Who would have guessed that eight years on, a street organizer from Chicago, the now being there US President, is investigating the CIA for being too rough when they were interrogating the scum that did this to us?
Where is the anger? Where is the outrage? How did this happen to this country of ours?
How is it that we allow a runt of a man, an Eric Holder, to investigate and terrorize those that worked to find the killers that did this to us?
Who is Eric Holder?
Eric H. Holder, Jr. was born in the The Bronx borough of New York City, to parents with roots in Barbados.
Holder's father, Eric Himpton Holder, Sr. was born in Saint Joseph, Barbados, arrived in the United States when he was eleven.
Holder grew up in East Elmhurst, Queens, and attended public school until the age of 10. When entering the 4th grade he was selected to participate in a program for intellectually-gifted students. He went on to attended Stuyvesant High School in Manhattan and Columbia University in NEW YORK
He played freshman basketball and was co-captain of his team and earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in American history in 1973.
Holder received his J.D. from Columbia Law School, graduating in 1976. He worked for the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund during his first summer and the United States Attorney during his second summer.
President Ronald Reagan appointed Holder to serve on the Bench as a Judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia.
Clinton nominated Holder to be the next Deputy Attorney General under Janet Reno. Holder was confirmed several months later in the Senate by a unanimous vote.
PAY BACKS
Holder was involved with Clinton's last-minute pardon of fugitive and Democratic contributor Marc Rich.
Holder gave Clinton a "neutral, leaning towards favorable" opinion of the pardon.
The reporter Joe Conason contends that Rich's pardon was actually a favor from Clinton to members of the Israeli government, for which Clinton hoped to gain progress in the peace talks between Israel and Palestine.
Holder has expressed some regret over his handling of the Rich pardon, stating "I wish I had done some things differently with regard to the Marc Rich matter. Specifically, I wish that I had ensured that the Department of Justice was more fully informed and involved in this pardon process", and called his own actions a "mistake."
Holder was also involved in Clinton's decision to reduce the criminal sentences of 16 members of the Boricua Popular Army, an organization that has been categorized by the FBI as a terrorist organization.
You can't make this stuff up.
Holder helped negotiate an agreement with the Justice Department for Chiquita Brands International in a case that involved Chiquita's payment of "protection money" to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, a group on the U.S. government's list of terrorist organizations.
(Imagine the different outcome if the flight crews on those US hijacked planes were armed.)
While D.C. v. Heller was being heard by the Supreme Court in 2008, Holder joined the Reno-led amicus brief, which urged the Supreme Court to uphold Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban and said the position of the Department of Justice, from Franklin Roosevelt through Clinton, was that the Second Amendment does not protect an individual right to keep and bear arms for purposes unrelated to a State’s operation of a well-regulated militia.
Holder favors closing the Guantanamo Bay detention camp.
Holder has said that the detainees are not technically entitled to Geneva Convention protections but he is opposed to the Bush administration's implementation of the Patriot Act, saying it is "bad ultimately for law enforcement and will cost us the support of the American people."
Holder has been critical of Enhanced interrogation techniques and the NSA warrantless surveillance program, accusing the Bush administration of a "disrespect for the rule of law... [that is] not only wrong, it is destructive in our struggle against terrorism."
REPEAT, Holder thinks it is destructive against terrorism.
In June 2009 the Government of Barbados announced that it would begin a project to determine the first 100 Great Barbadians which would be selected among the public of Barbados. At the announcement of the project it was announced that Eric Holder was the first candidate to be nominated toward the final list.
It links this to Obama's statement during his Cairo speech to the Muslim world in June:
"Indeed, faith should bring us together. And that's why we're forging service projects in America to bring together Christians, Muslims, and Jews.
...
The action request says that State Department "posts are encouraged to plan an Interfaith Day of Service to commemorate 9-11 that would send a message of goodwill, cooperation, and shared interest to their host countries and their religious communities." But some of these commemorations will not be on 9-11 itself:
"To accommodate posts in countries where Muslims may be observing Ramadan until/about September 19, posts are requested to plan an Interfaith Day of Service between September 11 and October 18, 2009."
We don't stop bending over backwards to reach out to and accommodate an ideology that is intent upon destroying us. It's insanity.
