stand with Iran.
The issue still is, IRAN.
Israel is not even at the table in with Iran.
Iran is the issue.
Once again, misdirection, change the subject and distort is your forte.
Israeli forces have shot dead a Palestinian farmer near the Gaza border, the Palestinian Health Ministry said.
ReplyDeleteCool, did he explode?
DeleteThey say "Allahu Akbar" even when the IDF topples one of THEIR buildings.
DeleteBibi’s psychiatrist committed suicide because of Bibi
ReplyDeleteA suicide note at his side explained that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has been his patient for the last nine years, had “sucked the life right out of me.”
“I can’t take it anymore,” wrote Yatom. “Robbery is redemption, apartheid is freedom, peace activists are terrorists, murder is self-defense, piracy is legality, Palestinians are Jordanians, annexation is liberation, there’s no end to his contradictions. Freud promised rationality would reign in the instinctual passions, but he never met Bibi Netanyahu. This guy would say Gandhi invented brass knuckles.”
Psychiatrists are familiar with the human tendency to massage the truth to avoid confronting emotionally troubling material, but Yatom was apparently stunned at what he called the “waterfall of lies” gushing from his most illustrious patient. His personal diary details the steady disintegration of his once invincible personality under the barrage of self-serving rationalizations put forth by Netanyahu.
“It is time to honestly admit that Israeli society is ill – and it is our duty to treat this disease,”
Delete- Reuven Rivlin, President of Israel
Reuven Rivlin in order to fight the sickness of Israel said "the enemy can't stand to see Israel's achievements; they can't stand seeing children playing in our streets. In the eyes of the enemy, there is no Green Line. There is no difference between the occupation of 1976 and that of 1948."
Delete"You, my brothers, are pioneers and will take part in the building of the country," Rivlin added, addressing the settlers of the region. "This is a resounding Zionist response. Another neighborhood, another building, another life, another holiness."
Rivlin told the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities on Sunday at a conference titled “From Xenophobia to Accepting the Other.”
Delete“The tension between Jews and Arabs within the State of Israel has risen to record heights, and the relationship between all parties has reached a new low,” he said.
“We have all witnessed the shocking sequence of incidents and violence taking place by both sides.
The epidemic of violence is not limited to one sector or another, it permeates every area and doesn’t skip any arena.
There is violence in soccer stadiums as well as in the academia.
There is violence in the social media and in everyday discourse, in hospitals and in schools.”
“I’m not asking if they’ve forgotten how to be Jews, but if they’ve forgotten how to be decent human beings.
DeleteHave they forgotten how to converse?”
- Reuven Rivlin, President of Israel
It's time for rat to admit he is mentally ill.
ReplyDeleteAnd get help.
Robert "Draft dodger" Peterson, what was the name of the Syrian seaport you told us was captured by ISIS?
DeleteWhy do you not tell us?
Why do you deny us that pertinent piece of data?
Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, what was the name of the Syrian seaport you told us was captured by ISIS?
DeleteYou are the only source of that breaking news, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, no where else has it been reported, so tell us, what is the name of the Syrian seaport you were referencing?
DeleteAre you ahead of the curve, or not even on the track?
DeleteGet help, Jack.
DeleteI addressed your little Syrian issue long ago. Go back and look it up.
You are ill, Jack, and confabulating again.
You are a sick, sick man, Jack.
80% of the people here have said so.
You should listen to their opinions.
You are sick, Jack.
80% of what people, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson?
DeleteIf you can hear what 'people' are saying, here at the Elephant Bar, you are suffering delusions.
Now, I am the first to admit that the stories are in the mind of the reader, but the voices you hear, those are a delusion, Robert.
Legionnaire Q is the prime example, he garners information from reading that is not there. That attributes that information to others.
DeleteThen, when pressed, he can never deliver the alleged quotes, because the story that formed in his mind was not to be found in the symbols on the screen.
Legionnaire Q is the prime example, he garners information from reading what is not there.
DeleteOh, I never look back, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, unless I am planning on going that way.
DeleteLegionnaire Q did inform us that you admitted to being an imbecile, yesterday.
Glad to see that you have begun admitting your deficiencies.
Now we will move on to the next step of your rehabilitation program ...
The above commentary by Jack Hawkins is to be discounted and not relied on as anything important, factual or true.
