ISIS recruiting video:
Iranians prepare for the ISIS invasion:
Let’s summarize:
Does the US Government “support” or “not support” terrorism depending on the situation?
Yes.
Yes.
Have foreign Intel agencies supplied terrorist organizations in Syria with weapons and logistical support?
Yes.
Yes.
Has the CIA?
Yes.
Yes.
Has the Obama administration signaled that they would like to get rid of al Maliki or greatly reduce his power?
Yes.
Yes.
Is this because they think the present arrangement strengthens Iran’s regional influence?
Yes.
Yes.
Will Isis invade Baghdad?
No. (This is just a guess, but I expect that something has been already worked out between the Obama team and the Baathist leaders. If Baghdad was really in danger, Obama would probably be acting with greater earnestness.)
No. (This is just a guess, but I expect that something has been already worked out between the Obama team and the Baathist leaders. If Baghdad was really in danger, Obama would probably be acting with greater earnestness.)
Will Syria and Iraq be partitioned?
Yes.
Yes.
Is Isis a CIA creation?
No. According to Ziad Fadel, “ISIS is the creation of the one man who played Alqaeda like a yo-yo. Bandar bin Sultan.”
No. According to Ziad Fadel, “ISIS is the creation of the one man who played Alqaeda like a yo-yo. Bandar bin Sultan.”
Does Isis take orders from Washington or the CIA?
Probably not, although their actions appear to coincide with US strategic objectives. (which is the point!)
Probably not, although their actions appear to coincide with US strategic objectives. (which is the point!)
Is Obama’s reluctance to launch an attack on Isis indicate that he wants to diminish Iran’s power in Iraq, redraw the map of the Middle East, and create politically powerless regions run by warlords and tribal leaders?
Yes, yes and yes.
Yes, yes and yes.
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The ISIS Fiasco: It’s Really an Attack on Iran
For Once, Not a CIA Plot?
By Mike Whitney
Global Research, June 20, 2014
CounterPunch 18 June 2014
Region: Middle East & North Africa, USA
In-depth Report: IRAQ REPORT
There’s something that doesn’t ring-true about the coverage of crisis in Iraq. Maybe it’s the way the media reiterates the same, tedious storyline over and over again with only the slightest changes in the narrative. For example, I was reading an article in the Financial Times by Council on Foreign Relations president, Richard Haass, where he says that Maliki’s military forces in Mosul “melted away”. Interestingly, the Haass op-ed was followed by a piece by David Gardener who used almost the very same language. He said the “army melts away.” So, I decided to thumb through the news a bit and see how many other journalists were stung by the “melted away” bug. And, as it happens, there were quite a few, including Politico, NBC News, News Sentinel, Global Post, the National Interest, ABC News etc. Now, the only way an unusual expression like that would pop up with such frequency would be if the authors were getting their talking points from a central authority. (which they probably do.) But the effect, of course, is the exact opposite than what the authors intend, that is, these cookie cutter stories leave readers scratching their heads and feeling like something fishy is going on.
And something fishy IS going on. The whole fable about 1,500 jihadis scaring the pants off 30,000 Iraqi security guards to the point where they threw away their rifles, changed their clothes and headed for the hills, is just not believable. I don’t know what happened in Mosul, but, I’ll tell you one thing, it wasn’t that. That story just doesn’t pass the smell test.
And what happened in Mosul matters too, because nearly every journalist and pundit in the MSM is using the story to discredit Maliki and suggest that maybe Iraq would be better off without him. Haass says that it shows that the army’s “allegiance to the government is paper thin”. Gardener says its a sign of “a fast failing state.” Other op-ed writers like Nicolas Kristof attack Maliki for other reasons, like being too sectarian. Here’s Kristof:
“The debacle in Iraq isn’t President Obama’s fault. It’s not the Republicans’ fault. Both bear some responsibility, but, overwhelmingly, it’s the fault of the Iraqi prime minister, Nouri Kamal al-Maliki.”
Of course, Kristof is no match for the imperial mouthpiece, Tom Friedman. When it comes to pure boneheaded bluster, Friedman is still numero uno. Here’s how the jowly pundit summed it up in an article in the Sunday Times titled “Five Principles for Iraq”:
“Iraq’s Shiite prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, has proved himself not to be a friend of a democratic, pluralistic Iraq either. From Day 1, he has used his office to install Shiites in key security posts, drive out Sunni politicians and generals and direct money to Shiite communities. In a word, Maliki has been a total jerk. Besides being prime minister, he made himself acting minister of defense, minister of the interior and national security adviser, and his cronies also control the Central Bank and the Finance Ministry.
Maliki had a choice — to rule in a sectarian way or in an inclusive way — and he chose sectarianism. We owe him nothing.” (Five Principles for Iraq, Tom Freidman, New York Times)
Leave it to Friedman, eh? In other words, the reason Iraq is such a mess, has nothing to do with the invasion, the occupation, the death squads, Abu Ghraib, the Salvador Option, the decimated infrastructure, the polluted environment, or the vicious sectarian war the US ignited with its demented counterinsurgency program. Oh, no. The reason Iraq is a basketcase is because Maliki is a jerk. Maliki is sectarian. Bad Maliki.
Sound familiar? Putin last week. Maliki this week. Who’s next?
In any event, there is a rational explanation for what happened in Mosul although I cannot verify its authenticity. Check out this post at Syria Perspectives blog:
“…the Iraqi Ba’ath Party’s primary theoretician and Saddam’s right-hand man, ‘Izzaat Ibraaheem Al-Douri, himself a native of Mosul…was searching out allies in a very hostile post-Saddam Iraq … Still on the run and wanted for execution by the Al-Maliki government, Al-Douri still controlled a vast network of Iraqi Sunni Ba’athists who operated in a manner similar to the old Odessa organization that helped escaped Nazis after WWII … he did not have the support structure needed to oust Al-Maliki, so, he found an odd alliance in ISIS through the offices of Erdoghan and Bandar. Our readers should note that the taking of Mosul was accomplished by former Iraqi Ba’athist officers suspiciously abandoning their posts and leaving a 52,000 man military force without any leadership thereby forcing a complete collapse of the city’s defenses. The planning and collaboration cannot be coincidental.” (THE INNER CORE OF ISIS – THE INVASIVE SPECIES, Ziad Fadel, Syrian Perspectives)
I’ve read variations of this same explanation on other blogs, but I have no way of knowing whether they’re true or not. But what I do know, is that it’s a heckuva a lot more believable than the other explanation mainly because it provides enough background and detail to make the scenario seem plausible. The official version–the “melts away” version– doesn’t do that at all. It just lays out this big bogus story expecting people to believe it on faith alone. Why? Because it appeared in all the papers?
That seems like a particularly bad reason for believing anything.
And the “army melting away” story is just one of many inconsistencies in the official media version of events. Another puzzler is why Obama allowed the jihadis to rampage across Iraq without lifting a finger to help. Does that strike anyone else as a bit odd?
When was the last time an acting president failed to respond immediately and forcefully to a similar act of aggression?
Never. The US always responds. And the pattern is always the same. “Stop what you are doing now or we’re going to bomb you to smithereens.” Isn’t that the typical response?
Sure it is. But Obama delivered no such threat this time. Instead, he’s qualified his support for al-Maliki saying that the beleaguered president must “begin accommodating Sunni participation in his government” before the US will lend a hand. What kind of lame response is that? Check out this blurb from MNI News:
“President Barack Obama Friday warned Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki that the United States wants him to begin accommodating Sunni participation in his government, or see the United States withhold the help he needs, short of U.S. troops on the ground, to ward off an attack on Baghdad.
Obama added the emphasis of an appearance before TV cameras to his midday message, that while he will be considering options for some military intervention in the days ahead, the next move is up to Maliki.”
(Obama Warns Iraq’s Maliki,Looking for Sunni-Shia Accommodation, MNI)
(Obama Warns Iraq’s Maliki,Looking for Sunni-Shia Accommodation, MNI)
Have you ever read such nonsense in your life? Imagine if , let’s say, the jihadi hordes had gathered just 50 miles outside of London and were threatening to invade at any minute. Do you think Obama would deliver the same message to UK Prime Minister David Cameron?
“Gee, Dave, we’d really like to help out, but you need to put a couple of these guys in your government first. Would that be okay, Dave? Just think of it as affirmative action for terrorists.”
It might sound crazy, but that’s what Obama wants Maliki to do. So, what’s going on here? Why is Obama delivering ultimatums when he should be helping out? Could it be that Obama has a different agenda than Maliki’s and that the present situation actually works to his benefit?
It sure looks that way. Just take a look at what Friedman says further on in the same article. It helps to clarify the point. He says:
“Maybe Iran, and its wily Revolutionary Guards Quds Force commander, Gen. Qassem Suleimani, aren’t so smart after all. It was Iran that armed its Iraqi Shiite allies with the specially shaped bombs that killed and wounded many American soldiers. Iran wanted us out. It was Iran that pressured Maliki into not signing an agreement with the U.S. to give our troops legal cover to stay in Iraq. Iran wanted to be the regional hegemon. Well, Suleimani: “This Bud’s for you.” Now your forces are overextended in Syria, Lebanon and Iraq, and ours are back home. Have a nice day.” (5 Principles for Iraq, Tom Friedman, New York Times)
Interesting, eh? Friedman basically admits that this whole fiasco is about Iran who turned out to be the biggest winner in the Iraq War sweepstakes. Naturally, that pisses off people in Washington, Tel Aviv and Riyadh to no end, so they’ve cooked up this goofy plan to either remove Maliki altogether or significantly trim his wings. Isn’t that what’s going on? And that’s why Obama is holding a gun to Maliki’s head and telling him what hoops he has to jump through in order to get US help. Because he’s determined to weaken Iran’s hegemonic grip on Baghdad.
Friedman also notes the Status of Forces agreement which would have allowed U.S. troops to stay in Iraq. Al Maliki rejected the deal which enraged Washington setting the stage for this latest terrorist farce. Obama intends to reverse that decision by hook or crook. This is just the way Washington does business, by twisting arms and breaking legs. Everybody knows this.
