tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post7307742282041821301..comments2024-03-28T06:32:24.557-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: When will the thrashing stop?Deuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger124125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-21657164034154154892011-09-23T16:51:23.315-04:002011-09-23T16:51:23.315-04:00Teresita said...
I don't love... and what the ...Teresita said...<br />I don't love... and what the IDF did to the USS Liberty...<br /><br /><br />This may come as a shock, but neither do I. The difference is I do not attribute it to malice. <br /><br />At about the same tine the USS Liberty was being attacked mistakenly by Israel, the 1st Battalion, Ninth Marines (about 800 strong) would suffer 93<br />% killed quite maliciously by an enemy that was permitted sanctuary some 2-10 miles away. <br /><br />About 750 Marines died because AMERICAN politicians and officers lied. You want to get your knickers in a knot, think about that for a minute. <br /><br />I know Israelis who know more than anyone here will ever know about the Liberty. I KNEW a bunch of those kids in 1/9. You don't know squat.<br /><br />Give it a break!allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15605114251615293411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-24271567470207311662011-09-23T14:54:09.921-04:002011-09-23T14:54:09.921-04:00.
I meant nothing pejorative about it Quirk - the....<br /><br /><i>I meant nothing pejorative about it Quirk - the logic is simple:</i><br /><br />And I meant nothing pejorative in my post. I merely posed a question and some comments that were tangientially related to Logos' post.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-81721559884134504192011-09-23T13:31:34.389-04:002011-09-23T13:31:34.389-04:00We just don't know, do we Ash<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNCYZbY--i0" rel="nofollow"> We just don't know, do we Ash</a>Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-54507805260742330502011-09-23T13:27:23.980-04:002011-09-23T13:27:23.980-04:00no Deuce what determines the racism question is th...no Deuce what determines the racism question is the answer to this question that you asked:<br /><br />"What else do they have in common that differentiates them from the general population?"<br /><br />If your answer is "nothing other than black" then presto. I'm curious, Deuce, are Jews better suited to be doctors and Blacks better suited to be criminals?Ashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16688752302081088907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-88594328085607914602011-09-23T13:20:34.840-04:002011-09-23T13:20:34.840-04:00Let me see. If I notice that most sprinters are bl...Let me see. If I notice that most sprinters are black and that most NBA ball players are black am I to conclude that blacks make better sprinters and basketball players? Is that racist? <br /><br />If I notice that Jews are overwhelmingly disproportionately represented in science, medicine and the arts, can I draw the conclusion that as a group they are more intelligent that other groups?<br /><br />Without a philosophical high wire act, one could conclude that the physical attributes of one group makes them better suited for intellectual pursuits, another group is better suited for sprinting and basketball.<br /><br />Now for the doctrinaire liberal test: Let's put a team of Jewish doctors up against LA Lakers and then let's have the LA Lakers take an AST exam. who are you betting on Ash?<br /><br />Intellectual and criminal pursuits are controlled by the human brain as is sprinting and basketball. Legs and coordination are other physical attributes. By definition, one group being better suited for one thing means that another group is less well suited. That is the way it is.<br /><br />I said young black males, with a population of less than 3% of the US total commit 60% of violent crimes. that is a fact. You attribute my noticing that to racism. That is your hangup, not mine.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-38313461384952409112011-09-23T12:56:02.482-04:002011-09-23T12:56:02.482-04:00I meant nothing pejorative about it Quirk - the lo...I meant nothing pejorative about it Quirk - the logic is simple:<br /><br />rac·ism (r s z m) n. 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.<br /><br />If, as Deuce appears to assert, that being of the race 'black' is the cause of the high crime rate (as opposed to the other reasons suggested by Rat) then it follows that one is racist (assuming you think that high crime rate connotes inferior behavior).<br /><br />If that is truly his belief he should wear the moniker proudly as opposed to claiming that he is not racist.Ashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16688752302081088907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-28119423097759071292011-09-23T12:54:24.996-04:002011-09-23T12:54:24.996-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16688752302081088907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-63361827485845758432011-09-23T12:52:25.242-04:002011-09-23T12:52:25.242-04:00I thought that was kind of catchy, rather than reu...I thought that was kind of catchy, rather than reusing the "Shining City on a Hill" line.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-65232899258088996122011-09-23T12:44:27.349-04:002011-09-23T12:44:27.349-04:00.