DeleteReaders are advised to "skip" past anything that Jack Hawkins says as he has admitted he doesn't care about truth or discussion, just rants and cut and paste
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ReplyDeleteBibi’s psychiatrist committed suicide because of Bibi
Bunk. There is not a single reputable report on such a note. You can add this to your store of drivel, including the Liberty.
It was on Facebook, a source you often reference.
DeleteThere is no reputable news report of Netanyahu having a psychiatrist. If he did, it would be a state secret as would be any record generated by such a relationship.
Delete... more agitprop from the anti-Semites ...
I smell dog shit.
Deleteagitprop, a specialty of the Zionists that murder Jews.
DeleteProjection?
DeleteHow many kids did you shoot to death in Central America as a paid black op?
Do those memories haunt you?
Comical delusions you have "O"rdure.
DeleteI do recall that allen did reference Facebook, when he posted that Baghdad was under threat of imminent attack and wold soon fall to the Daesh. That report was false, or at least exaggerated.
ReplyDeleteGotta be careful when sourcing from Facebook, told that to allen, at the time.
To attempt to argue with the above is senseless as he is incapable of being truthful.
DeleteThe readers are well aware of Jack hawkins history of dissection, this is why he now posts as "anon" as well.
WiO,
DeleteI smell dog shit.
allen, you still have not improved your personal hygiene, even after the last consoling session?
DeleteYep.
DeleteJack, look in the mirror, what you see is a human turd.
DeleteYou are the dog shit and it's smell
When you reference Anonymous, smile.
Deleteagitprop, a specialty of the Zionists that murder Jews.
DeleteZionists murder civilians, Jewish refugees in a False Flag operation
On Nov. 25, 1940, a boat carrying Jewish refugees from Nazi Europe,
exploded and sank off the coast of Palestine killing 252 people.
The Zionist “Haganah” claimed the passengers committed suicide to protest British refusal to let them land.
Years later, it admitted that rather than let the passengers go to Mauritius, it blew up the vessel for its propaganda value.
“Sometimes it is necessary to sacrifice the few in order to save the many,”
Moshe Sharett, a former Israeli Prime Minister said at memorial service in 1958.
http://beforeitsnews.com/strange/2013/03/zionists-led-jews-to-annihilation-in-ww2-2447940.html
If the Zionists smell dog shit, it is because they lack personal hygiene skills.
When you lack actual thoughts you fall back on posting nonsense.
DeleteVery telling...
If you believe the murder of Jews to be nonsense ... that's on you Zionist.
DeleteBut some of US take the murder of innocents to be a serious matter.
DeleteOne that should not be forgotten.
That to forget the “Patra” just another form of Zionist agitprop.
A Deep 2016 Republican Presidential Field Reflects Party Divisions
ReplyDelete...as the 2016 White House campaign effectively began in the last week, it became apparent that this race might be different: a fluid contest, verging on chaotic, that will showcase the party’s deep bench of talent but also highlight its ideological and generational divisions.
As Democrats signal that they are ready to rally behind Hillary Rodham Clinton before their primary season even begins, allowing them to focus their fund-raising and firepower mostly on the general election, the Republicans appear destined for a free-for-all.
“I can think of about 16 potential candidates,” said Haley Barbour, the former governor of Mississippi and a veteran of Republican presidential politics dating to 1968. “Almost every one of them have a starting point. But there is no true front-runner.”
...
Suicide blast at Afghan volleyball game kills around 50
ReplyDeleteAbout 50 people were killed and 60 others wounded when a suicide blast ripped through large crowds gathered to watch a volleyball game in eastern Afghanistan on Sunday, officials said.
Related Stories
President extends US combat role in Afghanistan: report AFP
Suicide bomber kills at least 45 Afghans Associated Press
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Suicide attackers target foreign compound in Kabul AFP
AP sources: Obama broadens mission in Afghanistan Associated Press
The attack, the deadliest blast in Afghanistan since 2011, struck during a tournament between three local teams in Paktika province, a volatile region bordering Pakistan.
"The suicide attacker was on a motorcycle, he detonated himself in the middle of a volleyball match," Attaullah Fazli, deputy governor of Paktika, told AFP.
"A lot of people including some provincial officials and the police chief were there. About 50 people have been killed, and 60 injured, a lot of them seriously."
The blast in Yahya Khail district of Paktika erupted at about 5:00 pm (1230 GMT) when hundreds of people were cheering on a match, provincial spokesman Mukhlis Afghan told AFP.