To understand what’s going on today in Iraq, we need to know a little history. In 2002, The Bush administration commissioned the Rand Corporation “to develop a Shaping Strategy for pacifying Muslim populations where the US has commercial or strategic interests.” The plan they came up with–which was called “US Strategy in the Muslim World after 9-11”– recommended that the US, “Align its policy with Shiite groups who aspire to have more participation in government and greater freedoms of political and religious expression. If this alignment can be brought about, it could erect a barrier against radical Islamic movements and may create a foundation for a stable U.S. position in the Middle East.”
The Bushies decided to follow this wacky plan which proved to be a huge tactical error. By throwing their weight behind the Shia, they triggered a massive Sunni rebellion that initiated as many as 100 attacks per day on US soldiers. That, in turn, led to a savage US counterinsurgency that wound up killing tens of thousands of Sunnis while reducing much of the country to ruins. Petraeus’ vicious onslaught was concealed behind the misleading PR smokescreen of sectarian civil war. It was actually a genocidal war against the people who Obama now tacitly supports in Mosul and Tikrit.
So there’s been a huge change of policy, right? And the fact that the US has taken a hands-off approach to Isis suggests that the Obama administration has abandoned the Rand strategy altogether and is looking for ways to support Sunni-led groups in their effort to topple the Al Assad regime in Damascus, weaken Hezbollah, and curtail Iran’s power in the region. While the strategy is ruthless and despicable, at least it makes sense in the perverted logic of imperial expansion, which the Rand plan never did.
What is happening in Iraq today was anticipated in a 2007 Seymour Hersh article titled “The Redirection.” Author Tony Cartalucci gives a great summary of the piece in his own article. He says:
“The Redirection,” documents…US, Saudi, and Israeli intentions to create and deploy sectarian extremists region-wide to confront Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah in Lebanon. Hersh would note that these “sectarian extremists” were either tied to Al Qaeda, or Al Qaeda itself. The ISIS army moving toward Baghdad is the final manifestation of this conspiracy, a standing army operating with impunity, threatening to topple the Syrian government, purge pro-Iranian forces in Iraq, and even threatening Iran itself by building a bridge from Al Qaeda’s NATO safe havens in Turkey, across northern Iraq, and up to Iran’s borders directly…
It is a defacto re-invasion of Iraq by Western interests – but this time without Western forces directly participating – rather a proxy force the West is desperately attempting to disavow any knowledge of or any connection to.” (America’s Covert Re-Invasion of Iraq, Tony Cartalucci, Information Clearinghouse)
So, now we’re getting to the crux of the matter, right? Now we should be able to identify the policy that is guiding events. What we know for sure is that the US wants to break Iran’s grip on Iraq. But how do they plan to achieve that; that’s the question?
Well, they could use their old friends the Baathists who they’ve been in touch with since 2007. That might work. But then they’d have to add a few jihadis to the mix to make it look believable.
Okay. But does that mean that Obama is actively supporting Isis?
No, not necessarily. Isis is already connected to other Intel agencies and might not need direct support from the US. (Note: Many analysts have stated that the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) receives generous donations from Saudi Arabia and Qatar, both of whom are staunch US allies. According to London’s Daily Express: “through allies such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the West (has) supported militant rebel groups which have since mutated into ISIS and other al‑Qaeda connected militias. ( Daily Telegraph, June 12, 2014)
What’s important as far as Obama is concerned, is that the strategic objectives of Isis and those of the United States coincide. Both entities seek greater political representation for Sunnis, both want to minimize Iranian influence in Iraq, and both support a soft partition plan that former president of the Council on Foreign Relations, Leslie H. Gelb, called “The only viable strategy to correct (Iraq ‘s) historical defect and move in stages toward a three-state solution: Kurds in the north, Sunnis in the center and Shiites in the south.” This is why Obama hasn’t attacked the militia even though it has marched to within 50 miles of Baghdad. It’s because the US benefits from these developments.
Is this fantastic?
ReplyDeleteIt's not a CIA operation, they can't even keep from zipping their peckers in their fly after they take a piss.
DeleteWhen this first happened, I speculated and Allen agreed that there was a remarkable strategy at work.
ReplyDeleteThis insightful article is a must read if you have any interest in what's happening in Iraq. My one question is what evidence is there of the tie between Bandar bin Sultan. I'm not challenging it. I'd just like to know more.
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DeleteThere are more things upon which we agree than you realize.
In the case of ISIS, they moved like a professional army in every way. While bloodthirsty, they displayed a high level of discipline found in Western armies. Their thrusts were straight out of textbook accounts of classic battles. In short, there was a general staff directing the operation with the brains and muscle to gain the loyalty of their troops, strengthened by their rapid advances upon specific targets. Moreover, capturing vast quantities of weaponry and supplies and then redirect those toward another front while in the middle of a battle takes courage and a well-developed, well understood plan. This is the Western way of waging war. The question remains, who is responsible for the long range planning and financing of this brilliant assault and to what end. It does have the smell of Russia, but it is too elegant to be Russian alone. Time will tell.
As written before, Baghdad is not the target of the moment. Baghdad will offer juicy targets in terms of money, supplies, weapons, and hostages of strategic value. The city also, will give ISIS countless chances to wreak terror and take the steam out of the boilers of large but unruly mobs of militias. As your article pointed out, such tactics as massacring entire brigades will undermine the morale of both the city’s civilians and its poorly constituted militias. But to attempt to invest and conquer a city the size of Baghdad is now beyond the ability of ISIS. Leaving it crippled and cringing in fear is not. Mass, unimpeded civilian flight from the city is a distinct possibility, which will further hamper the Iranian defenses to the south. Such evacuations will draw away Iranian troop strength by forcing the processing, observation, and “guarding” of their Shia allies.
Hezbollah units will be drawn down in Iraq as the Syrian military situation deteriorates as it must. As Syria crumbles, the Lebanese homeland becomes vulnerable to sectarian and patriotic attacks on what has become Hezbollah terrain. Already weakened by losses across the large war zone, Hezbollah must also contemplate strategic Israeli drives toward the Litani River, leaving isolated, weakened units at the DMZ vulnerable to envelopment that would press these units into the jaws of the IDF at the current weakened border. The dismemberment of Hezbollah by the various forces aligned against it, will force Assad to withdraw to a relatively small enclave on the coast which he believes more defensible. It may turn that Lebanon will have to sue for peace, leaving Assad no option but to also sue for peace, accepting a fragmented Syria, including Kurdish autonomy.
All these possible outcomes finally could put to rest the devilish, century long meddling of Britain and France in a ME which was supposed to have had several non-colonial configurations. The wild card will be Turkey, whose leader and leading party have spoken, from time to time, of a new Ottoman Empire. Obviously, the intrusion of Turkey would ban it forever from EU membership, of which there is little hope given the opposition of Germany, France, Austria, Greece, and the Balkan states. Without NATO support to the Ottoman design, Turkey would be rejected by that organization. In retaliation, look for a Turkish expansion on Cyprus and the possible invasion of Kurdish zones. On the other hand, Turkey might be satisfied with becoming the largest member of a host of small sectarian “republics” spread throughout the Levant and Mesopotamia.
Please tell me this cannot be true.
ReplyDeleteNot so long ago, I would have rejected this. Today, not so fast. I would put nothing past DC. Nothing.
ReplyDeleteYou need to watch these videos and then read this.
ReplyDeleteCongratulations, Deuce; this is the kind of post you do so well - better than most anyone, in fact.
DeleteWho is this Saudi Prick, Bandar bin Sultan?
ReplyDeleteOn April 15, 2014, the Saudi King Abdullah relieved Prince Bandar bin Sultan, previously Ambassador to the United States, and for the last two years the head of Saudi intelligence, of his posting. According to Saudi news sources, this was by his own request, and Bin Sultan’s recent health problems (he’s 65 years old and recently underwent shoulder surgery in the United States) might lend some credence to this statement.
There are some sources, however, questioning just how “by his request” this action really was. Bin Sultan has been a major player (it might even be argued the major player) in seeking the ouster of Bashar al Assad in Syria. While he has complained about how much of his aid ends up in the hands of Al Qaeda, some of his other statements and actions shed some doubt on his sincerity, especially when he effectively threatened the security of the Olympic Games in Sochi if the Russians didn’t pull their support for Assad. He has also been one of the loudest Saudi voices criticizing the US for not openly seeking Assad’s ouster through lending air support and more heavy weapons to the rebels. Bin Sultan has been a central figure in the deterioration of US-Saudi relations in the last year, as he has complained bitterly about the lack of US action in Syria.
Read more: http://sofrep.com/34935/bandar-bin-sultan-relieved/#ixzz35JDWYy6o
The IRS had a contract with email backup service vendor Sonasoft starting in 2005,according to FedSpending.org, which lists the contract as being for “automatic data processing services.” Sonasoft’s motto is “email archiving done right,” and the company lists the IRS as a customer.
ReplyDeleteIn 2009, Sonasoft even sent out a Tweet advertising its work for the IRS.
Ruh roh.
A relief from all the news sites which spew neocon and U.S./U.K/Israel propaganda by different degrees and methods 24/7.
ReplyDeleteThe dots have all been laid out on the table.
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The CFR ...
Backs the Israeli "Yinon Plan", who'd have ever expected that.
http://beforeitsnews.com/international/2013/08/the-yinon-plan-2466788.html
ISRAEL PREFERS al-QAEDA
Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren told the Jerusalem Post
http://www.jpost.com/Syria-Crisis/Oren-Jerusalem-has-wanted-Assad-ousted-since-the-outbreak-of-the-Syrian-civil-war-326328
In broad daylight, a Saudi-Israeli alliance
Asa Winstanley
Thursday, 12 December 2013
Bibi giving solace to al-Qeada terrorists in an Israeli hospital
http://www.tlvfaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/bibi-2.jpg
http://syrianfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/netanyahu-visits-in-israeli-hospitals-terrorists-injured-in-syria-2.jpg
JERUSALEM – Members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan, according to informed Jordanian officials.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-trained-isis-at-secret-jordan-base/5387532
“All warfare is based on deception.” - Sun Tsu
Connect them at your leisure
The other dot in the matrix of the ISIS / ISIL is that the Turkish government, a NATO ally of the US was planning to pursue "False Flag" operations that would lay responsibility for attacks upon Turkish assets and interests upon the Assad regime in Syria.