Be sure to watch the Obama clip beneath the Trailer, in which moron boy President demonstrates that he is ignorant about 93 Trade Towers, 9-11, and the story of KSM. ...naturally, he was not called on it.
On that day, my emotions ran from enraged cursing to inconsolable weeping. Mostly, however, I felt impotent frustration: We knew this was going to happen and we failed.
There are events about which we should say, "NEVER AGAIN"!!!! This was such an event; and we cringed and we blinked and we failed to respond with a TERRIBLE resolve. – “Now, I am become death, destroyer of worlds.”
Imagine the possibilities that a life in America offers to those who work hard. Imagine a beautiful September morning, where a young woman, who left Kazakhstan for her new life, is excited and hurrying to her first day at a new job in a new country. On a crisp, clear September day, the sun shone on Zhanetta Tsoy. The sounds of the city must have been enhanced somewhat that pre-Autumn day that would change the world forever.
Zhanetta , age 32, must have felt a sense of exhilaration as she entered the World Trade Center on her way to her new job as an accountant for Marsh, LLC in New York. She had previously been Chief Accountant of the same company in Almaty, Kazakstan. Her husband said that Zhanetta didn’t want to be late. That day as he saw his wife leave for work, he certainly never dreamed that she would never come home to him and to their young daughter, Alexandra. --- I do not know what faith Zhanetta Tsoy called hers. I do know that in my faith, we believe that by remembering those we have lost to death, that we bring them close to us in spirit. By remembering Zhanetta and the others we lost that day, we bring her and the other nearly 3,000 to us in spirit. They are with us again. And they know that we have not forgotten them.
Juliana Valentine McCourt was a 4-year-old en route to Disneyland
Juliana McCourt was traveling with her mom, Ruth McCourt. Mrs. McCourt’s own brother, Ronnie Clifford, was working at the WTC but escaped just as the plane carrying his sister and niece struck the South Tower.
Juliana McCourt was born on May 4, 1997. She attended dance school, which still honors her to this day. She had no siblings. Juliana adored her fluffy white terrier, Phoebe. She was described as smart, sensitive, beautiful, nurturing like her mom. She never had a first day of Kindergarten. She never made it to Disneyland. The only consolation is that she was comforted by her loving mother during those last awful moments.
Great, WiO, they take out three thousand of our people, and instead of taking the Taliban and Saddam out of power in retaliation we just hit a black meteor in Mecca.
Teresita said... Great, WiO, they take out three thousand of our people, and instead of taking the Taliban and Saddam out of power in retaliation we just hit a black meteor in Mecca.
Yep...
to our enemies that would have meant MUCH MUCH more..
Bin Laden thought that the World Trade Center was America's "Kabaa", the McGuffin propping up our whole system. He made the same error as the Japanese when they hit Pearl Harbor. America is bi-polar. Normally we like to operate as an open and free society which assumes that everyone just wants to get along. Sometimes, we get shocked into a military dicatorship mode that grinds away at attackers (Curtis LeMay, W.T. Sherman) until they are simply gone. No compromises, no terms for surrender. The beauty of our system is that we can flip right back to the normal mode with no ill effects.
Trish's Ranger did that and the Zawahiri hunt in 2003 and 2006, from two different venues, back when, somewhat amusingly, Hillary said the admin had abandoned the effort.
No, they hadn't abandoned the effort. But nor did they want him that badly.
Bin Laden was located in '03, I believe it was, but between the DCI and the SecDef (who had the final say) the bar for action was set impossibly high and the team never went. Zawahiri was located in 06 and we missed him by a hair, obliterating a few of his pals as consolation. (On other occasions the intel was just too iffy to put anyone in. When the SEAL Team Leader asks, "Are you willing to put my guys' lives on the line for your intelligence?" you think reeeaaal hard about it.)
Got some others as well, but my God did everybody want to be on the rotation that bagged the number one or two. And when their deployments were near end they were pushing absolutely everything they had including the kitchen sink just to get 'er done. I'm sure that's not changed.
For all the other successes, it was extremely frustrating.
My act of community service for the community-organizer-in-chief on this anniversary is to remember the heroes of flight 93. May we all be men and women enough to meet our would be executioners with the courage that they displayed.
I'm sure the classified version is far more engaging.
