The Euros can't make it up with Saudi Crude, because all the Saudi "spare capacity" is Heavy, Sour.
The Sauds could, possibly, get some of that stuff refined in Houston, and Port Arthur, for shipment to Europe; but, that'll take a while to set up (plus a lot of shipping time involved.
Once again, China comes out smelling like a rose. And, we exude the sweet aroma of the "organic fertilizer."
This thing is really interesting - at least to me, the hick from Idaahoooo
Hatfield told WND that he specifically asked the judge at the end of the hearing to close the record, and he did that. Hatfield said that should make it clear that as the decision is made, and any challenges progress, no new information can be added to the evidence already submitted.
Here below is Donofrio, telling us, say, folks, this is really serious --
“That President Obama’s attorneys didn’t show respect for the court, the citizens, the secretary of state, and the statutes of Georgia reveals the true character of the administration as being completely and utterly against state’s rights,” said attorney Leo Donofrio. “The federal government is growing out of control with every administration and this action today is a loud announcement that this administration is going to do what it likes, and you can imagine that their response to this judiciary would be exactly the same if this had been the U.S. Supreme Court.”
He said if Georgia does decide to keep Obama off its state election ballots, he (Obama) won’t appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, “because if he were to lose there, his entire administration would be void, including his appointments to the Supreme Court.”
“If Obama were to appeal in Georgia, only this election is in play, and only as to Georgia’s ballots, but if he loses in Georgia, appealing to the SCOTUS brings in his entire eligibility, and the legitimacy of his current administration,” Donofrio warned.
“My personal belief is that if the U.S. Supreme Court held that he was ineligible, he might simply ignore the ruling, and test the will of the nation, just as he is testing the will of the state of Georgia,” he said.
Here is the incentive for any country, including Iran, to get a nuclear weapon.
Economic sanctions by the European Union and the United States can only be allowed a limited time period to prevent Iran from attempting to acquire a nuclear arsenal before a military strike must be contemplated, Israeli leaders have declared.
The tough public stance from Tel Aviv comes amid conflicting reports on the readiness of the Israeli military establishment to carry out an attack on Iran.
One account claims that Israel's security agencies have concluded that the turmoil predicted from a strike, and the likely response from Tehran, has been widely exaggerated. However, a senior British official told The Independent that the hierarchy of the intelligence service, Mossad, and the armed forces continued to have deep trepidation about conflict in the region.
Speaking at the Davos economic summit yesterday, the Israeli Defence Minister, Ehud Barak, yesterday warned that a situation could be rapidly reached when even "surgical" military action could not block the Tehran regime from getting the bomb. "We will know early enough whether the Iranians are ready to give up their nuclear weapons," following measures such as the recently announced EU oil embargo, he said.
DAVID FARRAR, LEAH LAX, CODY JUDY, THOMAS MALAREN, LAURIE ROTH, Plaintiffs, v. BARACK OBAMA, Defendant. DAVID P. WELDEN, Plaintiff, v. BARACK OBAMA, Defendant. CARL SWENSSON, Plaintiff, v. BARACK OBAMA, Defendant.
boobie, they down play the nuclear weapon angle, because there is no proof that the Iranians have a program to weaponize their nuclear capacities.
There are rumors and bogus reports, according to the Russians and Chinese. There were no "New" claims in the last IAEA report, just a rehash of the old rumors and reports.
Which had been discounted, by US, under the Bush Administration.
Yep, i the Iranians embargo the flow to Greece, Italy and Spain, the EU is in the shits.
Who pays for the economic train wreck if Israel gets the US involved with another needless war with Iran or if US politicians are stupid enough to initiate it themselves? You do!
DAVOS, Switzerland — Economist Nouriel Roubini, nicknamed "Dr. Doom" for his gloomy predictions in the run-up to the financial meltdown four years ago, says the fallout from that crisis could last the rest of this decade. Roubini, widely acknowledged to have predicted the crash of 2008, sees tough times ahead for the global economy and is warning that without major policy changes things can still get much worse. He also warned that a conflict with Iran over its controversial nuclear program could lead to a global recession. Until Europe radically reforms itself and the U.S. gets serious about its own debt mountain, Roubini said, the world economy will continue to stumble along to the detriment of large chunks of the world's population who will continue to see their living standards under pressure, even if they have a job.
The Fed has already determined that all the chumps that saved their money will get no interest for the next two years. Nothing. That will be five years of little of no interest on savings while the government debases the value of the currency. Oil will sky rocket and everything based on it including food and transportation will become more costly. Iran is no threat to the lives of ordinary Americans. Going broke is.
“The red lines included any indications of sanctions, the red lines included any sort of imposition of arms embargo - because we know how in real life arms embargo means you supply arms to illegal groups but you cannot supply weapons to the government - we cannot accept that," he said. "Unfortunately, the draft we saw today did not only ignore our red lines but also added some new elements which we find unacceptable as a matter of principle.”
The Russian envoy said the Arab League plan, which includes the transfer of power from President Bashar al-Assad to a deputy in preparation for multi-party elections, imposes a certain outcome of political dialogue before that dialogue even starts.
“We need to concentrate on establishing political dialogue," he said. "The Arab League may have its ideas about where that political dialogue should go, they are free to express those ideas, but certainly the Security Council cannot be a tool to impose specific solutions on countries, including in this particular situation, Syria.”
He said Moscow does not see the new draft text as one on which they could agree, but said they would be willing to engage in negotiations.