DeleteThere are also reports that the ISIS / ISIL operatives received military training in Turkey, as well as in Jordon.
Turkey Wages War on Syria: Leaked Recording Confirms Turkish “False Flag” Attack
Global Research, March 29, 2014
The major points from my view:
- Turkey has delivered 2,000 trucks of weapons and ammunition to the insurgents in Syria.
- There are plans for false flag attacks on Turkey or Turkish property to justify an attack from Turkey on Syria.
- The Turkish military has great concerns going into and fighting Syria.
- The general atmosphere between these deciders is one of indecisiveness.
- Everyone seems to be unclear what Erdogan wants and is waiting for clear orders from above.
- U.S. military has shortly before the meeting presented fresh plans for a no-fly one over Syria.
Then there is the fact in itself that this tape and others leaked. Internal government communication in Turkey and personal communication of Turkish official has been thoroughly compromised. This will hinder future decision making and will erode any trust Turkish government allies may have in it.
It is somewhat astonishing how “western” media avoid the content of the leaked tape.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/turkey-wages-war-on-syria-leaked-recording-confirms-turkish-false-flag-attack/5375807
Google search:turkish false flag syria
Fox News - 2 days ago
Actually, the Turks offered far more than an easy border crossing: they provided the bulk of ISIS' funds, logistics, training and arms. Turkish ...
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I've said from day one, right here, that there's a double helping of bullshit going on in Meso-land.
ReplyDeleteI don't think there's much in the way of "conspiracy" going on, here - but a goodly bit of "opportunism."
I think Obama probably wants two things:
Delete1) for the Shia government to survive - barely
2) a nuclear deal with Iran.
Iran has one very large "military" problem. They have just a shell of an air force.
DeleteThey might not be able to offer much help to Maliki when it comes to problems, scattered around up in the Northern part of Iraq.
Syria's hanging by a thread. They're of no help to anyone.
DeleteI don't know if Obama's found a way to "get to the dealer," or if the hand just came down, naturally, but, except for some nutjob republicans yapping, and snapping at his heels, he seems to have "woke up with a pretty playable hand."
DeleteWe could probably get 5 or 6 squadrons of Fast Movers, including one squadron of invisible fast movers in the air over Iraq pretty much instantaneously, now.
DeleteThey could do some pretty serious damage to ISIS, pretty damned quick. (if we really wanted to.)
There may be no greater irony in Barack Obama’s presidency than the reintroduction of military advisers to Iraq -- with airstrikes soon to follow. With the first steps of a more extensive intervention under way, it's time to ask: What are the regional and global stakes of the latest iteration of conflict in Iraq? And what endgame can the U.S. realistically help achieve to create stability?
ReplyDeleteBegin with the baseline: The U.S., its allies and its regional Middle Eastern opponents such as Iran cannot tolerate the existence of a functioning al-Qaeda successor state in large swaths of Iraq and Syria.
The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant wouldn’t be satisfied with a landlocked statelet. By ideological preference and by geostrategy, the ISIL state would have the imperative to expand to the Mediterranean coast, including Sunni-majority areas of Lebanon. Today, a dozen ISIL fighters were apparently under siege in a Beirut building -- a sign of potential future expansion.
Once the conflict reaches Lebanon, this would probably bring in the Israelis. Nuclear Israel and near-nuclear Iran would then have to figure out whether they hated each other more than they hate Sunni al-Qaeda. If this isn’t a World War III scenario, it’s getting close.
How then can the U.S. reverse the gains made by ISIL and re-establish Iraq’s sovereign integrity?
The solution depends on bringing non-ISIL Iraqi Sunnis to the side of the Iraqi government. These are, not coincidentally, the same people who joined U.S. forces during the (temporarily) successful surge of 2007. If Sunnis participate in the Iraqi army, then with U.S. air support that force should be able to defeat ISIL.
DeleteIndeed, it’s not impossible that, faced with airstrikes, ISIL might act like a classic insurgent force and melt away into Syria, where the U.S. might leave it unmolested to avoid helping President Bashar al-Assad. More important, only Iraq’s Sunnis can effectively govern their territory afterward and keep al-Qaeda out.
Relying on Iran is therefore a terrible idea. Iran might be willing to strengthen its proxies such as the Mahdi Army, but this will alienate, not encourage, the Sunnis who are necessary to an eventual settlement.
For these Sunnis, the name of the game is the same as it was during the surge: a credible guarantee that when al-Qaeda is gone, they will get a proportionate share of Iraq’s oil revenue and a meaningful role in national governance. Last time, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki reneged on the promise after the U.S. left -- and that's the main reason Sunni troops and leaders walked away rather than fight ISIL in recent weeks.
The good news is that these Sunni leaders probably expect to get a better deal this time from a post-Maliki government and then to reprise their role in the surge. Iraq’s Sunnis must know that an al-Qaeda state is intolerable to the rest of the world. Assuming these Sunni leaders are rational, their only plausible endgame is the reformation of the Iraqi state along genuinely multidenominational lines.
The hard part is crafting . . . . . . .
Noah Feldman - Bloomberg
DeleteThe Israeli have been "War Gaming" this since 1982, Rufus.
DeleteIt may bring back an old "Cowboy" saying ...
Be careful what you wish for, you just may get it"
Ambassador Oren made Israel's position crystal clear, guess Noah Feldman was not reading the JPost, last September.
Israel prefers al-Qeada
Those trucks, tanks and helicopters, captured in Mosul, will be easy targets, if the President lets loose with the USAF.
The question is why would he, unless it was a quid pro que with the Iranians, over those centrifuges.
All the cards are in the US hand.
We have no 'targets of opportunity' in the area for al-Qeada to attack in Iraq, anymore.
While the al-Qeada operatives have a a whole mess of tanks and APCs, now.
They've got themselves a heck of a footprint.
Baghdad, Iraq (CNN) -- A strategic border crossing and three other towns in western Iraq fell Saturday to the control of ISIS militants, a senior Iraqi security official said.
ReplyDeleteIn addition to their offensives in northern Iraq, the militants have now strengthened their hand in the western province of Anbar, the country's largest geographically, and were controlling Al-Qaim, Rawa, Ana and Husaybah, said the senior official, who's based in Anbar.
Four Iraqi towns fall to advancing ISIS Iraqi Shias show force in weapons parade Iraq: Six things you need to know
Most importantly, the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, or ISIS, controlled the strategic town of Al-Qaim on the border with Syria, where the enemy fighters enjoy a stronghold, Iraqi security officials said Saturday.
Together, the four towns are situated along a highway from Syria to Baghdad, heightening possibilities that the militants could now march from the west to lay siege to the Iraqi capital. One of the four towns, Husaybah, is just 100 kilometers, or 62 miles, outside Baghdad.
The taking into custody of 40 Indians, drawn into the crossfire of a bitter power struggle in Iraq between an assertive but marginalised Sunni minority and the government led by President Nouri al-Maliki, has brought into focus the Narendra Modi government’s crisis management skills. The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), a jihadi group, is apparently behind the detention and relocation of the workers, who are from Punjab, into a cotton warehouse in the vicinity of Mosul — Iraq’s second largest city that is an ethnically divided demographic powder keg. Yet, there are indications that Sunni tribesmen, who may not share the ISIS’s virulent extremist ideology but are in a tactical embrace with it in order to counter the government of Mr. Nouri al-Maliki, which has Shia overtones, are holding the victims. The detentions, along with the entrapment of 46 nurses in a Tikrit hospital, is cause for deep anxiety; the crisis has dwarfed the 2004 abduction and release of three Indian truck drivers near Baghdad. Apart from India, countries such as China and Turkey, whose nationals have been detained in large numbers, are experiencing the pain. The blowback of the incident has hit the government hard, persuading External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj to meet the distraught families of the victims, who have no option but to seek solace from the Central government.
ReplyDeleteAt a triumphant speech in Ankara two years ago, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu announced that his country would soon become the superpower of the Middle East.
ReplyDeleteFast-forward to the present, and nothing seems further from the truth. Militants loyal to the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), a radical Islamist group, blitzkrieged last week through Iraq. As they took control of the city of Mosul, ISIS abducted more than two-dozen Turkish truck drivers and later took 49 people hostage at the Turkish consulate. The rampage continued earlier this week, as ISIS abducted 15 Turkish construction workers near Kirkuk, increasing the Turkish hostage tally to nearly 100.
Back in Turkey, the recent events have sparked an uproar. Critics say the government in Ankara for years turned a blind eye to radical Islamists crossing the border to fight in the Syrian civil war. (Turkish officials deny this.) “Turkey certainly empowered ISIS by its open border policy,” says Aaron Stein, an associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, a London-based think tank. “It is not completely Turkey’s fault, but people have been warning about foreign fighter issues since the conflict really started.”
To make matters worse for the Turkish government, when ISIS began its assault on Mosul last week, Davutoglu said the consulate was safe and all precautions had been taken. Neither apparently was true. Within 24 hours, ISIS had stormed the white concrete building. Not only didn’t Turkish officials evacuate the consulate in time, but apparently they also ordered the staff to surrender to ISIS, even though there were special forces soldiers inside the walls of the compound. “I think the hostage crisis could have been aborted,” says Stein.
http://www.vocativ.com/world/iraq-world/superpower-turkey-underestimate-isis/
...the uprising in Iraq has created a host of problems for Turkey that go well beyond the hostages. Many already fear the creation of an independent Kurdish state, which would potentially stir up problems with Turkey’s own Kurdish population, and that Iran, Ankara’s rival, will have more influence in the region.