Wanna know what's interesting? It's 2003 and you are sitting right on the AfPak border. You and seven - count 'em: seven - other guys. At night. With fuck-all at your disposal. Because the Marines, God bless their souls, are off doing whatever.
Had the Taliban and/or its deadlier buddies known...
When people scoff at the under-resourcing of the Other War, that picture is the first one that comes to mind.
"The beauty of our system is that we can flip right back to the normal mode with no ill effects." --- The ugliness is how few still believe that. Most any impure action we might take will sully us all for life, in their minds. No better than the enemy.
Northern Israel struck by two-three Katyusha rockets from Lebanon
Israeli forces hit back with artillery fire. The Lebanese 122mm rockets landed on empty ground near the north Israel resort town of Nahariya. Israeli forces directed several artillery rounds at the source of the fire pinpointed by Lebanese forces at Qlaileh south of the Lebanese port of Tyre. There were no immediate reports of Israeli casualties and no claims of responsibility for the rocket fire. Israel complained to UN peacekeepers. Israel scrambled fighter jets and helicopters over South Lebanon after the attack, according to Lebanese sources. The incident occurred after a long period of inactivity from Lebanon apart from isolated attacks since the 2006 Israeli-Hizballah conflict.
Iran & Syria via Hezbollah are celebrating 9.11..
Just yesterday hezbollah turned down 30% of the seats in the Lebanese government, Hariri resigned as PM and now Hezbollah (backed by syria and iran) are going to try to take over lebanon
America gives one billion dollars a year to lebanon in military equipment....
Before heading to Atlanta to begin Shabbat, I want to say how proud I am to be associated with this site and its contributors.
Anyone coming aboard on just about any other day would soon discover that we all have some very strong opinions on all manner of topics. No one here is bashful about bashing. But on this day, a day of remembrance, those personal nits have been put aside in honor of our country and its fallen.
May G-d bless you all; may G-d bless and protect our troops; and may G-d bless the United States of America!
If I don’t get back today, Shabbat Shalom (the peace of the Sabbath) to you all.
May the Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make His face shine upon you and be gracious to you; and may the Lord turn His face toward you and give you peace!
That's a bit like Kim Il Jong assuring his people that he just found a large supply of rice on Mars. You don't go on a binge nationalizing everything and then expect the big players will come in with tens of billions of dollars more to develop deepwater offshore energy reserves.
Hard to believe. 40, 000 casualties. $1 trillion spent. Two wars grind on. All the work of nineteen religious fanatics. Hard to believe.
ReplyDeleteEight years. More ironies than I care to count.
ReplyDeleteWho would have guessed that eight years on, a street organizer from Chicago, the now being there US President, is investigating the CIA for being too rough when they were interrogating the scum that did this to us?
Where is the anger? Where is the outrage? How did this happen to this country of ours?
Want some irony?
ReplyDeleteHow is it that we allow a runt of a man, an Eric Holder, to investigate and terrorize those that worked to find the killers that did this to us?
Who is Eric Holder?
Eric H. Holder, Jr. was born in the The Bronx borough of New York City, to parents with roots in Barbados.
Holder's father, Eric Himpton Holder, Sr. was born in Saint Joseph, Barbados, arrived in the United States when he was eleven.
Holder grew up in East Elmhurst, Queens, and attended public school until the age of 10. When entering the 4th grade he was selected to participate in a program for intellectually-gifted students. He went on to attended Stuyvesant High School in Manhattan and Columbia University in NEW YORK
He played freshman basketball and was co-captain of his team and earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in American history in 1973.
Holder received his J.D. from Columbia Law School, graduating in 1976. He worked for the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund during his first summer and the United States Attorney during his second summer.
President Ronald Reagan appointed Holder to serve on the Bench as a Judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia.
Clinton nominated Holder to be the next Deputy Attorney General under Janet Reno. Holder was confirmed several months later in the Senate by a unanimous vote.
PAY BACKS
Holder was involved with Clinton's last-minute pardon of fugitive and Democratic contributor Marc Rich.
Holder gave Clinton a "neutral, leaning towards favorable" opinion of the pardon.
The reporter Joe Conason contends that Rich's pardon was actually a favor from Clinton to members of the Israeli government, for which Clinton hoped to gain progress in the peace talks between Israel and Palestine.
