tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post8425067825565060962..comments2024-03-28T21:41:52.558-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: Snapshot of a Sick SocietyDeuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger149125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-26816860927086339502011-10-10T08:31:18.264-04:002011-10-10T08:31:18.264-04:00Incredible and Informative Post..Thanks For sharin...Incredible and Informative Post..Thanks For sharing. I am seriously impressed right now..<a href="www.gate.net.sa/" rel="nofollow"> Gate Factory </a>mattshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17147039500316029112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-44095084325307390762011-09-25T04:22:31.296-04:002011-09-25T04:22:31.296-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.linearthinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05201292791445921817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-11496704880700807632011-09-24T20:30:45.861-04:002011-09-24T20:30:45.861-04:00If it's painful when you stream,
see a doc.
P...If it's painful when you stream,<br />see a doc.<br /><br />Probly nothin serious, but you never know.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-13540417832700033232011-09-24T20:29:26.372-04:002011-09-24T20:29:26.372-04:00I'm computer illiterate and wouldn't know ...I'm computer illiterate and wouldn't know how to put up a stream anyway.<br /><br />It's painful to admit that I can't do something that Doug doesn't seem to have a problem with.<br /><br />---<br /><br />You just hold it up and let fly.<br /><br />If Wifey is around, best to do it outside.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-44095607748404753042011-09-24T20:23:08.346-04:002011-09-24T20:23:08.346-04:00Quirk said...
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You're talking Apples, and O...Quirk said... <br />.<br /><br />You're talking Apples, and Oranges.<br /><br />No. I'm not.<br /><br />I started out agreeing with you that we could use more IT training in school.<br /><br />---<br /><br />Look at my fastest growing companies link above.<br /><br />Apple still rules,<br />and Apples are fine for school.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-56054192080612904072011-09-24T20:19:52.710-04:002011-09-24T20:19:52.710-04:00Yeah,
Starting @ age 6 !Yeah,<br />Starting @ age 6 !Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-89643188165802080522011-09-24T16:37:22.841-04:002011-09-24T16:37:22.841-04:00No, Q, I'm saying drop the bullshit required F...No, Q, I'm saying drop the bullshit required Foreign Language (keep it as an elective for the College-bound,) and substitute Computer Language/Programming, etc.<br /><br />Have you seen the unemployment rates for "high school graduates" (no college?) They're astronomical. Add in the "part-time for economic reasons" and you're probably at around 25%.<br /><br />Once they've left high school you've lost them. You've gotta get'em while they're there, and the "gittin's good."Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-51695274902279374552011-09-24T15:34:16.063-04:002011-09-24T15:34:16.063-04:00But, if you try to tell him that he needs to know ...<i>But, if you try to tell him that he needs to know Aegean History as it pertains to Greek Myth in order to make the lever move he'll cry "Bullshit" on you, and go back to what he's doing.</i><br /><br /><br />As far as I know mythology is not a course offered in many high schools. U.S. History and that of Western Civilization are or at least should be.<br /><br />You are not trying to socialize kids so they can be absorbed into our culture. You merely suggest we should create a group of automatons that can function.<br /><br />I say offer the kids that want it IT. However, don't deny the kids that want to improve their lives the benefits of a liberal education.<br /><br />Maybe what you should be suggesting is a major increase in occupational training for those kids who drop out of high schools and need a job.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-21531147057834111412011-09-24T14:49:23.441-04:002011-09-24T14:49:23.441-04:00Young people could give a shit how old people'...Young people could give a shit how old people's culture developed. They are the ones creating "New" Culture, and they know it.<br /><br />Remember, we're talking about the 60+% of guys that Know they're not going to go to College, much less graduate.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-35521205759500077272011-09-24T14:46:31.603-04:002011-09-24T14:46:31.603-04:00Okay, I'm going to back up, and agree with you...Okay, I'm going to back up, and agree with you here. <br /><br />BUT, I'm saying that, "If you can convince the young man (hoodlum, whatever) that he can get a job doing interesting stuff, but he has to qualify in some of these more <i>non-intuitively important</i> areas along the way, he will do it."<br /><br />But, if you try to tell him that he needs to know Aegean History as it pertains to Greek Myth in order to make the lever move he'll cry "Bullshit" on you, and go back to what he's doing.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-65050654239654207112011-09-24T14:20:32.999-04:002011-09-24T14:20:32.999-04:00.
You're talking Apples, and Oranges.
