Tuesday, September 01, 2009

Putin has the nerve to show up in Poland for 70th Anniversary of WWII catastrophe




There are few nations that deserve more contempt than Germany or Russia for their joint responsibility for World War II. German and Soviet crimes resulted in 70 million dead. Japan would never have attempted to unilaterally take on the United States without the backdrop of the European disaster caused by the killers Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin. That is the truth the World should never forget.

Germany was encouraged and abetted by Stalin and the Soviets. Any attempt by Russia and Putin to explain away their responsibility is a hideous travesty. The Katyn forest massacre demonstrates the big Soviet lie and exposes those that chose not to see the truth.

BBC



Poland remembers its catastrophe

By Jonny Dymond
BBC News, Gdansk


Searchlights lit up the sky as the hour of the anniversary approached - three streams of light pricking the early morning darkness.

Around the monument to the heroes of the Battle of Westerplatte, military units shuffled into formation.
A long line of dignitaries - military, governmental and religious - faced the obelisk, itself a throwback to Soviet-era sculpture.

Westerplatte is one of Poland's great moments of resistance: bombarded by the German warship Schleswig-Holstein, vastly outnumbered by German troops, and dive-bombed by Stuka planes, 180 lightly armed Polish troops guarding a military depot held out for seven days before surrendering.

At the appointed hour - 0445 (0245 GMT), marking the passage of 70 years to the minute - trumpets rang out across the Westerplatte.

Catastrophe


There was, of course, talk of heroism in the speeches of the mayor of Gdansk, the President Lech Kaczynski and the Prime Minister Donald Tusk.

But for Poland, perhaps more than any other nation on earth, World War II was nothing but a catastrophe. By the war's end, five to six million Poles had been killed, many of them Jews - a greater proportion of Poland's population than that of any other country.

Both Nazi and Soviet occupiers sought to wipe Poland and its civilisation from the map.

The country's intellectual, religious, commercial and military elite were slaughtered. Properties were confiscated, museums looted, universities and schools closed. The capital Warsaw was destroyed on the orders of Hitler.

And the country became a base for the mechanised slaughter of the Holocaust. Auschwitz, Sobibor and Majdanek were some of the camps placed here by the Nazi occupiers.

"We remember," said Mr Tusk, "because we know well that he who forgets or he who falsifies history, and has power, or will assume power, will bring unhappiness again, like 70 years ago."

'Knife in the back'


Mr Kaczynski, the country's more nationalist president, threw a little more fat on the fire of an argument raging between Poland and Russia over responsibility for the war.

Poles have long seen the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Treaty, signed a week before war started, as the starting gun for the German invasion.

Just two weeks later, in mid September 1939, the Soviet armies occupied eastern Poland, and the country was effectively no more.

"On 17 September," said President Kaczynski, "when we were we still defending Warsaw… that day Poland received a knife in the back."

The Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin will speak later in the day.

But as the dawn broke over the Westerplatte, and the trumpets sounded again to mark the end of the ceremony, it was the soldiers of Poland - who fought and fell for their country - who were, once more, remembered.



The apologists for Russia and Russia's attempt to rewrite history.

152 comments:

  1. "Big Nose" Polish demographic

    "According to the Judaica, there were 3,351,000 Jews in Poland in September 1939.[6] From these, 55,509 are said to have been registered as survivors in June 1945. This number is said to comprise Jews having survived in Poland and Jews who returned from their wartime sojourn in the USSR. Another 13,000 Polish Jews are said to have survived as members of the Polish Army, and 1,000 would have survived posing as "Aryans" (and for some reason not counted among the 55,509). To these, the Encyclopedia Judaica generously adds 250,000 survivors in the USSR and 50,000 in camps in Germany, thus bringing the total up to 369,000 or 11% of those presumably present in 1939."

    That would mean that about 2,700,000 "Big Noses" were reduced to household detergent and lampshades. But, heck, every family has known such sorrow...no big deal.

    Why ruin such a wonderful day, when we could be thinking about belly button rings and pimples?

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  2. The Germans would not have been in Poland without Russian complicity.

    2,700,000 human beings, killed for the crime of being Jews, made up 3.8% of the 70,000,000 human beings killed as a result of the joint actions of the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

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  3. Putin Calls Nazi-Soviet Pact Immoral

    By ANDREW E. KRAMER
    Published: September 1, 2009

    "MOSCOW — Russia’s prime minister, Vladimir V. Putin, has published a lengthy article characterizing the Nazi-Soviet pact to divide Poland at the outset of World War II in 1939 as immoral, but he stressed that it was just one of a series of such deals that countries struck with the Nazis at that time.

    Mr. Putin called the nonaggression pact, which included secret amendments defining spheres of influence in Eastern Europe, “analogous” to the agreement by Britain and France a year earlier at Munich to accede to the German invasion of Czechoslovakia."

    _________________________

    The virtuous use of the comma. The moral equivalency of the recognition of a fait accompli to plotting savagery and murder. Spoken like a true KGB man.

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  4. We are talking about murder and murderers, on a scale incomprehensible to normal people, conducted by the people driven to lead.

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  5. Justice Dept. to Recharge Enforcement of Civil Rights

    The Obama administration is planning a revival of high-impact civil rights enforcement against policies that disproportionally affect minorities.
    Times Topics: Eric H. Holder Jr.
    ---
    Doesn't mention championing the Civil Rights of the Big Nose Demo.

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  6. Well, you just had to start it right up, anew, didn't you big boy?

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  7. rufus said...
    Yeah, Bubba. I don't like Obama's Socialist/Communist/Anti-American policies I'm a "Racist."

    I don't like my money going for Crazies to build settlements on the West Bank, or for those that propose that to take my money with a gun, and then not even respect my country enough to Capitalize it in a sentence,

    so I'm a "Jew-Hater."

    Horseshit.

    Tue Sep 01, 08:40:00 AM EDT



    Looks like you never let it go....

    btw... YOUR money doesnt pay for shit on the west bank....

    nor do i propose to take your money with a gun....

    and it's not about respect that i do or dont use a cap...

    the reason your a jew hater or israeli hater is because you sound like one, you post like one, you bitch, moan and scream irrationally like one....

    and whether you LIKE it or NOT, it's my country JUST AS MUCH AS YOURS...

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  8. rufus,

    i was wrong...

    your money DOES go to crazies on the west bank, they are called palestinians...

    America (for you a cap) gives the palestinians in gaza this year 700,000,000 dollars and the palestinians of the west bank 900,000,000 dollars

    the squatting arabs have built hundreds of new villages in the west bank, all funded by both America and europe...

    yep we should be proud as Americans that our monies give 900 BILLION a year to the arabs, who use this cash (mostly all rufus's of course) to teach, and fucnd a 7th century death cult...

    Makes one PROUD to be an American were we do give crazies in west bank money to build better homes than most Americans...

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  9. I was so proud 2 weeks ago when America took steps to cut off aid to honduras....

    I was so proud 2 weeks ago when America released 75 murdering islamic sadr terrorists (funded by iran(

    I was so proud when America lifted sanctions on syria giving another American murdering country a pass...

    /off Sarcasm, but rufus will be happy cause I showed respect by using capital A for our nation...

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  10. hey rufus...

    here ya go...

    this should set the balance sheet even...

    America
    America
    America
    America
    America
    America
    America
    America
    America
    America
    America
    America
    America
    America
    America
    America
    America
    America
    America
    America

    I will not write America without caps

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  11. Cut the funding to both sides, there in the Levant, that's the best course for US to take.