"The scale of the attack and its aftermath is shocking," he said. "We have asked Kabul to send us helicopters to take some of the critically wounded for treatment."
Wow.
And let's get our panties in a twist that Israel is building a new 7-11 and some apartments.
So you wear panties, "O"rdure, that is just so, so special, are they pink?
DeleteYour reading and comprehension skills keep declining...
DeleteI do not get upset about new apartments in Israel, I advocate it.
It's YOU whose panties are twisted...
All those years of hanging out in the gay bars and dressing in drag has left you addled.
Try READING and thinking before speaking (typing) you will sound less, shall we say, retarded?
Thieves respect property.
DeleteThey merely wish the property to become their property that they may more perfectly respect it.
~G.K. Chesterton
"O"rdure's pink panties are in a twist. Some one may take note that the 7-11 and apartments he referenced are being built on stolen land
Stolen? Jews have lived and owned that land for thousands of years.
DeleteNow, you live in Occupied AZ right?
By what right do you consider any of Arizona not stolen?
And the construction in Jerusalem of apartments are all being built on either vacate state lands OR mostly lands purchased by Jews that are alive today from previous land owners.
Although Jack would like it to be a crime for Jews to build homes in Israel, it is not a crime. Nor is it a crime for arabs to purchase land and build homes in Israel.
Maybe those that live on stolen Indian tribal lands should learn the meaning of stolen.
Jack Hawkins projects : "O"rdure's pink panties are in a twist.
DeleteSo Jack wears pink panties... gross
No, Jack is a commando.
DeleteBut not one of Israel's Social Media Commandos
According to Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz, the most recent proposition is being spearheaded by Danny Seaman, who was slammed by the media for writing anti-Muslim messages on Facebook.
Students will be organised into units at each university, with a chief co-ordinator who receives a full scholarship, three desk co-ordinators for language, graphics and research who receive lesser scholarships and students termed “activists” who will receive a “minimal scholarship”, the Independent reported.
FORMER DC MAYOR MARION BARRY DIES AT 78
ReplyDeleteWASHINGTON (AP) -- Divisive and flamboyant, maddening and beloved, Marion Barry outshone every politician in the 40-year history of District of Columbia self-rule. But for many, his legacy was not defined by the accomplishments and failures of his four terms as mayor and long service on the D.C. Council.
Instead, Barry will be remembered for a single night in a downtown Washington hotel room and the grainy video that showed him lighting a crack pipe in the company of a much-younger woman.
"Bitch set me up," Barry said when FBI agents burst in.
Satan takes home on of his finest....
Biden ends Turkey visit without new support for anti-ISIS coalition
ReplyDeleteNo “breakthrough” in talks, says source, as Ankara continues to insist that Assad must go
You should take note of this, Legionnaire Q.
Granted the US position may change, but not without an Act of Congress.
Might I suggest Jack, you focus on horse shit removal as that is your qualifications?
Deletereally, you just make a fool out of yourself.
Now we know you were unloved as a child and you sought negative attention, but know you are a crusty creepy old man....
really..
creepy..
sick....
whacked...
nutso....
crazzzy....
We know that both the Israeli and the NAZI embrace the concept of Lebensraum ("living space") as being a law of nature for all healthy and vigorous peoples of superior races …
DeleteReally?
DeleteIs that how you describe America with thousands of miles of living space?
Or maybe the Egyptians now creating a new zone for living space against the Palestinians...
Israel gave up 99% of all lands conquered in defensive wars...
I'll say it again...
Israel has given up 99% of all conquered lands gained in defensive wars for peace...
Hardly a "living" space.
But the Israelis, Jew and Christian alike, Arab, Druze and others, seek safety and peace from their savage neighbors to the north, east, south and west..
Funny thing? Israelis of arab decent? don't want to reconnect with their arab brethren....
They prefer living in Israel and being Israeli too...
1.2 MILLION arabs live in Israel as full citizens and refuse to leave...
"O"rdure is searching for equivalency, in all the wrong places.
DeleteThis was predictable:
ReplyDeleteThe US best hope for a strategic ally is with Iran. There is not much hope of either regime change or attitude adjustment with the Russians. China Inc. is still on the march. Our best friends the Sauds have been marginalized by our stumbling into energy independence. Israel is Israel. The Turks are worthless. Egypt is one coup away from who knows what. Get practical, get smart. Make the deal with Iran and return to the former US policy recognized that Iran for what it was and is, the best deal that we can make in the ME if we absolutely have to be there.
keep dreaming.
