Here's an interesting email making the rounds
Forwarded from Gunsite
Subject: Mexican Assassins
As you know, one of the local ranchers was murdered in Douglas (Arizona) two weeks ago. I received three messages similar to the one below from different officers within the Rangers and law enforcement.
Yesterday afternoon I talked to another rancher near us who is a friend of ours and whose great grandfather started their ranch here in 1880. These are good people. He told me what really happened out at the Krentz ranch and what you won’t read in the papers. The Border Patrol is afraid of starting a small war between civilians here and the drug cartels in Mexico .
Bob Krentz was checking his water like he does every evening and came upon an illegal who was lying on the ground telling him he was sick. Bob called the Border Patrol and asked for a medical helicopter evac. As he turned to go back to his ATV he was shot in the side. The round came from down and angled up so they know the shooter was on the ground. Bob’s firearm was in the ATV so he had no chance. Wounded he called the Cochise County Sherriff and asked for help. Bleeding in the lungs he called his brother but the line was bad so he called his wife but again the line was bad.
Several ranchers heard the radio call and drove to his location. Bob was dead by this time. The ranchers tracked the shooter 8 miles back towards Mexico and cornered him in a brushy draw. This was all at night. The Sherriff and Border Patrol arrived and told them not to go down and engage the murderer. They went around to the back side and if you can believe it the assassin managed to get by a BP helicopter and a Sherriff’s posse and back to Mexico . So much for professional help when you need it.
One week before the murder Bob and his brother Phil (who I shoot with) hauled a huge quantity of drugs off the ranch that they found in trucks. One week before that a rancher near Naco did the same thing. Two nights later gangs broke into his ranch house and beat him and his wife and told them that if they touched any drugs they found they would come back and kill them. The ranchers here deal with cut fences and haul drug deliveries off their ranches all the time. What ranchers think is that the drug cartels beat the one rancher and shot Bob because they wanted to send a message. Bob always gave food and water to illegals and so they think they sent the assassin to pose as an illegal who was hungry and thirsty knowing it would catch Bob off guard.
What is going on down here is NOT being reported. You need to tell people how bad it is along the border. Texas is worse. Near El Paso it’s in a state of war. 5000 people were killed in Ciudad Juarez last year and it’s over 2000 so far this year. Gun sales down here are through the roof and I get emails from people wanting firearms training.
Something has to be done but I don’t hold out much hope. These gangs have groups in almost every city in the US . Please read below. This is serious business. The Barrio Azteca and their sub gangs are like Mexican Corporations and organized extremely well. If this doesn’t get dealt with down here you guys will deal with it on your streets.
Bud
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Ao, NOW what do you think about Arizona's stance on illegals??????
Whit, flip this to the head of the line after lunch.
ReplyDeleteThe fellas at Gunsite, truly stand up folks.
ReplyDelete100% credibility.
Gunsite
ReplyDeletePaulden, Arizona.
While the AZ immigration check legislation is truly nonsensical, as a viable solution to the challenges presented by Federal failures.
ReplyDeleteArizona has a GDP of about $240 Billion. It would cost them, I'm guessing, about 1% of one year's GDP to build their own fence.
ReplyDeleteBob was dead by this time
ReplyDeleteServes him right, even dumber than me.
Point is, our society is breaking down.
ReplyDeleteSociety isn't breaking down. Law enforcement, and governance is breaking down.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile my pet project in Afghanistan isn't going well. For a variety of reasons.
ReplyDeleteBetter to get it over with and say so now, before the decibel level shoots up and the circular firing squad clicks off the safeties.
Makes me terribly sad to do it, though.
Obama wants to achieve a "teachable moment" with afpak
ReplyDeleteChange the ROE
Teach America to learn to be humble that we cannot win thru armed fighting, we cannot impose our will on the world...
Accept the un-exceptional "post-America" role that America needs to be...
that's Obama's tune...
the New Vietnam
Never again will America be arrogant
Time to put America in it's own place...
America the cuckhold...
That's Obama's way...
Wife and I have now officially voted. absentee, for Vaugnh Ward, for Congress. And no, she is not going to vote in Ohio, this election cycle. She is an honest woman.
ReplyDeleteSociety isn't breaking down. Law enforcement, and governance is breaking down. I'm tempted to ask, what's the difference?, but I am avoiding arguments.
ReplyDeleteIt's the time of year, of the big boomers over the mountains here, this always cheers me up, and puts my mind to thinking, of something other than politics. These babies go up to 35,000 feet or more, big boomers, always cheer me up. Nature at the well head. I hear the tom toms abeating.
ReplyDeleteBlogger trish said...
ReplyDelete"Meanwhile my pet project in Afghanistan isn't going well."
oh well, who woulda thunk it?