    Along with ending the subsidies to Jordan and Egypt.

    Time to leave Japan, Korea and Italy, too.

    WWII is long over, as is the "Cold War". We should bring the boys home, because it is over, over there.

    While the professional victims begin the day with their usual whine.

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  12. I don't give the Arabs a dime. I burn ethanol in MY Flexfuel Chevy. How about you?

    I don't believe you're an American, WIO. Pure, and simple. You'll Never convince me, otherwise.

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  13. Suicide of the West?

    In ways large and small, the West is surrendering on the installment plan to Islamic extremists.

    THOMAS SOWELL

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  14. 2164th said...
    The Germans would not have been in Poland without Russian complicity.

    2,700,000 human beings, killed for the crime of being Jews, made up 3.8% of the 70,000,000 human beings killed as a result of the joint actions of the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.


    6.7 million jews were murdered, 6 million other minorities were also murdered (gypsies, gays, retarded & more) this number of about 13 million were murdered...

    war is war...

    starvation is starvation...

    but remember the nazis took energy away from the war effect to continue to murder the jews they continued to collect, even when the war was failing...

    trains were employed to remove the jew-ash & bodies from any german controlled lands as to not infect them...

    so if you want to play %'s almost 10% of every death in ww2 was infact a murder a jew....

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  15. Again we must suffer the rants of the "Big Nose" superiority, to the common American, while reading once again why the Israeli need our assistance, in perpetuity.

    While the monies that Bernie Madoff stole from his own tribe of Noses, the interest on those monies, at 7 or 8%, would have matched the US taxpayers subsidies to Israel.

    But the US contingent of the "Tribe" does not want to "ante up", they'd rather eat US taxes than spend their own money on their Colony on the shores of the Eastern Med.
    The US providing the Russians a pressure release valve for their own sectarian dilemmas. With almost 20% of the Israeli population newly arrived from Russia. While the Russians do not subsidize the Israeli, except to buy the technologies stolen from US.

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  16. rufus said...
    I don't give the Arabs a dime. I burn ethanol in MY Flexfuel Chevy. How about you?

    I don't believe you're an American, WIO. Pure, and simple. You'll Never convince me, otherwise.


    rufus...

    your such a dick...

    look around your home... see any plastic?

    every buy anything produced with PLASTIC?

    as for my being an American?

    your not the judge...

    and I do have a birth certificate from a hospital in Philadelphia with a md & and a date and time...

    dont like my lazy typing? fine

    I think your an American, just as American as david duke, pat buchanan, jessie jackson and al sharpton...

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  17. Here's a Hell of an Idea. Label My Fuel

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  18. wo"o" is sectarian. He has no US national loyalty.

    Doubt he has ever sacrificed a day or a dollar, willingly, in support of the national interests of the United States.

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  19. Oh, I don't like YOU, so I must be a "NAZI!"

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  20. I don't like "Cap, and Tax," now do I want a "Government Option,"

    so I'm a "RACIST!"


    Anything else?

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  21. desert rat said...
    Again we must suffer the rants of the "Big Nose" superiority, to the common American, while reading once again why the Israeli need our assistance, in perpetuity.


    israel requested and had it's economic aid reduced to zero...

    only after 9/11 did bush request to increase military aid to israel, which is what she gets now...

    israel gets a drop of aid to counter the trillions a year we give to the arabs via oil...

    last year alone... (while you bitch about 3 billion to israel in military aid)

    America spent 110 billion on nato
    America spent 1 billion on lebanon
    America spent 1,5 billion on palestinians
    America spent 100 billion on iraq
    America spent 900 billion on arab oil
    America spent 3 billion on egypt
    America spent million on aid to saudi arabia
    America spent billions on s korean bases
    America spent billion on japan's security and bases

    yep rat...

    keep squeaking like a rat... it fits

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  22. desert rat said...
    wo"o" is sectarian. He has no US national loyalty.
    Doubt he has ever sacrificed a day or a dollar, willingly, in support of the national interests of the United States.



    Then you'd be wrong...

    Hey rat...

    since you cant discuss issues you just want to sling shit at me?

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  23. I don't believe in CO2-induced "Catastrophic Global Warming,"

    So, I want all the little Kiddies to "Burn Up."


    I guess I'm a "MASS MURDERER!"


    I just love fucking "lefties."

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  24. rufus said...
    Oh, I don't like YOU, so I must be a "NAZI!"


    absolutely not...

    the reason i think your a jew hater/israel hater is by your words that single out israel and or jews and ignore 999/1000 others...

    by singling out israel/jews for your ridicule and ignoring the many others, that makes you a jew hater/israel hater....

    i know lots of rednecks that are NOT israel haters like you.... I shoot with them, i camp with them, i march in the 4th of July parade with them...

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  25. America spent 900 billion on arab oil


    You're, also, not worth a shit with numbers.

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  26. rufus said...
    I don't believe in CO2-induced "Catastrophic Global Warming,"
    So, I want all the little Kiddies to "Burn Up."
    I guess I'm a "MASS MURDERER!"
    I just love fucking "lefties."



    see we agree on something... I want global warming...

    I want the deserts to heat up.....

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  27. Love how you conflated dissatisfaction with Israel to "Israel Hater," and, Then, to

    "JEW HATER!!"

    March in the 4 th of July Parade, my ass.

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  28. rufus said...
    America spent 900 billion on arab oil
    You're, also, not worth a shit with numbers.


    then correct it....


    http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=201139


    OPEC’s income down by $363b in seven months


    A sharp decline in crude prices allied with heavy production cuts to depress OPEC’s oil export earnings by nearly $363 billion (Dh1.3 trillion) in the first seven months of 2009, official U.S. figures showed yesterday.

    From $645bn in the first seven months of 2008, the income of the 12-nation Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) plummeted by 56 per cent to nearly $282bn in the first seven months of this year, showed the figures by the Energy Information Administration (EIA).

    EIA of the U.S. Department of Energy gave no reason for the decline but the price of OPEC’s basket averaged about $52 in the first seven months of 2009 compared with as high as $110 in the same period of last year.

    OPEC also agreed to cut its output by 4.2 million barrels per day from the beginning of 2009 to keep prices relatively firm after they crashed close to $30 a barrel in December because of the global financial distress. Before the eruption of the crisis, crude prices had climbed to their highest ever level of about $147 in late July on strong demand, market speculation and weak dollar.

    EIA forecast OPEC’s earnings at about $555bn in 2009, sharply lower than the record high revenues of $968bn it achieved in 2008 because of high prices and production. But the report expected a strong recovery in the group’s income to about $667bn in 2010 as it forecasts higher prices due to a mild recovery in the global economy and consequently oil demand. A breakdown showed the UAE netted about $26bn in the first seven months of 2009.


    yep about 900 billion a year

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  29. rufus said...
    Love how you conflated dissatisfaction with Israel to "Israel Hater," and, Then, to
    "JEW HATER!!"
    March in the 4 th of July Parade, my ass.



    Your ass gets more action than barney franks....

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  30. i did misquote...

    opec's $ in 2008 900 billion....

    and America consumed about 25%

    and also America also provided for free 1-3 aircraft carrier GROUPS for shipping lanes protection....

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  31. wi"o" says he used to be a Democrat, but then they put Emanuel in the White House, now he is unhappy with his Party.