DeleteAs Iran keeps adding nation after nation to it's control (thanks obama) there will be a time, soon, when Iran turns it's attention to America.
Iran's policy is clear, as it celebrates it's national holiday "Death to The Great Satan" (america) day.
When your enemies tell you they want to kill you, listen.
That's insane Deuce.
DeleteThere was a coup and Iran was the staunch ally of the US for decades, then there was an election.
DeleteUS air strikes in Syria are encouraging anti-regime fighters to forge alliances with or even defect to Islamic State (Isis), according to a series of interviews conducted by the Guardian.
ReplyDeleteFighters from the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and Islamic military groups are joining forces with Isis, which has gained control of swaths of Syria and Iraq and has beheaded six western hostages in the past few months.
Some brigades have transferred their allegiance, while others are forming tactical alliances or truces. Support among civilians also appears to be growing in some areas as a result of resentment over US-led military action.
“Isis now is like a magnet that attracts large numbers of Muslims,” said Abu Talha, who defected from the FSA a few months ago and is now in negotiations with other fighters from groups such as the al-Nusra Front to follow suit.
Assam Murad, a fighter from a 600-strong dissident FSA brigade near Homs said: “There’s no way we would fight Isis after the US military campaign against them.”
A third man, Abu Zeid, the commander of an FSA brigade near Idlib and a defector from President Bashar al-Assad’s army, said: “All the locals here wonder why the US coalition never came to rescue them from Assad’s machine guns, but run to fight Isis when it took a few pieces of land. We were in a robust fight against Isis for confiscating our liberated areas, but now, if we are not in an alliance, we are in a truce with them.”
These and other Syrian fighters told the Guardian in interviews by phone and Skype that the US campaign is turning the attitudes of Syrian opposition groups and fighters in favour of Isis. Omar Waleed, an FSA fighter in Hama, north of Damascus, said: “I’m really scared that eventually most of the people will join Isis out of their disappointment with the US administration. Just have a look on social media websites, and you can see lots of people and leaders are turning to the side of Isis.
To the readers of the blog, the above commentary of Jack Hawkins is specious, out of context, out of date and misleading.
DeleteOnce the pieces are in play, it is nearly impossible to turn back the clock.
DeleteThere were grave miscalculations made, that the people of the US would accept al-Qeada operatives as 'freedom fighters', or that the US public could accept al-Qeada operatives taking power in Syria.
The idea that ISIS could be made into an anti-al-Qeada, perhaps found traction in the neo-con ranks, but was never going to fly with the US public.
Now the US is in tacit alliance with Assad, in the fight at Kobane. With the support of the Kurds, who are allied with the Alawites and Christians, all backing Assad rather than embracing the radical Wahhabi.
The neo-con plot has not played out according to plan. Assad is being strengthened, not diminished.
"O"rdure's pink panties are truly twisted.
To the readers of the blog, the above commentary of Jack Hawkins is specious, out of context, out of date and misleading.
DeleteCheck the links, read the sources yourselves.
DeleteIsrael will willingly accept al-Qeada operatives taking ower in Syria.
It is what the Israeli Ambassador to the US told the JPost, a little over a year ago.
Israeli policy has not changed.
If it had, our little piece of "O"rdure would provide a link to the source.
Israel will willingly accept al-Qeada operatives taking power in Syria
Delete{;-)
Deuce ☂Sun Nov 23, 12:55:00 PM EST
ReplyDeleteUS air strikes in Syria are encouraging anti-regime fighters to forge alliances with or even defect to Islamic State (Isis), according to a series of interviews conducted by the Guardian.
Fighters from the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and Islamic military groups are joining forces with Isis, which has gained control of swaths of Syria and Iraq and has beheaded six western hostages in the past few months.
Some brigades have transferred their allegiance, while others are forming tactical alliances or truces. Support among civilians also appears to be growing in some areas as a result of resentment over US-led military action.
ISIS is evil and responding to a greater evil that Iran, Syria, Hezboolah are all doing to the Sunnis of syria and iraq.
Isis has murdered scores, even tens of thousands of innocents. On the other hand, Assad of syria, with direct support of Iran, and Hezbollah have murdered almost 300,000 men, women and babies. And made almost 12,000,000 syrians homeless.
One has to wonder at the approach of the Obama bombing mission to kill the head cutters of ISIS when the truth? iran and Syria use barrel bombs and kill scores and scores every week.