Obama wants to achieve a "teachable moment"
ReplyDelete- wio
On the contrary, this WH is going to be on the receiving end of the "teachable moment." A bare handful of years after the last one confronted its own. With probable differences.
I think about the last WH and the actual demoralization it went through when OIF was looking like a goner. The most important thing OIF had going for it even then, was a True Believer sitting in the Oval Office. The high-stakes, late-in-the-game salvage - such as it was - never would have happened otherwise.
Had we a True Believer now, plans could be made. Corrections could be forced. But that requires being hands-on. Which, in turn, requires some inner conviction regarding what you're doing.
Which is not to lay this at the doorstep of a single individual. There's going to be plenty to go around. It's already started. But that single individual has to step up. Even if he has to fake it.
Grim fact of the matter is, there's a whole lotta killing to do.
Oh, shut up, Ash.
ReplyDeleteYou simply do not appreciate how difficult even such seemingly minor admissions are when you've emotionally invested in the, um, Redheaded Stepchild of Wars.
Another grim fact of the matter is that we don't have anywhere near enough willing civilians to do much else.
ReplyDeleteIn support of Trish, I count five close relatives, including the world's most beautiful sister, as redheads. And my mom, IQ 147 and could play a mean piano, and ran the court. One was a true card carrying member of the Communist Party, USA, in his youth, though he finally grew up. Don't blame that on the hair.
ReplyDeleteWhen Harry Reid declared the war lost, Iraq looked a whole lot grimmer than Afghanistan does now. You're right, GWB never wavered and history turned. Will that happen in Afghanistan? Who knows? As long as we're there with enough force to capitalize on an unforeseen turn of events, something could happen to lift the cloud.
ReplyDeleteIt's why I'm so sick of politics, and courts, I've heard that shit all my life.
ReplyDeleteWait one minute, rufus!
ReplyDeleteHow can that be, that the 6 million AZ residents possibly out produce the 6 million Israeli?
I mean, really, with Israel have a GDP of $206.8 billion, according to the CIA, they do not keep pace with AZ, at $250 billion!
While I'm told that Israel is the home of innovation and discovery, yet they produce less than wayward AZ!
So, let's dig a little further, in the CIA fact book.
Roughly half of the government's external debt is owed to the US, its major source of economic and military aid.
Government external debt is listed at ...
$84.69 billion
So the US has lent Israel ...
$42 Billion USD at below market rates!
So much for US not aiding Isreal, with generous cash infusions.
Of the $42 Billion, lent to Israel, the US borrowed 42% of it, or $17.64 Billion USD at interest to further subsidize Israeli debt.
So much for the argument that US does not subsidize Israel.
We have subsidized them to the tune of $42 Billion USD.
Plus grants and direct military aid.
Or do we not believe the CIA public pronouncements?
History did not "turn", whit, we changed the goal posts.
ReplyDeleteThe "Turn" started back in 2006. I remind you of:
Wednesday, December 27, 2006
The Soldiers who "Get It" in Iraq
We decided that changing Iraqi culture and society was not a viable option. We changed the goal posts, seeking a lack of violence, rather than any type of victory or societal change in Iraq.
We have empowered the Iranians, in Iraq, regardless.
Your basic premise of comparison is inaccurate, as to what was accomplished in Iraq. You're spinning the current comparative calm into success.
What we have, today, would have been considered abject failure, if forecast in September of 2003.
To even suggest such an outcome, then, to be described as a burka wearer.
Look at it this way, Rat. If Israel can afford to build a fence, so can Arizona.
ReplyDeleteheh, it was funny, this commie cousin and his wife, both from Berkeley, California at the time, came up to my cabin on Lake Coeur d Alene, in the midst of the sexual revolution in the sixties. There was about five of us boys around, and she tried to lay us all. And, we all declined, in solidarity with our cousin. I remember how she stroked my hair so, and said, do you want to go for a row, in the rowboat. I said no. A year or so later, they were divorced. Promiscuity is no solution. Discretion is the wisdom of the ages. My poor red headed cousin, the commie, was flattened for awhile, but finally got a better girl, with whom he is still living. Even commies need a sane domestic life, sharing the wife with everyone just doesn't work.
ReplyDelete"In support of Trish..."
ReplyDeleteYeah, like trish ever needed any support as a redhead beyond the age of eighteen. That's about when redheads discover - to our amazement, believe me - our strange and enduring value.
My mother was initially attracted to my father because he's a redhead. That whole Howdy Doody thing.
ReplyDeleteAnd no, I am not making that up.
