According to the Blogger archives, it was only 20 months ago in September 2006 when a group of opinionated, big-mouthed, prolific commenters were "invited" to leave the ritzy establishment of a certain "Harvard club." One commenter made it known that he had a little bar around the corner and everyone was welcome to continue the chaos there. This was 2164th's inaugural, grand-opening post:
There has been some consternation over at the Belmont Club. The host wretchard wishes to discourage running commentary. It is my intention to invite members of the BC to sit back relax and comment away. Gentleman, start your engines. As this is experimental and designed for chatting, there is no need to archive chats. When I feel the thread is stale, we will clean the bar.
It's been a blast ever since and it all began on or about September 7, 2006 with the proprietors first post, "Where the Hell is Doug?" . Apparently, 2164th, (dubbed Deuce by Desert Rat) had some sort of "technical glitch" and blew away the very first comments but the archives show the first commenter was none other than Doug, our favorite Hawaiian. That thread ran for 186 comments from the likes of Doug, Buddy Larsen, 2164th, Desert Rat, Habu 3, Rem870, whit, rufus, bobalharb, and a couple or real characters commenting as Sausage Sommelier and Asperger's Gentleman (remember them?)
and of course Rufus chimed in with what has become the classic, essential Rufus:
Hey 2164th - where'd the title (Elephant bar) of your blog come from? Is there a story there?
A long time ago in another life-time, in Kassel Germany was an art-deco bar frequented late at night by an international crowd. The mahogany bar had red up-lighting but was always in a blue haze of cigarette smoke. The woman, Nordic beauties and the music Marlene Dietrich style from the forties and fifties. The Elephant Bar, always fascinating, and only disappointing enough to keep it interesting.
Jamie Irons even joined us for a while but I suspect the EB was a little too rough for the good doctor from California or maybe like most of us, he took some heat from his better half for all the time he was "wasting with that nonsense."
Does anybody here remember ba mui ba (33) beer?
Man, three hot ba mui ba's would knock your dick off. Shit must have been fifty proof.
Ash chided in on the second post:
And was promptly treated to a little EB hospitality by rufus. BTW - Ash has been a faithful chider to this day. It was on this second thread that Teresita, cloaked in the habit of Woman Catholic debuted with the famous last words that the EB wasn't her "kind of place." Speaking of famous last words remember the "That's all Folks" post? My boss and your "dear host" announced his retirement and two days later he was back! He just couldn't stay away and neither could many of us!
whit said...
"I cannot tell a lie.
I lifted the entire piece on Cleland from the Patriot Post website"
You really should post it in such a way that one doesn't think you are engaging in wholesale plagerism.
In addition, might I suggest that the esteemed members here indicate which one of the towering intellects actually made the post. i.e. Omar or Mohammed puts their name at the bottom of each post to identify the author. You guys should do the same.
We also heard from an Aussie named Quig. Sam, do you know a fellow named Quig? Remember Bob Smith, a regular at the Belmont Club? Bob Smith revealed at the EB that he was actually a 52-year old woman.
Buddy Larsen, Allen, Habu, Rem870 are seldom if ever seen in the bar anymore but the original gang is still largely intact and here 2000 posts later, the party continues and looking back on the posts, we're still solving and resolving the same old problems of the world. From our humble beginnings, we have added a Board of Directors and gone global with international visitors, posts and comments coming from France, Poland, Germany, Singapore, Costa Rica and Colombia (Thanks, Harrison, Fellow Peacekeeper and Trish.) A special thanks goes to contributors and occasional barkeeps; Our man in uniform, Bob W. and the lastest part-timer and a man whose intellect may be wasted on the EB wasted, Victor Silo.
At the EB, we don't have enough time, money or staff to do a proper retrospective on the wild ride of the first 2,000 posts so let this brief acknowledgment suffice. We've had some good posts at the EB and some not so good posts, but what sets the EB apart from most blogs are our comment threads. We've got a crazy bunch of regulars and we like it that way and hope you do too. Also, a special thanks to the indefatigable host, 2164th aka Deuce. Without his tireless day-in and day-out efforts the EB would have closed its doors long ago. So today, all day long, drinks are on the house.
2,000 down and here's to the next 2,000. Thanks everyone!
whit (and on his behalf) Deuce.
Whit posted this on May 4, 2008. We are not all that far from post number 4000. That will be about 3975 posts than I planned.
ReplyDeleteYou guys have done a great job keeping the place running smoothly (well as smoothly as can be expected).
ReplyDeleteThat's was a great post Whit.
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As usually I was ignored...
ReplyDeleteDoes that actually show good or bad taste?