That we continue to press forward, carrying the....<br /><br /><i>That we continue to press forward, carrying the bright light of the Enlightenment, highly.</i><br /><br />The term nitwit comes to mind.<br /><br />However, based on my previous post, I am trying to clean up my act and come up with a more logical argument.<br /><br />Unfortunately, I will have to get back to you once I have come up with a more appropriate term.<br /><br />:)<br /><br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-87821861394904943532011-09-23T12:40:32.874-04:002011-09-23T12:40:32.874-04:00.
You might fare better arguing that there is not....<br /><br /><i>You might fare better arguing that there is nothing wrong with being a racist.</i><br /><br /><br />Why argue about racism at all? Or being a bigot, or an anti-semite. In one sense, I agree with logos. There is little point in calling someone any of these terms.<br /><br />Each individual will make their own determination about whether racism or bigotry are factors in another person's position. Verbalizing that belief proves nothing. <br /><br />The obvious use of the terms racist, bigot, or anti-semite is an ad hominem attack meant to discredit the other person argument. It is a logical fallacy, a red herring meant to stir emotion.<br /><br />The logical approach would be to attack the persons arguments not his motivations. In the case of a true racist or bigot, that is usually pretty easy as they themselves usual put forward irrational assertions or numbers that are easily challenged.<br /><br />Continuing to throw around these terms while offering no proof of their validity merely gives the impression that the accuser himself is merely a race baiter.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-55922642505977746302011-09-23T12:36:35.439-04:002011-09-23T12:36:35.439-04:00It is not that I applaud it, Q, but I certainly re...It is not that I applaud it, Q, but I certainly recognize the reality of it.<br /><br />I recognize that we are on a path to Continental integration. <br /><br />I certainly applaud the idea that the American Revolution continues.<br />That we continue to press forward, carrying the bright light of the Enlightenment, highly. <br /><br />Secure in the knowledge that all men are created equal and that they are endowed with inalienable rights.<br /><br />Viva la Revolution!desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-8990641797512272932011-09-23T12:28:17.747-04:002011-09-23T12:28:17.747-04:00What you do in Mexico is take out the drug lords&#...What you do in Mexico is take out the drug lords' nice stuff (mansions, Lear jets) with Predator drones. Where's the fun in buying stuff if you can't keep it?Teresitanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-5783543902598624052011-09-23T12:27:32.661-04:002011-09-23T12:27:32.661-04:00With regards the crime rates and race/ethnicity.
...With regards the crime rates and race/ethnicity.<br /><br />From the immigration debate there was a visible correlation between increased crime rates caused by that segment of society seemingly mired in poverty and lack of economic opportunity.<br /><br />Where the Irish congregated, crime increased. Same was true of Italians when their turn came.<br /><br />Now, rather than immigrants, it is the "Blacks" that fill that segment of society that is adversely effected by the realities of poor education and limited economic opportunity.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-41385030305651548912011-09-23T12:13:46.069-04:002011-09-23T12:13:46.069-04:00.
While the State Department says:
The U.S. was o....<br /><br /><i>While the State Department says:<br />The U.S. was once again the largest foreign investor in Mexico, accounting for 45% ($6.4 billion FDI from the U.S.) of reported FDI</i>.<br /><br /><br />Nothing new here. You speak of comparisons between 1910-1920 and now. In 1910, the Mexican revolution started in response to the government confiscating land and cowtowing to foreigners' business interests, especially those of the US. A fifth of the land in Mexico was owned by foreigners with the US holding the biggest share.<br /><br />Back then, like Obama with the 'Arab Spring', the US was against the revolution before they were for it.<br /><br />You applaud the US getting involved and taking over Mexican intelligence operations. I don't.<br /><br />I suspect the boys in OZ will manage to screw up Mexico as much as they have the US.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-52673909038173119832011-09-23T12:05:20.280-04:002011-09-23T12:05:20.280-04:00Belgium Area:
total: 30,528 sq km
10 ten million f...Belgium Area:<br />total: 30,528 sq km<br />10 ten million folk.<br /><br />Israel<br />total: 20,770 sq km<br />10 million folk.<br /><br />Singapore, under 1,000 sq km<br />4 million folk, a classic City-State.<br /><br />In Belgium and Singapore, a homogenous population. <br />Culturally attuned.<br /><br />Neither a nation of immigrants.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-24251033330297550972011-09-23T11:58:33.996-04:002011-09-23T11:58:33.996-04:00So you are asserting that their race is the cause ...So you are asserting that their race is the cause then, right? By definition that makes you a racist. You might fare better arguing that there is nothing wrong with being a racist.Ashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16688752302081088907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-33854412941347433112011-09-23T11:56:43.183-04:002011-09-23T11:56:43.183-04:00What are you afraid of?What are you afraid of?Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-55491907768601818302011-09-23T11:56:21.918-04:002011-09-23T11:56:21.918-04:00Ash: That is all fine and dandy but what makes one...Ash: <i>That is all fine and dandy but what makes one racist is to take statistics like you cite and draw the conclusion that it is because of their race - i.e. they can't help it because they are black.</i><br /><br />What else do they have in common that differentiates them from the general population?<br /><br />it is a statistical anomaly? Why doesn't any other sub group fall into the same category in the same numbers?<br /><br />Why do you deny the obvious?Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-87779175289523432342011-09-23T11:56:15.409-04:002011-09-23T11:56:15.409-04:00Gaza is the size of Scottsdale, AZ.