ReplyDeleteSo as much as Davutoglu, Turkey’s ambitious foreign minister, might still be hoping for a neo-Ottoman Empire of sorts, for the near future at least, his dream will likely be deferred.
allen admits, now, that Iran is not the ...
Delete"Islamic Terror Master"
Confusion in Tel Aviv, as the social media team does a quick 180 and assails Israel' Ally, in Saudi Arabia.
duh, that was not allen...
DeleteSays allen
DeleteWhat is "Occupation"Sat Jun 21, 11:46:00 PM EDT
Deleteduh, that was not allen...
Nope, it was not allen. But, in this case, "crude initation is the sincerist form of capitulation." :-)
This is astounding.
ReplyDeleteI believe it was about three days ago that Bob, who is rarely right, said that I was hysterical about this.
ReplyDeleteDeuce, this is looking, somewhat, like a "controlled fire." Not controlled directly, if you will, but being allowed to burn some expendable fuel.
DeleteWhen those guys bunch up, in groups of a hundred, or so, as in that border crossing, they are sitting ducks anytime we choose to pull the trigger.
Rat's right; I like Obama's "hand," in this game.
If Obama can sell the idea that he willing to sit back, awhile, and let Iraq take a good beating, Iran, and the Shia will almost have to come around.
DeleteI thought a couple of days ago that Iran was probably considering itself to be in the cat-bird seat. I might have been right, then, and I might have been wrong. But, today, I have a hunch, the smiles might not be so plentiful in Tehran, and Qom.
DeleteAs for the "Super Strategists, Master Chess Players, yada, yada, I've always thought the Turks were about the slickest dudes going, over there; but, they may have stepped in it this time, also.
DeleteIn short, this ISIS outfit it the "Wild Card" of Wild Cards. I think, they're keeping a Lot of people up at night.
The U.S has been aware of the growing ISIS threat but refused to give the Iraqi government the intelligence or materiel to resist. Last autumn Obama wanted to help ISIS in Syria by bombing Syria.
DeleteA judgement has been made in the Whitehouse that Iraq will fracture, and that a Sunni ISIS state a la Saudi Arabia (compliant to Western oil interests, religiously conservative ) encompassing Syria and Iraq , and a secular Kurdish state (ditto) are to be created. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
Congratulations to the Presbyterian Church for their courageous action in boycotting companies dealing with Israel. As more institutions and individuals join in the BDS movement, in part or in whole, the sooner this rogue state of Israel will be forced to change, like South Africa ultimately did. Don't know why the US is always supporting these racist rogue states, why we are always on the wrong side of history.
ReplyDeleteThis is what happens to arrogance and being on the wrong side of history. One day the Conga Line will grow a pair and show the bullies the door:
ReplyDeleteMembers of the Presbyterian and Jewish faiths have long been considered allies across the U.S. religious patchwork, forging bonds in local communities over shared viewpoints on many social issues.
Now, some are warning that their alliance is on shaky ground after the Presbyterian Church narrowly voted in Detroit on Friday to divest in three businesses that supply products and technology used in the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories.
The move elicited wide-ranging responses from across the religious spectrum, with leaders from several national Jewish groups immediately denouncing the vote, while some interfaith leaders raised concerns about the long-term consequences of the decision.
“I know that Presbyterians will be reaching out to Jewish neighbors, colleagues and friends at a local level,” said Katharine Henderson, the president of the Auburn Theological Seminary, an interfaith group in New York. “There will be a lot of repairing the breaches that have been created through this decision.”
Last week, the Presbyterian Church (USA) convened its voting body, the 221st General Assembly, in Detroit to tackle a number of issues. The church, with approximately 1.8 million members and 10,000 churches across the United States, made headlines on Thursday after members voted to reword its constitution to recognize gay marriage.
In the lead-up to the divestment vote, lobbyists on both sides converged on Detroit.
Rabbi Rick Jacobs, head of the Union for Reform Judaism, spoke to the delegates twice in an effort to get them to vote against divestment.
“In the past two centuries, we Jews and Presbyterians have become more loving brothers and sisters, but we are at a crucial junction in our relationship,” Jacobs said. “I pray that the decisions of this General Assembly will bring us closer.”
On Friday, the legislative body voted 310 to 303 to divest the church’s interest in three companies: Caterpillar, Hewlett-Packard and Motorola Solutions. WASHINGTON POST
Let's see the pussies of the Presbyterian church call out the arab world's treatment of christians
DeleteLet's see them call out syria, china or russia..
oh nothing there...
hypocrites
BUCHANAN ASKS:
ReplyDeleteif destroying ISIS is a strategic imperative, why have we not demanded that the Gulf states and Saudi Arabia cease funneling arms and aid to ISIS in Syria? Why have we not told the Turks to stop permitting jihadists to cross their border into Syria?
Why are we aiding and arming the Free Syrian Army to bring down Bashar Assad, when Assad’s army is the only fighting force standing between ISIS and the conquest of Syria?
If ISIS is our mortal enemy, why have we not persuaded the Turks to seal their border and send their NATO-equipped army into Syria to annihilate ISIS?
Turkey’s Kemal Ataturk ended the old caliphate and put the caliph on the Orient Express to Europe. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan could be the man who strangled the new caliphate in its crib.
U.S. policy in Syria and Iraq today add up to incoherence.
The Conga line of course.
...and the bully boys of AIPAC.
ReplyDeleteYou really are clueless.
DeleteLet’s check in on the noble warriors of the IDF and see who they liquidated today:
ReplyDeleteIsrael's military says troops have shot dead one Palestinian, and a Palestinian medical official says another was killed, as the army searches for three missing teens and looks to dismantle the Islamic militant group Hamas.
The army says a Palestinian man in the Nablus area approached soldiers in a threatening manner early Sunday, and that they fired warning shots before shooting him. The army says it appears the Palestinian was mentally unstable.
Ah, a mentally ill man. Well done boys.
ReplyDeleteIsrael’ finest, protecting the apartheid way.
ReplyDeleteJust finally fuck off with the bull shits Deuce.
DeleteGo live in Saudi Arabia with your Palestinian switch.
Have fun.
Speak to the facts.
DeleteFact? The fact is hundreds of arabs are killed every week and you ignore those shootings.
DeleteFact? Police forces across the world shoot and kill people every day and for the most part you ignore them too.
One standard for Israel, no standards for anyone else.
Speak to the facts? 160k syrians dead and you can't NAME one of them.
You really are a self indulgent fool. We had a recent post called “Dirty Stinking Cops” and many about ISIS and the slaughter. You cheer on the slaughter because they are not Jews. It is all about Jews all the time with you. You see nothing else and care about nothing else.
DeleteIDF marksman:
ReplyDeleteA Palestinian man who sustained wounds during an IDF raid on the Qalandiya refugee camp died on Friday, the Palestinian news agency Ma’an reported.
Mustafa Hosni Aslan, 22, was reportedly shot in the head by IDF troops during the pre-dawn raid on Friday, according to Ma’an.
War is hell.
DeleteAre you going to list every single palestinian death by the hands of the iraqis, lebanese and syrians too?
Oh yet, those killings are ok...
Just the ones the Jews do pisses you off... Even thought those number in the thousands.
Via Human Rights Watch
ReplyDeleteIsraeli Army targets Man Whose Cameras Recorded Deaths
Israel should be investigating these deaths, but instead its forces seem intent on intimidating witnesses and ensuring future abuses won’t be caught on camera. The Israeli response to the killing of two boys looks more like an attempt to cover up than a serious investigation.
-Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director
(Jerusalem) – Israeli security forces ordered a Palestinian man to take down security cameras that captured the shooting deaths of two Palestinian boys in May, Human Rights Watch and Defense for Children International – Palestine said today. Footage recorded by cameras on the man’s building prompted an international outcry over the killings.
Israeli military officers berated Fakher Zayed, 47, for sharing the security videos with human rights groups, claimed he had lied and fabricated evidence, and threatened to bring unspecified legal actions against him if he did not remove the security cameras, Zayed told Human Rights Watch and DCI-Palestine. A soldier threatened to “unleash dogs on my children,” he said.
“Israel should be investigating these deaths, but instead its forces seem intent on intimidating witnesses and ensuring future abuses won’t be caught on camera,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “The Israeli response to the killing of two boys looks more like an attempt to cover up than a serious investigation.”
Israeli forces shot and killed Nadim Nuwarah, 17, and Mohammed Salameh, 16, also known as Mohammed Abu Thaher, during a demonstration on May 15, 2014, when neither boy posed any threat. On May 19, Defense for Children International – Palestine published footage from Zayed’s security cameras on its website. The Israeli military spokesperson’s office initially claimed the video was “edited in a biased way,” but the full, unedited videos, which DCI-Palestine and the Israeli rights groups B’Tselem later made available to the media, also showed the boys posed no imminent threat to life.
yawn....
Deleteand it still didn't show and israelis shooting the boys.
The iDF wasn't using live ammo, but the palestinians were...
And there is still no evidence those teens were kidnapped by Hamas
DeleteDear Sally -
ReplyDeleteSally - I am thinking you and I, and perhaps Jim as well, really should go to the Celebration of Bob's Life event on Wednesday.
I knew him really well. but not his wife so much or his kids. I missed Lola's big send off, and I should not have done.
Lola and I were quite close. I spent a lot of time out there as a kid. Shooting pigeons, pheasants and stuff.
It is the stuff of a fairy tale. Injun men sitting dead silent along the wall, Lola and I speaking English......the old old tale of the paleolithic hunter/gatherer/fisher folk giving way to a farming culture........
I am glad I experienced it, up close and real like that.
So, I think I will go, and hope you and Jim will join me.
Sincerely yours
your cuz bob
I think Deuce must receiving an under the table payment from his Arabic switch for putting this continuing line of bullshit.
ReplyDeleteIT IS SO JUVENILE
And so so wrong.
It is sad.
You have no argument. Only your Stockholm Syndrome to your Aipac guides. You are so blind that you do not see the results of the in-your-face arrogance of the settler occupation forces?