    The candidate that was support by his "Tribe" won, and he is unhappy.

    Just keep those checks to the Zionist coming, those industrious and superior Israeli Russians need access to our Chinese credit line.

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  32. Hey rufus

    was Jesus a "west bank" crazy too?

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  33. Bitter about WWII, but he drives a German built Mercedes.

    Self interest conquers all.

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  34. If there really was a Jesus, if he was not an invention of the Romans, as mat would tell us he was, yes, he be a "crazy", too.

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  35. Don't worry, I put "Jesus Freaks" in the same general grouping as Zionists, and Wahabi Muslims.

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  36. desert rat said...
    wi"o" says he used to be a Democrat, but then they put Emanuel in the White House, now he is unhappy with his Party.
    The candidate that was support by his "Tribe" won, and he is unhappy.
    Just keep those checks to the Zionist coming, those industrious and superior Israeli Russians need access to our Chinese credit line.



    yep you are right, my tribe DID support obama, much to my screams and rants....

    i do liken the masses of American Jews to sheep at this time...

    chicago gangsters (some who happen to be jewish) are crooks & pricks)

    i have been very upfront from the moment i learned about obama about being against him and his cronies....

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  37. Yeah, I'd say missing it by $675 Billion would qualify you as "not worth a fuck with numbers."

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  38. desert rat said...
    Bitter about WWII, but he drives a German built Mercedes.
    Self interest conquers all.



    so I should blame to the people of germany today for what happened 80 years ago?

    germany actually (unlike japan) has shown it's remorse and actively has taken steps to change it's people so it will not happen again. is germany perfect? no

    so to be a "good" jew i should boycott everything german...

    as a "good" American i should boycott everything from opec & arabia?

    more nonsense rat...

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  39. rat i aint BITTER about ww2...

    please show me any collection from me about being bitter about the mass murder of my sectarian affiliation?

    now I aint bitter, as our teach great leader would say it's a teaching moment...

    and thus...

    I enjoy another german product....

    GLOCK

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  40. rufus said...
    Yeah, I'd say missing it by $675 Billion would qualify you as "not worth a fuck with numbers."


    then i am in good company....

    obama looted that much in one week from us....

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  41. NEW YORK (Reuters) – A U.S. ethanol industry group is pushing lawmakers to craft legislation requiring gasoline filling stations to inform customers what country their fuel came from in hopes of increasing awareness about money spent on oil imported from overseas.

    U.S. Ethanol Group wants "Country of Origin Labeling"

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  42. so I should blame to the people of germany today for what happened 80 years ago?

    No, there's no sense in it. They're not going to give you any money, anyway.

    Instead, you're going to bore ME to death with it. Maybe, I should post something about the "Trail of Tears" every morning.

    BMW? Glock? Fuck, you're probably a German. Would explain some of your punctuation.

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  43. The Holocaust was 80 years, ago?

    Damn. I AM getting old.

    Yep, German. That explains it.

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  44. rufus
    Instead, you're going to bore ME to death with it. Maybe, I should post something about the "Trail of Tears" every morning.


    I dont live in a holocaust vacuum....

    nor is it my daily cry....

    the difference of what happened to my tribe for 2000 years in the middle east and europe verses what happened to many of the native americans was the fact that many native americans FOUGHT back...

    the jews thru-out their history had been dis-armed and enslaved and taught (under genocidal penalty) not to fight back...

    today FINALLY the jew has come full circle, we have learned by watching what the world can do and will not do that we need to protect ourselves....

    who will save ANYONE in this world?

    no one....

    so to answer rat, i am a sectarian

    but to you, I am an American

    I do not trust the USA to keep me safe from jihadists, rapists and murderers...

    I believe in the concept of American individualism and community...

    and as such....

    I own mossberg & glocks...

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  45. Ah, I'm bored to tears with the whole thing. Religious/Ethnic people make me want to cry.

    But, I'll Never believe you're an American.

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  46. Re: "big boy"

    No, that would be "Mr. Big Nose".

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  47. rufus,

    why should wio care?

    why are you more american than him?

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  48. The point is, Marek, if WIO really was an American he wouldn't give a shit WHAT "I" think.

    Fine, he can "be an American." He can "be a Vesuvian."

    He can be a "Rostfanarian."

    But, if he writes the name of my Country, he should spell it correctly.

    If I write, "Israel," I will spell It correctly. (Even if I Don't agree with what they're doing.)

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  49. Re: "The Holocaust was 80 years, ago?"

    It would seem that innumeracy is the rule of the day.

    WWII started 70 years ago, this morning. Think about that for a moment, as you brush your teeth.

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  50. I hope that wasn't aimed at me. I know when WWII was fought (and when the holocaust took place.)

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  51. While it may be true that 70,000,000 million were murdered, ONLY "big noses" were singled out for immediate genocide. The distinction is not insignificant.

    The German plan contemplated keeping large numbers of "breeding stock" and slave labor from other "scum".

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  52. "The Holocaust was 80 years, ago?"

    January 30, 1933 and the assumption of power by Adolf Hitler


    I never said the start of WWII

    I guess people like to read things that I didnt write and make up rebuttals to that effect...

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  53. My two cents.

    Rat and Rufus are way out off base. Rufus can dish it out but can't take it and Rat loves to poke people in the eye. Though, admittedly, Rat doesn't usually take the first swing. And Rufus is by and large a genial bloke but when it comes to religion or Israel, the ugly shows. This business of calling someone unAmerican because they misspelled the word is ridiculous. Can you say that you are proud of the good 'ol USA 100% of the time. I doubt it. If so, you've been sniffing too much ethanol.

    So, give it a rest.

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  54. Rufus said:
    Don't worry, I put "Jesus Freaks" in the same general grouping as Zionists, and Wahabi Muslims.

    I'll pray for you.

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  55. It was aimed at you. Do enlighten us.

    Under your 80 year rule, the holocaust would have begun in 1929. Just to be fair, Hitler did not become a German until 1932. He became Chancellor in 1933.

    If you can massage these numbers to fit your scenario, that will be quite a feat.

    In the spirit of fairness, strong historical evidence suggests that "holocaust" was the rule in Europe from about the 10thC. C.E. For example, during the 18 month Chmielnicki massacres, 1/2 the Jews of Poland, Ukraine and Galicia were murdered...about 1 million, more or less, of the "big noses"...but who's counting...

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  56. Some people say that it's anti-American to be anti Judaeo-Christian.

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  57. Norwegian Oil Production Dropping Like a Rock

    Was 2.2 Million bpd at the end of 2008 (probably averaged 2.3 to 2.4 for the year,)

    Down to 1.9 mbpd, this year. Probably looking at 1.5 to 1.6 (at the best) Next Year.

    This field was developed using the Best Western Technology, and with "Unlimited" Financial Resources.

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  58. rufus,

    Thanks for clarifying: wio doesn't capitalize America so he can't be an American.

    Forgetting your other arguments for the moment, your picking on wio's spelling in the context of general level of grammar and spelling on this and other blogs seems a bit odd. Does your logic apply to all others not capitalizing America as well?

    Secondly, why "giving a shit what you think makes" wio not an American? Is it only what you think or shouldn't wio care what DR and others think to be an American?

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  59. WIO wrote:

    so I should blame to the people of germany today for what happened 80 years ago?

