tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post7044416296404339747..comments2024-03-28T06:32:24.557-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: As Texas Congressman and former Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has often said, when we aren't trying to bomb countries into submission, we are usually bribing them to do our will. And sometimes we do both.Deuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-18486384024353222682012-12-06T11:38:04.313-05:002012-12-06T11:38:04.313-05:00True enough.
True enough.<br />Dougmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08468871451814828157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-17380918732984439402012-12-06T00:49:00.818-05:002012-12-06T00:49:00.818-05:00.
We need Trish here to settle this.
If I'm ....<br /><br />We need Trish here to settle this.<br /><br />If I'm wrong, she would probably be in a position to know.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-25743278994760155582012-12-06T00:34:51.648-05:002012-12-06T00:34:51.648-05:00Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard to fight f...Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard to fight for Aussies 'to the very end.' Good Luck to you all.....<br /><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebtj3gDaE64<br /><br />Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-20459553158201499512012-12-06T00:32:57.380-05:002012-12-06T00:32:57.380-05:00Damn Canadians really have us over a barrel.Damn Canadians <i>really</i> have us over a barrel.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-82930048726107158032012-12-05T23:07:41.091-05:002012-12-05T23:07:41.091-05:00.
The CIA may have been running the bulk of the s....<br /><br />The CIA may have been running the bulk of the show in Benghazi. So what? No one is denying what they were doing there. Reports put out the day of the attack indicated that one of the people that was with the ambassador was there trying to run down weapons that went missing during the war.<br /><br />But how do you write off the the requests for more security <i>in Benghazi</i> made by the ambassador and his people at State? You can't just ignore the wires, the e-mails the official requests that no one in the administration is denying came through from State prior to the attack? They were all processed through the State Department.<br /><br />What were those? Cover for the CIA? <br /><br />The CIA probably did have the contacts you mention. What they didn't have was the authority or the responsibility to be calling for help to foreign nations. Even if the CIA were used to coordinate operations, the request would have come from the State Department (either the embassy in Tripoli or higher up stateside) or from the administration in DC. Libya was a NATO operation, even DOD should have been in a better position to request help, although I doubt they would have assumed the authority without going through DC.<br /><br />The embassy in Tripoli as well as the people in DC were in touch with Benghazi in real time.<br /><br />Besides, now you are trying to blame this FUBAR mess on the fact that the CIA didn't call the Brits and ask for help?<br /><br />Don't bogart that toad my friend, pass it over to me.<br /><br />. <br />Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-65320968659429528512012-12-05T22:25:27.917-05:002012-12-05T22:25:27.917-05:00A mllion barrels a day, from the Saudi, we import....A mllion barrels a day, from the Saudi, we import.<br />More or less<br />44 gal per barrel <br /><br />At whatever the going rate is.<br /><br />Every day, 365 days of the yeardesert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-14832082166274085932012-12-05T21:21:15.152-05:002012-12-05T21:21:15.152-05:00the top ten countries that the U.S. imports from:
...<i>the top ten countries that the U.S. imports from:<br /><br />1. Canada<br />2. Mexico<br />3. Saudi Arabia<br />4. Venezuela<br />5. Nigeria<br />6. Angola<br />7. Iraq<br />8. Algeria<br />9. United Kingdom<br />10. Brazil<br /><br />In 2007, about 23% of U.S. "imported" oil came from the Middle East. This percentage includes the following countries: Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates. Saudi Arabia makes us 17% of that 23%. This is according to the U.S. Department of Economics.</i><br /><br /><br />This is why we are fooling around in oil rich countries like, Libya, Egypt and Syria, Afghanistan, and have gotten out of Iraq.<br /><br />And must be the reason too why we seen unable to approve that pipeline from Canada, as of this date anyway, and don't make full use of our own resources.<br /><br />All makes perfectly good sense to me.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-47884580792667923722012-12-05T20:53:12.626-05:002012-12-05T20:53:12.626-05:00Little Rock, Arkansas
American icon, Charlie Brow...Little Rock, Arkansas<br /><br />American icon, Charlie Brown was savagely attacked and forced to retreat from theater by secular progressives. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-80125151502434016572012-12-05T20:27:05.360-05:002012-12-05T20:27:05.360-05:00The US is joined at the hip with the Waahabbi, Dma...The US is joined at the hip with the Waahabbi, Dman.<br />There is no reason or logic to it other than the US addiction to sweet Saudi crude and the global economy it lubricates.<br /><br />That's the truth.<br /><br />desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-65458892507767363192012-12-05T19:59:04.191-05:002012-12-05T19:59:04.191-05:00The CIA was runniing the show in Benghazi.