You have to listen to the incoherence of the Israeli argument expressed in this little speech by Ehud Barak:
Israel's deputy prime minister and defence minister Ehud Barak has called for the international community to toughen up sanctions against Iran as he warned that Tehran's nuclear weapons programme would lead to proliferation, the spread of terrorism and a threat to oil supplies from the Middle East.
In a session at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Barak said: "You can't conceive of a stable world order when Iran has nuclear weapons."
He added: "Iran is prepared to defy and deceive the whole world to turn themselves into a nuclear power. This will be the end of any conceivable anti-proliferation programme. Major powers in the region will feel compelled to turn nuclear."
Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Egypt would respond to Iran arming itself with nuclear weapons with programmes of their own, Barak said.
Yukiya Amano, the director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said he was sending a team to Iran on Saturday, adding he was convinced that Tehran was seeking to establish a nuclear weapons capability.
Iran has insisted its nuclear programme is for non-military purposes, but Amano said: "Our information is credible. Iran is engaged in activities relevant to the development of nuclear explosives. We have asked for talks and we are meeting with them."
Barak said Iran wanted hegemony over oil resources from the Gulf region and said Tehran was secretly working towards a position where it would be able to arm itself with nuclear weapons. "Iran is trying to intimidate and coerce neighbouring Gulf states", he said.
"It is the time for much tougher diplomacy and sanctions because there is a risk not just to Israel but to the whole world. It will be much more complicated, much more dangerous and much more costly if we allow it to happen."
It would have been impossible for the west to topple Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi had they been armed with even small nuclear arsenals, he added.
1. Israel having a nuclear weapon monopoly is good. Israel claims Iran want hegemony over oil. That is bad.
2. The reason any country would want a nuclear weapon is because it has been proven to be a deterrent. Israel believes that and has nuclear weapons. Barak says:It would have been impossible for the west to topple Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi had they been armed with even small nuclear arsenals,
The idiot is arguing for Iran’s case, he is stating that it would have been impossible for Iraq and Libya to have been attacked by NATO and the US if Iraq and Libya had nuclear deterrence!
Barak also opines that Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Egypt would respond to Iran arming itself with nuclear weapons with programmes of their own, Barak said. Gee, how did they figure that out? It just isn’t fair that any country, except Israel of course, should want to have the only proven deterrence to outside attack, nuclear weapons.
The reality is that Israel, as an undeclared and unregulated nuclear power is the motivational force that will ultimately influence Iran, Egypt, Turkey and Saudi Arabia to acquire nuclear weapons. An attack by Israel and the US on Iran will hasten the day and build the stockpile higher.
Don’t do as I do, do as I say., always a winning argument.
We are getting closer to war with Iran. It will cost us dearly and the first in line looking for money, (grants and loans that will never be repaid) due to the “ costs of the war” will be? Not Alabama or Pennsylvania.
Now of course , I'm only an arm chair General, but here is what I would advise President Obama to do.
Firstly, we certainly have to prepare for war and this build-up will take at least one month at the soonest. We don't want to block the Strait of Hormuz because so much of the world is dependent on the oil that passes through that narrow inlet! My first order would be to have our carrier based jets paint their surface radar. Then, I would utilize the whole Sixth Fleet to fire a barrage of missles to take out their command and control radar and communications sites. Simultaneously, I would strike their comms. and computers with a DOS(denial of service attack) and set off a manageble "tactical nuclear weapon" in the atmosphere to further decimate their C and C capabilities and all other electronic capabilities. I would simultaneouly have my B-1's and bombers loaded with JDAM's and decapitate all existing C and C facilities, tv and radio stations and comm facilities remaining.
The following fourteen days would consist of reevaluation and a constant barrage of Patriot missles fired from land and sea in conjuction with precision targeting from Naval offshore guns!
I think you get the message. I would prosecute real WAR, a standoff war, and not the first American boy would lose his blood on a foreign shore! SO HELP ME GOD!
***The rhetoric of war is radicalizing the foreign policy environment in the United States, and empowering the hawks on both sides of the conflict.
***Promising military action to stop Iran has become a central campaign strategy by Republican presidential contenders.
***Toughness and readiness to wage war is becoming a prerequisite for victory in 2012, pushing the Obama Administration towards a riskier approach towards Iran.
***The Iranian government is using the threat of war with the United States to repress its internal opposition and further reaffirm its grip over the society.
***The pro-government media in Iran is inundated with proclamations of victory of the Islamic Republic in the case of a war with the U.S. and its allies.
***Although the Iranian regime avoided actual confrontation with the United States in the past, the situation is substantially different now.
*** Embattled by factional struggles, and weakened by an ailing economy, the dominant faction of the regime may welcome a limited war with the United States.
***The road between a war of words and covert actions, and a real military confrontation may prove too short.
***The Strait of Hormuz has become an ammunition depot ready to explode by deliberate action, or a simple misjudgment.
***Meanwhile, there is no echo of the voices of the Iranian people in the media and policy circles. Their opinions of war and peace remain absent in the discussion of the conflict.
And, people that don't know that "Patriot" missiles are "Anti-Missile" Missiles are advocating a "Real" War, and throwing in idiocies like "no loss of American Life."
No thought given that Iran is 2 1/2 times the size of Texas, and that it is a country of 78 Million People,
or that the Coastline of the Persian Gulf is 600 Miles Long.
Obama has been seduced by the use of military power as has every president since Eisenhower. The CINC routine and all those snappy salutes boarding military planes are too delicious a snack to pass up. If we let the CINC wear a uniform, we would need twenty carriers. Thank Zeus for small favors.