    (Now he informs us the German "bad" was in electing Hitler, not in committing the holocaust. I see)

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  60. You need to go back and read what he wrote. It was, quite obviously, intentional to not capitalize, America.

    WIO always Capitalizes the first letter of a sentence. He has Every post that he's made. But, those two sentences that started with the name of my country, he Did Not Capitalize.

    It was Not an inadvertant spelling mistake. It's even cowardly to try and portray it as such.

    Whit, I said I considered "Jesus Freaks," Zionists, and Wahabi Muslims in the same boat. You said you'd "pray for me." Don't bother.

    By the way, which one do you consider the "outlier?"

    I think I can "take it" pretty well. I just don't intend on getting "pushed around," by whining religious zealots.

    And, I'm called a "Nazi," but I'm out of line. Piss.

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  61. In general I think it is a mistake to categorize genocide or murder of human beings. Obviously there are exceptions when the sole purpose of their murder is because of what they are, but murder is in the eye of the beholder.

    We all do it to some extent. The tragedy in doing that is that if you focus on one group of victims, you weigh other groups less. That is a very slippery slope.

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  62. From 1975- 1979 the entire "civilized world" did nothing when the Cambodians were being massacred wholesale, probably 2,000,000. Why were they chosen to be slaughtered?

    It was known that it was happening. It was not stopped by the US, Germany, Soviet Union, UK or Israel.

    It does seem to matter as to who is doing the killing and who is doing the dying.

    What lessons were learned by the slaughter of innocents in WWII? By deed, not many.

    One may not like the facts, but they are still facts.

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  63. And, then there was "Rwanda," and we said, "Never Again;"

    and Darfur came along, and made liars of us,

    Again.

    And, my Cherokee ancestors ambushed the Dutch, and my Dutch/Danish ancestors defeated the Cherokee, and set them on the "Trail of Tears."

    And, Life goes on.

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  64. And my Cherokee/English paternal grandmother married a Dane, and sometimes, after more than a few beers, my Cherokee side goes to War with my Dutch side (that can Really get ugly,)

    but then I sober up, and apologize to my Korean wife over any broken furniture, or intemperate words.

    And, Venus is still hot, and the milky way is, largely, unaffected.

    So, life goes on.

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  65. It certainly does seem to matter who is getting killed and by whom. On 911 3 thousand were killed, relatively small historically (2 million Cambodians ect.) but the act certainly had world wide effects.

    One of the things that make the Holocaust stand out is the top down cold clinical systematic calculating nature of the slaughter. Ironically some of the "torture" memos seem to have a similar aura about them.

    One thing about the benefits to the US of the money sent to Israel is the leverage it does appear to afford US. GW Bush didn't seem to use that leverage on the Israelis Obama appears as if he might be.

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  66. I would not marginalize or trivialize the murder of one human being or some millions. Neither would Judaism.

    Political regimes, such as Stalin's, commit/committed mass murder for political effect.

    Genocide is another matter entirely. Jews were marked for EXTINCTION. Every last one: man, woman and child were to die.

    The slippery slope here is the inability of some to grasp the enormity of modernity’s crime committed against the "Big Noses" and recognize that trivialization/denial is the first step to repetition.

    My participation in these disputes has not as its purpose the changing of minds. If there were minds at work, we would not be having these conversations. Rather, I am obliged to defend truth against the corrupting influence of bigotry.

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  67. Bullshit, you start it as often as not.

    We get it, Allen; we're just tired of it.

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  68. And, it doesn't excuse the Israelis acting like asses.

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  69. I blame the US government for turning away the St. Louis (An old gentleman in my synagogue was aboard that ship at age "10 1/2". His father died in Auschwitz. He and his mother made it into Switzerland.)

    I do not blame the US government for failing to bomb the camps. Quite apart from the suicidal futility of the effort, every soldier, every bean, bullet and boot, every railcar diverted to the camps was one less available to support the German army on either front. In a macabre way, a condemned Jew provided as much support to the war effort by dying as did any American or Russian soldier. My opinion on this matter is not universally approved by all "Big Noses".

    As to Irgun, this renegade organization did engage in at least one large scale act of calculated terrorism; it just wasn't the King David Hotel. The quick studies of anti-Semitic propaganda just don't know their history.

    Re: rufus said "bullshit"

    The buffoon of "Big Nose" ignorant insult bloviates again. What a surprise.

    I would still be willing to see a vote on who is the bigger fool, rufus. If I lose, I am gone, again. If you lose, you are gone. DR did not take the challenge and neither will you. Where else could you spend a day giving vent to your inner moron?

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  70. In the late 1930's Germany was a nation in process of committing suicide and decided to take a whole lot of people with it.

    Their slave labor, such as it was, would have been liquidated just as soon as it couldn't slave anymore.

    The Soviet Union did indeed oversee the murder of more human beings but thankfully that ended unhappily for it, too, as the whole enterprise crumbled. And what are the Russians now but still a sick and badly damaged people who would gladly do most of it all over again on any given day of the week.

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  71. rufus,

    for the last time...

    i am a lazy typist...

    period

    if you choose to select which words i cap then your a retard pure and simple...

    if i want to make an insulting remark about ANYTHING or BODY no-one in my life has ever had a problem in figuring it out...

    i have posted thousands of posts...

    i shoot from the hip, i dont spell check, i dont use normal capitalization 90% of the time...

    look at a key board to cap an A requires me to move my left hand back and search for the shift and a... to cap an I it's in the middle of the keyboard.. PERIOD

    a's are a bitch to cap

    i's are easy...

    this is the 4th time i have said it...

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  72. rufus said...
    And, it doesn't excuse the Israelis acting like asses.


    wtf?


    please name me one "people" that hasnt acted like asses in the history of the world....

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  73. this is the 4th time i have said it...

    Tue Sep 01, 01:51:00 PM EDT

    What's the definition of insanity?

    If you have to say it more than twice, What Is, you know you're dealing either with cognitive impairment or a raging case of jackass. And just walk away.

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  74. please name me one "people" that hasnt acted like asses in the history of the world....

    Sweden :) (cough, cough)

    Perhaps on this day we ought to think more about a common danger that unites us, rather than the divisions of the past, though we must remember them, it's proper to do so.

    Whether you are a Cherokee, a Jew or a Swede, we're all on you know who's hit list.

    Peace, brothers and sisters, at home, vigilance abroad.

    There's another thing we all agree on, we've got a disaster in the White House.

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  75. Ahhh, but there is the rub, bob.

    Why is Obama in the White House?
    Who manipulated and funded his life, so he'd be ready and able to step into the fray?

    Why Lester Crown, of course.

    But to bring that to the table for discussion and remedy, the subject is immediately attacked as anti-semitic.

    Want to discuss the voting patterns of the liberal electorate, can't, it is anti-semitic.

    Even the F-22 story scares the conspiracy theorists. But if that is not a example of raw political manipulation of the Government, used for corporate payback, I've never seen one.

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  76. I am not aware of any challenge that allen posted, but I do not usually read more than the first line or so of his product.

    So if he buried a challenge in the depths of one of his rants, I missed it...