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ReplyDeleteBack then I was "Pork Rinds for Allah"
ReplyDeleteSomehow that handle is more timely now then then
Somewhere on the hard drive of this computer or it predecessor, I have saved the first thread to appear on the EB.
ReplyDeletehabu made the first comment with me following him by a few minutes.
I quit posting here for two years because of a difference of opinion on how to handle the blatant anti-Semitism of DR with reference to the Liberty, as I recall. I think buddy larsen also felt that things had gotten out of hand and did not wish to associate himself further. Things have not changed.
Tis a shame there aren't more Bars.
ReplyDeleteWe could all go Bar hopping.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7WLfY2455o
I feel so...so...used...so...so dirty...so creepy. All this time I argued that neither the Rangers nor the government murdered Pat Tillman...Forgive me, DR.
ReplyDeleteJane Fonda attends premiere of 'The Pat Tillman Story'
By the way, our troops in Afghanistan are still not getting smokes sent in the care packages of their families.
congrats to Deuce and Whit! I enjoy lurking!
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ReplyDeleteBy the way, our troops in Afghanistan are still not getting smokes sent in the care packages of their families.
I noticed that the other day too.
If it's up to this administration, they won't get there mail in ballots, either.
That Damn Dumb Poor Spoken Sarah Palin
ReplyDeleteYesterday had two high points for me, reading WiO and then this bit of wisdom from Melody--
I want you to enjoy life for what it is because if not the bad will just suck you up into nothing.
heading to CdA, trip I always enjoy, tata
Deuce and Whit,
ReplyDeleteCongrats!
Allen: I quit posting here for two years because of a difference of opinion on how to handle the blatant anti-Semitism of DR with reference to the Liberty, as I recall.
ReplyDeleteThis is what I get from the "pro-Semitism" side:
Liberty was a mutinous ship that wasn't supposed to be there in a war zone, but was listening to IDF battle comms and relaying them to Egypt through the UK (hilarious, considering that the US opposed and humiliated the UK and France in the previous Arab-Israeli war).
That the NSA has rogue elements that can operate independently of the will of the President and command Naval assets bypassing the Commander-in-Chief.
That the Liberty with her antennas and dishes looked like a run-of-the-mill Egyptian freighter.
That Israel had no obligation to identify the target despite another nuclear-capable superpower (the USSR) operating in the same area.
That planes that came close enough to score hits with 30mm, and torpedo boats all failed to identify the target.
That the same Administation that "investigated" Oswald's three votes for LBJ in Dallas concluded thirteen times that there was nothing to the Liberty incident, move along please.
T,
ReplyDeleteProjection... I said none of those things, Lady.
What I did say was get off your duff and look at the vast repository of documents ("evidence") that have been available since 2007. Instead, you lie and slander me. That new philosophy of yours must really pack a wallop - lie and fly.
You are incredible. No, dear girl, the "same" administration did not do the 13 investigations as you claim. Clearly, you have not bothered to spend so much as 5 minutes at the NSA & CSS sites. (But by golly you have something to say and no other attention today.) Otherwise, you would know better. No, T, you made up your mind, and now you are making up a story to fit it.
You know what, go back to whatever it is you are smoking or drinking. Try getting back Zena, who had functioning little gray cells.
...liar
"The Elephant Bar, always fascinating, and only disappointing enough to keep it interesting."
ReplyDeleteThat's actually a really marvelous line.
I gotta get me one of these. On the Autobahn - Vroom, Vroom
ReplyDeleteOh, did I mention, "$0.07/mile?"
140 MPH Buick?
ReplyDelete$0.07/mile?
E85?
Vroom, Vroom!
And, That, Dear Children, is why were Not well, and truly, screwed.
ReplyDeleteExponential Technology.
were not = we are not
ReplyDeleteI'm like Chris Matthews; my leg is tingling.
The Obama administration seems to be feeling sorry for itself. Robert Gibbs, the president’s press secretary, is perturbed that Mr. Obama is not getting more hosannas from liberals.
ReplyDeleteSpare me. The country is a mess. The economy is horrendous, and millions of American families are running out of ammunition in their fight against destitution
Damn. Obama is loding Bob Herbert!
the tingle is gone
ReplyDeleteSecret Assault on Terrorism Widens on Two Continents
ReplyDeleteThe Shadow War
Allen said...
"By the way, our troops in Afghanistan are still not getting smokes sent in the care packages of their families."
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Smoking is hazardous to your health, Maroon.
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Wanted Undead Or Alive: Vampire Hunters and Other Kick-Ass Enemies of Evil
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SEPARATE FACT FROM FICTION, THE DEADLY FROM THE MERELY CREEPY.