The Whole of I...Gaza is the size of Scottsdale, AZ.<br />The Whole of Israel, including the occupied territories is the size of Maricopa County.<br /><br />One State, perhaps, but two, not a chance.<br /><br />The limited resources back dual administration impossible. It makes a "fair" distribution of those resources impossible.<br /><br />One State, perhaps.<br />The Israeli and Palestinians, complete with the "Right of Return" for the Arab refugees and their descendents from 1942, could form a democratic State, but whether or not it'd be "Jewish", is doubtful.<br /><br />Whether it was called Palestine or Israel, problematic. <br />The meaning of being a Palestinian, an ever evolving thing.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-8977021807756650802011-09-23T11:49:31.625-04:002011-09-23T11:49:31.625-04:00What Bravo Sierra.There is a difference between ca...What Bravo Sierra.There is a difference between candor and hate. What is hate speech anyway other than a stupid term that attempts to stop people speaking/writing freely. If someone says something hateful to me, so what! What goes round comes round.<br /><br />We live in the tyranny of the offended feeling.Logoshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-72395312847916728052011-09-23T11:48:20.419-04:002011-09-23T11:48:20.419-04:00The toll would be lower, if the Federales turn a b...The toll would be lower, if the Federales turn a blind eye to the contrabandistas, Q.<br /><br />If the entire country was corrupt, the Army would not be pursuing the miscreants.<br /><br />Look to Colombia, where violence certainly peaked, before it diminished.<br />The Mexicans are tracking that same path.<br /><br />The majority of the 40,000 dead were either cartel members, migrants from further south, police and media people. <br /><br />That US policies with regards to drugs and immigration are causing "trouble" in Mexico, true enough.<br /><br />The idea that the US is not addressing those challenges created by it's policies, false.<br /><br />Yhe US is fully engaged, in Mexico, on both the governmental and commercial fronts.<br /><br />Remittances to Mexico run $21 billion per year.<br /><br />While the State Department says:<br /><i><b>The U.S. was once again the largest foreign investor in Mexico, accounting for 45% ($6.4 billion FDI from the U.S.) of reported FDI</b></i>desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-52278627808784088582011-09-23T11:47:52.285-04:002011-09-23T11:47:52.285-04:00"Right, 40,000 dead. One can only imagine the..."<i>Right, 40,000 dead. One can only imagine the toll if they weren't doing such a bang-up job.</i>"<br /><br />We're going to frame it as outdoing Obama's post-natal abortion birth control.<br /><br />Very late term population control.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-72781603268213456582011-09-23T11:43:50.734-04:002011-09-23T11:43:50.734-04:00eh, Belgium not Brussels...eh, Belgium not Brussels...Ashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16688752302081088907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-11303259175097314512011-09-23T11:43:44.259-04:002011-09-23T11:43:44.259-04:00Singapore !Singapore !Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-20570574552666412112011-09-23T11:41:51.325-04:002011-09-23T11:41:51.325-04:00It is entirely possible to have a
"small sta...It is entirely possible to have a <br />"small state" Brussels, Luxemburg and Monaco immediately spring to mind.Ashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16688752302081088907noreply@blogger.com