DeleteLOL
DeleteYou are losing it..
Can you believe that this scab has reappeared?
ReplyDeleteOnly America Can Prevent a Disaster in Iraq
Without U.S. help, the civil war may spiral into a regional conflict as other countries, including Iran, intervene.
By L. PAUL BREMER
June 15, 2014 6:04 p.m. ET
The crisis unfolding in Iraq is heartbreaking especially for those families who lost loved ones there. They gave so much; it is all at risk. It did not need to be this way.
As I wrote in these pages in December 2011 after the last of our military left Iraq, "President Obama made a serious mistake." The withdrawal of all American forces has now had its predictable results.
First, our departure meant that the Iraqis...
L. Paul Bremer, the jackass that sent 400,00 Iraqi soldiers home without a job and a paycheck giving advise.
ReplyDeleteWill Isis invade Baghdad?
ReplyDeleteNo. (This is just a guess, but I expect that something has been already worked out between the Obama team and the Baathist leaders. If Baghdad was really in danger, Obama would probably be acting with greater earnestness.)
Whoa, Philly rider. Whoa.
Why just the other day you were talking of ISIS ripping through Baghdad on it's way to Saudi Arabia..
I said then and I say now, whoa, Philly Bear, not so fast, ain't a gonna happen....
Go have a flappee with the girl friend....
Give her a little snuggle, speak softly of Free Palestine, that kind of shit.....
ReplyDeleteMy friend Bob C., recently and surprising deceased of a sudden, was in Korea for '53 to '55.
ReplyDeleteSince he had an ag background they put him to work guarding a grain warehouse.
He and his mate.....that's all they did. Every so often a starving korean or three of whatever allegiance would try to enter during the night.
They had gotten tire of this so they put up a German Shepard guard dog, a real mean motherfucker, to guard at night while they slept.
They called him "Himmler".
By the time Bob's tour was over Himmler had 7 confirmed kills.
Not pretty sights.
The way it was.......
I would die praying or begging for a swift application of a 7.62.
DeleteProbably both.
"My friend Bob C., recently and surprising deceased of a sudden, was in Korea for '53 to '55"
DeleteFolks of that age are prone to do that, so what's the big surprise?
Hell, people my age are dropping like flies.
...unless they're of Asian/Hawaiian/Haole descent, in which case all bets are off.
He was in great health though. It wan't like he was struggling with anything. Perfect weight and all that.
DeleteHell, I'm next.
That'd be cause to celebrate.
DeleteFox in the Henhouse: Obama's Newest Middle-East Mistake
ReplyDeleteRabbi Daniel M. Zucker
Barack Obama’s illusions about flipping Iran to our side seem logical only after consuming a boatload of cannabis. More
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/06/fox_in_the_henhouse_obamas_newest_middleeast_mistake.html
President Choom.
DeleteThis will make deuce wet and moist...
ReplyDeleteAn Israeli teenager has been killed in a mortar attack on Israel's border with Syria in the Golan Heights.
Israeli media reported on Sunday morning that the victim was the 15-year-old son of a civilian contractor employed by the Israel Defence Forces and that four other people were injured. An official told the Associated Press the vehicle in which they were travelling appeared to have driven over a bomb or been struck by fire from Syria.
They were not clashing with troops, they were not planting ied's they were just driving in a jeep, innocents.
Smiling Deuce?
You love the smell of jew blood in the morning...
get ready to condemn Israel for the retaliation attacks...
Delete3 2 1...
update... A Moslem Israeli citizen, 13 was killed by the arabs...
DeleteI guess Deuce will not be as happy
13-year-old killed in Golan Heights in cross-border fire from SyriaVictim named as Muhammad Karaka from Galilee village of Arraba; he had gone to work with his father, who was doing contract work for Defense Ministry on border; IDF returns fire for what it believes was a deliberate attack
A Moslem Israeli citizen.....??????
DeleteIt is an apartheid state.
There are no suck critters.
There are no such critters.
DeleteYep, and the "arab" citizen took his son to work, driving in a truck! For working with the IDF I guess the arabs have every right to murder him and his son...
Deletecollaborators...
You mean like these collaborators (Wikipedia):
DeleteŻagiew (“The Torch”), also known as Żydowska Gwardia Wolności (the "Jewish Freedom Guard"), was a Nazi-collaborationist Jewish agent provocateur group in the Nazi German-occupied Poland, founded and sponsored by the Germans and led by Abraham Gancwajch.[1] Many Żagiew members were related to the collaborationist Jewish organization Group 13, which was also led by Gancwajch. The Nazis had over a thousand Jewish secret agents in Poland[2] and some were permitted by their Gestapo handlers to possess and bear firearms.
The organization operated primarily within the Warsaw Ghetto. Its primary goal was to infiltrate the Jewish resistance network and reveal its connections with the Polish underground aiding and hiding Jews in the General Government. The organization was able to inflict considerable damage on both fronts.[3] Żagiew agents were also instrumental in organizing the Hotel Polski affair in Warsaw, a German scheme to lure the richer Jews under false promises of evacuation to South America into a trap and then steal their money and valuables before killing them.
Sounds like scum.
DeleteSo you are saying a 13 year old arab Israeli working on the border fence deserves to be killed?
Sick
Deuce, now that you have expressed your solidarity with the murder of israeli arabs if they work for the Israeli government, your position is clearer by the day.
DeleteI am sure you will be welcomed into the Hamas armed wing... When is your conversion to Islam compete?
allenSat Jun 14, 07:48:00 AM EDT
ReplyDeleteBobFri Jun 13, 08:27:00 PM EDT
Of all that Allen has said there I would agree with it all except this:
"Of the world’s six recognized cultures, no two have much in common other than superficially as the matter of expediency"
Bob,
If there was compatibility, Christians would not have spent the better part of 1700 years screwing over Jews through theft, murder, rape, and banishment. The fact is, there is no compatibility. That is why we insist on having a Jewish state and say, “Come and take it.”
Christians believe in things like the birth of god through a virgin with himself as father; they believe in the death of god, followed by his resurrection so that he could come back to earth and finish his job, whatever that might have been; Christians believe in and practice cannibalism. Jews find all those things amusing but simple minded, as IQ tests bear out. Indeed, some linguists posit that the very word Christian derives from the root word for "cretin" (Frankish), which means retarded (more or less). Oh, we Jews also think it is a good idea to know the language before translating the book or making moronic commentaries on its content, meaning, and implications.
Jewish and Chinese cultures are not compatible, but for different reasons. The Chinese, also having, in the aggregate, higher brain function respect Jews. The feeling is reciprocated.
ReplyDelete
Christianity is the monomyth in Christian clothing, with our Hero super super exhalted, which is not normally the case in the myth.
DeleteThis has lead to a lot of shedding of precious blood and a lot of giving away of not so precious money in the seeking of 'salvation'. Which is of course, right here, right now. Tat tvam asi.
Preachers are a preaching the same tune to the uncomprehending masses to this day.
Best to go to the woods and read good books by oneself.
And catch a real fish or two.
Bob, you are a scholar. Read the words. What do they say about the author?
DeleteDon’t deflect.
DeleteMatthew 4: 1-17
DeleteHe should not have returned to preach.
That was his 'big mistake'.
Oowiee.
Deflecting. Go fishing. You at least have a chance at catching something there.
DeleteAnyone would have to be a fool not to see the connection between Israeli behavior and the blowback in terms of Islamist radicalism. No honest person cannot see it. It is always under the surface of polite discussion but it does surface more often. Recently, the Presbyterians surely have noticed and It will be judged by history to have been a catalyst for much of what we have to endure today. It was a factor in the attack on 911.
ReplyDeleteIt has even been noticed by DC. Here is an example:
The United States has slammed Israel for continuing to announce new settlement construction on land claimed by the Palestinians in an unusually rare and blunt criticism of its top Mideast ally.
The State Department accused Israel on Tuesday of engaging in a "pattern of provocative action" that runs counter to statements from Israeli leaders that they are committed to peace. Spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said "We are deeply disappointed that Israel insists on continuing this pattern of provocative action. These repeated announcements and plans of new construction run counter to the cause of peace. Israel’s leaders continually say that they support a path towards a two-state solution, yet these actions only put that goal further at risk."
The tough comments came as Israel’s prime minister rejected international criticism of plans to build thousands more Jewish homes in east Jerusalem, saying construction would move forward.
Anyone that cannot see the lesson of 1400 years of moslem aggression should be in an insane asylum.
ReplyDeleteAnyone that claims to be educated that cannot see this is nuts.
Or perhaps, subliminally rooting for the aggressor/ male supremist.
If you were out here in Latah County, Deuce, I would try to get you some help, and on my taxpayers dime too.
My Niece says "The ones in India are not so bad, the ones in the middle east at bad."
ReplyDeleteShe, I submit, knows whereof she speaks.
And she always tries to put the best face on things.
;-)
Deletethe ones in the middle east are bad
ReplyDeleteThis is an understatement by her.
She can't stand them.
What young intelligent woman in her right mind could stand them?
ReplyDeleteAnd she speaks five languages, and has gotten her Master's Degree under the worst of circumstances.
I will listen to her, not Deuce, on these matters.
She did not tell the truth about the weather.
DeleteShe is not to be trusted on any matter, if she cannot be trusted to speak the truth about sunshine.
She is a manic depressive, to describe 80 degree weather as cold, damp, never ending winter.
Speaking of tone deaf, Voila, M. Kerry:
ReplyDeleteCAIRO: U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Egypt Sunday on a surprise trip to push for democracy in the politically tumultuous country as Washington quietly released $572 million in military aid.
Kerry, the highest-ranking U.S. official to visit since President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi came to power, was to press the former army chief during his lightning trip to install greater political freedoms and discuss security challenges.
The top U.S. diplomat's tour is also focused on trying to find a political solution in Iraq, where Islamic militants were Sunday making new gains in an offensive that has triggered international alarm.
"Obviously this is a critical moment of transition in Egypt, enormous challenges," Kerry said as he met first with new Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukri.