LEARN WHEN TO STAND YOUR GROUND AND WHEN TO RUN
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DETERMINE WHICH MONSTER-SPECIFIC HEROES TO CALL
AND THEIR LIKELIHOOD OF SUCCESS.
CONSIDER YOUR OWN POTENTIAL AS A CHAMPION FOR GOOD
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Manila, Hiroshima, and the Bomb
ReplyDeleteI was 17, a student in Manila, when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor on Dec. 8, 1941. That same day, the airfield in Manila and other military installations in the Philippines were also bombed.
Schools were immediately closed and I returned to my hometown, Rosales, about 30 miles from Lingayen, where, within the same month, the Japanese landed. Soon after they came to Rosales.
Not in Stuttgart. Mercedes Exports Exploding - Especially to China, and Korea
ReplyDeleteEveryone knows that ethanol gets 10% less mpg than gasoline...and it destroys elements in the gas line, is not carbon neutral and corn ethanol??? While people starve?
ReplyDeleteDon't get me started!!!
Projection... I said none of those things, Lady.
ReplyDeleteHence my attribution to the "pro-Semitism side" rather than one individual.
140 MPH in a 3,600 lb car, and $0.07/mile.
ReplyDeleteDon't get ME started. :)
Vroom, Vroom!
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The Daily Record of Ellensburg reports the Board of Adjustment denied an environmental appeal at a meeting Wednesday, before granting the Teanaway Solar Reserve a permit.
The company says the project could generate up to 75 megawatts of electricity, enough to power about 45,000 homes. The facility would be made up of 400,000 panels surrounded by an existing pine forest just northeast of Cle Elum.
TSR's Managing Director Howard Trott says the project will create jobs and generate clean energy.
But the group Citizen's Alliance for a Rural Teanaway says the project didn't have adequate environmental review.
t: This is what I get from the "pro-Semitism" side:
ReplyDeleteLiberty was a mutinous ship that wasn't supposed to be there in a war zone, but was listening to IDF battle comms and relaying them to Egypt through the UK (hilarious, considering that the US opposed and humiliated the UK and France in the previous Arab-Israeli war).
It's the pro-Israel side...
ANd 1956 wasnt 1967, you make no valid point, just "feelings", or as I like to believe, bullshit...
T: That the NSA has rogue elements that can operate independently of the will of the President and command Naval assets bypassing the Commander-in-Chief.
And that NEVER has happened? again, the president is not all powerful. you give us not actual facts to rebut... just more of your "feelings"
T: That the Liberty with her antennas and dishes looked like a run-of-the-mill Egyptian freighter.
No one ever said that, the USS Liberty as stated by the USA was a retrofitted freighter... The Liberty LOOKED like an Intel SHIP no matter who sailed her...
T: That Israel had no obligation to identify the target despite another nuclear-capable superpower (the USSR) operating in the same area.
Israel did correctly ID the target.... The Target was sending transmissions from a war zone and was, by the USA not one of theirs.
T: That planes that came close enough to score hits with 30mm, and torpedo boats all failed to identify the target.
Last I checked a plane shooting at a target is not the same thing as doing a "papers please" check... The target was a go, it was the ship that the MOLE inside the Egyptian High Command ID'd, it was where the Israelis were told it would be... It was not Americans as per the Americans....
Fair game sweetie...
Sounds like you like to make it up as you go...
go back to being a pagan witch, you have more street creds with that...
Dinner guests just canceled. Had a reservation for four at a wonderful 'Eyetalian' restaurant in an old railroad depot restaurant. The food is so good and they bring the beer out in frosted mugs. I'm tempted to go anyway but it's thirty miles away, I was there last weekend and we remade the reservations for next weekend.
ReplyDeleteOh well, decisions, decisions.
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ReplyDeleteSudden word from Moscow and Tehran on Aug. 11 that Russia will activate Iran's first nuclear power reactor on Aug. 21 by loading the fuel has caused a major flap in Israel in view of its military aspects.DEBKA reports: Only last week, Russian leaders assured Washington that it would not go on line this year.
ReplyDeleteLet me see, if I had that Buick, I could make the drive in 21 minutes.
ReplyDeleteYou know what, go back to whatever it is you are smoking or drinking. Try getting back Zena, who had functioning little gray cells.
ReplyDeleteI've seen enough, Deuce, there is nothing in the world that will motivate me to have anything to do with the topic of the USS Liberty again, and I see the wisdom of Trish's approach.
Too bad GM sold its controlling interest in GM China. (To the Chinese no less)
ReplyDeleteNow, Teresita, that is progress!
ReplyDeleteKittitas County officials have approved a massive solar farm near Cle Elum.
ReplyDeleteDayyum, Another tingle.