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  77. And my Cherokee/English paternal grandmother married a Dane, and sometimes, after more than a few beers, my Cherokee side goes to War with my Dutch side (that can Really get ugly,)

    No there's a Papst Blue Ribbon Friday Night Fight--

    for those too young, and missed the Golden Age of TV

    Boxing Decline.
    The sport of professional boxing seemed to be in decline at the beginning of the 1960s. Boxing had been the most frequently televised sporting event during the 1950s because it was easy to produce: the action between two men in a small ring could be captured easily and cheaply by a single camera. By the end of the 1950s fights appeared routinely on television; Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer sponsored the Wednesday night fights on ABC, and Gillette sponsored the Friday night fights on NBC. Televised fights used up fighters and distorted an already-corrupt sport.
    --

    (this has it wrong, I think it was Papst on Friday nights)--

    that I'd like to watch :)

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  79. bob said...
    please name me one "people" that hasnt acted like asses in the history of the world....

    Sweden :) (cough, cough)


    no, sweden last week reported that israel was harvesting organs from dead palestinians.

    the newspaper admitted it was publishing this story without any fact checking..

    the swedish government would not condemn it say freedom of the press... however it did take the stand a couple of years ago in prohibiting the publishing of the "mohammed is dog" cartoons

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  80. yes dr...

    it's all the Joos fault...

    we have powers you know...

    i have to go pack some candy boxes now, but when i get back i'll work on taking over a few countries over lunch....

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  81. dr Want to discuss the voting patterns of the liberal electorate, can't, it is anti-semitic.


    jews make up LESS than 1.5% of the voting block...

    and 85 % voted for obama....

    so about 1.25% of Americans who happen to be joos voted for president floopy ears...

    it's a landslide i tell ya...

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  82. I'm not going anywhere, Bubba. I put up the first comment, on the first night. Have a nice trip.

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  83. And, by the way, I have, from time to time, given Republicans hell, I've given Democrats hell, I've given Euros hell, Wetbacks hell, Generals hell, Rat hell, Bob hell, Presbyterians hell, Hindus hell, Muzzies hell, and I even gave my cousin George W. Bush hell, onct.

    I'll sure as shootin give the Jews hell when I feel like it.

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  84. It puts you IN the Club, Bubba; not out of it.

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  86. no, sweden last week reported that israel was harvesting organs from dead palestinians.

    the newspaper admitted it was publishing this story without any fact checking..


    Yeah, I read a story about that story, WiO. It's shameful.

    I got to thinking about it though. It was some more or less tabloid type paper I think. I don't know the truth of who runs that paper, and a couple others too I've read about. I'm hoping it wasn't some wayward Swedes, but some Swedish muzzies behind it. I just don't know.

    It's shameful, whatever the truth of who is behind it.

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  87. rufus,

    You did NOT post the first comment! Let's hope that that last was a memory lapse and not your standard flippant disregard for truth.

    As it turns, habu posted first. I posted second. Where you fell in I do not recall.

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  88. I agree Ruf has given us all hell, on occasion.

    excuse me for not knowing all the rules

    There aren't any rules, far as I can see, an I'm an oldtimer here.

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  89. "I got to thinking about it though. It was some more or less tabloid type paper I think. I don't know the truth of who runs that paper, and a couple others too I've read about. I'm hoping it wasn't some wayward Swedes, but some Swedish muzzies behind it. I just don't know."
    ---
    Irrelevant:

    The Swedish Govt would not allow the publishing of a similar screed if the roles were reversed.

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  90. I'm not defending the Swedish government.

    After all the best thing grandpa did was leave.

    And they've made a big mistake letting all the muzzies in, I've said it before.

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  91. The Swedish govt is composed of Swedes.
    Thus part of the equation includes wayward Swedes no matter how the pickled fish is sliced.

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  92. trish,

    As a general rule, I agree with you about ignoring harmless ignorance. However, when it comes to lies about Jews, those cannot be ignored by us.

    For centuries buffoons accused us of such things as murdering gentile children for the use of their blood on Passover. We were accused of desecrating the body of Christ through profanation of the host. We were accused of bringing blight to vineyards. We were blamed for plague. Eventually, these lies became conventional wisdom; we died by the thousands because of them.

    Now that the dogs can no longer prey on superstition to accomplish their hateful ends, they lie about other matters. If enough people come to accept the nonsense, we will again pay with our lives. Of course, centuries down the road people will be amazed at the gullibility...like that really helps.

    Our tradition requires of us the saving of life - anyone's life. That has been taken by our teachers to include acting against those behaviors, such as blatant anti-Semitism, that could lead to the loss of life.

    You are rightfully incensed by willful disrespect for American traditions and icons. Think about how we (Jews) feel when some crackpot publishes lies about our brothers having purposefully murdered American service members, many of whom are also our brothers.

    That some rustic thinks that all Jews have aquiline proboscises is mildly amusing. However, when that stereotype is coupled with the knowing misrepresentation of history, we have entered the realm of Goebbels. That is not funny; it is pornographic; it is sadistically dangerous.

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  93. "In Buffalo Coat I have called Moscow Opportunity with the ironic thought that it seemed to embody opportunity for people from the Old World, while in reality it could offer them nothing new, only a rearrangement of the kind of life they had previously known."

    From the Preface of Buffalo Coat by our local author Carol Ryrie Brink

    Not a bad book, not particularily great.

    Anyway I've taken it to mean if you bring the crappy old attitudes, urges to animosity, etc with you from an Old World to a New, you really haven't gone very far.

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  94. This is as far as my way-back machine goes. Evidently Deuce "got lost" the first night's thread.

    I could be wrong, or maybe you and Habu were sitting in the corner when I walked in and asked if "the beer was cold."

    Anyways, hope you enjoy my company, cause I'm too damned old to "travel."

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  95. "As a general rule, I agree with you about ignoring harmless ignorance. However, when it comes to lies about Jews, those cannot be ignored by us."

    Allen, there's a difference between walking away from fruitless "debates" and ignoring slander.

    What you know, you know.

    It is not your duty on any given day to engage assholes.

    It really isn't.

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  96. Whit said: “So give it a rest.”

    Sorry Whit, I rarely visit this blog so you will have to excuse me for not knowing all the rules. I see from the header that you are listed under Proprietors and Barkeep. Does this imply that you have the authority to break up spats between the patrons? Just asking.

    Rufus introduced me to this blog a few years back. It seemed like a nice friendly place at the time. However, to me it was a little too much of “A Congenial Place for Calm Discussion”. In other words, at least during those times when I visited it, it was a little boring. Therefore, when I recently revisited The Bar, I was pleased to see that the level of conversation had devolved to the point that vitriol and vituperation now run rampant. Much more interesting.

    Of course, it’s a little difficult to follow the point of some of the posts and you have to put up with the likes of:

    “Rather, I am obliged to defend truth against the corrupting influence of bigotry.”

    (My god, what excruciating pomposity.)

    Still, 2164th keeps the blog rolling along and I’ve been able to glean a few factoids. For instance, that my friend Rufus (aka the Corn King) has now become a hand-typing expert and profiler. Good going Ruf.

    At any rate, Whit, if in your role as bouncer you could use a lighter tough with the patrons it would be appreciated. After all, given:

    "your such a dick..."

    and

    "I guess I'm a "MASS MURDERER!"

    and even

    "I will not write America without caps"

    Damn, it just can't get much better than this.

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  97. The Swedish govt is composed of Swedes.
    Thus part of the equation includes wayward Swedes no matter how the pickled fish is sliced.


    These days I'd say, alas, how true. And they don't even 'govern' the entire country. Their are areas that are basically ungovernable, muslim enclaves.