But he vowed "the US is very interested in working closely" with the new government "in order to make this transition as rapidly and smoothly as possible."
Since President Mohammad Morsi was toppled by Sisi in July 2013, a government crackdown on his supporters has left more than 1,400 people dead in street clashes and at least 15,000 jailed.
U.S. officials warned Washington has deep concerns about the government's "polarizing tactics" and acknowledged they were "balancing" different strategic interests in what is a "complicated" relationship.
Kerry's visit comes a day after an Egyptian court confirmed death sentences for 183 Islamists, including Muslim Brotherhood chief Mohammad Badie, after a speedy mass trial that sparked an international outcry.
Kerry’s latest diplomatic mission, that will also see him visit Amman, Brussels and Paris, is expected to focus on uniting Iraq’s fractious leaders and urging its neighbors to use their sway to ensure the speedy formation of a new government while cutting the flow of funds to the militants.
Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Jun-22/261082-kerry-in-cairo-to-meet-sisi.ashx#ixzz35NCq6VtL
(The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb)
Bob, we can agree on this: They all suck.
ReplyDeleteAgree on that much.
DeleteIf you are referring to the muzz.
DeleteDeuce is a muzz now...
DeleteBecareful you could get censored
Islam has been murdering and stealing the Jews lands since Mohammed married his 1st JEWISH wife and stole her property.
ReplyDeleteYour lens of WHEN blow back started is limited in scope.
Palestinian/Islam had no problem in the 1920's in butchering Jews of Hebron.
Islam had no problem murdering jews in 1966 when Israel had no possession of the west bank or Jerusalem.
How come you are so enamored with the US's position on settlements and yet, the US's position on Iraq and other arab peoples has been so wrong...
the new "settlement" construction? is bogus, there is ONLY construction inside settlements that are never were going to be part of any deal.
Israel and the Palestinians all know that. But if you think that building a greenhouse on land that is already controlled and settled by Israelis is a justification for kidnapping, beheading, rape and murder? You are opening yourself up for a lawless world, remember your RIGHT to live in Philadelphia is far WEAKER than Israel's right to live and build homes in the Jewish quarter of Jerusalem.
Property disputes are fine and dandy, almost all nations have them.
Israel sits on 1/900th of the land. The Arabs sit on 899/900th of the land.
The palestinian issue? LOL, nonsense.
As for your revisionist history? "Presbyterians surely have noticed and It will be judged by history to have been a catalyst for much of what we have to endure today. It was a factor in the attack on 911"
Maybe you should read Bin Laden's reasons for 911, the Palestinians were not a reason. And your glib concept that israel is to blame for much that we endure? FICTION.
But since you brought it up?
Congrats on the 20,000 palestinians murdered by Assad (not mentioning the other 140,000 dead) the 5 million homeless in syria, Iraq and Iran's decades long conflicts that have cost the lives of millions, Sudan, Lebanon, and all those inter arab/moslem fighting that have murdered MILLIONS and MILLIONS, may they continue.
and continue.
and sorry charlie, they AINT ISRAEL or the JEWS doing, fault, responsibility.
The FAKE nationalistic group of arabs that call themselves "palestinians"? Have refused 5 offers for nationhood.
Their fate? is their own doing....
But it's easier for you to blame everything on the Jews.
SO sad... SO predictable. SO anti-Semitic
Yep I used the anti-semeitc label.
look in the mirror, look at your blog, look at what you call is nonsense (my points and posts) and look at the jew hating, israel baiting shit you allow and support.
The good news? Israel is winning.
The arabs are destroying themselves at a rate and amount that no Jew or israel could EVER have done.
Barrel bombs, population starvation, rape, beheadings? All part and parcel of self hatred and arab world within it's self.....
I give it another 5 years. In 5 years? there will be another 10-30 million Islamic folks dead and another 40-60 million homeless as refugees (i said moslems not just arabs) ALL BY THEIR OWN HANDS....
Meanwhile? The arabs and moslems of Israel will be safer there than anywhere in the so called moslem world.
Yawn.
DeleteMorning Rodent!!! Don't you have a horse to bang?
DeleteSuch a retort! I guess study and hard thinking produces such gems of wisdom in the morning....
Delete"yawn"
no retort required, it was too bring to read.
DeleteWow, rat, your meds must not be working yet...
Deletetoo bring to read?
LOL
loser.
Yep, to bring.
DeleteBut it garnered a response, which is all that matters.
SO Deuce has admitted he is now a Jihadist....
ReplyDeleteHamas executes two Israel 'collaborators' in Gaza
ReplyDeleteGAZA CITY, Palestinian Territories (AFP) – Hamas hanged two men accused of collaborating with Israel on Saturday, a statement from the interior ministry of the Islamist movement's government in Gaza said.
The ministry said that it had executed the two men in accordance "with what Palestinian law stipulates", identifying them as "the collaborator with the occupation A.G., 49, and the collaborator H.K., 43."
A military court in Gaza had sentenced the two to "death by hanging after the tribunal convicted them 10 years ago of charges ranging from collaborating with a hostile foreign entity", to involvement in "killing and espionage".
A number of representatives from civil organisations attended the execution, the statement said.
The Hamas government executed three men in April 2012 after they were accused of "collaborating" with Israel.
Witnesses say masked gunmen have publicly executed six “suspected collaborators” with Israel at a busy Gaza City intersection.
DeleteThe Hamas military wing claimed responsibility.
Witnesses said the six men were pulled out of a van Tuesday, then forced to lie face down on the street and shot dead.
The bodies then laid in a pile as a mob stomped and spit on them. A sixth body was tied to a motorcycle and dragged through the streets as people screamed, “Spy! Spy!”
CNN’s Anderson Cooper posted this shocking tweet with a photo:
AFP/Getty Images also has an image of the executed men, as crowds of Palestinians swarm to photograph the bodies and one man stomps on a dead man’s torso:
Love when the drag the bodies thru the streets on the back of motorcycles
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/11/20/spy-spy-hamas-publicly-executes-six-suspected-collaborators-with-israel-graphic-photos/
Mo stole his Jewish wife's property????
ReplyDeleteHell, I didn't know that.
Fits the Method of Operation though.
Fuck her and steal the property.......
Sounds about right....if the shoe fits......
HAHA:HAHAHHAha
You didn't KNOW that?
DeleteSafiyya was born in Medina to Huyayy ibn Akhtab, the chief of the Jewish tribe Banu Nadir. Her mother, Barra bint Samawal, was from the Banu Qurayza tribe. According to a source, she was married off to Sallam ibn Mishkam, who later divorced her.[3]
When the Banu Nadir were expelled from Medina in 625, her family settled in Khaybar, an oasis near Medina.[3] Her father and brother went from Khaybar to join the Meccan and Bedouin forces besieging Muhammad in Medina during the Battle of the Trench. When the Meccans withdrew Muhammad besieged the Banu Qurayza.
In 627 or early in 628, Safiyya married Kenana ibn al-Rabi, treasurer of the Banu Nadir; she was about 17 years old at that time.[3] Safiyya is said to have informed Kenana of a dream she had in which the moon had fallen from the heavens into her lap. Kenana interpreted it as a desire to marry Muhammad and struck her in the face, leaving a mark which was still visible when she first had contact with Muhammad.[2][4]
Battle of Khaybar[edit]
Main article: Battle of Khaybar
In May 629, the Muslims defeated several Jewish tribes (including the Banu Nadir) at the Battle of Khaybar. The Jews had surrendered, and were allowed to remain in Khaybar on the provision that they give half of their annual produce to the Muslims. The land itself became the property of the Muslim state.[5] This agreement, Stillman says, did not extend to the Banu Nadir tribe, who were given no quarter.[6]
In the aftermath, the female captives were divided amongst Muhammad and his followers.[5] Safiyya was assigned to Dihya ibn Khalifa, but Muhammad selected her while compensating Dihya with two of her cousins,[7] or, according to other sources, seven head of cattle,[3] and according to a differing source, seven female slaves.[8] She then converted to Islam, thereby becoming Muhammad's wife; her dowry being her emancipation.[9] On the way back from Khaybar, the Muslims camped at a place called Sadd al-Rauha. By now, Safiyya was clean from her menstrual period, and the marriage was thus consummated. Thereafter, Muhammad held a banquet of dates and butter in celebration of the marriage, and then returned to Medina.[10]
Marriage to Muhammad[edit]
According to Muhammad al-Bukhari, Muhammad stayed for three days between Khaybar and Medina, where he consummated his marriage to Safiyya. His companions wondered if she was to be considered a captive (Arabic: ma malakat aymanukum) or a wife. The former speculated that they would consider Safiyya as Muhammad's wife, and thus "Mothers of the Believers", if Muhammad ordered her to veil herself, else she would be his servant-girl.[11]
Muhammad suggested that Safiyya convert to Islam, and she agreed, thus she become Muhammad's wife.[12] Safiyya did not bear any children to Muhammad.[13]
Despite her conversion, Muhammad's other wives teased Safiyya of her Jewish origin. Doubts about Safiyya's loyalty to Islam and the suspicion that she would avenge her slain kin are themes in the Sirah Rasul Allah (biographies of Muhammad).[14] In these stories, Muhammad or Umar express great displeasure at such doubts and reaffirm her loyalty.[2][3]
Regarding Safiyya's Jewish descent, Muhammad once said to his wife, "If they discriminate you again, tell them that your husband is Muhammad, your father was the prophet Aaron and your uncle was prophet Musa. In this case I'm superior to you."[2]
Of course this was "cleaned" up to make Ole Mo sound better than he was... A brutal rapist, thief and murdering thug.
Of course Deuce will never talk about the lands stolen by the arabs from the Jews. Starting with ole Mo all the way up to the 1948 land grab by the arabs...
DeleteIsrael has been a disaster for the US. That is all I care about.
DeleteReally?
DeleteYou are grasping at shadows and bigotry
This from Iraqi body count..
ReplyDelete26 civilians killed in #iraq 21 June. 2,878 so far in June.