Deuce:We are getting closer to war with Iran. It will cost us dearly and the first in line looking for money, (grants and loans that will never be repaid) due to the “ costs of the war” will be? Not Alabama or Pennsylvania.
Gulf One, our special friend made us pay $13 billion not to look for Scuds. They got the idea from Uncle Sam paying Bobbo not to grow Spuds.
Jimbo:The following fourteen days would consist of reevaluation and a constant barrage of Patriot missles fired from land and sea in conjuction with precision targeting from Naval offshore guns!
No, first you get Europe weaned off Iranian oil (check!), then you close the Strait of Hormuz to two-way traffic. US Navy can close as well as open. Pisses off China, so much the better.
My Family has fought in every war since the White Man came to America. But, I'll be damned if I'll send my kids, and grandkids to fight for Exxon, and Israel.
No, first you get Europe weaned off Iranian oil (check!), then you close the Strait of Hormuz to two-way traffic. US Navy can close as well as open. Pisses off China, so much the better.
Stick to fixing robots. You sound like Gen. Jack D. Ripper from Dr. Strangelove.
Echoing President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who said on Thursday that Europe would be the loser from its sanctions policy, the hardline cleric leading Friday prayers at Tehran university jibed: "Why wait six months, why not right away? The answer is clear. They are in trouble; they are grappling with crisis."
That comment from Ahmad Khatami indicated the pre-emptive export ban is backed by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
The EU accounted for 25 percent of Iranian crude oil sales in the third quarter of 2011. But China, India and others have made clear that they are keen to soak up any spare Iranian oil, even as U.S. Treasury measures to choke Tehran's dollar trade make it harder to pay for supplies.
SANCTIONS
Highlighting the difficulties of securing global sanctions when many governments, including Russia and China, question their value or say they will only harden Iranian defiance, Turkish state-controlled Halkbank, a key player in handling payments for Iranian oil, said it would keep on doing so.
A manager at the bank told Reuters that, as far as it was concerned, it was not in breach of U.S. financial sanctions.
The EU's response was muted, saying that Iran's intentions had been reported. "We want to see Iran coming back to the negotiating table, engaging in meaningful discussion on confidence-building measures and demonstrate the willingness to address concerns over its nuclear program, without preconditions," said Maja Kocijancic, spokeswoman for EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton.
The EU's response was muted, saying that Iran's intentions had been reported. "We want to see Iran coming back to the negotiating table, engaging in meaningful discussion on confidence-building measures and demonstrate the willingness to address concerns over its nuclear program, without preconditions," said Maja Kocijancic, spokeswoman for EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton.
Sounds like the EU is desparately looking for a way out. If Iran throws them any kind of a bone (real or not), just something to save a little face, they will be gone and any coalition that exists will crumble. Bad news for the good guys.
The Navy is converting an aging warship it had planned to decommission into a makeshift staging base for commandos as tensions rise with Iran, al-Qaeda in Yemen and Somali pirates, among other threats...
"...I'll be damned if I'll send my kids, and grandkids to fight for Exxon, and Israel. "
You girls need to untwist your panties and get over your preoccupation with Israel. The reviled "shitty little country" has less to do with world affairs than Saudi Arabia.
That the Saudi and Israeli are allied, against Iran, jubal, gives lie to the "War on Islam".
Even for the very idea of it.
That the supporters of Israel and Saudi Arabia advocate against the Alawi of Syria and for the Muslim Brotherhood, there, further exemplifies the Israeli alliance with the Wahhabi.
The same Wahhabi that financed the raids against the United States, back on 11SEP01.
The fact is, the "Rich and Powerful" achieve Wealth and Power manipulating the poor and weak into self-destructive enterprises (Drugs, and War, to name two.)
This will be a fine war for the "Super-rich;" but the rest of us will suffer, mightily, as a result.
The price of tea, in China, impacts GM sales. It impacts the availability of sovereign debt refinancing in Europe. It impacts the availability of credit in the US. It impacts economic development across "Latin" America.
The price of tea, in China, more important to US than we'd like to admit.
All I can figure out about the "Drug Cartels" is that the big U.S. Banks are funding them, the government of Mexico is protecting them, and the government of the U.S. is supplying them with weapons.
If those "alleged" conspirator were Iranian government sponsored why did they not use Hugo's network, which I am told that I must fear, but instead tried to buy explosives in a Mexican border town?
You Quirk, are out of the running, cause you have no idea at all what to do.
So you would propose doing 'anything' rather than not do anything even if the 'anything' could make matters much worse in the hopes of solving a problem a good portion of American's aren't convinced is a a major problem or, at least, not an existential one.
You should be exercising more than that hip, bobbo.
Who is Saul Alinsky, and why is Newt Gingrich so obsessed with him?
Christian Science Monitor -
Newt Gingrich keeps likening President Obama to radical community organizer Saul Alinsky. But Gingrich seems to have adopted Alinsky's tactics himself, as has the tea party.
FreedomWorks, the tea party group headed by former Republican House Leader Dick Armey, gives copies of “Rules for Radicals” to its leaders.
“His tactics when it comes to grass-roots organizing are incredibly effective,”
FreedomWorks spokesman Adam Brandon told the Wall Street Journal.
Tea Partyers aggressively confronting lawmakers at town hall meetings is straight from Alinsky’s playbook.
Conservative icon William F. Buckley Jr. called the Chicago radical "very close to being an organizational genius."
As a former history professor, Gingrich not only understands Alinsky’s motif, he’s made it a key part of his campaign.
“Gingrich's clashes against the establishment are classic Alinsky,” writes Philip Klein, senior editorial writer for the conservative Washington Examiner.