There is no good solution, but propping up Assad and helping Iran achieve hegemony in the middle east is not the solution.
A partial list of former US enemies, now not:
ReplyDelete* England
* Mississippi
* Spain
* Virginia
* Italy
* North Carolina
* Viet Nam
* South Carolina
* Rumania
* Alabama
* Germany
* Georgia
* Japan
* Tennessee
* Iraq
* Kentucky
* Mexico
* Maryland
Three on the list we killed in the millions. Iran is no threat to the US. Iran is just another on the list.
Kill millions of Iranians, change the society, make 'em friends, you are suggesting?
DeleteCause with the mullahs running things that's the only way.
You are delusional.
OBAMA ADMIN ADMITS IT INFLATED OBAMACARE NUMBERS BY 1.3 MILLION
ReplyDeleteAngela Leslie has stepped forward as the eighth woman accusing Bill Cosby of sexual assault.
ReplyDeleteGeorgetown professor Michael Eric Dyson says Cosby allegations were an "open secret."
DeleteA raped girl is bad for the family: it shows that they can’t protect their women;
Deletethat they have little social standing; and that they’re not respectable.
It’s worse for the victim because once a woman, or a girl—or a boy—is known as the target of a rape she becomes so despised, so shamed, so worthless that she turns into public property.
No one is raped only once.
― Louise Brown,
The Dancing Girls of Lahore:
Selling Love and Saving Dreams in Pakistan's Pleasure District
When jack finds no one to talk to?
DeleteHe invents "friends"....
He also projects.
One can only read his topics of rape, abortion and hated of Jews and Israel to get a feel for the demons he is hiding...
Classic insane rat rants there, Jack Hawkins.
ReplyDeleteAre you tired from it all?
I'd think you'd be exhausted.
What in the world are you writing about, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson?
DeleteAre you still hearing voices, emanating form the blog?
The poster who goes by the name "jack" has a disorder.
DeleteNarcissistic Personality Disorder...
It's a real sickness.
ReplyDeleteAsia Pacific
Hour’s Drive Outside Kabul, Taliban Reign
By AZAM AHMEDNOV. 22, 2014
Photo
Afghan forces responding in August after a Humvee was ambushed by the Taliban in the Tagab district of Kapisa Province. Credit Andrew Quilty for The New York Times
CHARKALAH, Afghanistan — The explosion ripped through the floor of the Humvee, tearing a hole in the armored vehicle and injuring the district governor. The crack of Taliban gunfire followed.
Seeking cover, the Afghan police convoy sped behind a mud compound and unleashed a hail of bullets. Undeterred, the Taliban fighters edged closer. As bullets smacked around his head, an Afghan soldier in a white head scarf crouched behind a waist-high wall trading shots with the insurgents, a cigarette tucked in his lips.
“This is our daily life,” said the police chief of Tagab district, a mostly Taliban-controlled patch of Kapisa Province about an hour from Kabul, as rounds struck the compound’s edges, showering his men with dirt. “Everything is like this — you can see it with your own eyes.”
In areas like this, it is the government that operates in the shadows, following the dictates of the Taliban in order to stay alive.......
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/23/world/hours-drive-outside-kabul-taliban-reign.html?_r=0
The Emperor told us all this was the important war, the war we had to win, remember? Iraq was not so important.
We have lost both.
Yep, you are correct about that.
DeleteNo 'Western' power ever 'won' in Afghanistan, and none ever will.
Iraq, Mr Bush declared the 'Mission Accomplished' with the will of the people expressed in those 'purple ink elections'.
Over a trillion dollars wasted, and Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson advocates the US should invade Iraq, again.
The "Draft Dodger" has not commented upon his preferred choice of strategies with regards Afghanistan.
Dear Readers of the blog.
DeletePlease IGNORE the writings of Jack Hawkins as he has a proven record of lies, misdirection and distortion.
I was.
DeleteObamaCare Enrollment Numbers Have Been Bogus
Posted 11/21/2014 06:35 PM ET
Lying With Statistics: In April, we doubted that the surprisingly high ObamaCare enrollment numbers could be trusted. Turns out, we were right to be skeptical. The White House had been vastly inflating the figures all along.
This week, Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Burwell admitted that her agency had accidentally counted those who'd signed up for stand-alone dental benefits in its health insurance numbers, padding its latest enrollment data by nearly 400,000 — or 6%.
"This mistake was unacceptable," Burwell said. But don't worry: The fact that they "quickly corrected the number should give people confidence."