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  98. "Anyway I've taken it to mean if you bring the crappy old attitudes, urges to animosity, etc with you from an Old World to a New, you really haven't gone very far."
    ---
    Have it your way:
    For me, if Edinburgh is going to suck up to Qadhafi, so will I.
    PBUH

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  99. Therefore, when I recently revisited The Bar, I was pleased to see that the level of conversation had devolved to the point that vitriol and vituperation now run rampant. Much more interesting.

    Familiarity often breeds contempt, after all.

    We're sick of each other!

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  100. Blogger Quirk said...

    "Damn, it just can't get much better than this."

    LOL!

    And ole Doug there ranting and raving about the Swedish government not controlling what their press writes - lordy!

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  101. ...it has become comic as opposed to enlightening...

    ...good for a laugh anyway.

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  102. Not me. I'm just sick of "Religion," unrelenting, day, after, day.

    You click on in the morning, and here it comes, again.

    The freakin Monsoon wasn't so all-pervasive, and debilitating.

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  103. I can't even concentrate on what a "Dick" Doug is.

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  104. Thanks, Rufus, I was gonna ask why you left me out...


    ---
    NOT controling what the press writes:
    Do you EVER get anything write,
    A_h?

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  105. 2164th said...
    Kim Zigfeld publishes the Russia blog La Russophobe. He posted this this afternoon:

    ..."Apart from direct frontal assaults on the Georgian regime, Russia is also seeking to destabilize it by fomenting armed conflict in various regions of unrest, particularly Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Here Russian hypocrisy is truly breathtaking; Russia utterly rejects Chechnya’s claim to independence and righteously bellows whenever any outside nation is thought to be supporting Chechnya’s claims. Yet, Russia has no problem in fomenting discord within Georgia, seeking to encourage similar regions to break from the Georgian fold.

    The spy scandal is unfolding in the immediate wake of NATO’s decision to begin “intensive dialogue” with Georgia over its admission to the NATO family, the final phase of negotiation before membership is granted. Obviously, once Georgia becomes a full-fledged member of NATO it will no longer be possible for Russia to attempt direct military intervention in Georgian affairs, so it is not surprising to see Russia reaching deep into its bag of evil tricks in a last-gasp attempt to unseat Georgia’s government and forestall admission.

    The very notion of democracy, much less its practice, is under direct assault in Russia today. The Kremlin has seized control of all national television media, ended popular election of local officials, destroyed national political parties and is even beginning a program to teach Russian Orthodoxy in public schools. The Western democracies must increase their vigilance in order to forestall the forces of authoritarianism from seeping outside Russia’s borders and infiltrating the nations of the former Soviet bloc. It is very clear now that Russia has no intention of letting those nations go without a fight."

    Sat Sep 30, 11:50:00 PM EDT

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  106. Sept 2006, that is.
    Time does fly.

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  107. Bob, I got news for you. Most of your ancestors were "Apes with NO clothes."

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  108. 9. michael Stafford-Hill:


    Anyone who would disparage his own Grandma so he could look better by comparison would not hesitate to use religion and God for purely mechanical advantage. He compares his efforts to God in deciding matters of life and death, and to Jesus in wanting to build the economy not on sand (boom and bust) but on rock (i.e. a mountain of debt).
    He seems the epitome of the hypocrite of the gospel who prays and fasts in public for the sake of his own reputation, rather than as an address to God.
    He is canny concerning the mechanics of guilt and atonement. He campaigned to a flawed and tragic nation: “this time it can be different.”
    You can unload your race and class guilt or prove yourself innocent by voting for the black man! Yes you can.
    In this he appeals to other self styled prophets of social “just us” who need to do penance for their class guilt through rituals of patronizing charity to the less fortunate. (But with other people’s money.)
    Beyond this audience, however, his ambitious words have the sound of clanging brass. His moral over-reaching is all pride. He doesn’t long for salvation himself, but needs to play the savior to others; he is America’s big brother and everyone’s keeper. He doesn’t know how hollow and even blasphemous this sounds. I hope he keeps it up.

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  109. 27. Enscout:


    LOTM:
    I’m 2/3 of the way through James Carroll’s “Constantine’s Sword”. A worthy read for all. Written through a Catholic prism, it is a thorough self examination and must read for all Christians.
    As a descendant of ‘New Christian’ Jews, it confirmed much of what I thought I understood about the relationship between post-exile Jews and post-Constantine Christianity.

    Yadah Yahweh

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  110. Note: the large amount of new smoke seen is due to backfires set by firefighters. This is the very best thing to do at the moment. Go California firefighters!
    For recent fire updates, click here

    http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/towercam.htm

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  111. check the overall status of the Station Fire at inciweb.org.

    Monday, 1 Sep 09, 1:25 pm PDT - Go to www.ktla.com for live feed (click at the top of their homepage) from the mountain showing fire between the 60-inch and 100-inch telescopes along the south vacuum tube lines of the CHARA Array.

    White knuckle time, but if these are indeed backfires as we believe, then we are in good shape.

    Monday, 1 Sep 09, 12:58 pm PDT - A mirror site has been set up for the UCLA Towercam by Alex Avtanski. His link will help reduce congestion on the Towercam server, and I very much appreciate this kind service.

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  112. Teenage Lottery Winner Callie Rogers Says She's Broke

    When Callie Rogers was just 16 years old, she won $3 million in a British lottery drawing. Now, six years later, the 22-year-old mother of two says she has blown almost all the money. Most of the cash disappeared on spending sprees, but she estimates she dropped $400,000 on cocaine.

    "I honestly wish I'd never won the lottery money -- and knowing what I know now I should have just given it all back to them,” she told in an interview published in Sunday's News of the World.

    Rogers said she spent the money on homes for herself, her parents and her grandmother. She bought expensive cars and gifts and lent money to relatives. She spent more than $730,000 on designer clothes, partying and having her breasts augmented, according to the Daily Mail.

    And she estimates she spent $400,000 on cocaine -- most of which went to a boyfriend.
    "I was spending a fortune on cocaine, a nasty evil drug which tears your life apart," she told News of the World. "I might as well have thrown it down the toilet."
    Rogers said she was far too immature to have been entrusted with a fortune.

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  113. Re: "pomposity"

    I am also sanctimonious.

    On the other hand, I'm not a bigot. You?

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  114. Bob,
    That CBS Video shows a full-grown freaking forest right up to the telescopes.
    If they save them, it will have been very lucky that it happened this time with no wind.
    Normal downslope Santa Ana's woulda wiped it out in minutes.
    Hopefully they'll use the fire to do what should have been done all along.
    ...clear the damn thing.
    Don't bet on it.

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  115. Should have been clear cut two/three hundred yards out years ago, al-Doug. Freaking greenies, I bet.

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  116. Dr. Bill should have been in charge, obviously.

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  117. Re: "On the other hand, I'm not a bigot. You?"

    Actually, I don't see myself as bigot. However, based on some of the posts I've noted on this blog my opinion might not account for much here.

    Bigot. Racist. Homophobe. Un-American. Evil-doer. Etc. Etc. Etc. While each of these terms may have their legitimate place in a given conversation, I find these days they are used mainly by people too lazy or inept to argue their position on a given subject without quickly defaulting to the ad hominem option. Usually, this "arguement" is used in conjunction with another logical fallacy, "the straw man." You know, take someone's statement, ignore their actual position and substitute a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. It's the kind of language the kool-aid drinkers on the right and/or the left love to use. Heck, it's possible they may even believe it.