NASA's latest mission to Mars received a welcome surprise this week: A large solar storm that allow the spacecraft to measure the radiation a human astronaut could be exposed to en route to the Red Planet.
They're going to shit if Iran decides to quit shipping to the EU.
ReplyDeleteThe Euros can't make it up with Saudi Crude, because all the Saudi "spare capacity" is Heavy, Sour.
ReplyDeleteThe Sauds could, possibly, get some of that stuff refined in Houston, and Port Arthur, for shipment to Europe; but, that'll take a while to set up (plus a lot of shipping time involved.
Once again, China comes out smelling like a rose. And, we exude the sweet aroma of the "organic fertilizer."
later :)
ReplyDeleteThey have said Iran can't ship to the EU.
ReplyDeleteAnd the commentator is saying, this stupidity, which is against the EU and the American interest too, is brought to us all by -- Washington.
That is, by the usurper.
Your guy, rufus.
0:19 to 0:30
ReplyDeletehappens upon Washington's (Obama's) wishes the guy says
Where'd Rufus go?
I think that guy down plays the seriousness of the nuke angle.
ReplyDeleteThis thing is really interesting - at least to me, the hick from Idaahoooo
ReplyDeleteHatfield told WND that he specifically asked the judge at the end of the hearing to close the record, and he did that. Hatfield said that should make it clear that as the decision is made, and any challenges progress, no new information can be added to the evidence already submitted.
Here below is Donofrio, telling us, say, folks, this is really serious --
“That President Obama’s attorneys didn’t show respect for the court, the citizens, the secretary of state, and the statutes of Georgia reveals the true character of the administration as being completely and utterly against state’s rights,” said attorney Leo Donofrio. “The federal government is growing out of control with every administration and this action today is a loud announcement that this administration is going to do what it likes, and you can imagine that their response to this judiciary would be exactly the same if this had been the U.S. Supreme Court.”
He said if Georgia does decide to keep Obama off its state election ballots, he (Obama) won’t appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, “because if he were to lose there, his entire administration would be void, including his appointments to the Supreme Court.”
“If Obama were to appeal in Georgia, only this election is in play, and only as to Georgia’s ballots, but if he loses in Georgia, appealing to the SCOTUS brings in his entire eligibility, and the legitimacy of his current administration,” Donofrio warned.
“My personal belief is that if the U.S. Supreme Court held that he was ineligible, he might simply ignore the ruling, and test the will of the nation, just as he is testing the will of the state of Georgia,” he said.
HERE
Here is the incentive for any country, including Iran, to get a nuclear weapon.
ReplyDeleteEconomic sanctions by the European Union and the United States can only be allowed a limited time period to prevent Iran from attempting to acquire a nuclear arsenal before a military strike must be contemplated, Israeli leaders have declared.
The tough public stance from Tel Aviv comes amid conflicting reports on the readiness of the Israeli military establishment to carry out an attack on Iran.
One account claims that Israel's security agencies have concluded that the turmoil predicted from a strike, and the likely response from Tehran, has been widely exaggerated. However, a senior British official told The Independent that the hierarchy of the intelligence service, Mossad, and the armed forces continued to have deep trepidation about conflict in the region.
Speaking at the Davos economic summit yesterday, the Israeli Defence Minister, Ehud Barak, yesterday warned that a situation could be rapidly reached when even "surgical" military action could not block the Tehran regime from getting the bomb. "We will know early enough whether the Iranians are ready to give up their nuclear weapons," following measures such as the recently announced EU oil embargo, he said.
Donofrio's Amicus Brief
ReplyDeleteThe President
Walked On By
Never showed
He done High Toed
To another Town
Far away
DAVID FARRAR,
ReplyDeleteLEAH LAX, CODY
JUDY, THOMAS
MALAREN, LAURIE
ROTH, Plaintiffs,
v.
BARACK OBAMA,
Defendant.
DAVID P. WELDEN,
Plaintiff,
v.
BARACK OBAMA,
Defendant.
CARL SWENSSON,
Plaintiff,
v. BARACK
OBAMA, Defendant.
Don't cha just love the sounds of that??
HERE IS ANOTHER COPY OF DONOFRIO'S BRIEF - I NOTICED THE FIRST ONE DIDN'T OPEN SO WELL
ReplyDeleteBOB
ReplyDeleteTHIS CASE IS NOT GOOD FOR THAT THING
BLESSINGS
DALE
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I trust you won't even look at it.
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It's been a terrible long night for Dale and I at the Constitutional Emergency Room, g'nite
boobie, they down play the nuclear weapon angle, because there is no proof that the Iranians have a program to weaponize their nuclear capacities.
ReplyDeleteThere are rumors and bogus reports, according to the Russians and Chinese. There were no "New" claims in the last IAEA report, just a rehash of the old rumors and reports.
Which had been discounted, by US, under the Bush Administration.
Yep, i the Iranians embargo the flow to Greece, Italy and Spain, the EU is in the shits.
Who pays for the economic train wreck if Israel gets the US involved with another needless war with Iran or if US politicians are stupid enough to initiate it themselves? You do!
ReplyDeleteDAVOS, Switzerland — Economist Nouriel Roubini, nicknamed "Dr. Doom" for his gloomy predictions in the run-up to the financial meltdown four years ago, says the fallout from that crisis could last the rest of this decade.
Roubini, widely acknowledged to have predicted the crash of 2008, sees tough times ahead for the global economy and is warning that without major policy changes things can still get much worse.
He also warned that a conflict with Iran over its controversial nuclear program could lead to a global recession.