Never mind that she admitted the "mistake" only after the House Oversight Committee exposed the book-cooking scheme.
Anyone who had been following IBD's reporting on this wouldn't be surprised at all.
In fact, IBD has been one of the few news outlets that remained resolutely skeptical about the claims coming out of the White House — and parroted by a sycophantic mainstream press — that ObamaCare's first-year enrollment had been wildly successful.
We noted in April that the last-minute sign-up surge touted by the White House was hard to fathom, because it was so out of line with other available enrollment data.
After that, we consistently pointed out that the administration was goosing its numbers by counting anyone who'd completed an application, not those who paid their premiums, and that they were simply adding new "enrollees" onto old ones, without subtracting duplicates or cancellations.
In July, we were the only publication to pick up a finding buried in an Inspector General reportthat the administration's enrollment numbers were unreliable because "it cannot effectively monitor the current enrollment status of applicants, such as ... termination of plans."
At the time, we calculated paid enrollment was more like 7.2 million or less, not 8 million as everyone continued to insist.
DeleteIn August, another Page 1 IBD storynoted how insurers were reporting sharp drops in ObamaCare enrollment, as people either failed to pay their premiums or canceled coverage on their own for other reasons.
And an October dispatch argued that even the 7.3 million number the White House released at the time was too high.
The response to these stories generally ranged from indifference to ridicule.
Charles Gaba, an ObamaCare booster who runs a site called ACASignups.net, which has been widely cited as a credible independent source of enrollment numbers, at one point blasted IBD for "mangling" his data. He said paid ObamaCare enrollment was upward of 8 million by the summer.
Gaba's own spreadsheets now show that paid enrollment — net of attrition — was 6.9 million in July.
That is 300,000 less than IBD had calculated.
And they suggest that ObamaCare paid enrollment never got anywhere near 8 million.
Reporters covering the latest ObamaCare deception say they can't understand why the White House would do such a thing. Gaba says he's "upset" and feels as though the White House has been "jerking me around."
Backers point out that 7 million paid enrollees is just what the Congressional Budget Office originally forecast. The only complaint they have is that the White House seems to have needlessly shot itself in the foot.
The problem is that this is just the latest in a long string of lies and deceptions, some of which were highlighted in Jonathan Gruber's infamous videos, and all of which were meant to mask ObamaCare problems, or exaggerate its successes.
The only shocking thing about the latest revelation is that so many who should have known better were blindsided by it.
Read More At Investor's Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-obama-care/112114-727670-obamacare-enrollment-numbers-have-been-bogus-all-along.htm#ixzz3JvNtmZRX
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Suicide blast at Afghan volleyball game kills 50................drudge
ReplyDeleteJesus.
What does Jesus have to do with Afghanistan?
DeleteJesus lives in Mexico, it is a very popular name, there.
Really, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, you are flailing.
DeleteI challenge you to explain the relevance of the name 'Jesus' to the story.
I doubt that even one of the victims of that bombing was named Jesus.
While with regards to the government sanctioned murder of 42 Normalistas in Mexico, there was probably a Jesus, or two, amongst them.
I challenge you to get a life...
DeleteI see above rato shitto is lying about what others have said here, once again.
ReplyDeleteHe does this all the time.
I think the Seahawks game starts at 1:00 pm here........
Cite the alleged misquote, give up a time stamp and I will explain it to you, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson.
DeleteTime stamps are meaningless after all your deleted posts are gone from public sight...
DeleteBut we all KNOW your crimes..
And the readers of the blog?
KNOW your crimes.
ReplyDeleteGovBeat
Seattle mayor pardons Tofurky, because it’s Seattle
By Reid Wilson November 22
(City of Seattle)
Seattle is a strange city. There’s a giant troll under one of the city’s main bridges, a giant statue of Vladimir Lenin on a random street corner and an annual Spam carving contest to take in. The neighborhood with the Lenin statue, Fremont, encourages visitors to set their watches 5 minutes ahead, because Fremont is the self-proclaimed center of the universe.
Everyone calls the cool new mass transit project the SLUT — the South Lake Union Trolley — without batting an eye. Seahawks fans celebrating the city’s first Super Bowl championship in February waited patiently for street lights to change so they wouldn’t jaywalk.
In short, all the stereotypes of politically correct, coffee-slurping, nature-loving, Birkenstock-wearing hippie-dom come to life in a single city are true. (This author happens to be a native, so he can say such things.)