Holder has expressed some regret over his handling of the Rich pardon, stating "I wish I had done some things differently with regard to the Marc Rich matter. Specifically, I wish that I had ensured that the Department of Justice was more fully informed and involved in this pardon process", and called his own actions a "mistake."
Ironic enough for you yet. There is more.
Holder was also involved in Clinton's decision to reduce the criminal sentences of 16 members of the Boricua Popular Army, an organization that has been categorized by the FBI as a terrorist organization.
ReplyDeleteYou can't make this stuff up.
Holder helped negotiate an agreement with the Justice Department for Chiquita Brands International in a case that involved Chiquita's payment of "protection money" to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, a group on the U.S. government's list of terrorist organizations.
(Imagine the different outcome if the flight crews on those US hijacked planes were armed.)
While D.C. v. Heller was being heard by the Supreme Court in 2008, Holder joined the Reno-led amicus brief, which urged the Supreme Court to uphold Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban and said the position of the Department of Justice, from Franklin Roosevelt through Clinton, was that the Second Amendment does not protect an individual right to keep and bear arms for purposes unrelated to a State’s operation of a well-regulated militia.
Holder favors closing the Guantanamo Bay detention camp.
Holder has said that the detainees are not technically entitled to Geneva Convention protections but he is opposed to the Bush administration's implementation of the Patriot Act, saying it is "bad ultimately for law enforcement and will cost us the support of the American people."
Holder has been critical of Enhanced interrogation techniques and the NSA warrantless surveillance program, accusing the Bush administration of a "disrespect for the rule of law... [that is] not only wrong, it is destructive in our struggle against terrorism."
REPEAT, Holder thinks it is destructive against terrorism.
In June 2009 the Government of Barbados announced that it would begin a project to determine the first 100 Great Barbadians which would be selected among the public of Barbados. At the announcement of the project it was announced that Eric Holder was the first candidate to be nominated toward the final list.
Sources- Wikipedia
It links this to Obama's statement during his Cairo speech to the Muslim world in June:
ReplyDelete"Indeed, faith should bring us together. And that's why we're forging service projects in America to bring together Christians, Muslims, and Jews.
...
The action request says that State Department "posts are encouraged to plan an Interfaith Day of Service to commemorate 9-11 that would send a message of goodwill, cooperation, and shared interest to their host countries and their religious communities." But some of these commemorations will not be on 9-11 itself:
"To accommodate posts in countries where Muslims may be observing Ramadan until/about September 19, posts are requested to plan an Interfaith Day of Service between September 11 and October 18, 2009."
We don't stop bending over backwards to reach out to and accommodate an ideology that is intent upon destroying us. It's insanity.
The Desecration
Blocking The Path To 9-11
ReplyDeleteBe sure to watch the Obama clip beneath the Trailer, in which moron boy President demonstrates that he is ignorant about 93 Trade Towers, 9-11, and the story of KSM.
...naturally, he was not called on it.
The Bohica Popular Army!
ReplyDeleteJeeze, Louise!
Bohica takes Chiquita in the Caboose.
ReplyDeleteTime does not heal all wounds.
ReplyDeleteOn that day, my emotions ran from enraged cursing to inconsolable weeping. Mostly, however, I felt impotent frustration: We knew this was going to happen and we failed.
There are events about which we should say, "NEVER AGAIN"!!!! This was such an event; and we cringed and we blinked and we failed to respond with a TERRIBLE resolve. – “Now, I am become death, destroyer of worlds.”
Friends of Project 2,996
ReplyDeleteImagine the possibilities that a life in America offers to those who work hard. Imagine a beautiful September morning, where a young woman, who left Kazakhstan for her new life, is excited and hurrying to her first day at a new job in a new country. On a crisp, clear September day, the sun shone on Zhanetta Tsoy. The sounds of the city must have been enhanced somewhat that pre-Autumn day that would change the world forever.
Zhanetta , age 32, must have felt a sense of exhilaration as she entered the World Trade Center on her way to her new job as an accountant for Marsh, LLC in New York. She had previously been Chief Accountant of the same company in Almaty, Kazakstan. Her husband said that Zhanetta didn’t want to be late. That day as he saw his wife leave for work, he certainly never dreamed that she would never come home to him and to their young daughter, Alexandra.