Until Europe radically reforms itself and the U.S. gets serious about its own debt mountain, Roubini said, the world economy will continue to stumble along to the detriment of large chunks of the world's population who will continue to see their living standards under pressure, even if they have a job.
The Fed has already determined that all the chumps that saved their money will get no interest for the next two years. Nothing. That will be five years of little of no interest on savings while the government debases the value of the currency. Oil will sky rocket and everything based on it including food and transportation will become more costly. Iran is no threat to the lives of ordinary Americans. Going broke is.
ReplyDelete“The red lines included any indications of sanctions, the red lines included any sort of imposition of arms embargo - because we know how in real life arms embargo means you supply arms to illegal groups but you cannot supply weapons to the government - we cannot accept that," he said. "Unfortunately, the draft we saw today did not only ignore our red lines but also added some new elements which we find unacceptable as a matter of principle.”
ReplyDeleteThe Russian envoy said the Arab League plan, which includes the transfer of power from President Bashar al-Assad to a deputy in preparation for multi-party elections, imposes a certain outcome of political dialogue before that dialogue even starts.
“We need to concentrate on establishing political dialogue," he said. "The Arab League may have its ideas about where that political dialogue should go, they are free to express those ideas, but certainly the Security Council cannot be a tool to impose specific solutions on countries, including in this particular situation, Syria.”
He said Moscow does not see the new draft text as one on which they could agree, but said they would be willing to engage in negotiations.
You have to listen to the incoherence of the Israeli argument expressed in this little speech by Ehud Barak:
ReplyDeleteIsrael's deputy prime minister and defence minister Ehud Barak has called for the international community to toughen up sanctions against Iran as he warned that Tehran's nuclear weapons programme would lead to proliferation, the spread of terrorism and a threat to oil supplies from the Middle East.
In a session at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Barak said: "You can't conceive of a stable world order when Iran has nuclear weapons."
He added: "Iran is prepared to defy and deceive the whole world to turn themselves into a nuclear power. This will be the end of any conceivable anti-proliferation programme. Major powers in the region will feel compelled to turn nuclear."
Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Egypt would respond to Iran arming itself with nuclear weapons with programmes of their own, Barak said.
Yukiya Amano, the director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said he was sending a team to Iran on Saturday, adding he was convinced that Tehran was seeking to establish a nuclear weapons capability.
Iran has insisted its nuclear programme is for non-military purposes, but Amano said: "Our information is credible. Iran is engaged in activities relevant to the development of nuclear explosives. We have asked for talks and we are meeting with them."
Barak said Iran wanted hegemony over oil resources from the Gulf region and said Tehran was secretly working towards a position where it would be able to arm itself with nuclear weapons. "Iran is trying to intimidate and coerce neighbouring Gulf states", he said.
"It is the time for much tougher diplomacy and sanctions because there is a risk not just to Israel but to the whole world. It will be much more complicated, much more dangerous and much more costly if we allow it to happen."
It would have been impossible for the west to topple Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi had they been armed with even small nuclear arsenals, he added.
1. Israel having a nuclear weapon monopoly is good. Israel claims Iran want hegemony over oil. That is bad.
2. The reason any country would want a nuclear weapon is because it has been proven to be a deterrent. Israel believes that and has nuclear weapons. Barak says:It would have been impossible for the west to topple Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi had they been armed with even small nuclear arsenals,
The idiot is arguing for Iran’s case, he is stating that it would have been impossible for Iraq and Libya to have been attacked by NATO and the US if Iraq and Libya had nuclear deterrence!
Barak also opines that Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Egypt would respond to Iran arming itself with nuclear weapons with programmes of their own, Barak said. Gee, how did they figure that out? It just isn’t fair that any country, except Israel of course, should want to have the only proven deterrence to outside attack, nuclear weapons.
The reality is that Israel, as an undeclared and unregulated nuclear power is the motivational force that will ultimately influence Iran, Egypt, Turkey and Saudi Arabia to acquire nuclear weapons. An attack by Israel and the US on Iran will hasten the day and build the stockpile higher.
Don’t do as I do, do as I say., always a winning argument.
We are getting closer to war with Iran. It will cost us dearly and the first in line looking for money, (grants and loans that will never be repaid) due to the “ costs of the war” will be? Not Alabama or Pennsylvania.
ReplyDelete…and Ron Paul is crazy for mentioning it. Crazy.
ReplyDeleteNot Texas or Florida.
ReplyDeleteIdaho!
ReplyDeleteNow of course , I'm only an arm chair General, but here is what I would advise President Obama to do.
ReplyDeleteFirstly, we certainly have to prepare for war and this build-up will take at least one month at the soonest. We don't want to block the Strait of Hormuz because so much of the world is dependent on the oil that passes through that narrow inlet! My first order would be to have our carrier based jets paint their surface radar. Then, I would utilize the whole Sixth Fleet to fire a barrage of missles to take out their command and control radar and communications sites. Simultaneously, I would strike their comms. and computers with a DOS(denial of service attack) and set off a manageble "tactical nuclear weapon" in the atmosphere to further decimate their C and C capabilities and all other electronic capabilities. I would simultaneouly have my B-1's and bombers loaded with JDAM's and decapitate all existing C and C facilities, tv and radio stations and comm facilities remaining.
The following fourteen days would consist of reevaluation and a constant barrage of Patriot missles fired from land and sea in conjuction with precision targeting from Naval offshore guns!
I think you get the message. I would prosecute real WAR, a standoff war, and not the first American boy would lose his blood on a foreign shore! SO HELP ME GOD!
Insanity.
