tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post7188534508390357655..comments2024-03-28T06:32:24.557-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: Here is hoping it gets lonely for the loathsome GOPDeuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger198125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-22933529224801045742015-01-24T09:16:31.396-05:002015-01-24T09:16:31.396-05:00.
Once again, Obumble, you play the fool.
I don&....<br /><br />Once again, Obumble, you play the fool.<br /><br />I don't think I am a moral absolutist though what that would have to do with intervening in some warring state in the ME I haven't a clue. And just to be clear, my objections to US intervention in other countries are related to military interventions not humanitarian interventions, and by that I mean food, medicine, clothing, etc, not the euphemistic 'humanitarian interventions' we invent as excuse for military intervention.<br /><br />My objection to US intervention in the ME (or anywhere) is based not on lack of charity but rather on pragmatism. We have simply proven ourselves incompetent in our attempts to do so. All one has to do is look at US interventions over the past couple decades to see the effects of that intervention. Although the facts are obvious, you apparently remain confused.<br /><br />Wherever we go we end up 'burning the town to save it'. Look at Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and now Iraq again. Wherever we have gone death and destruction follow all at a high price. Of the people we have gone to save, hundreds of thousands killed, millions turned into refugees, towns and infrastructure destroyed, $trillions wasted, the governments we leave behind as corrupt and incompetent as the ones they replaced. Today, we brag about 'and not one American killed' but we don't talk about the destruction we leave behind. When IS is finally kicked out of Kobane all that will be left is a rubble heap, it already is, yet we will brag that it was a great victory. The 200,000 refugees who fled will be left to pound sand in some refugee camp in Turkey. Look for the same to happen in Mosul when that action begins.<br /><br />Quirk's anti-humanitarian views? Good lord, you dolt. If you had an ounce of empathy and could think you would realize the opportunity costs lost through these interventions, you would realize what a few $trillion could do to improve the lives of people around the world rather than to destroy them. Look at the small cost and effectiveness of our intervention during the Ebola crisis in Africa. We should stick to the things we are good at.<br /><br />Military intervention? CAR, Libya, Nigeria, Congo, Kurdistan, a dozen more. What's next?<br /><br />Bob, get off this act. You continue to embarrass yourself.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-41380712590572645772015-01-24T00:52:04.256-05:002015-01-24T00:52:04.256-05:00Mark Weiss = Jack HawkinsMark Weiss = Jack HawkinsBobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-69632985546244799992015-01-24T00:49:38.473-05:002015-01-24T00:49:38.473-05:00I should add I've since been confused by the m...I should add I've since been confused by the moral absolutist Quirk and his opposition to any humanitarian interventions.<br /><br />I don't quite understand his outlook.<br /><br />A moral absolutist would think, I presume, that all human lives have something of an equal value. Perhaps he thinks the human race has, though, absolutely no responsibility toward one another.<br /><br />I have no idea. Quirk I often have trouble following, to be honest.<br /><br />The last I heard he was heading off to, by golly I think it may have been Syria, to put things to right himself.<br /><br />But that's Quirk for ya !<br /><br />Noble and self sacrificing to the end.Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-60058772694772679642015-01-24T00:37:12.284-05:002015-01-24T00:37:12.284-05:00But you see, rat-o, I didn't advocate the '...But you see, rat-o, I didn't advocate the 'invasion' of Iraq. Your own words betray you. I do think I may have said once I'd carpet bomb the whole goddamned place than put American troops back in there.<br /><br />Once, I was playing around with the idea of on humanitarian grounds putting some US troops in Syria to keep the warring parties apart but was taken to wood shed for the mere thought of trying to save some hundreds of thousands of human lives by Quirk, so I immediately desisted. <br /><br />Quirk may be mostly right on his anti-humanitarian concerns. There are a lot of places that could use a humanitarian intervention. Nigeria comes to mind immediately, another country richly deserving of being split up. But what the hell, let them all kill each other. I would definitely begin supporting the Christian portion of Nigeria with arms and such if I were Boss.<br /><br />Yup, on long term national interest grounds I would support the Kurdish desire for an independent state. Whether some US and NATO troops would be required to help secure the borders is a question to which I don't know the answer. Other means might suffice.