Wow....
almost 3000 killed in ONE month...
Israel REALLY sucks at this killing stuff...
https://www.iraqbodycount.org
DeleteAs for syria it's a harder story to discuss...
DeleteSince the beginning of Syrian uprising in March 2011 to 21/8/2013 , SNHR documented by name, place, cause of death, and photo or video, the killing of 101,513 people, 89,664 of them are civilians (88% civilians).
http://www.iamsyria.org/daily-death-count.html
But estimates of the total killed? 162,000....
Again, Syria shows us what real killer nation can do.
Well, from the beginning , I always did have Mo figured for an thieving fucking asshole.
ReplyDeleteIf I missed a couple details that does bite me in the back of my neck. and I am ashamed.
You should be ashamed, Bob.
DeleteIt was the only truthful thing you have ever written
It's funny that rat is so obsessed with you Bob...
DeleteI think it's because you are like the father he never had...
rat lacked a formal family, at age 8 I hear tell he was put in an Catholic orphanage. Raised by strict nuns, abused by, well some unnamed men in power positions.
Joined the army to get that father figure fixation fixed.....
Failed as a husband, father, businessman, he now mucks out stalls for the local ranchers.
All he has is this blog...
and his obsession with you...
;-)
DeleteThe major wind developer First Wind is best known for you guessed it, wind power, but with a new 320 megawatt deal in Utah the company has begun to flex its solar muscles, too. That’s great news for green jobs in Utah, as the new solar development is expected to pour dollars and jobs into the state’s economy.
ReplyDeleteThe new First Wind solar project also adds a big solar feather to the cap of well-known wind power fan and green jobs creator Warren Buffett. The utility Rocky Mountain Power already has dibs on all 320 MW, and if that name doesn’t ring a bell check out its parent company, the legendary investor’s Berkshire Hathaway Energy group.
The new First Wind Utah solar project follows a pattern similar to First Wind’s solar project in Massachusetts, which launched last year (First Wind is headquartered in Boston, btw).
DeleteThe Massachusetts project is relatively small, at a combined 17 MW pulling together sites in two different communities.
First Wind’s previous solar project in Utah also clocked in at the small end of the scale. That would be the somewhat ironically named “Seven Sisters,” consisting of seven separate photovoltaic arrays in two different counties (not seven different oil companies, as the name suggests). The seven combined add up 20 MW .
With that solar development experience under its belt, First Wind has scaled things up considerably for the 320 MW Utah solar project, which covers four sites in Beaver and Iron Counties.
Dubbed “Four Brothers,” the new project will consist of four 80 MW sites, three in Beaver County and one in Iron County.
According to First Wind, that provides the southern part of Utah with a total of 650 MW of clean energy if you add Seven Sisters, Four Brothers, and the company’s existing Milford Wind project all together.
Construction on Four Brothers is expected to start in 2015, generating 500 construction jobs. It will also pump $66 million in property and income taxes into the state’s economy over the 20 year lifespan of the power purchase agreement, building up a green jobs ripple effect.
Here’s Beaver County Commissioner Mark Whitney waxing enthusiastic about the impact on his rural county:
We are excited to be part of Utah’s clean energy revolution, which will transform this rural part of Southern Utah into a hub of renewable energy production. In addition to the clean energy, these solar projects will be a boon for our local economy through hundreds of construction jobs and new property and tax revenue that will help support our community, schools and other municipal needs.
We have been fortunate to partner with First Wind for nearly a decade now as part of its wind development efforts and we are very pleased to expand our collaboration into solar energy.
Utah Gets It
…But Not For Thee, Ohio
DeleteIs it just us, or did we catch Commissioner Whitney rubbing Ohio’s nose in it? While Utah was celebrating hundreds of new green jobs, just last week the Republican dominated Ohio state legislature passed — and Governor Kasich signed into law — two bills that effectively killed the Ohio wind industry.
That’s not just bad news for the wind industry, it could also have a ripple effect on the solar market. As First Wind’s foray into the solar market shows, companies that stake out turf in one form of renewable energy are learning lessons and gaining experience in areas that translate into other forms of renewable energy.
First Wind laid the groundwork for its Utah solar deals with its previous wind projects, including a healthy dose of community relations in the form of scholarships and learning opportunities for local high school students, on top of ongoing jobs and other economic contributions.
Well, it’s not likely that First Wind will be poking around Ohio any time soon.
As for why the peoples’ representatives would kill the wind industry in the very state that the inventor of wind-generated electricity called home, that’s a good question. The wind industry has a solid track record for generating green jobs, including a vigorous recruitment and job training program for veterans.
DeleteHere’s one clue. According to the American Wind Energy Association, Ohio is — or was, until last week — a hotbed of green job creation in the wind industry:
Ohio was one of the top five fastest growing states for wind capacity additions in 2012, with 313 MW added in 2012 and over 54,000 MW in wind resource potential. In addition, the Buckeye State leads the country in wind-related manufacturing – with more than 60 facilities (or more than 1 in every 10 in the US) producing components for the wind industry.
Who could hate it?
We for one were shocked — shocked! — to find that lobbying by the Koch brothers has going on in Ohio, but there you have it.
Whoever the author that created this Desert Rat, he is one powerful writer. Creating a character that resonates through this blog, while there is not a single post that can be attributed to him since the revival of the Elephant Bar. The author created a character that the readers will not release from their minds.
ReplyDeleteThe other avatars all search for the Desert Rat. Postulating on which Anonymous post can be credited to the Desert Rat, which Name/URL character is the Desert Rat in disguise. Amazing the power that the Desert Rat character exerts on the readers, so long after it has moved on to greener pastures.
The ego gratification to the creator of the Desert Rat must be palatable, his/her success at manipulating the mind of the reader is remarkable. Maintaining the focus of the reader upon a character long since retired.
The Desert Rat is in the readers mind, but rest assured the Desert Rat is not among the characters on the page.
That's good writing, a truly powerful character!
Now that earns a "yawn".
DeleteSelf obsessed loser.
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DeleteNonsense.
For the most part, people here don't speak of the 'Desert Rat', they speak of 'the rat' or the even more truncated 'rat'. That is, of course, when they are not using some pejorative instead.
The name 'rat' is elegant in its simplicity, a single syllable and doesn't even have to be capitalized, a
sobriquet not quite as efficient as T or Q but still a rubric that conveys the character of a particular toad licking individual that inhabits a spot somewhere on the internet. No one who has been on this blog for any length of time, when they see the moniker 'rat' would have any misconception as to whom the reference was to.
While it is true rat does, because of some weird and inexplainable perhaps even pathological conceit (a subject for another post), assume other screen names, IMO, it would be inefficient and illogical to indulge in these silly rat-games.
The name rat perfectly encapsulates the spirit and the image of the person we refer to here. If the rat gains a measure of 'ego gratification from the fact we continue to use the name, good on him.
We all need to be bucked up on occasion.
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What it earned was a reading, and then a response.
DeleteAnother round won by the Rat, who was not there...
Hell, a couple responses, for a character who was not there.
Delete
Delete“Don't pay any attention to what they write about you. Just measure it in inches.”
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Delete:)
Rat, you suffer the same conceits shared by our friend Allen.
Nope, it was not allen. But, in this case, "crude initation is the sincerist form of capitulation." :-)
I believe the appropriate phrase is 'birds of a feather'.
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ReplyDeleteDeuce ☂Sun Jun 22, 08:57:00 AM EDT
Bob, you are a scholar. Read the words. What do they say about the author?
Deuce ☂Sun Jun 22, 08:58:00 AM EDT
Don’t deflect.
You give Bob too much credit Deuce. A scholar?
schol•ar
[skol-er] Show IPA
noun
1.
a learned or erudite person, especially one who has profound knowledge of a particular subject.
2.
a student; pupil.
3.
a student who has been awarded a scholarship.
Bob is an educated man and well read but on many of the subjects discussed here he does not think he merely emotes.
Anyone who has been here long enough knows that the post you referenced above is a true reflection of Allen's beliefs. Despite his self-serving explanation the other day, the words are not an anomaly. He has used them here before. They betray his bigotry and his unwillingness and/or inability to check the simplest 'facts'.
I think Bob probably knows this, but assuming the principle of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' he, as you say, 'deflects'.
IMO, Bob is no scholar otherwise he wouldn't substitute rationalization for argument.
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Deuce ☂Sun Jun 22, 10:37:00 AM EDT
ReplyDeleteIsrael has been a disaster for the US. That is all I care about.
Appeasing the oil companies and the opec members is the disaster…
Get your head on straight, both heads
DeleteWhat happens in Tel Aviv - Stays in Tel Aviv!
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DeleteWhat has this got to do with either Deuce's comment or WiO's response?
Just more unsightly rat-droppings.
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When did I ever say I was a scholar??
ReplyDeleteI don't recall saying that.
I have a college degree in English Lit. from U of Washington.
To avoid being drafted in part.
Though I know my own line.
My Niece, now there is a scholar. Got all the credentials degrees and work experience to prove it.
I will send you here paper published in the Journal of NeuroScience, if you like, Quirk. You might get something out of it.
I immediately bogged down on the big words.
What I know, and backwards and forwards and upside down, is my Campbell, and a few of the major authors, and the themes.
And how to not go broke quickly farming.
:)
Survival skills, I call my education.
She ain't no wet back MexTex that is for sure.
DeleteAnd she's got a full time American Uncle.
I even have a veto, with my new responsibilities, a veto over her choice of marital mate.
Think of that !!
Deleteand he is a chicken-hawk coward, like Dick Cheney.
I stood for the draft, like all the others, and lucked out.
DeleteAt the time, I wasn't hot to go kill people 10,000 miles away that I had only begun to understand.
So I am glad I got a high number.
Actually joining up for the military is not a family tradition here, though dad tried during WWII. He was turned away as too old, and too educated.
My doc brother served in Germany, as did my hashy smokey cousin, (German hash is really good he said) who was drafted and guarded nuclear weapons there.
"He need older lawyers like you on the home front, Sir."