This is getting fun. :)
Please, don't anybody post anymore good alt-energy news tonight.
ReplyDeleteIt could get very embarrassing.
Let me see, if I had that Buick, I could make the drive in 21 minutes.
ReplyDeleteAnd, have enough money left over to drink an extra "Frosted" Mug.
Man, I looove my beer in a frosted mug.
field57 wrote...
ReplyDelete" This building was hit by the landing gear from one of the planes, and lies in the shadow of the former towers. The ground there is sacredto Americans, and like our Civil War battlefields, should be protected from ANY development that would "compete" with the nature of that hallowed ground.
That is why a museum was denied permits at Gettysburg, and a shopping center at Manassas that was also denied.
This isn't about religeon, it's about the respect we place on ground where Americans have died."
Good reasons to oppose mosque at Ground Zero
T, The point to the post was my attempt at a cathartism, an attempt to revive civility and tighten our fraternal bonds.
ReplyDeleteWiO:
ReplyDeletet: This is what I get from the "pro-Semitism" side:
It's the pro-Israel side...
Sneaky little hijack of language there. If you think Israel can do no wrong, you're pro-Israel. If you criticize Israel, you're anti-Semitic, which is defined as hatred for all Jews.
A Biblical Message for T:
ReplyDelete---
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
-1 Timothy 2: 11-13
REPENT, WOMAN!
to revive civility and tighten our fraternal bonds.
ReplyDeleteLOL
Doug, Taoteching 28:
ReplyDeleteKnow the male,
yet keep to the female:
receive the world in your arms.
If you receive the world,
the Tao will never leave you
and you will be like a little child.
Teresita said...
ReplyDeleteWiO:
t: This is what I get from the "pro-Semitism" side:
It's the pro-Israel side...
Sneaky little hijack of language there. If you think Israel can do no wrong, you're pro-Israel. If you criticize Israel, you're anti-Semitic, which is defined as hatred for all Jews.
Once again you distort
Critisim of Israel aint being "anti-semitic."
Applying one standard to Israel and no standard to anyone else is...
Your statements are not and should be not taken in the singular.
Your pattern of argument seeks to delegitimize Israel/Judaism. That is "anti-semitic.. To be against "Zionism" or Israel the way that you have in the recent months, leads me to believe you are no friend of everything I hold dear. You are a Zion-basher. You just dress it up in a Lesbian/Tao/ex-christian sort of way
On the surface you seem nice... Under the surface? I do see Jew hater/zionist hater/Israel hater.
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ReplyDeleteBTW, this Is "Victory over Japan Day," you know.
ReplyDelete65 years ago.
RIP Unk.
I came across the following web site.
ReplyDeletehttp://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/19707
The link is USS Liberty Isuues and Views
I believe the .ru means it is from Rutgers University although I didn't notice that on the actual document.
This link is different from most of what's been posted here in that it lays out both sides of the argument, gives both sides' views, and descibes the areas of dispute. Upon reading it anyone can delve further into those areas of the dispute that interest them with a simple Google search.
Anyone can then form their own opinion of what happened without partisan screeds from either side.
This likely will not change the minds of those of us who already have strong opinions of what happened that day; however, it should provide some background for those who haven't looked into the matter and formed an opinion yet.
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Rufus, just got back from Shields, a bar/restaurant in town.
ReplyDeleteHad a couple of tall cool ones in "frosted mugs" and my body loves me.
Nothing like a cold beer with some munchies.
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4,000 posts, that must be some kind of a mile post.
ReplyDeleteDid you guys read the source document at that link to the Gazette, Chronicles of the Whirled, circa 1907?
My oh my!
1907 and Jerusalem is referred to as the:
"Long time capital of Palestine"
1907.
Semites are referred to as Mohammedans.
1907
The real history of the whirled, as it was published, contemporaneously, back in the day.
No mention of Israel, in 1907, just Palestine.
In the north of Arabia.
"Know the male,
ReplyDeleteyet keep to the female:"
Sounds like your going gay on us Doug, or at least Metrosexual.
Let's not get too sensitive.
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Soory, my mistake.
ReplyDeleteI see the quote was from T not Doug which helps explain it.
Must be the beer.
(However, we are watching you Doug. Just saying.)
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Dayyum! I don't have a beer in the house (I always keep a mug in the freezer.)
ReplyDeleteHow did This happen?
DR: No mention of Israel, in 1907, just Palestine.
ReplyDeleteIn the north of Arabia.
But the channel Rocket Zionist insists there never was a Palestinian people, province, mandate, civilization, land, or anything. No, it was just a vacant lot.
4,000 posts, that must be some kind of a mile post.
ReplyDeleteNo, 5,280 posts in a mile post.