<br /><br />Your 'rat doctrine' puts US air personnel at risk. And so far has been totally ineffective.<br /><br />You claim to have had a good old time leading a death squad (but I didn't kill anyone myself !) in Central America so I don't your criticisms seriously.<br /><br />Additionally you never manage to rise to the basic ethical position of financially supporting your own children.<br /><br />So, go fuck yourself. Just don't fuck anyone else, lest a pregnancy ensue, and another hapless abandoned child be brought into the world.<br /><br /><br /><br />Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-641758361601563162015-01-24T00:02:45.975-05:002015-01-24T00:02:45.975-05:00Sheldon, he works for Charlie Chi-com, too, in Mac...Sheldon, he works for Charlie Chi-com, too, in Macao.<br /><br />That Chinese payola sure flowsJack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-30589089917315528562015-01-23T23:58:49.923-05:002015-01-23T23:58:49.923-05:00US billionaire Sheldon Adelson, a key financial ba...US billionaire Sheldon Adelson, a key financial backer of the Republican party, also owns the free Israeli daily Yisrael Hayom, a mouthpiece for Mr Netanyahu.<br /><br />...<br /><br />Israeli analysts warned that Mr Netanyahu was endangering the country’s close ties with the US.<br /><br /><i><b>“In close to six years as prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu harmed, weakened and finally destroyed the interpersonal channel [with the US president] and created an unprecedented rift in the relations between president and prime minister,”</b></i> wrote Alon Pinkas, who served as Israel’s consul-general in New York.<i><b> “But Binyamin Netanyahu, despite his attempts to appear as such, is not the Republican senator from West Jerusalem. He is the prime minister of Israel.” </b></i><br /><br />http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/white-house-snub-of-netanyahu-further-sours-us-israel-relations-1.2077796Mark Weisshttp://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/white-house-snub-of-netanyahu-further-sours-us-israel-relations-1.2077796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-9368364396050754022015-01-23T23:54:38.005-05:002015-01-23T23:54:38.005-05:00Mass Death of Seabirds in Western U.S. Is 'Unp...<a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/01/150123-seabirds-mass-die-off-auklet-california-animals-environment/" rel="nofollow"><br />Mass Death of Seabirds in Western U.S. Is 'Unprecedented'</a><b><i><br />Why are so many auklets, from California to Canada, starving?</i></b><br /><br />http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/01/150123-seabirds-mass-die-off-auklet-california-animals-environment/<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-74678530770767142892015-01-23T23:48:22.339-05:002015-01-23T23:48:22.339-05:00Oh, wait ...
You agreed, on a personal level with ...Oh, wait ...<br />You agreed, on a personal level with LBJ, back in the day<br /><br /><i>BobSun Jun 22, 01:42:00 PM EDT<br /><br />When did I ever say I was a scholar??<br /><br />I don't recall saying that.<br /><br />I have a college degree in English Lit. from U of Washington.<br /><br /><b>To avoid being drafted</b> in part. ...</i><br /><br /><br />Why send your betters when you would not partake in the adventure, yourself?Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-44468901235115762142015-01-23T23:46:10.954-05:002015-01-23T23:46:10.954-05:00How many wives would you widow?
Sons and daughters...How many wives would you widow?<br />Sons and daughters orphaned?<br /><br />Would 50,000 deaths be enough to satisfy your blood lust?<br /><br /><i>We are not about to send American boys 9 or 10 thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves.</i><br />- Lyndon B. Johnson <br /><br />Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-20659562860788779282015-01-23T23:43:23.545-05:002015-01-23T23:43:23.545-05:00I mean, really, Robert "Draft Dodger" Pe...I mean, really, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, you were so incensed when <b>four</b> of US died in Benghazi ...<br />How many would have to die before you felt the same way about Kurdistan as you do about Benghazi?<br /><br />Would you feel the same way if four of US died in Iraq, or when the body count reached forty or four hundred?<br />We lost over 4,000 the last time we invaded and occupied Iraq, how many US deaths would you find acceptable in the next round ?<br /><br />Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-31127561440984442092015-01-23T23:20:15.986-05:002015-01-23T23:20:15.986-05:00How many more of US would YOU sentence to a life o...<i>How many more of US would<b> YOU</b> sentence to a life of an invalid?</i>Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-30895628990869191592015-01-23T23:19:24.421-05:002015-01-23T23:19:24.421-05:00How many more of US would sentence to a life of an...How many more of US would sentence to a life of an invalid?<br />How many more of US should be maimed and disfigured, while you read poetry ?Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-85077029248863050002015-01-23T23:13:28.405-05:002015-01-23T23:13:28.405-05:00What is your "Stop Loss" number?