So, perhaps in keeping with the city’s strange reputation, Mayor Ed Murray took a decidedly vegan spin on the Thanksgiving tradition of pardoning a turkey: He pardoned a Tofurky.
Actually, Murray pardoned two of them. One, Braeburn, got the official pardon. The other, Honeycrisp, is described in a press release from the mayor’s office as an “understudy,” perhaps because one of the Tofurkeys, which come in a box and to be perfectly clear have never been nor ever will be alive, might have been camera-shy.
Actual line from the press release: “‘I, Mayor Murray, pardon Braeburn the Tofurky,’ the mayor proclaimed in the atrium of Seattle City Hall.” Provocative and moving.
For the uninitiated, Tofurkey is a brand of vegetarian food made of wheat protein and tofu that’s supposed to taste like turkey. It looks like a meatloaf, but, well, it’s not.
The Tofurkeys will be donated to the Rainier Valley Food Bank, which doesn’t really sound like they’re getting pardoned at all. Murray’s office is challenging the city council to a food drive; the winner gets doughnuts.
Reid Wilson covers state politics and policy for the Washington Post's GovBeat blog. He's a former editor in chief of The Hotline, the premier tip sheet on campaigns and elections, and he's a complete political junkie
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/11/22/seattle-mayor-pardons-tofurky-because-its-seattle/
Seattle sucks.
Didn't use to, but does now.
The world has stayed the course, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, your perception of it is all that has changed.
DeleteLiving a lie all those years, it just has finally caught up to you.
BobSun Jun 22, 01:42:00 PM EDT
When did I ever say I was a scholar??
I don't recall saying that.
I have a college degree in English Lit. from U of Washington.
To avoid being drafted in part. ...
You admitted to being an imbecile with regards to geography ...
... now take the next step in the rehabilitation process, admit you are a "Draft Dodger"
In Vino Veritas
Your adulteration of the English language sets a precedent.
DeleteYou, a self admitted killer of civilian in central america, under Ollie North, have given us the permission to call you "a child murderer". Now take the next step in the rehabilitation process, admit you are a killer of children.
The truth will set you free, admit it AGAIN, you have blood of innocence on your hands...
The nightmares of the faces of all the murdered call out to you...
remember those faces? the cloud of blood? the crooked grin you got from all those killed?
oh my bad, all those murdered....
Turn yourself in to the war crimes commission, if you do? we will make sure you get fresh horse riding magazines til you die in prison..
I'll send him 'Horse Illustrated', 'Horse and Rider', and 'Equus'.
DeleteJust admit to what you wrote while intoxicated, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson.
DeleteIn Vino Veritas
Egypt could send peacekeepers to a future Palestinian state, Sissi says
ReplyDeleteBibi will not allow NATO, but could he be persuaded to allow Egyptian troops to deploy into Israel/Palestine?
{;-)
Egypt may be allowed to return to it's former land mass called "gaza". Gaza belonged to Egypt and should be given back to Egypt.
DeleteMaybe now Egypt has learned that when you use land for terror, terror comes back to bite you...
Time to end the gaza question with it's reunification with Egypt, along with the 1.2 million residents.
Of course, any violence that comes from the gaza strip with be egypt's responsibility.
Maybe after egypt executes several thousand hamas and moslem brotherhood members it will be safe for joining Egypt.
This might be really good -
ReplyDeleteNovember 23, 2014
Stephen Hawking, Unbound
By Marion DS Dreyfus
The Theory of Everything
Directed by James Marsh
Written by Jane Hawking (book) and Anthony McCarten (screenplay)
Reviewed by Marion DS Dreyfus
It is by now axiomatic that Eddie Redmayne “does” Stephen Hawking remarkably well. He studied ALS patients, viewed dozens of films, and met Hawking several times. Hawking has even endorsed Redmayne’s characterization as accurate.
At one point in this engrossing film about the astrophysicist who has outlived his doctor’s predictions by some 40-plus years, Redmayne as Hawking is in his wheelchair, curled up in the well-known curled fiddlehead fern posture, when a young student in the audience drops her pen. Imagining he will ‘rescue’ the lady and retrieve her pen, Redmayne/Hawking steps gallantly and invisibly out of his wheelchair, straightens up to his full height and his handsome visage, strides down the few steps, lifts the red ballpoint from its inconspicuous place on the floor, and gently flourishes it to the collegian, who smiles. Breathtaking to see the transformation both out of Hawking, then back in.