ReplyDeleteMedian Family Disposable Income is dropping like a rock in the U.S.
46 Million of Food Stamps.
A Work Force unequipped for 21st Century jobs.
8.5% Unemployment.
Energy costs skyrocketing.
$ Trillion Deficits as far as the eye can see.
Trade Deficits approaching $2 Billion/Day.
And, these fools want a Major (and, I mean "Major") War in the Persiand Gulf.
Unfreakingbelievable
***The rhetoric of war is radicalizing the foreign policy environment in the United States, and empowering the hawks on both sides of the conflict.
ReplyDelete***Promising military action to stop Iran has become a central campaign strategy by Republican presidential contenders.
***Toughness and readiness to wage war is becoming a prerequisite for victory in 2012, pushing the Obama Administration towards a riskier approach towards Iran.
***The Iranian government is using the threat of war with the United States to repress its internal opposition and further reaffirm its grip over the society.
***The pro-government media in Iran is inundated with proclamations of victory of the Islamic Republic in the case of a war with the U.S. and its allies.
***Although the Iranian regime avoided actual confrontation with the United States in the past, the situation is substantially different now.
*** Embattled by factional struggles, and weakened by an ailing economy, the dominant faction of the regime may welcome a limited war with the United States.
***The road between a war of words and covert actions, and a real military confrontation may prove too short.
***The Strait of Hormuz has become an ammunition depot ready to explode by deliberate action, or a simple misjudgment.
***Meanwhile, there is no echo of the voices of the Iranian people in the media and policy circles. Their opinions of war and peace remain absent in the discussion of the conflict.
***Israel is smiling.
And, people that don't know that "Patriot" missiles are "Anti-Missile" Missiles are advocating a "Real" War, and throwing in idiocies like "no loss of American Life."
ReplyDeleteNo thought given that Iran is 2 1/2 times the size of Texas, and that it is a country of 78 Million People,
or that the Coastline of the Persian Gulf is 600 Miles Long.
Obama has been seduced by the use of military power as has every president since Eisenhower. The CINC routine and all those snappy salutes boarding military planes are too delicious a snack to pass up. If we let the CINC wear a uniform, we would need twenty carriers. Thank Zeus for small favors.
ReplyDeleteGive peace a chance.
ReplyDeleteHow about this:
ReplyDeleteIran is Seven Times the Size of Idaho.
Eleven Times the Size of North Carolina,
and 13 Times the Size of Pennsylvania.
Now, anyone with a modicum of common sense will tell you that, "If you want to control a country that size you have to Occupy it."
Enough troops to control the entire Eastern Seaboard? These people have gone Mad.
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ReplyDeleteSounds like a Jim-jam to me. Arm chair general? Best go back to X-Box 360 and the World at War series.
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Rufus: Now, anyone with a modicum of common sense will tell you that, "If you want to control a country that size you have to Occupy it."
ReplyDeleteIran is like a television that only shows MSNBC. I don't want to control it, I want to break it so it don't work anymore.
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ReplyDeleteIran is like a television that only shows MSNBC. I don't want to control it, I want to break it so it don't work anymore.
Moonbeams and lollipops. Or, just something clever to offer this Saturday morning?
Easy to say. How do you propose doing it? Do you second 'ol Jim's proposal? Or, do you have your own war plan?
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The Israeli could not break Lebanon or Hezbollah, right next door, without going through that door..
ReplyDeleteThe US cannot "break" Iran, from afar.
There is no historical military example of success to point to.
Not Germany, not Japan, not North Vietnam.
Deuce: We are getting closer to war with Iran. It will cost us dearly and the first in line looking for money, (grants and loans that will never be repaid) due to the “ costs of the war” will be? Not Alabama or Pennsylvania.
ReplyDeleteGulf One, our special friend made us pay $13 billion not to look for Scuds. They got the idea from Uncle Sam paying Bobbo not to grow Spuds.
We "broke" a country 1/5 its size; what did that cost us?
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ReplyDeleteSomeone here mentioned all the GOP candidates are saying Obama is weak on Iran, moving too slow, that if they get the bomb, it's his fault.
If we go to war with Iran, they (including the Wizard of Idaho) will say it was all a political calculation to help him with the election.
The wisdom of OZ (and Moscow).
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Jimbo: The following fourteen days would consist of reevaluation and a constant barrage of Patriot missles fired from land and sea in conjuction with precision targeting from Naval offshore guns!
ReplyDeleteNo, first you get Europe weaned off Iranian oil (check!), then you close the Strait of Hormuz to two-way traffic. US Navy can close as well as open. Pisses off China, so much the better.
Right now, Obama is the loneliest guy in town. Every Financial/Industrial Interest in America is lining up behind "War with Iran." Every One.
ReplyDeleteThey are Rich, and going to get Richer. Their Kids will not serve.
We, on the other hand, will get a whole hell of a lot "Poorer," and "Our Kids will be the ones to Get Killed, and Maimed."
Rufus II said...
ReplyDeleteWe "broke" a country 1/5 its size; what did that cost us?
Breaking it was easy. Three weeks. Mission Accomplished. Patrolling it and rebuilding it was hard. Let the Iranians pick up the pieces.
My Family has fought in every war since the White Man came to America. But, I'll be damned if I'll send my kids, and grandkids to fight for Exxon, and Israel.
ReplyDeleteWap, did you not watch the video?
ReplyDeleteItaly stays on Iranian oil, Greece gets an exemption.
The "EU Embargo Regime" does not start until July.
What if Iran weans the EU, early, without exemptions?