:)
It was pretty much "vacant land" until the Zionists returned and began developing farms and farm towns.
ReplyDelete4,000 posts is a mile post after taxes.
ReplyDeleteT: But the channel Rocket Zionist insists there never was a Palestinian people, province, mandate, civilization, land, or anything. No, it was just a vacant lot.
ReplyDeleteIn 1907? They were Jews...
An Egyptian Arab stole the NAME "palestinian people" in 1964.
Can we help it if the world is to stupid to actually learn actual meanings of words?
There is no P in arabic...
Thus the is no ARAB thing called Palestine.
In a bid to turn around Dem fortunes in November, Obama endorses the 9-11 mosque. Next is the Pearl Harbor Shinto Shrine.
ReplyDeletewhit said...
ReplyDeleteIt was pretty much "vacant land" until the Zionists returned and began developing farms and farm towns.
Except that the Majority population in Jerusalem was Jewish and there had been a decent sized population in Hebron before the Arab mass murders of 1929...
Hebron, located 30 km south of Jerusalem, is the second holiest site in Judaism, and one of the Jewish Four Holy Cities, and mentioned repeatedly in the Hebrew Bible. (Later, Hebron took on a place of significance for Muslims, though Hebron was almost never mentioned in Muslim literature before the tenth century.[5]) It is the location of the Cave of Machpelah, holding the Tomb of the Patriarchs of the Israelites, where Abraham, the first Patriarch of the Jews (father and grandfather to Patriarchs Isaac and Jacob, respectively), was buried, and where David was anointed King of Israel, reigning there until his capture of Jerusalem. In 1929, the Jewish Sephardic/Mizrachi community had been living in Hebron continuously for over 800 years under various imperial powers, and the Jewish Ashkenazi community had roots there that went back at least a century.[6]
In Hebron in the early 1920s, periods of Arab harassment, involving cursing on the street, intimidation, various beatings, rocks through windows, and disturbances at the Cave of the Patriarchs, would disturb what was, by some accounts, an otherwise amicable relationship between the Hebron Jewish and Arab communities[7], notwithstanding a strong tradition of hostility to Jews[8]. In one such period the Jewish community registered several complaints with the British police, saying that not enough was being done to protect them. The Jews attributed some of the trouble to the Arab nationalist Muslim-Christian Association's activities, which included the spread of anti-Jewish songs and other incitement to hatred and violence.[6]
They called themselves "arabs"
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't until the AMericans brought "nationalism" to the natives did they start to think as themselves with "national" aspirations...
Unlike the Jews, who had a KINGDOM & a National Identity there before...
Arabs never called themselves "Palestnians" back then, more likely any arabs living in the zone would call themselves by their Klan or if pushed would identify themselves as syrian or egyptian.. There was no such thing as "Jordanian" or (arab) Palestinian back then..
In Fact the The Palestine Post, the famous Newspaper? Was ZIONIST created and owned...
Doug, yes, smoking is bad for your health, as is working for "Stan the Man" or "Ole Pete".
ReplyDeleteT,
ReplyDeleteYou used a quote naming ME, Lady!
If you were trying to anger me, you succeeded. If you thought you would gain an accusation of anti-Semitism, you were and will be mistaken. My standards for that epithet are high.
WiO,
ReplyDeleteI have spent several hours cataloging and perusing just the first six topics within the NSA & CSS report of 2007. These total 1,219 pages. Do think any of these folks have read a single page?
In retrospect this little tiff has been a good thing. From it I have learned a great deal about the indicent, right from the horse's mouth. While I do not think anyone here will be moved by the facts, we will be...good on us...good for the good guys.
T,
ReplyDeleteTake a deep breathe. Honest, Hun, you can be critical of Israel and NOT be anti-Semitic. You just cannot make stuff up.
Whit,
ReplyDelete...about what I would expect...
Quirk,
ReplyDelete...just saw your weaseling on my generous offer to post for you from the NSA & CSS link...Hun, you really are a gutless wonder...
I will continue to defend Israel against DR or anyone else who viciously attacks her without cause. As for you, I have nothing else to say.
Israel 13, QuirkCo 0 (using QuirkCo generically)
WP: The earliest known mention is thought to be in Ancient Egyptian texts of the temple at Medinet Habu which record a people called the P-r-s-t (conventionally Peleset) among the Sea Peoples who invaded Egypt in Ramesses III's reign
ReplyDeleteNote the use of the letter "P".
Unlike the Jews, who had a KINGDOM & a National Identity there before...
ReplyDeleteWP:
Genesis 20 tells the story of Abraham and Abimelech. Abimelech is called the king of Gerar.