    So, as I've said, I don't consider myself a bigot. Does it bother me being called one. No, not so much.

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  118. trish,

    We will have to agree to disagree.

    (Why do I have the feeling that "habu" just made a pass through? ...something familiar about the style... Was it here or elsewhere? ...Hmm)

    Do we discuss religion at the EB day-in, day-out? I think not. National Socialism is a political theory, espousing racial superiority, among other things. That is hardly the stuff of religion (unless one's predilictions run to National Socialism, of course).

    In a sincere effort to lighten the mood, just today, on this very thread, I lead off with a humorous take on physiological demographics, i.e. those of the "Big Nose" in the Poland of September 1939 (a harmless enough topic).

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  119. "We will have to agree to disagree."

    : )

    S'cool, Allen.

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  120. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTQfERb9HVk&feature=fvst

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  121. trish,

    In the next reincarnation, I am going to buy for you a gallon of the poison of your choice (and the Ranger, too, if I must:-).

    Life is too short...
    Dance? You betcha!

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  122. I recently bought an album plus of her songs from iTunes. The album "Call me Crazy" and four songs from "There's more where that came from."

    Good stuff. Pure bar room country.

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  123. interesting....

    I think that rufus and dr see me as a religious zealot/sectarian since much of what i view is thru the "glasses' of jew...

    if i am incorrect, sorry...

    but to expand...

    my "sectarianness/jewishness" is not some mystic theology that i am chanting, some ethnic superiority...

    rather my clinging to my "tribe" is about survival...

    my group, for what ever reasons, rational and unrational are targets for murder, this has been occurring with regularity for over 2500 years...

    inspite of the best murderous attempts, my small, numerically tiny group, refuse to "give up" our unique identity, and for that some call us elistist, racist etc...

    but those that are not us do not understand that all we seek it the right to LIVE...

    we do not seek converts...

    we do not seek vast empires...

    we seek the right to eat a pizza without having our throats slit...

    as we speak to each other on this blog please understand that it is NOT a considered crime to murder my pretty daughter in almost 1/3 of the world...

    please understand that the only "rights" we seek are to be judged EQUALLY...

    when rat points out the flaws and mistakes of individual jews as the example that all jews should be judged, when ignoring the tens of thousands of others equal of far worse that is unfair and i baulk..

    to put israel under some standard that NONE of it's surrounding enemies has to even approach is unfair and i baulk...

    whether rufus (the indian) understands it or not..

    Without the JEW (capped for importance) there would be no western civilization PERIOD

    Without the NATION OF ISRAEL today (CAPPED FOR IMPORTANCE) the world would be SOUL-LESS...

    America (capped for importance) get's it's HISTORIC mission from the historic people of Israel, sounds crazy? read the Founders of our Nation...

    Now with the RE-BIRTH of the State of Israel the Jew, for the 1st time in 2600 years gets it's freedom... only to confront a systemic, systematic and comprehensive attempt at the destruction of the State and it's citizens around the globe...

    This genocide against Israelis is not stopped with the national debate...

    Hamas, Islamic jihad, Moslem Brotherhood (and many more including Arabia, Iran) murder or fund murdering Jews, worldwide, on a daily basis...

    The arrests, the attacks are global...

    it's aint about US being religious, it's about US being allowed to live...

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  124. Allen, your first attempt at "levity" this morning:

    But, heck, every family has known such sorrow...no big deal.

    Why ruin such a wonderful day, when we could be thinking about belly button rings and pimples?


    Right at me. First thing.

    Just plain tiresome.

    Wearyingly, tiresome

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  125. Then, FINE WIO, Go "Survive." Take Allen with you.

    Just give us a fucking rest.

    Without the JEW (capped for importance) there would be no western civilization PERIOD

    Well, Now, How in the fucking hell am I supposed to respond to That?

    You're quite fucking "Mad?"

    Yeah, that response seems appropriate.

    YOU'RE QUITE FUCKING MAD!

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  126. rufus,

    The truth hurts; but those willing to make the effort soon overcome its disability.

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  127. What "truth" would that be?

    The "truth" that there "would be no Western Civilization without the JEWS. Period."

    Somebody needs to inform the Mesopotamians, and the Chinese, I suppose. Also, the Egyptians, and the Phoenicians. Should we break this to the Athenians. Nah, might "hurt" too much.

    We're wheeling off into bizaaro-land.

    I think I just developed a nervous tic. What's that spittle doing running down my chin? Does anybody remember my name? What town is this? blblblbbl aaarrgh.

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  128. Chimp evacuated from fire area to Zoo, escaped Zoo.

    Local Fox reporter announced he is now running for Senate in Nevada.
    Nice.

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  129. Chinese Jew

    Indian Jew

    African Jews

    Some of these communities date to 500-700 BCE.

    Even then, Jews would not have agreed with Plessy v. Ferguson, and did not need Brown v. Board of Education to behave civilly to their fellow human beings. (For those overwhelmed by the sheer pomposity, Dear Hearts, try a cold shower.)

    Yep, WiO, we may be "fucking mad", but we are not bigots.

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  130. Chimp running for Senate. That's not unusual.;)

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  131. Re: truth

    rufus,

    You have me confused with WiO.

    "Shirley" you would not be attempting to erect a strawman!

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  132. I stated:

    The "truth" that there "would be no Western Civilization without the JEWS. Period."

    Rufus:

    Somebody needs to inform the Mesopotamians, and the Chinese, I suppose. Also, the Egyptians, and the Phoenicians. Should we break this to the Athenians. Nah, might "hurt" too much.

    We're wheeling off into bizaaro-land.



    Yep your in la la land....

    btw, the Chinese are not part of WESTERN Civilization...

    Your ignorance of the eternal Jew is astounding...

    Your lack of understanding of the group that gave the world the idea of a WEEK, with a day of rest, the idea of eye for an eye (not the misunderstood reader's digest idea, but the REAL eye for an eye which states that an eye for an eye is IMMORAL and that PROPERTY damage is not equal to life or limb...

    The Nation of Israel existed in it's current location for almost 1200 years continual years... 1000 year before the 1st english (they were not english back then) met a Roman...

    Your ignorance of Jewish history and it's contribution speaks loudly as to why your retarded....

    Might is suggest learning HISTORY, (HISTORY, is another IDEA that the JEWS gave the world) before the Jew the people of the world did not view life cycles inthe same way that we do take for granted...

    read Thomas Cahill's The Gifts of the Jews: How a Tribe of Desert Nomads Changed the Way Everyone Thinks and Feels

    try READING something of value...

    really rufus, it's time for you to grow up and learn some real history...

    Yes, without the Jews, you would be a soul-less murderous pagan... whether you KNOW it or not....

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  133. My 07:58 quite clearly responded to WIO's Madcap statement.

    You came in right below my 07:58 and said "the truth hurts."

    I said, "what truth ........"

    Does that sound like I'm setting up a "strawman?"

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  134. Yes, without the Jews, you would be a soul-less murderous pagan... whether you KNOW it or not....


    Okay, I rest my case.

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  135. A Jew who sells land to an Arab in Israel should not be allowed to lead prayers in synagogue, should not be given the right to make a blessing during the Torah reading, should not be counted among the quorum needed for public prayers and is considered an abettor to the enemies of Israel, according to a halachic decision issued on Monday night by a group of rabbis calling themselves "The New Sanhedrin."