Their ...The CIA was runniing the show in Benghazi.<br /><br />Their people were there and had been.<br /><br />There was no consulate security force, there was no consulate.<br />There is no US military security force iin Benghazi, none ikn Libya other than the Mardikne guards at the Esmbasssey and 'Real' consulates.<br /><br />The CIA was armed up, machne guns, armored cars and laser target identiers. The CIA station chief should have had relationships ongoikng with the. Turks and Brits, along with the locals assigned the security etail at the US. Compound. If he didn't, little wonder P got the boot.<br /><br />If all contact amongst NATO forces has to be coordinated through DC, Brussels and other capitals, rather than in theater, little wonder things did not gob well after the compound was evacuated.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-87081061922558890632012-12-05T19:19:32.096-05:002012-12-05T19:19:32.096-05:00OopsOopsDougmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08468871451814828157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-15781177599283565862012-12-05T19:18:43.972-05:002012-12-05T19:18:43.972-05:00I guess I would want people to remember that it wa...I guess I would want people to remember that it was a terrorist attack. <br />That the US government will acknowledge that and resolve to take the fight to these islamists. <br />To take every measure and opportunity in every theatre of this war that was declared ON US<br />years ago.<br />War declared on reason, logic and truth.<br />Who will stand for what is right?Dougmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08468871451814828157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-45702622256470001832012-12-05T19:07:50.524-05:002012-12-05T19:07:50.524-05:00I guess I would want people to remember that it wa...I guess I would want people to remember that it was a terrorist attack. <br />That the US government will acknowledge that and resolve to take the fight to these islamists. <br />To take every measure and opportunity in every theatre of this war that was declared ON US<br />years ago.<br />War declared on reason, logic and truth.<br />Who will stand for what is right?Dougmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08468871451814828157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-32149906444886263622012-12-05T19:04:24.498-05:002012-12-05T19:04:24.498-05:00.
His folks were wearing the masks, and got caugh....<br /><br /><i>His folks were wearing the masks, and got caught, regardless.</i><br /><br />How you can continue to try to blame the CIA for doing a job they were assigned to do is beyond me.<br /><br />How you ignore the fact that it was the US Ambassador attacked, in the 'multi-purpose' building as you put it, and not the CIA annex is also beyond my ken.<br /><br />Everything you have offered up is mere speculation but it doesn't meet the Occam Razor test. There is just a much simpler explanation for it all.<br /><br />.<br /><br /><br />Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1929942061166219282012-12-05T18:52:39.556-05:002012-12-05T18:52:39.556-05:00.
None of US do. So we don't ...
... and won&....<br /><br /><i>None of US do. So we don't ...<br />... and won't.</i><br /><br />Never said WE need to know.<br /><br />What I have said is that the Congressional committees that have oversight on these matters need to know.<br /><br />Benghazi was oviously a screw up, a screw-up that needs to be investigated to try to prevent the same screw-up from happening again. The oversight committees are the place to investigate it. <br /><br />Your argument that the screw-up was the CIA's responsibility doesn't make sense to me if in fact they were carrying out US policy and not some rogue black-ops operation the President or the National Security Council was unaware of. If that is your position, I'd like to see some proof of it (even if you have to quote Ludlam or Clancy). Going by Occam's Razor it makes more sense to assume they were carrying out the job of collecting loose weapons left from the Libyan war and/or passing on the weapons to countries like Saudi Arabia or Qatar for transmission to rebels in Syria or other ME countries. Again, it makes more sense to me to believe if that was being done, it was in done in line with US policy dictated from the top. These 'yahoos' as Rufus likes to put it were doing what they were told to do.<br /><br />Your comment that the CIA "would have been responsible for calling and coordinating local support from local NATO assets" is ridiculous. Since we are talking asking the allies, foreign countries, for help the call would likely come from the top. At a minimum, it would have involved the State Department. Even DOD would make more sense than CIA.<br /> <br />With regard to Susan Rice, had she come out on that Sunday and and said we have conflicting stories at present and it will take a while to get to the bottom of it, her part in this fiasco would have ended almost immediately. But she didn't. Instead, she went on national TV and presented a fabricated story about videos (either on her own or because she was instructed to). One more case of either lying or incompetance.<br /><br />This whole episode started out as a tragedy. It could have ended as such. With the incompetent way it has been handled, it has devolved into a farce.<br /><br />Hell, the Keystone Cops would have looked more competant than the whole of the Obama administration.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-67237080085660211462012-12-05T18:19:37.259-05:002012-12-05T18:19:37.259-05:00No more outlandish than 'Zero Reserve Banking&...No more outlandish than 'Zero Reserve Banking'desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-16893269448196558222012-12-05T18:04:05.906-05:002012-12-05T18:04:05.906-05:00The CIA took the initial reports of gun fire at th...The CIA took the initial reports of gun fire at the compound.<br />The CIA sent the rescue duo. Or they went on their own inititiive.<br />The rescued US staff were sheltering in the CIA annex.<br /><br />The CIA had the ball on the ground.<br />The ambassador was missiiing, at best.<br /><br />Yes, the CIA would have been responsible for calling and coordinating local support from local NATO assets.<br /><br />desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-5939933267556102072012-12-05T17:57:57.608-05:002012-12-05T17:57:57.608-05:00And that, Q, explains why General P is gone.