Other than financial meltdown of the Euro Central Bank.
Yes, T, we can "Break" it. But, if the goal is to keep it from getting "Nukes" we'll have to Occupy it.
ReplyDeleteWe had CIA all over Pakistan, and were "shocked, shocked" when they popped their firecracker.
That's got to teach us something.
The Iranians then build their nuke, if "someone" is not watching them, up close and personal.
ReplyDeleteUnder massive day and night bombing, NAZI industrial production increased.
There were no mountains between the 1st phase line and Baghdad. That is not true of Tehran.
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ReplyDeleteNo, first you get Europe weaned off Iranian oil (check!), then you close the Strait of Hormuz to two-way traffic. US Navy can close as well as open. Pisses off China, so much the better.
Stick to fixing robots. You sound like Gen. Jack D. Ripper from Dr. Strangelove.
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$35,800 a ticket to have a drink with the President. The Elephant Bar needs a business model like that.
ReplyDeleteRufus: We had CIA all over Pakistan, and were "shocked, shocked" when they popped their firecracker.
ReplyDeleteThe CIA that gave us Bay of Pigs and the Shah and missed 9-11 and the collapse of the Soviet Union? Say it ain't so!
The CIA is US, Waspy.
ReplyDeleteGives one an idea of...
Past performance predicting future results
Echoing President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who said on Thursday that Europe would be the loser from its sanctions policy, the hardline cleric leading Friday prayers at Tehran university jibed: "Why wait six months, why not right away? The answer is clear. They are in trouble; they are grappling with crisis."
ReplyDeleteThat comment from Ahmad Khatami indicated the pre-emptive export ban is backed by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
The EU accounted for 25 percent of Iranian crude oil sales in the third quarter of 2011. But China, India and others have made clear that they are keen to soak up any spare Iranian oil, even as U.S. Treasury measures to choke Tehran's dollar trade make it harder to pay for supplies.
SANCTIONS
Highlighting the difficulties of securing global sanctions when many governments, including Russia and China, question their value or say they will only harden Iranian defiance, Turkish state-controlled Halkbank, a key player in handling payments for Iranian oil, said it would keep on doing so.
A manager at the bank told Reuters that, as far as it was concerned, it was not in breach of U.S. financial sanctions.
The EU's response was muted, saying that Iran's intentions had been reported. "We want to see Iran coming back to the negotiating table, engaging in meaningful discussion on confidence-building measures and demonstrate the willingness to address concerns over its nuclear program, without preconditions," said Maja Kocijancic, spokeswoman for EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton.
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ReplyDeleteThe EU's response was muted, saying that Iran's intentions had been reported. "We want to see Iran coming back to the negotiating table, engaging in meaningful discussion on confidence-building measures and demonstrate the willingness to address concerns over its nuclear program, without preconditions," said Maja Kocijancic, spokeswoman for EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton.
Sounds like the EU is desparately looking for a way out. If Iran throws them any kind of a bone (real or not), just something to save a little face, they will be gone and any coalition that exists will crumble. Bad news for the good guys.
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The Europeons are suffering from a severe case of hubris, whether they are in residing in Berlin or Jerusalem.
ReplyDeleteThinking that the shit only flows in one direction.
If nuclear weapons guarantee survival, why are the Israeli so afraid?
Jim may have the right idea, just needs a little tuning there.
ReplyDeleteQuirk, would you QUIT QUIT QUIT putting words in my mouth?
You know that I was for bombing Iran some years ago but more or less think it's probably kinda too late now and don't know what to do.
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the crapper speaks...
boobie, they down play the nuclear weapon angle, because there is no proof that the Iranians have a program to weaponize their nuclear capacities.
heh
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ReplyDeleteFrom the WAPO,
Pentagon to send floating base to Mideast
The Navy is converting an aging warship it had planned to decommission into a makeshift staging base for commandos as tensions rise with Iran, al-Qaeda in Yemen and Somali pirates, among other threats...
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You are going to tell US it's a
ReplyDeleteSlam Dunk!
that they are, boobie?
"Jim" doesn't have the foggiest what a Patriot Missile is, but "he might have the right idea?"
ReplyDeleteYou're an imbecile.
"...I'll be damned if I'll send my kids, and grandkids to fight for Exxon, and Israel. "
ReplyDeleteYou girls need to untwist your panties and get over your preoccupation with Israel. The reviled "shitty little country" has less to do with world affairs than Saudi Arabia.
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ReplyDeleteQuirk, would you QUIT QUIT QUIT putting words in my mouth?
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Jim may have the right idea, just needs a little tuning there.
Too funny.
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A handful of Seals to sneak in and, covertly, secure a 600 Mile Coastline . . . .
ReplyDeleteThe "Drumbeat" intensifies. Time to "fire up the dummies."
Assholes
Laughed when I saw that earlier, Q.
ReplyDeleteYou would think that with 8 of these Wasp class amphibious assault ships...
... and the five Tarawa class amphibious assault ships that we'd not need to recycle old ships, for the same mission.
The King of Saudi Arabia isn't on TV every day, lobbying my Congress, and President to take us into a Devastating War in Persia.
ReplyDeleteI'll grant you one of three. The Sauds aren't on TV everyday.
ReplyDeleteThat the Saudi and Israeli are allied, against Iran, jubal, gives lie to the "War on Islam".
ReplyDeleteEven for the very idea of it.
That the supporters of Israel and Saudi Arabia advocate against the Alawi of Syria and for the Muslim Brotherhood, there, further exemplifies the Israeli alliance with the Wahhabi.