    ...

    In their decision, the Sanhedrin explained the historical background. "In recent years a phenomenon has arisen in which Arabs are buying houses and land in Jewish neighborhoods and in this way are gradually buying up these neighborhoods."

    ...

    Halacha forbids the sale of land in Israel owned by Jews to non-Jews. However, there is nothing in Jewish law that prevents someone who does so from participating in prayers.


    Jews Who Sell to Arabs

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  136. WIO, the Mesopotamians had invented, writing, written laws, property rights, and basic Democracy 6,000 Years Ago.

    That's just a touch before your history started.

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  137. Sam,

    two Jews = three opinions - throw in a rabbi and...

    The "New Sanhedrin" is about 64 members shy. Given the average age of the current seven members, that number is likely to increase suddenly.

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  138. Save the Forest is the order of the day, Bob:

    Tuesday, 1 Sep 09, 2:04 pm PDT - CHARA Site Manager Larry Webster, who left the mountain yesterday morning, has told me that what we see on the TV feeds is exactly what the fire fighters told him they would do to deplete flammables on the ground. Their plan, which they would have implemented earlier had they not been withdrawn, was to start these groundlevel fire and literally walk along with them to keep them controlled. This is why we see no flames. The fires will consume the accumulation of needles from the many pine and fir trees as well as other scrub growth that could flame up and ignite lower limbs that would them permit the blossoming of the entire tree into flames. All the smoke we see is entirely consistent with this procedure. Larry and Dave are both delighted to see what's going on, but I've got to say that seeing smoke next to those domes is very unsettling to me. Still, I know what the fire fighters are now doing is necessary to save the Observatory.

    ---

    So, the forest will remain immediately adjacent to multimillion dollar scopes and electronics.
    Green to the bitter end.

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  139. That process of careful scientific analysis and scrutiny will take years, probably decades. But it would be worth the wait.

    Scholars aren't even sure how this enigmatic civilization disappeared. Was it eradicated by conquest, washed away by floods, or did its people just blend into other migrations settling the Indian subcontinent?

    While Harappan cities were vast — Mohenjo-daro could have been populated by as many as 50,000 people, a staggering figure for such deep antiquity — they have left behind few towering monuments or epic ruins. Instead, we have clues in miniature, a copper figurine of a mercurial dancing girl, for example, and a treasure trove of delicately-carved seals, most no larger than a postage stamp.


    Indus Valley

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  140. If rufus wants to live by hammurabi fine...

    I'll take the humane mosaic law.

    being 1st doesnt mean being good or great...


    i didnt say we were the 1st people on earth...

    but abraham DID come from UR and knew a thing or two of WHY it sucked...

    back then, 4 thousand years ago, my ancestor started my tribe with his principals...

    4,000 years ago what was the western world but a swamp?

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  141. "The first pure alphabets (properly, "abjads", mapping single symbols to single phonemes, but not necessarily each phoneme to a symbol) emerged around 1800 BC in Ancient Egypt, as a representation of language developed by Semitic workers in Egypt..."

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  142. All this talk of ancient Jews, interesting, but has no reference to modern Israel and the fact it is a blood sucking leech on the US taxpayer.

    A position it should and need not have.

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  143. A parasite of a City State that would not even exist but for US largess.

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  144. The tel was once described by influential American biblical archeologist William F. Albright as "perhaps the most remarkable Bronze Age site in all Palestine." It presents the most complete sequence of the transition from village to city life in ancient Canaan.

    Built on a raised peninsula near an important crossroads and a fertile valley, Tel Bet Yerah became a major regional center, and its fortification systems, city gate, streets and houses reveal elements of advanced urban planning.

    Modern archeological research on the mound began in the early 1920s, when E.L. Sukenik (father of the late archeologist and politician Prof. Yigael Yadin) examined finds from the section of the old Samak (Tzemah)-Tiberias road that traversed the mound along its entire length.


    Jordan Valley Site

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  145. Trypillian Culture - 6,000 BC

    In the second half of the 6th millennium B.C. and in the first half of the 5th millenium the tribes settled in the basin of the Dnieper and Buh rivers. The settlements were located close to rivers, however a number of settlements have been discovered on the plateaus. Dwellings were made in the ground or half dug into the ground. The floors and fireplaces were made of clay, walls made of wood or reeds covered in clay. Roofing was made of straw or reeds.

    The inhabitants were involved with animal husbandry and agriculture, fishing and gathering. Wheat, rye and peas were grown. Tools included ploughs made of antlers, stone, bone and sharpened sticks. The harvest was collected with scythes made of flint inlaid blades. The grain was milled by stone wheels. Women were involved in pottery, clothing and played a leading role in community life. Men hunted, looked out for the cattle, made tools from flint, bone and stone. Cattle were important and pigs, sheep and goats took a secondary place. The horse was domesticated. Female statues and amulets were made of clay. Rarely one comes across copper items, primarily bracelets, rings and hooks. One settlement in Korbuni, Moldova had a large number of copper items, primarily jewelry which were dated back to the beginning of the 5th millennium BC.

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  146. Same folks - 4,000 BC

    In the middle era the Trypillian culture spread over a wide area from Eastern Transylvania in the West to the Dniper river in he East. The population settled on the banks of the Upper and Middle Right bank of the Dniper river. The population grew consderably and they lived on plateaus near major rivers and springs. Their dwellings were built on poles in the form of circles or ovals. Dwellings were built on log floors covered in clay. Walls were woven from wood covered in clay and a clay stove was situated in the centre of the dwelling. With the growth in population, the area of agriculture also grew. Animal husbandry was popular, however hunting also continued. Tools made of flint, rock and bones were used for cultivation. Axes made of copper have been discovered mined in Volyn and in the areas around the Dniper river. Pottery making was sophisticated. Characteristics were a mono-chromal spiral ornament, painted with black paint on yellow and red base. Pottery was made by hand. Large pear-shaped pottery for the saving of grain, plates etc. Statues of female figures, figures of animals and models of houses have also been found. it is thought that the tribes were matrilineal.

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  147. 3,000 BC

    The late period the territory expanded to include Volyn to the river Sluch and Horyn' and both banks of the Dnieper river near Kyiv. In the area near the Black sea the inhabitants communicated with other cultures. Animal husbandry became more important. Horses became more important. The community transformed into a patriarchal structure. Communities were established on the Don and Volga rivers. Habitats were build differently, spiral ornaments disappear from pottery with a new rope-like ornament becoming popular. Different forms of ritual burial were developed in holes with elaborate burial rituals. The fate of these tribes is tied in with the introduction of Bronze Age items.

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  148. All hail the three Abrahamic sects of Zoromastery!

    They have brought death and destruction to millions of lives, if the Jews are responsible for all those dead, so be it.

    All this time, I thought it was Zoro that was to blame for those deaths, that crafty fox.

    But allen and wi"o" credit those deaths to the civilization developed by Jews, one of the lost tribes of Egypt.

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  149. desert rat said...
    All this talk of ancient Jews, interesting, but has no reference to modern Israel and the fact it is a blood sucking leech on the US taxpayer.
    A position it should and need not have.




    dr says it all... your heart is black...

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  150. My heart is pure, wi"o", as the driven snow.

    You just have a loyalty to a religious sect and not a Nation State.

    You are a creature that has been captured by dreams of a long forgotten past, one that has been rewritten and revised numerous times, not the future.

    As you please.

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