No. I....<br /><br /><i>You're talking Apples, and Oranges.</i><br /><br />No. I'm not.<br /><br />I started out agreeing with you that we could use more IT training in school.<br /><br />Where I disagreed with you is with your downgrading of the importance of students aquiring basic knowledge in HS; math, science, logic, etc. I would even take it further and say that they need training in subjects like history and language, things that will give them some understanding of how our country and culture developed.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-68339408229641570432011-09-24T14:12:54.573-04:002011-09-24T14:12:54.573-04:00meant to say "high degree of math And/Or Scie...meant to say "high degree of math And/Or Science."Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-79152907219073959632011-09-24T14:10:33.253-04:002011-09-24T14:10:33.253-04:00I didn't say that "critical thinkers"...I didn't say that "critical thinkers" had to be born "high IQ," Q. :) Although that probably helps.<br /><br />Many "genii" are considered very "intuitive" people. All intuitive people aren't genii. You're talking Apples, and Oranges.<br /><br />If I need employees to work on a robotized assembly line, and those with the specific, or closely related skills don't walk through the door, I would settle for someone who has mastered a high degree of math. They would seem to be the ones most likely to be trainable.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-71108045877455274162011-09-24T14:07:49.607-04:002011-09-24T14:07:49.607-04:00.
When someone bemoans the lack of a "ration....<br /><br /><i>When someone bemoans the lack of a "rational industrial/energy policy," what they are really saying is they want one with which They Agree.</i><br /><br /><br />Of course.<br /><br />That's why I amended to say a rational industrial policy.<br /><br />:)<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-57692112456884576242011-09-24T14:01:37.555-04:002011-09-24T14:01:37.555-04:00Or, at least, teach the machine how to make minor ...Or, at least, teach the machine how to make minor adjustments.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-3266391189904262942011-09-24T14:00:51.738-04:002011-09-24T14:00:51.738-04:00.
Q, those people that have the "skills"....<br /><br /><i>Q, those people that have the "skills" of logic, and "critical thinking" were born with them.</i><br /><br />I totally disagree with you. We see people every day who are intelligent (going by an IQ test probably highly intelligent) who when offering a solution to a problem finds it difficult to walk their way from A to B.<br /><br />They can be trained to eliminate the non-essential and the symptoms in order to get to the root cause of a problem.<br /><br />In addition to IT training, those who complain there is not a qualified workforce in the US for available jobs also mention Science and Math two subjects in which you cannot just push a button and watch it go.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-72157201955543106092011-09-24T14:00:27.732-04:002011-09-24T14:00:27.732-04:00If you could contribute to a team designing a vide...If you could contribute to a team designing a video game you could teach a machine how to put a door on a car on the Ford Assembly line.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-80544866907051104562011-09-24T13:58:21.768-04:002011-09-24T13:58:21.768-04:00Those video game creation skills will be transfera...Those video game creation skills will be transferable to most of the decent jobs of the future, Q.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-28659857597435748802011-09-24T13:52:45.332-04:002011-09-24T13:52:45.332-04:00.
That's the point, Q. There's money in t....<br /><br /><i>That's the point, Q. There's money in that.</i><br /><br />Not sure which post this was responding to. If it was with regard to the Facebook and games all I can ask is how many jobs are we talking?<br /><br />We are looking for millions of jobs. Hundreds, even thousands, are nice but don't come near touching our problems.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-36803783351460953852011-09-24T13:51:26.136-04:002011-09-24T13:51:26.136-04:00When someone bemoans the lack of a "rational ...When someone bemoans the lack of a "rational industrial/energy policy," what they are really saying is they want one with which They Agree.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-3110231599476697242011-09-24T13:49:45.483-04:002011-09-24T13:49:45.483-04:00Q, those people that have the "skills" o...Q, those people that have the "skills" of logic, and "critical thinking" were born with them.<br /><br />And, honestly, many of those that harp the most about "critical thinking," and "logic," seem to be some of the most impaired in that regard.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-5156141775640216022011-09-24T13:48:06.541-04:002011-09-24T13:48:06.541-04:00.
US industrial policy is enveloped in the Tax Co....<br /><br /><i>US industrial policy is enveloped in the Tax Code, Q.</i><br /><br />Obviously, you are right rat.<br /><br />What I should have said was that "I have argued that the US needs to develop a rational industiral policy."<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-21620795485503640952011-09-24T13:46:46.050-04:002011-09-24T13:46:46.050-04:00That's the point, Q. There's money in tha...That's the point, Q. There's money in that. Why not teach it to them. Besides, the skills are transferable.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-38220090055478929912011-09-24T13:45:09.096-04:002011-09-24T13:45:09.096-04:00.
Aww, Q; you can't teach a kid "how to ....<br /><br /><i>Aww, Q; you can't teach a kid "how to think." That's like saying "you can teach IQ."</i><br /><br />Nonsense.<br /><br />You can force them to think through curriculum. Over time it becomes second nature to them.<br /><br />We have seen the results in our own economy as people are forced out of the ocupations they were trained for either through technology or globalization. Job skills can disappear rapidly when you are out of a job. But you don't lose the skills of logic and critical thinking once you have them.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-35971715689097600742011-09-24T13:44:25.068-04:002011-09-24T13:44:25.068-04:00Hell, I'm in the same boat. I've never po...Hell, I'm in the same boat. I've never posted, or edited anything, either. I, also, wouldn't know how; and, I figure, if Deuce wanted one of my ideas posted he'd put it up.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.com