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I do not know what faith Zhanetta Tsoy called hers. I do know that in my faith, we believe that by remembering those we have lost to death, that we bring them close to us in spirit. By remembering Zhanetta and the others we lost that day, we bring her and the other nearly 3,000 to us in spirit. They are with us again. And they know that we have not forgotten them.
We will never forget…
Project 2996: Remembering Vicki C. Yancey
ReplyDeleteJuliana Valentine McCourt was a 4-year-old en route to Disneyland
ReplyDeleteJuliana McCourt was traveling with her mom, Ruth McCourt. Mrs. McCourt’s own brother, Ronnie Clifford, was working at the WTC but escaped just as the plane carrying his sister and niece struck the South Tower.
Juliana McCourt was born on May 4, 1997. She attended dance school, which still honors her to this day. She had no siblings. Juliana adored her fluffy white terrier, Phoebe. She was described as smart, sensitive, beautiful, nurturing like her mom. She never had a first day of Kindergarten. She never made it to Disneyland. The only consolation is that she was comforted by her loving mother during those last awful moments.
Friends of Project 2,996
911 - Atlas Shrugs has video MSM will never show
ReplyDeleteRussian Professor Predicts End of U.S. - WSJ.com
ReplyDeleteht - Bob
9-11
ReplyDeleteI remember and say NEVER AGAIN....
America stand tall and proud and to those that seek her destruction?
You shall die....
To those who dont take the threat seriously? Get the hell out of the way..
To the Saudis, to the moslems that cheered this day 8 years ago?
i say FUCK YOU...
I remember....
I will not forget what happened...
No matter what bullcrap is laid down to erase what really happens...
I will remember....
NEVER AGAIN....
Just watched Newsweek's Joe Klein on the Scarborough show. What a phony. What a fraud.
ReplyDeleteThis guy has the intellectual acuity and nimbleness of a sloth.
Maybe he was medicated.
Fox actually is showing 9-11 footage..
ReplyDeleteIf only we had simply just bombed the Kaaba...
Great, WiO, they take out three thousand of our people, and instead of taking the Taliban and Saddam out of power in retaliation we just hit a black meteor in Mecca.
ReplyDeleteTeresita said...
ReplyDeleteGreat, WiO, they take out three thousand of our people, and instead of taking the Taliban and Saddam out of power in retaliation we just hit a black meteor in Mecca.
Yep...
to our enemies that would have meant MUCH MUCH more..
But if you insist...
ReplyDeleteas a supporter of the Iraq war, i still support it, and as for afghanistan?
change the rules of engagement and allow our soldiers to FIRE back when shot at...
but you want to HURT the people that gave us 9.11?
nuke that black rock...
Bin Laden thought that the World Trade Center was America's "Kabaa", the McGuffin propping up our whole system. He made the same error as the Japanese when they hit Pearl Harbor. America is bi-polar. Normally we like to operate as an open and free society which assumes that everyone just wants to get along. Sometimes, we get shocked into a military dicatorship mode that grinds away at attackers (Curtis LeMay, W.T. Sherman) until they are simply gone. No compromises, no terms for surrender. The beauty of our system is that we can flip right back to the normal mode with no ill effects.
ReplyDeleteNo bin Laden.
ReplyDeleteMmmmmmyeah.
Trish's Ranger did that and the Zawahiri hunt in 2003 and 2006, from two different venues, back when, somewhat amusingly, Hillary said the admin had abandoned the effort.
No, they hadn't abandoned the effort. But nor did they want him that badly.
Bin Laden was located in '03, I believe it was, but between the DCI and the SecDef (who had the final say) the bar for action was set impossibly high and the team never went. Zawahiri was located in 06 and we missed him by a hair, obliterating a few of his pals as consolation. (On other occasions the intel was just too iffy to put anyone in. When the SEAL Team Leader asks, "Are you willing to put my guys' lives on the line for your intelligence?" you think reeeaaal hard about it.)
Got some others as well, but my God did everybody want to be on the rotation that bagged the number one or two. And when their deployments were near end they were pushing absolutely everything they had including the kitchen sink just to get 'er done. I'm sure that's not changed.