The sensitive audience gasps, since it may be an imaginary episode, but seeing Redmayne for over an hour angled into the unnatural poses forced by Hawking’s disease (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis), one is shocked and alarmed that he can so easily uncrook himself. Indeed, far from being disabled and less than fully presentable, Redmayne in life was a recent contender for People’s annual Sexiest Man Alive this year. That he lost to ‘Thor,’ Liam Hemsworth, is no slur on Redmayne.
The film surprises in showing us the passage of Hawking from a ‘normal’ collegian, through his romance with first wife, Jane (an outstanding Felicity Jones), through the steady and incorrigible decline of his faculties of mobility and, eventually, even speech. The audience for the film itself surprises in not being uniformly PhD candidates, but regular people who might also attend flip entertainments like the embarrassing Dumb And Dumber To. (Note to English teachers: Rail against this abuse of homonyms. Hard enough to get texting maniacs to acknowledge spelling of any kind, what with Spell Check ruling the roost, let alone marketing an entire mass heehaw with a deliberate misspelling in its title.)
Others in the cast are equally good, including the now-husband of Jane, played by an excellent Tom Prior, who was such a help to the Hawking duo with their three children, and the now-wife of Hawking (who even in his wheelchair managed to gather his rosebuds a second time. Evidently though not much else on his physiognomy worked, that still worked fine).
Though the subject matter of space is fascinating, few in a general audience know much of the specialized vocabulary, dark matter, wormholes and novae that form the bread and butter of such as Hawking, but the film does not condescend, and it shows a magnificent Jane holding her own in explaining the larger outlines of what her husband does. We don’t, on the other hand, get very much of the stuff of the field, and attending the recent American Museum of Natural History’s first extremely fun-filled and informative Hackathon, on space and all the majestic mysteries attached thereunto, I am happy to see the field is getting much-needed attention. Finally.
Redmayne conveys with a twinkle the sharp wit that is Hawking’s, amazingly enough. We are by now more familiar with Hawking’s robotic voice than we were with his organic original. I predict that ideas of Hawking will now devolve more on Redmayne’s portrayal of the scientist than on the man himself, much as many of our latter-day impressions of famed historical figure recent and past tend to transmute into their movie personnae.
In the case of Theory/Everything, little damage will accrue if we do so in this case.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/11/stephen_hawking_unbound.html#ixzz3JvSyKopY
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Livni, Lapid say they won't support Jewish nation-state bill
ReplyDelete"Yesh Atid and I are for a nation-state bill, just not this nation-state bill," said Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid.
"The bill submitted today to the government puts a Jewish state before democracy. Ben-Gurion would not approve this bill. Begin and Jabotinsky would not approve it. It is an anti-democratic bill. Neither I nor Yesh Atid will vote on Wednesday for the nation-state bill as it was submitted."
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.628099
DeleteAh Mr Headline strikes again...
DeleteTell us what the article, in full says Mr cheapskate...
Funny how Jack Rat spends so much time reading all about Israel...
DeleteMeanwhile there is horse shit to muck... His boss may be pissed...
Oh that's right, he done got run off that plot of land he was squatting on....
If you are interested in the story, "O"rdure, just click on the link.
DeleteDeuce: Three on the list we killed in the millions. Iran is no threat to the US. Iran is just another on the list.
ReplyDeleteIf and when the Mullahs of Iran embrace the legitimacy of the Nation of the USA? Stops calls for the destruction of America? Stops funding billions and billions of dollars trying to murder Americans, Europeans and yes Israelis?
Then Iran is welcome to come back and be an ally of the USA>
But if you think for a moment, the USA will be "friends" with a nation that is actively trying to genocide the Jews? Nuke parts of Europe and the USA? Hang women from cranes? Execute gays?
You are on kool aid.
Iran - a strategic partner for peace...................it's nuts under the current government there..........
DeleteIt was for decades ... All that changed, Israeli intransigence intensified.
DeleteSeaSquawks on the air !!
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Iraqi forces say they have recaptured two towns northeast of Baghdad from Islamic State (IS) militants.
ReplyDeleteSome 50 IS fighters were killed while being driven out of the towns of Jawalha and Saadiya on November 23 by the Iraqi National Army, Shi'ite militias, and Kurdish Peshmerga forces, according to Iraqi and Kurdish sources.
9 - 3 Seattle ahead at half time.
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