In verse 15 he tells Abraham,"My land is before you, live wherever you like."
In Genesis 21:22, Abimelech proposes a treaty with Abraham saying,"God is with you in everything you do. Now swear to me here before God that you will not deal falsely with me or my children or my descendants. Show to me and the country whre you are living as an alien the same kindness I have shown to you."
In verse 24 Abraham said, "I swear it."
The chapter concludes "And Abraham stayed in the land of the Philistines for a long time."
This one makes me feel so dirty having served. Those who have not are to be envied.
ReplyDeletePortraits of the Fallen
Allen,
ReplyDeleteI assumed the exerpts I provided from the letter from the NSA to Jay Cristol, a guy on your side of the argument would have been self-explanatory. I should have realized it would be necessary to spell it out to you in detail.
The NSA provided a lot of paper. What they didn't provide is anything that could be considered top secret. Papers were redacted or not provided at all it they contained anything NSA considered sensitive. In other words what you sitting on is worthless pile of shit.
As I stated in that post and in one on this stream the info is out there for anyone to look at and make their own decision. You have provided the NSA documents file. Anyone who wants to can look at it.
With regard to you most recent comment, I grow tired of your flatulant bloviating.
You are a pompous, self-righteous, hypocrite.
Day after day, you sit around scolding the bar in your cloying school-marm fashion.
We are the "good guys"? You unctuous dipshit.
You talk about how fair you are, but instead of telling T, "I disagree with you." "T you misinformed or wrong." or even "T you are nutz." No it is "T you are a liar."
You get all over Trish for saying Fuck and for having a drink once in awhile; yet, you've got one of the slimiest mouths in the place and as I recall you do oft brag of tipping a few.
You call me out for accepting Bob for what he is a flawed human being like the rest of us at the bar, and coincidentally one held on a short leash by the proprietors. You call him a racist, yet you're the biggest race-baiting bastard in the place.
You constanly call me out as anti-semitic, yet when I ask for examples you ignore the posts.
You look for any excuse to take any conversation to the lowest common denominator. And then you go crying to Whit or anyone else for support.
Gutless wonder?
I'll repost the post you are in high dudgeon about and leave up to the bar to decide who is the gutless wonder and who is the pompous hypocritical blowhard.
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"...then, by all means, share your ground breaking discoveries of fact."
ReplyDeleteI have presented my evidence Allen. The fact that you choose to ignore it, denigrate it, or skip past it without comment means little to me. You keep asking me to present the same stuff I presented months ago. (A campaign of attrition?) I provided eight or ten posts on this subject the last time we discussed this. If you are interested at all you go dig them out of the archives.
Half the latest evidence I have posted was supplied by you anyway in your own links (Haartz article).
The following reference is I believe from Rutgers University:
Summary of Views on the USS Liberty Incident
It's appears to be an unbiased summary of all the issues we have discussed regarding the Liberty. I believe you will agree it lays out fairly your side of the argument. It also includes reference to mine including the quality of the hearings you are so proud of. It lists all the issues involved. On any particular issue, if the reader has problems all he has to do is go to Google for more info. There is plenty of information out there. Each person should decide for themselves.
With regard to the release of the NSA documents you are also so proud of let me make two points.
1. I am happy to see that you have actually decided to start reading the links that you post.
Enjoy. Let's see you gave Ash five minutes as I recall. You are now a day into it and counting. Hopefully, this will keep you satisfied for a couple more weekends.
2. As in the case of the hearings, quantity does not equate to quality.
Jay Cristol wrote a book espousing you version of the Liberty incident. The following is an excerpt from the response he got from his FOIA request back in 2003:
"Some of the information has been deleted from the enclosures because it was found to be currently and properly classified in accordance with Executive Order 12958, as amended. This information meets the criteria for classification as set forth in Subparagraphs (c) and (g) of Section 1.4 and remains classified TOP SECRET and SECRET as provided in Section 1.2 of the Executive Order. The information is classified because its disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security. The information is exempt from automatic declassification in accordance with Section 3.3(b)(1) and (b)(3) of Executive Order 12958, as amended. Because the information is currently and properly classified, it is exempt from disclosure pursuant to the first exemption of the FOIA (5 U.S.C. Section 552(b)(1)).
"In addition, this Agency is authorized by various statutes to protect certain information concerning its activities. We have determined that such information exists in the enclosures. Accordingly, those portions are also exempt from disclosure pursuant to the third exemption of the FOIA which provides for the withholding of information specifically protected from disclosure by statute. The specific statutes applicable in this case are Title 18 U.S. Code 798; Title 50 U.S. Code 403-3(c)(6); and Section 6, Public Law 86-36 (50 U.S. Code 402 note)..."