For all the other successes, it was extremely frustrating.
And we still miss the wicked beard, Sport.
ReplyDeleteThose were the days.
My act of community service for the community-organizer-in-chief on this anniversary is to remember the heroes of flight 93. May we all be men and women enough to meet our would be executioners with the courage that they displayed.
ReplyDeleteHeroes of Flight 93
Interesting Red.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure the classified version is far more engaging.
ReplyDeleteWanna know what's interesting? It's 2003 and you are sitting right on the AfPak border. You and seven - count 'em: seven - other guys. At night. With fuck-all at your disposal. Because the Marines, God bless their souls, are off doing whatever.
Had the Taliban and/or its deadlier buddies known...
When people scoff at the under-resourcing of the Other War, that picture is the first one that comes to mind.
It's so preposterously pathetic you can't help but laugh.
ReplyDelete"The beauty of our system is that we can flip right back to the normal mode with no ill effects."
ReplyDelete---
The ugliness is how few still believe that.
Most any impure action we might take will sully us all for life, in their minds.
No better than the enemy.
Northern Israel struck by two-three Katyusha rockets from Lebanon
ReplyDeleteIsraeli forces hit back with artillery fire. The Lebanese 122mm rockets landed on empty ground near the north Israel resort town of Nahariya. Israeli forces directed several artillery rounds at the source of the fire pinpointed by Lebanese forces at Qlaileh south of the Lebanese port of Tyre. There were no immediate reports of Israeli casualties and no claims of responsibility for the rocket fire. Israel complained to UN peacekeepers.
Israel scrambled fighter jets and helicopters over South Lebanon after the attack, according to Lebanese sources.
The incident occurred after a long period of inactivity from Lebanon apart from isolated attacks since the 2006 Israeli-Hizballah conflict.
Iran & Syria via Hezbollah are celebrating 9.11..
Just yesterday hezbollah turned down 30% of the seats in the Lebanese government, Hariri resigned as PM and now Hezbollah (backed by syria and iran) are going to try to take over lebanon
America gives one billion dollars a year to lebanon in military equipment....
'Blogger 2164th said...
ReplyDeleteHard to believe. 40, 000 casualties. $1 trillion spent. Two wars grind on. All the work of nineteen religious fanatics. Hard to believe."
Weeeellll, it takes two to tango. Don't we have something to do with the outcomes?
see trish's stories for some support.
All the work of nineteen religious fanatics. Hard to believe."
ReplyDeletewell not quite just 19 islamic Jihadists..
throw in saudi arabia, pakistan and afghanistan
throw in a few hundred million in terrorist infrastructure (madrassas)
Before heading to Atlanta to begin Shabbat, I want to say how proud I am to be associated with this site and its contributors.
ReplyDeleteAnyone coming aboard on just about any other day would soon discover that we all have some very strong opinions on all manner of topics. No one here is bashful about bashing. But on this day, a day of remembrance, those personal nits have been put aside in honor of our country and its fallen.
May G-d bless you all; may G-d bless and protect our troops; and may G-d bless the United States of America!
If I don’t get back today, Shabbat Shalom (the peace of the Sabbath) to you all.
Second ACORN location busted teaching a "prostitute" how to evade the law...
ReplyDeleteBut please, ACORN prefers "Sex Care Provider"
Allen
ReplyDeleteMay the Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make His face shine upon you and be gracious to you; and may the Lord turn His face toward you and give you peace!
Sean Linnane TWIN TOWERS 9-11 A First Hand Account - (Conclusion)
ReplyDeleteDo check this out!
Obambi's National Day of Service. You heard of Habitat for Humanity? This is Mosques for Mankind. Voluntary now, mandatory later.
ReplyDeleteHugo Chávez, Venezuela’s combative leftist president, announced a “very large” offshore natural gas find on Friday, which he said would propel the country into the ranks of the world’s biggest gas producers.
ReplyDeleteThat's a bit like Kim Il Jong assuring his people that he just found a large supply of rice on Mars. You don't go on a binge nationalizing everything and then expect the big players will come in with tens of billions of dollars more to develop deepwater offshore energy reserves.
What kind of capabilities do the Chi-Coms have?
ReplyDeleteRuskies must have some vintage Škoda lashups.