The same Wahhabi that financed the raids against the United States, back on 11SEP01.
The fact is, the "Rich and Powerful" achieve Wealth and Power manipulating the poor and weak into self-destructive enterprises (Drugs, and War, to name two.)
ReplyDeleteThis will be a fine war for the "Super-rich;" but the rest of us will suffer, mightily, as a result.
So? What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?
ReplyDeleteIran is a threat to both countries.
When's the last time Iran attacked "anyone?"
ReplyDeleteBet you'll have to "look it up."
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ReplyDeleteBut Iran is not a threat to US, jubal.
ReplyDeleteThat is one of the points.
That Islam is not the "enemy", another.
The price of tea, in China, has a direct economic impact on the price of iPods in the US.
ReplyDeleteMy God, we'll blow another Trillion Dollars over there, quicker'n a cat can lick its ass.
ReplyDeleteWe could be, absolutely, energy independent for less than half that much.
Rufus II: When's the last time Iran attacked "anyone?"
ReplyDeleteOct 11, 2011 – Two Men Charged in Alleged Plot to Assassinate Saudi Arabian Ambassador to the United States.
The price of tea, in China, impacts GM sales.
ReplyDeleteIt impacts the availability of sovereign debt refinancing in Europe.
It impacts the availability of credit in the US.
It impacts economic development across "Latin" America.
The price of tea, in China, more important to US than we'd like to admit.
I'll make it easy, T. I don't think the Persians have attacked "anybody" in over 2,000 years.
ReplyDeleteThere was no attack, by the "alleged" conspirators, Waspy.
ReplyDeleteThere is no proven connection between the "alleged" conspirators and the Iranian government.
No more than there is a known connection between the US Marine convicted of spying in Iran and the CIA.
Was that Marine "proof" of a US attack upon Iran? Does his conviction prove the US is involved in sabotage in Iran?
May have
ReplyDeleteHe actually may have the right idea.
You Quirk, are out of the running, cause you have no idea at all what to do.
In fact you don't seem to admit there just might be a little problem here.
It's odd. Back in the day when I really was advocating for doing something, Ruf was almost convinced, too.
But now, he's an Obama supporter, so there you have it.
The Communist Party, The New Black Panther Party, Lady Ga-Ga, and Ruf.
All the event of last October "proves" is that the US government has thoroughly infiltrated the Mexican drug cartels.
ReplyDeleteBut does not "shut them down".
All I can figure out about the "Drug Cartels" is that the big U.S. Banks are funding them, the government of Mexico is protecting them, and the government of the U.S. is supplying them with weapons.
ReplyDeleteIf those "alleged" conspirator were Iranian government sponsored why did they not use Hugo's network, which I am told that I must fear, but instead tried to buy explosives in a Mexican border town?
ReplyDeleteRussell & Company Rules, rufus.
ReplyDeleteThe names change, but the song remains the same.
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ReplyDeleteSan Francisco: Muslim gets $465,000 for hurt feelings
ReplyDeleteA body could get some tall money in here.
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ReplyDeleteMay have
He actually may have the right idea.
You Quirk, are out of the running, cause you have no idea at all what to do.
So you would propose doing 'anything' rather than not do anything even if the 'anything' could make matters much worse in the hopes of solving a problem a good portion of American's aren't convinced is a a major problem or, at least, not an existential one.
You should be exercising more than that hip, bobbo.
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Rufus II: When's the last time Iran attacked "anyone?"
ReplyDeleteOct 11, 2011 – Two Men Charged in Alleged Plot to Assassinate Saudi Arabian Ambassador to the United States.
Yea, right, got it.
Christian Science Monitor
ReplyDeleteWho is Saul Alinsky, and why is Newt Gingrich so obsessed with him?
Christian Science Monitor -
Newt Gingrich keeps likening President Obama to radical community organizer Saul Alinsky. But Gingrich seems to have adopted Alinsky's tactics himself, as has the tea party.
Rules for Radicals are tactics, not ideology.
Chi-town Standard.
Hubbert's failed "peak gas" forecast
ReplyDeleteTake peak oil with a similarly large pinch of salt.
FreedomWorks, the tea party group headed by former Republican House Leader Dick Armey, gives copies of “Rules for Radicals” to its leaders.
ReplyDelete“His tactics when it comes to grass-roots organizing are incredibly effective,”
FreedomWorks spokesman Adam Brandon told the Wall Street Journal.
Tea Partyers aggressively confronting lawmakers at town hall meetings is straight from Alinsky’s playbook.
Conservative icon William F. Buckley Jr. called the Chicago radical "very close to being an organizational genius."
As a former history professor, Gingrich not only understands Alinsky’s motif, he’s made it a key part of his campaign.
“Gingrich's clashes against the establishment are classic Alinsky,”
writes Philip Klein, senior editorial writer for the conservative Washington Examiner.
Gene Simmons, bassist for KISS (Knights In Satan's Service) is for Romney.
ReplyDeleteIsraeli soldiers drive tractor over worker’s legs to stop Palestinians from building a house on their (occupied) lands
ReplyDeleteBecause arresting the guy is too hard.
ReplyDeleteNASA's latest mission to Mars received a welcome surprise this week: A large solar storm that allow the spacecraft to measure the radiation a human astronaut could be exposed to en route to the Red Planet.
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ReplyDeleteSay, Bob. Go pack and read my critique of your girl Sarah's post on the last stream.
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"No one called your numbers lies."
ReplyDeleteRat @ 2:19
"The GOP talking point, that 1% pay 36%, a lie. Pure and simple."
another israel bashing thread ...
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