As I said Allen, enjoy your reading.
(con't below)
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(cont'd from above)
ReplyDeleteAs I said yesterday, you're a bit of a dufus and a waste of my time.
People can go to the link I provided above and review not a one-sided book or report, but a summary of all the items in dispute. They are then free to investigate any aspect of what happened and go to Google to get more info. After that they can make up their own mind.
I would also observe that in reviewing any future posts they should keep in mind the integrity of the person whose posts they are responding to.
I make that point because you have insinuated (when you haven't had the guts to come out and say it) that I am anti-Semitic, bigoted, a David Dukoid. I asked you to document instances where I have displayed such behavior if for no other reasons than to help my self-awareness and to identify the boundaries of your definition of anti-Semitism. If the latter was unclear, let me provide an example. I don't like gefilte fish. Does that qualify as anti-Semitic?
When you get back to me on this maybe we will have some basis for discussion.
Until then, I will merely re-post this post.
To do otherwise would be a further waste of my time.
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Sat Aug 14, 05:43:00 PM EDT
Teresita said...
ReplyDeleteWP: The earliest known mention is thought to be in Ancient Egyptian texts of the temple at Medinet Habu which record a people called the P-r-s-t (conventionally Peleset) among the Sea Peoples who invaded Egypt in Ramesses III's reign
Note the use of the letter "P".
You are ONE dumb lesbian...
Ancient Egyptians are NOT ARABS,,,
lol
what a dumb fuck you are....
LOL
ReplyDeleteYou meant fatuous bloviating, surely.
I meant what I said, missy.
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"Instead of “the hammer,” in the words of John O. Brennan, President Obama’s top counterterrorism adviser, America will rely on the “scalpel.” In a speech in May, Mr. Brennan, an architect of the White House strategy, used this analogy while pledging a “multigenerational” campaign against Al Qaeda and its extremist affiliates.
ReplyDelete"Yet such wars come with many risks: the potential for botched operations that fuel anti-American rage; a blurring of the lines between soldiers and spies that could put troops at risk of being denied Geneva Convention protections; a weakening of the Congressional oversight system put in place to prevent abuses by America’s secret operatives; and a reliance on authoritarian foreign leaders and surrogates with sometimes murky loyalties...
The Scalpel vs The Hammer
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With Remarks on Mosque, Obama Enters Risky Debate
ReplyDelete"PANAMA CITY, Fla. — Faced with withering Republican criticism of his defense of the right of Muslims to build a community center and mosque near ground zero, President Obama quickly recalibrated his remarks on Saturday, a sign that he has waded into even more treacherous political waters than the White House had at first realized.
Oops. What I meant to Say
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"...a blurring of the lines between soldiers and spies..."
ReplyDeleteYeah, well, soldiers have been spies since long, long before anyone invented Langley.
And Langley has long had its paras.
Interestingly enough, a lot of this is outgrowth from the initial 01/02 Afghan campaign.
As someone said of the new (Obama) team's briefings shortly before the inauguration:
"They're gonna go, 'Oh, my God. We can really do that?'"
Flatulently Bloviating, sayeth the dick.
ReplyDeleteAnd, don't be calling my "Toots" a Missy, either, dick.
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Sweet ride.
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"Now Israel faces a third threat, the campaign to delegitimize it in order to extinguish its capacity for self-defense. After two uniquely perilous millennia for Jews, the creation of Israel meant, Netanyahu says, "the capacity for self-defense restored to the Jewish people." But note, he says, the reflexive worldwide chorus of condemnation when Israel responded with force to rocket barrages from Gaza and from southern Lebanon. There is, he believes, a crystallizing consensus that "Israel is not allowed to exercise self-defense..."
ReplyDelete"Hillary Clinton's words about extending a "defense umbrella over the region" imply, to Israelis, fatalism about a nuclear Iran. As for deterrence working against a nuclear-armed regime steeped in an ideology of martyrdom, remember that in 1980, Ayatollah Khomeini said:
"We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world..."
Israel and Iran
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Every man should own One hot rod Ford before he dies.
ReplyDeleteYou are ONE dumb lesbian...
ReplyDeleteAncient Egyptians are NOT ARABS,,,
lol
what a dumb fuck you are....
I won't reward that with a future reply to anything you post.
Whether one goes with flatulent or fatuous, it really should be bloviation, I think.
ReplyDeleteI'm going with the active verb -
ReplyDeleteBloviating.
It just kinda sings.
Teresita said...
ReplyDeleteI won't reward that with a future reply to anything you post.
No loss...
SInce anything post about Israel, Jews or Zionism is about how to either mock, ridicule or delegitimize the same.