"WE need older lawyers like you on the home front, Sir."
DeleteWithin on comments section ...
DeleteI have a college degree in English Lit. from U of Washington.
To avoid being drafted in part.
Seems clear enough writing.
I stood for the draft, like all the others, and lucked out.
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So I am glad I got a high number.
A direct contradiction of the first comment.
Bob is liar
I have a Ph.D in dealing with the fucking Moscow City Planner.
ReplyDeleteWhat a little slime bucket he is. Always wanting his sited Parks. When the Head Park guy I know personally says to me 'fuck it Bob we got way too much park land now I can't ever keep up, and nobody uses it anyway.'
ReplyDeleteI may not be SCHOLAR but I got some insights.
On wolves too. And a rifle.
FUCK YOU CITY BOYS
Quirk is a SUPERSALESMAN.
ReplyDeleteAnd rat bowls on the weekends when he is off from the printshop.
Deuce was a great dude until he became enticed.
ReplyDeleteNow he is dreaming fairy tales and smoking mid eastern hash.
Bob, like your Israeli buddy, you are obsessed with sex.
DeleteThose four hour woodies, are they gettin' to ya?
Lay off the Viagra, you won't have a woody without it.
But you could go to Tel Aviv, too.
The women there sell themselves, it is legal, the Israeli Government promotes the "Sex Trade".
Seem to think that it's good for their "Balance of Trade"...
Spengler's Universal Law #9: A country isn't beaten until it sells its women,
but it's damned when its women sell themselves.
Hat tip: allen
Actually Scottsdale is the "escort" capital of America.
DeleteRat/Jack is in the human trafficking business I wonder why he wants to send people to Israel when our very own rat is a pimp and is in the USA, also the capital of abortions of the world.
Here is the bottom line. I believe the Allen does speak for the majority of Jews when he says this, and I quote:
ReplyDeleteJews find all those things amusing but simple minded, as IQ tests bear out. Indeed, some linguists posit that the very word Christian derives from the root word for "cretin" (Frankish), which means retarded (more or less). Oh, we Jews also think it is a good idea to know the language before translating the book or making moronic commentaries on its content, meaning, and implications.
Those feelings will not show on any polls. Quite the opposite. There is a very similar phenomenon in the push-polls purporting broad and deep support for Israel by non-Jews that does not reflect what they say out of ear shot of non-Jews.
It is the height of conceit for Allen and his kind to think that they have a secret antipathy for Christians, an antipathy that does not show up in polls, and that push-polls designed to make public opinion as opposed to reflecting public opinion accurately show support for Israel. Good luck with that one.
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DeleteI believe the Allen does speak for the majority of Jews when he says this...
I tend to disagree.
Strictly my opinion, of course; however, I find his choice of words telling. "Jews find all these things amusing..." and "...we Jews..." Allen, in his mind, speaks for all the Jews or at least those he considers 'real Jews'. Yet, I suspect that on many of the issues he discusses here probably half the Jews in the world would disagree with him.
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But their "Book" doesn't.
DeleteSo if the Jew is a 'religious' Jew, rather than a secular Jew, they would agree with allen.
Or they'd not be classified as religious.
The Zionist have so muddled the language, purposefully, that any discussion becomes opaque.
Is a secular Jew really a Jew?
Is being Jewish a religion or a Race?
If it is a Race, it is unlike any other Race on the plane, since 'Jew' is inclusive of blacks, browns and whites.
Semites, Africans, Asians and Europeans.
So, on the face of it, Jewishness is not a Race.
If it is a Race, it is unlike any other Race on theplanet ...
DeleteAllen is correct that Jews, as a group, no what level of "jewishness" do share a understanding and feeling that Christianity, as a whole, should stop telling us what our "books" say. that is arrogant of Christianity and also refers to the history of Christian behavior towards Jews.
DeleteNo faith and it's peoples really "respects" another's belief's or faith as if they did? they would convert.
As Jews, we respect all ethical folks, INSPITE of their stupid childish beliefs, INCLUDING our own.
To illustrate: I don't put cheese on my hamburger. You have the option of thinking it's silly and primitive. But it doesn't effect you in any way as long as I don't demand you do it also.
If Christians insist on taking our "torah" mistranslating it, adding parts and changing the order and changing the meanings of words? It's their right as we live in a free country, but they do not have a right to force us to accept those changes and make them our own, (btw that is only a recent thing that Jews have had a right to even argue back about this point, last 90 years tops)
In the end, the vast majority of Americans recognize the truth about Israel and Jews, That they are decent and fair, and that the other side of the argument, those supporting suicide bombings, ied's and slaughter? Are not on the side of America or Israel, Christians or Jews, or Wiccans or Gays, or Bhais or atheists...
Simple really...
I believe that allen's viewpoint is not uncommon among the Jews. Whether it's the "majority opinion," I wouldn't care to speculate.
DeleteOn the other hand, anti-Jewishness is not uncommon among non-Jewish Americans. And, again, as to whether it's the feeling of the majority, I have no way of knowing.
I do know that I hate religion, because it tends to promote such thinking.
Hey Jack?
DeleteWho is a Jew is above your pay grade.
Actually it's none of your concern.
Your opinions on the subject? As valuable as human fecal matter... Actually less so
We all KNOW your opinions about Jews, Israel, abortion, apartheid, money, politics, and the Jews that hide under your bed spying on you.
Let me be perfectly clear. You are one sick, retorted, self centered, narcissist who should be locked in a cage. Sadly in this nation? You are allowed to hide on your stolen bottom lands and terrorize the world from your keyboard.
But we do not fear. Karma has a way of catching up with even the most aggresses scum like you...
I just hope we hear about it when it happens...
I don't have a paygrade
DeleteBut you do speak like an "O"rganization Man, one consumed with process and forms.
DeleteSo sad for you, that you do not know what freedom means.
Enjoy your freedom for now.
DeletePlease let us know when your are sentenced
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DeleteAllen is correct that Jews, as a group, no what level of "jewishness" do share a understanding and feeling that Christianity, as a whole, should stop telling us what our "books" say. that is arrogant of Christianity and also refers to the history of Christian behavior towards Jews.
Yet, if you think about it, those Jews you talk about offer us a double standard. As you rightly point out, if everyone agreed there would be no conflicts or arguments. But people don't. There have been theological dispute between Jews and Christians since the beginning. In the early days, many Jews considered Christians as mere heretics.
Your argument that some here lack the background and knowledge to comment on Jewish theology is a legitimate one as far as it goes just as some of the comments you have made about Christian history and events is somewhat lacking. What you forget is this is just a blog.
If you are also arguing that Christian academics or theologians likewise should not be discussing Jewish texts, well that would be silly just as arguing that Jewish scholars shouldn't be discussing Christian theology is ridiculous despite any biases they may bring to the discussions. You can't stifle the dialectic process.
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That's all too fancy what with the talk of push polls and such and sounds like special pleading and that you lost an argument.
ReplyDeleteThough what argument it was I can't recall.
Best give it all a break and move on.
DeleteAre YOU moving on, Bob.
The air would be fresher if you did.
But worry not, we'll suffer your stupidity for as long as it take.
The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information.
― Henry A. Wallace
CBS, NBC and ABC are not enough for today's fascist, they want to dominate Social Media, too.
Israel Pays Students For Pro-Israeli Social Media Propaganda
The students won't do it for love of country, but need their shekels ....
Let's move on then.
ReplyDeleteTo Osiris.
Who is Isis.
Who is Osiris?
rat bats first.
Hint: not a tennis shoe
And in 500 words or more, or less, who really gives a fuck, how does this name relate to our monomyth of recent mention?
ReplyDeleterat goes first.
drunken dufus goes second.
Giving Deuce time to reflect, as he goes third.
;-)
DeleteIt came to us in the form of a white bull, from the east.
ReplyDeleteIt came, oh it came, it finally came, in the form of a white bull, from NieceLand.
ReplyDelete
DeleteStroked that woody four hours, thinking about the "Niece", aye
Bob is a looney tuneSun Jun 22, 03:16:00 PM EDT
DeleteStroked that woody four hours, thinking about the "Niece", aye
Interesting that this doesn't offend Deuce enough to delete it..
ReplyDeleteConfessions Of A Former Jew
The burning of the New Testaments took place in response to an order by the Mayor, Uzi Aharon Here. The mayor went through the city in a loud speaker car calling on the Jewish youth to retrieve and burn the New Testaments given to Ethiopian Jews in the city by Christian missionaries Here.
“I certainly do not denounce the burning of the booklets“ Aharon told Associated Press. And in a radio interview Aharon defended his actions calling the New Testament bonfire: “purging the evil among us.”
Jews should have the right, in one tiny place in the entire world to be free from missionaries.
DeleteFeell free to burn any copies of the Torah that are given to you in attempts to convert you by Jews.
DeleteSo sad for you, that you do not know what freedom means.
Being that you, a self confessed killer of civilians in central america, should talk of "freedom" is akin to Hitler lecturing folks about religious choices...
DeleteThe freedom we have in America is that even low life, murderous scum like you have the right to be as idiotic, shallow and hateful as you wish. But someday? Your crimes against humanity will catch up with you...
Let us know from jail before you are locked away forever...
Then you can tell us what freedom means.
The Jews disparage the Christians. The Christians denigrate the Muslims. The Muslims denounce us all.
ReplyDeleteWe outlaw "religion," or it will kill us all.
That's odd. As our favorite saying is "to life"
ReplyDeleteThe person you are referencing obviously is unbalanced. Just as you are.
No, he is a Jew, by birth.
ReplyDeleteWas educated in Judaic 'schools'.
It is an interesting video.
A fellow speaking well within his 'pay grade'.
ReplyDeleteWe'll just go recruit more 'experts', easy enough to do.
The "O"rganization Man will just have to defame and disparage ever more people, because when one has no facts, no references, no experts all that is left, ad hominem.
Once again you prove who you are.
ReplyDeleteThanks..
You lower the blog to the gutter....
All by yourself.
Again, thanks