Here is the argument I have put together--Descartes--I think, therefore I am--Berkeley--all we perceive is our perceptions--Hume--ah, no, I don't find any perceiver, there is just perceptions, there is no "I" there--Kant, you are both wrong, our perceptions are a result of our senses, and something is causing it, though we will never know the things in themselves--and there is a 'we' - it is the transcendental unity of apperception--which resides in the nomena--Schopenhauer--Kant is the best mind nature has put together--though it is the noumenon, not noumena--as human perception causes time and space, and the other categories of perception--and since we cause time and space, in the noumenon there is no differentiation--therefore morality--because we are all one at the base of our being. If you hurt another, you hurt yourself too, cause we are all one. All one. Further, now, a book like BioCentrism, which takes off on that old theme. There is a change in outlook going on, not even the blogs have caught on. It might be, that experience goes on, until all that can be experienced has been experienced, then it's over. Just a thought.
ReplyDeleteMy sister used to cry, I HATE MY HAIR, I HATE MY HAIR! Jesus Christ, I never understood it, if she would only have listened to me, a man with a good eye. Then, of course, she got a man fell totally for her, and everything was fine, since then. She wears a mean pair of sunglasses too, and would make you drool, if you were a man, or a Teresita.
ReplyDeleteI think, rufus, that then we'd really see the caca hit the rotating blades.
ReplyDeleteIf it was even seriously suggested.
Our local leaders, they can't even keep the highway rest areas open.
And, you are assuming, that the leaders here, that they REALLY want to stem the flow of migrants.
There is little evidence of that.
Most of this immigration hoopla, part of the McCain battle to retain the Senate seat, seems that JD is givin' the old POW a run for his money, which he is spending by the truckload on local media buys.
All pumping his "new" immigration plan, which is 180 degrees from his last Comprehensive Immigration Plan.
Now most of the County the Sheriffs, save Joe, are on the McCain immigration bandwagon, too.
Doubt that our legislature would fund the 3,000 soldiers and 3,000 new border patrolmen that are proposed, to go along with finishing the fence, in the McCain/Kyl Plan.
Those 6,000 new bodies, the backbone of the proposed program, more so than the physical fence.
We're the exceeding minority. Suffer early; famed and defamed much; and will never lord it over the earth.
ReplyDeleteThere's something you have love about that.
She lords it over her husband, I can tell you that. And she is beautiful, you wouldn't believe. Christ, she is nice lookin'!
ReplyDeleteThe differences in geography, rufus, 'tween Club Med and the Sonoran frontier, extreme.
ReplyDeleteIsrael, the size of Maricopa County, the area required to be fenced, on the Mborder, not even comparable to the Israeli situation, in that regard.
As a result of the modifications, the length of the barrier is expected to be approximately 500 miles. (in Israel)
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The cost of the project has ballooned from an expected $1 billion to more than $2.1 billion. Each kilometer of fence costs approximately $2 million.
The Israeli, building 500 miles of fence, the Mexico?AZ border, about the same.
To bad AZ does not get the Federal subsidies, that Israel does. That $42 billion in direct loans, buys a lot of concrete in the levant and outlandish influence, in Washington DC.
"She lords it over her husband..."
ReplyDeleteThat's kind of icky. And I've seen it.
Marriages are a give and take, bob. No Lords needed or wanted.
The mother of my first love, in high school, was redheaded too, and she was a real woman. Intelligent, just shining, her husband played cello and taught music at the U of I. Intelligent, beautiful, but she got a disease that ruined her left leg, and, she began to drink in the small duplex they could rent. A lovely woman, she couldn't stand to be couped up, and her husband enabled her, all the way through. She finally drank herself to death. This is a true story, I've wanted to tell, once, when I was with my old girlfriend, she told me, I turned around in my house in Vegas, and there was mom, glorious, transformed, and said, just live your life, everything is alright, you will be alright. I don't know what to make of this, but I know my girlfriend wasn't making it up. She wasn't, to put it lightly, a spiritual girl, no nun, she. She was telling the truth. It has, please forgive me, all the elements of the visions of Christ. The transformation, the encouraging words, the whole deal. That is why I think we shouldn't take the vision of Christ too far. These things happen, and are true, so far as I can see, it's a grace, and you know, just know, when someone is telling you the truth.
ReplyDeleteWell, not lord, Trish, but she sure put him in his place, when he went wandering with a Chinese girl. Wham! That was the end of that. Divorce court, or you behave. Since, he's been on a pretty tight tether. And, they have raised their two children to be good citizens.
ReplyDeleteThe cost of the fence, in the Levant, $2.1 billion USD, the total annual AZ budget for 2011, $8.3 billion USD.
ReplyDeleteWe will not find $2.1 billion, for a fence.
That'd take some leadership and common sacrifice, we lack for either.
The Israeli getting, in direct loans from Uncle Sugar, five times the annual AZ state budget.
ReplyDeleteGotta love that "Lack of Aid" that wio goes on and on about.
The Israeli using only 5% of US Federal funds to build their fence, the largest infrastructure project in their country.
ReplyDeleteMoney being fungible.
It was predictable that the American public would lose enthusiasm for a long war in Afghanistan.