His ...And that, Q, explains why General P is gone.<br /><br />His folks were wearing the masks, and got caught, regardless.<br /><br />Everything that followed, a.n attempt to keep the mission clandestine.<br />Whatever that mission may have been. It is so sensitive as to make these public gyrations required.<br /><br />I guess if Mr Woods was manning the machine gun he was not paintiing to Islamoid mortor position with a laser.<br /><br />More disinformation in the data dump?desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-77987951950193162122012-12-05T17:46:46.208-05:002012-12-05T17:46:46.208-05:00It will go away.
Exemplified by the fact that McCa...It will go away.<br />Exemplified by the fact that McCain did not bother going to the committee heariing on the subjectdesert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-48163399713053537172012-12-05T17:42:22.970-05:002012-12-05T17:42:22.970-05:00You expect Robert Ludlam or Tom Clancy?
No one in...You expect Robert Ludlam or Tom Clancy?<br /><br />No one in the general public knows what happened, or why.<br /><br />There is great speculation, but no conclusive or even standaardized storyline. <br /><br />Therre was a bungled operation involving the Ambassador. <br /><br />He was staying iin a multi-use Federal compound when it was attacked, during a series of protests at US faciliities across the Islamic arc.<br />Some claim a correlation, others do not.<br /><br />Some claim the compound was a consulate, but on Sep 11 of this year the State Dept did not have a facility listed for Benghazi, Libya.<br /><br />More disinformation in the data dump.<br /><br />Of course there is a 'cover up'. It's all classified stuff.<br />You hhave no Need to Know<br /><br />None of US do. So we don't ...<br />... and won't.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-24585086795672193322012-12-05T17:30:23.445-05:002012-12-05T17:30:23.445-05:00.
Don't forget Clapper, Bob.
He was the one ....<br /><br />Don't forget Clapper, Bob.<br /><br />He was the one that said he changed the intelligence reports for Rice.<br /><br />Of course, that was right before the FBI said they were the ones that changed the intelligence which was right before the FBI changed their story and said they didn't change the intelligence.<br /><br />The administration looks like a one-handed three-card monte player wearing a ski mitt.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-58459489405604605062012-12-05T17:22:53.402-05:002012-12-05T17:22:53.402-05:00The Platinum Trillion back in the news as the debt...The Platinum Trillion back in the news as the debt ceiling nears -<br /><br />http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/how-could-washington-avoid-a-debt-ceiling-default-mint-a-few-trillion-dollar-platinum-coins-seriously/<br /><br />With Barky all things are possible.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1383874966830871822012-12-05T17:15:28.353-05:002012-12-05T17:15:28.353-05:00
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article...<br /><br />http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50586<br /><br />Time to buy a bomb shelter.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br />Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-57568791823604484692012-12-05T17:12:50.310-05:002012-12-05T17:12:50.310-05:00.
Yeah, Q, they have done a great job of keeping ....<br /><br /><i>Yeah, Q, they have done a great job of keeping the 'Real' mission obscured in the purple haze.</i><br /><br />A great job? Read the article I posted. These guys look like they are straight out of Monty Python. Nobody (except for you kool-aid drinkers) would belive the bull they are handing out. That gets back to my point about a cover-up or incompetence. In this case,<br />it appears it is both.<br /><br /><i>General P and his people screwed the pooch.</i><br /><br />You keep saying that but you haven't told me how.<br /><br /><i>That's all we 'Need to Know'</i><br /><br />That's all you and Rufus need to know but I suspect Benghazi won't be going away for awhile. At least, not until the four Congressional hearingss are completed.<br /><br /><i>Yes, they lie under oath, to maintain operational security.<br />Colonel North did.</i><br /><br />And North got caught. That's another reason I don't see this going away too soon.<br /><br /><i>Pick any storyline you want, it is as 'true' as the next.</i><br /><br />That's a little hard to do at the moment. There are so many of them. However, I do agree that any one of those we have been given so far are as 'true' as the next. <br /><br />.<br />Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-48090187799401964662012-12-05T17:04:51.860-05:002012-12-05T17:04:51.860-05:00Well shiver me timbers, here I thought the CIA was...Well shiver me timbers, here I thought the CIA was under direct supervision of the National Security Council and the President. They really must be a power of unto themselves, the CIA. I see now how Barky can say he gave orders to do all necessary, and nuttin' happened. We need to put General P under oath then. The President has been telling us the truth all along then. Barky has promised us he will get to the bottom of this, and he will. All we have to do is wait patiently. No one wants to know the truth about this more than Barky. He has assured us of that.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.com