How man...What is your "Stop Loss" number?<br />How many more of US should die in Iraq?<br /><br />Using 'Stop Loss' in this manner ...<br /><i>A stop-loss is designed to limit loss on a security position. </i><br /><br />How many more, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson should the US sacrifice in Iraq, how many more of US?Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-51018787822591568092015-01-23T23:08:39.727-05:002015-01-23T23:08:39.727-05:00How many US troops would you sacrifice, Robert &qu...How many US troops would you sacrifice, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, to protect those Kurdish 'Clit Clippers from their Muslim brethren?Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-81961391611493341282015-01-23T23:00:02.621-05:002015-01-23T23:00:02.621-05:00It what we were saying a couple months ago, when y...It what we were saying a couple months ago, when you were advocating 'Carpet Bombing" and the invasion of Iraq.<br /><br />It was true then, it remains true today, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson.<br />You desire for 'instant gratification' is just a symptom of your ignorance.Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-81055084789067274962015-01-23T22:48:47.628-05:002015-01-23T22:48:47.628-05:00>>>The Journal quoted Austin as saying th...>>>The Journal quoted Austin as saying that Iraqi forces must be ready before the offensive could begin.<<<<br /><br />This is the kind of insightful military genius we have come to expect from rat ass and Rufus.Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-17411688847987990952015-01-23T22:48:01.553-05:002015-01-23T22:48:01.553-05:00..rat dominates your mind of mush, what's left of it.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-57772616908916244782015-01-23T22:46:45.338-05:002015-01-23T22:46:45.338-05:00The Kurds, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterso...The Kurds, Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson are Sunni, too.<br /><br />Would you still have US troops die to protect those 'Clit Clipping' Kurds?<br /><br /><i><b>The discovery of widespread FGM in Iraqi Kurdistan</b> suggests the assumption to be incorrect that FGM is primarily an African phenomenon with only marginal occurrence in the eastern Islamic world.<b> FGM is practiced at a rate of nearly 60 percent by Iraqi Kurds</b>, then how prevalent is the practice in neighboring Syria where living conditions and cultural and religious practices are comparable?</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.meforum.org/1629/is-female-genital-mutilation-an-islamic-problem" rel="nofollow">Why should a single US soldier die to protect this horrid cultural practice, </a><br />Answer US that Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson<br />Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-65390194666496744972015-01-23T22:40:09.556-05:002015-01-23T22:40:09.556-05:00The Battle of Mosul is on the Horizon
Preparation...<a href="http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/us-and-iraq-planning-strike-to-reclaim-mosul-from-islamic-state-30930784.html" rel="nofollow">The Battle of Mosul is on the Horizon</a><br /><br /><i>Preparations include selecting and training military units for the planned assault and cutting supply lines to Islamic State fighters, General Lloyd Austin, head of the U.S. military's Central Command, told the Journal.<br /><br />Mosul is the largest city in a self-declared Islamic State caliphate straddling the border between northern Iraq and eastern Syria.<br /><br />A senior Iraqi official told Reuters in November that Mosul was the focus of government efforts to defeat Islamic State, because of the city's size and symbolic status.<br /><br />The U.S.-led forces have been conducting air strikes against Islamic State targets in Iraq and Syria, including 16 since Wednesday that were centered on Mosul.<br /><br />The Journal quoted Austin as saying that Iraqi forces must be ready before the offensive could begin.<br /><br /><b>"If we did things alone or with some of the other allies on the ground, it could move faster,"</b> he told the newspaper.<b><br /> "But the Iraqis have to do this themselves."</b></i>Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-30331392826795702082015-01-23T22:35:02.557-05:002015-01-23T22:35:02.557-05:00Gee, Criminal rat and dead beat dad, you're br...Gee, Criminal rat and dead beat dad, you're brilliant.Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-49575940288650617852015-01-23T22:32:13.822-05:002015-01-23T22:32:13.822-05:00>>>Per capita, Louisiana is the most corr...>>>Per capita, Louisiana is the most corrupt state, followed by Mississippi. New York drops to No. 11 on the list, and California falls to 34th. The least corrupt states are Washington and Oregon.<<<<br /><br />Ranking the states by corruption -<br /><br />http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ranking-the-states-from-most-to-least-corrupt/<br /><br /><br />Louisiana and Mississippi - it may come from eating alligator brains in 'local religious ceremonies'.Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-14999962842569195432015-01-23T22:31:12.050-05:002015-01-23T22:31:12.050-05:00While "O"rdure proves that Reuven Rivlin...While "O"rdure proves that Reuven Rivlin, President of Israel, is right.<br /><br /><i><b>“I’m not asking if they’ve forgotten how to be Jews, but if they’ve forgotten how to be decent human beings. <br />Have they forgotten how to converse?” </b></i><br />- Reuven Rivlin, President of Israel<br /><br /><br />Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-4624619154171987412015-01-23T22:29:27.771-05:002015-01-23T22:29:27.771-05:00.
Want to place a bet on how it turns out?
I don....<br /><br /><i>Want to place a bet on how it turns out?</i><br /><br />I don't need a trenching plow.<br /><br />Before you start betting, you probably should do a little reading and find out who carries the weight amongst the Kurds and what they are looking for their future to be. It would help if you understood the difference between a nation and a state.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-50353554078815765312015-01-23T22:29:13.182-05:002015-01-23T22:29:13.182-05:00MONROVIA (Reuters) - Liberia, once the epicenter o...MONROVIA (Reuters) - Liberia, once the epicenter of West Africa's deadly Ebola epidemic, has just five remaining confirmed cases of the disease, a senior health official said on Friday, highlighting the country's success in halting new infections.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-56944319572520426442015-01-23T22:28:35.053-05:002015-01-23T22:28:35.053-05:00Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, did your...Robert "Draft Dodger" Peterson, did your mother not tell you ...<br /><i>If you don't have something nice to say, keep your fucking pie hole shut?</i><br /><br />Probably not, because if she had, your stupidity would not be legend.Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.com