ReplyDeleteThe politicians and military leadership should have known it as well. Americans will tolerate short brutal wars if the stakes are well set and we win.
They were not. George Herbert Bush undesrtood that. His son did not. We missed our opportunity to win at Tora Bora. Perhaps if we get hit again and trace it to Waziristan we can try again.
Saving Afghanistan? Making democracy work for true believing Islamics? Never.Obama? Never.
rat, we were having a pretty good discussion here. Can't you ever, ever get the Jews out of your mind? I'm goin' to bed. Thanks Trish, for putting up with me.
ReplyDeleteSleep well.
ReplyDeleteNothing to do, with Jews, boob.
ReplyDeleteEverything to do with expatriated Eurotrash getting subsidized by me and mine, and the dishonor those subsidies exemplify for my country.
That the Federals will not build the fence, on our frontier with Mexico, but funded the Israeli fence, an interesting back story.
ReplyDeleteScientists Find Giant Plumes of Oil Forming Under the Gulf
ReplyDelete"Scientists are finding enormous oil plumes in the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico, including one as large as 10 miles long, 3 miles wide and 300 feet thick in spots. The discovery is fresh evidence that the leak from the broken undersea well could be substantially worse than estimates that the government and BP have given...
"The plumes are depleting the oxygen dissolved in the gulf, worrying scientists, who fear that the oxygen level could eventually fall so low as to kill off much of the sea life near the plumes...
"BP has resisted entreaties from scientists that they be allowed to use sophisticated instruments at the ocean floor that would give a far more accurate picture of how much oil is really gushing from the well.
“The answer is no to that,” a BP spokesman, Tom Mueller, said on Saturday. “We’re not going to take any extra efforts now to calculate flow there at this point. It’s not relevant to the response effort, and it might even detract from the response effort...”
It Get's Worse
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After 911, the US public was in all probability 80-90% in support of the US retaliation for the attacks. Military and political leaders had to know that there would be a half life for such support.
ReplyDeleteA good guess or a more analytical test could reasonably predict how long that half life of public support would last.
An ideal military response should have been able to fit into that frame of time. Any action that far surpassed that time line was bound to lose public support unless the military accomplishments were dramatic and demonstrable.
That has happened and will likely happen again and again until we run out of the money and the will to support the unsupportable.
France has denied it made a secret pact with Iran to secure the release of a French lecturer charged with spying after last June's disputed election.
ReplyDeleteClotilde Reiss is being flown to Paris, where she is expected to arrive shortly.
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Last week, France freed an Iranian engineer whom it detained for allegedly exporting electronic parts illegally to sell to Iran's military.
The US had wanted to extradite Majid Kakavand, but a French court rejected the request last week and he was allowed return home.
Echos of Libya and Lockerbie?
But, of course, there was no quid pro quo involved in any of those "exchanges". With Iran, an exchange of citizens, in Libya of terrorists and credibility for oil to the Eurozone.
And, of course, a renunciation of Libya's nuclear program, by Colonel Q
ReplyDeleteGermans turn against the EU as eurozone meltdown heaps misery on Angela Merkel
ReplyDeletetelegraph.co.uk
ReplyDeletePresident Sarkozy and Chancellor Merkel during a Euro Zone leaders summit Photo: REUTERS
Unlike the lily-livered British red-tops, the main German tabloid, Bild Zeitung, puts nipples on the front page. Day after day for the past week, it has been metaphorically stripping naked the same victim, then pouring cold baked beans over her head. Once-divorced mother-of-none Angela Merkel, 55, from Berlin, a chancellor of Germany, has had probably the worst seven days of her life.
To imagine the full scale of Mrs Merkel's disaster, think of it as a bit like that moment in 2008 when Britain suddenly had to find £46 billion of public money to bail out the banks, overnight storing up years of spending cuts, tax rises and general misery for everyone else. Then multiply the amount of money potentially required, and the amount of pain which could be inflicted, by three.
(Reuters) - It was the first time leaders from Islamist Hamas and the more secular Fatah movement of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas had shared the platform at a large public gathering since Hamas seized the Gaza Strip from Fatah in a 2007 civil war.
ReplyDeletePalestinians mark "nakba day" on May 15, the day in 1948 when Israel declared statehood after which some 700,000 Arabs fled or were expelled in the war that ensued.
The rally, which was organized by the much smaller Islamic Jihad group to commemorate the nakba's 62nd anniversary, coincided with reports of serious talks between Hamas and Fatah to find ways to resolve their differences.
Rat, I don't know "building fences" from "gilding wences," but I would dearly love to get a contract for $240 Million to build a fence across the S. border of Arizona.
ReplyDeleteI was being a little facetious, of course. As you know, I don't believe ANY politicians, about hardly anything. When I see 1,000 Arizona Deputy Sheriffs on the border I'll believe the politicians in charge REALLY want to do something (besides get votes.)