You have ZERO credibility when it comes to Israel.
Just stupid, black hearted nonsense..
and you are stupid...
there is no P in arabic...
there is no arab state ever called Palestine.
never has been a people called "palestinian" that was an arab before 1966.
so dont respond to me and maybe stop with your stupid attempts to slander Israel and or the Jewish People.
What? An adjective can't describe a verb? Pshaw, you say? We don care.
ReplyDeleteNo, no, no. End of the sentence, bloviation has a nicer plunk to it.
ReplyDeleteThe Greek toponym Palestini (Παλαιστίνη), with which the Arabic Filastin (فلسطين) is cognate, first occurs in the work of the Greek historian Herodotus, active in the middle of the 5th century BCE, where it denotes generally[20] the coastal land from Phoenicia down to Egypt.[21][22] Herodotus also employs the term as an ethnonym, as when he speaks of the 'Syrians of Palestine' or 'Palestinian-Syrians',[23] an ethnically amorphous group he distinguishes from the Phoenicians referring to the Aramaeic Samaritans led by Sanbalat and appointed by the Persian kings and the Arabs in Jerusalem referred to also by Ezra (the Bible).[24] The word bears comparison to a congeries of ethnonyms in Semitic languages, Ancient Egyptian Plst or flst, Assyrian as Palastu, and the Hebraic as Plishtim, the latter term used in the Bible to signify the Philistines.[25]
ReplyDeleteSyria Palestina continued to be used by historians and geographers and others to refer to the area between the Mediterranean sea and the Jordan river, as in the writings of Philo, Josephus and Pliny the Elder. After the Romans adopted the term as the official administrative name for the region in the 2nd century CE, "Palestine" as a stand alone term came into widespread use, printed on coins, in inscriptions and even in rabbinic texts.[26] The Arabic word Filastin has been used to refer to the region since the time of the earliest medieval Arab geographers. It appears to have been used as an Arabic adjectival noun in the region since as early as the 7th century CE.[
Ah, so now I am being critiqued by Frick and Frack.
ReplyDeleteI should have expected it.
I could just spit.
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Have a Corona and pull up a stool, T.
ReplyDeleteWe're letting Quirk know what a shit writer he is.
Miss Perfect.
ReplyDeleteYou did notice that post I put up the other day pointing out that you left a "c" out of a word, right?
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A quick and easy primer on Palestine, and her many inhabitants
ReplyDeleteSpelling, grammar, syntax. That's all you care about Trish.
ReplyDeleteYou ignore the flow and the music.
You are no poet Trish.
Were the hell is Bob anyway?
I demand an expert opinion.
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That's why you gotta be more like me, Q. I write so bad the crickiteers don't know where to start.
ReplyDeleteI did.
ReplyDeleteAnd I have also recently become nervously aware of every fucking error.
There are soooo many.
Oops, I think I spelled that wrong. That should have been criteekers.
ReplyDeleteNot to be confused with The Seekers of course.
ReplyDeleteYou look like a flaming crickiteer you wily hick.
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Man, I don't know Where that came from.
ReplyDeleteWell, we gotta do one for the Mustang Man For Q
ReplyDeleteThen, there wuz saturday night with the Rufi Clan out for a drive
ReplyDeleteThis is not to be opened until morning when you are looking for something to wake you up besides coffee.
ReplyDeleteHey, I Said Wait Until Morning
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In case Deuce drops by - I couln't find anything about Aston Martins, but This came to mind.
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Well, let's face it he is an international man of mystery.
ReplyDeleteAnd as Trish will attest, a gentleman.
He told me so.
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I see by the old clock on the wall it's time for bed.
ReplyDeleteHave a good one Ruf.
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Gawdalmighty Damn that was great Q.
ReplyDeleteNight.
ReplyDeleteFor some reason, Whit reminded me of George Clooney
ReplyDeleteI don't doubt where you came up with the name Elephant Bar but it's ironic that the elephant is an associated symbol of the republican party.
ReplyDeleteTrish seems to spend a lot of time Anticipatin
ReplyDeleteShots of vodka all night and yuengling since 12:00. The only problem I had was the hot tub shut down and after I got it to work there must have been a short some where because when I put my hand in the water to see if the temperature was rising the fucking thing electrocuted me.
ReplyDeleteI don't know why this gal came to mind when I thought of T, tonight? Judy, Judy, Judy
ReplyDeleteTina Melody
ReplyDeleteNight all
Oh and I also lost my nose ring which might be in the ice cream cake Chele smashed in my face tonight. It's just an inconvenience to go out tomorrow and buy a new one.
ReplyDeleteNose ring? Ice cream cake, Chele?
ReplyDeleteIs this some sort of test?