tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post6545921393674754900..comments2024-03-28T06:32:24.557-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: The Saudi Cables: Is There Any Limit To US Dirty Dealing in The Middle East? Deuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-39547649545252719652015-06-30T17:30:22.694-04:002015-06-30T17:30:22.694-04:00Sorry, I am not going to allow outright lies about...Sorry, I am not going to allow outright lies about my posts. That is not a debate.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-71820259696656491772015-06-30T17:23:15.547-04:002015-06-30T17:23:15.547-04:00.
Well, time to walk the dogs.
It's hard to ....<br /><br />Well, time to walk the dogs.<br /><br />It's hard to debate comments like<br /><br /><i>This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.</i><br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-91314553710117007092015-06-30T17:19:39.123-04:002015-06-30T17:19:39.123-04:00.
Reason #18 on why the US should not be involved....<br /><br />Reason #18 on why the US should not be involved with any of the countries in the ME.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-26596067521268970162015-06-30T17:14:38.504-04:002015-06-30T17:14:38.504-04:00.
No doubt it's the culture.
..<br /><br />No doubt it's the culture.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-79595046651484105722015-06-30T17:12:32.617-04:002015-06-30T17:12:32.617-04:00.
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Or here's a thought experiment for you. ....<br /><br />.<br /><br />Or here's a thought experiment for you. If women's rights are the only positive you can hang your hat on regarding Israel tell me why the trend in Israel is in the wrong direction, why is it moving more towards the countries you abjure so much? When I mentioned that though Israel claims to be a 'secular democracy' perhaps the most important questions of their society are determined by religious beliefs and ruled on by the Chief Rabbinate, questions as basic as 'who is a Jew', crucial in a bifurcated system constructed to grant advantages to Jews over non-Jews.<br /><br />When I ask the question, where is the justice in denying a women a divorce if her husband refuses to allow it, you offer up this flaccid inanity, 'Well, gosh some people are talking about some ways to try to change this sometime in the future.' <br /><br />In 2006, the World Economic Council came up with way to measure gender inequality in the various countries around the world (about 148 of them). The 'Inequality Index' measures inequality for women across a number of categories. When it came out in 2006, Israel was the worst amongst developed countries. Further, the countries are ranked and since the initial report in 2006 through last year, Israel has dropped 30 positions and are moving towards not away from the Arab countries.<br /><br />http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Report-indicates-uptick-in-gender-inequality-in-Israel-380156<br /><br />http://www.wikigender.org/index.php/The_Gender_Index_%E2%80%93_Gender_Inequality_in_Israel <br /><br />While the various categories reflect Israeli society in general, the disparities seem to be most stark amongst the untra-orthodox and that is the way the country is moving at the moment. Currently, the Haredi represent about 12% of Israeli society; however, at the current birthrate that percentage will double in 17 years. Beyond that, their population is being fed by immigration and conversion. Their birthrate is about 4 times that of the non-Haredi population. Their influence is already larger than their numbers would suggest. It will only grow in the future.<br /><br />As for the Haredi and their respect for women, I came across this while googling Haredi population figures.<br /><br />https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIPmOIhVmw8AWKssnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByZWc0dGJtBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDMQ--?p=Fight+Breaks+Out+Between+Haredi+Jews+and+Gentiles&vid=558da79492611e8d488ad60c5ce4278c&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DWN.wcEnoQ4Z7qOfjsoAhznRig%26pid%3D15.1%26h%3D225%26w%3D300%26c%3D7%26rs%3D1&rurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DfAZfbMccO3A&tit=Jews+%28orthodox%29+terrorizing+Christian+Women+%28HORRIBLE%29&c=0&h=225&w=300&l=127&sigr=11bj6itod&sigt=11m2gef0l&sigi=12kbtpo2c&age=1363162591&fr2=p%3As%2Cv%3Av&fr=yhs-mozilla-004&hsimp=yhs-004&hspart=mozilla&tt=b<br /> <br />In the future, try answering the questions raised and stop with the diversionary tactics. Start thinking of the USA first not some foreign country. Quit the pseudo-intellectual 'thought experiments' and simply argue your case. Read a book on logic to learn what the word 'argument' actually means in this context.<br /><br />. Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-16341900299837641182015-06-30T17:09:19.376-04:002015-06-30T17:09:19.376-04:00.
Bob, you struggle to find two brain cells to ru....<br /><br />Bob, you struggle to find two brain cells to rub together.<br /><br />What does your 'Thought Experiment' have to do with the issues raised above? Your primary concern is Israel. Mine is the US. You did the same yesterday when confronted with evidence you didn't like. You bring up the issue of women's rights as if that justifies every sin Israel commits, whether that is breaking international law or UN resolutions or treating the Palestinians as chattel or in the case of Gaza, prisoners.<br /><br />Come on, try and answer one question that has been raised here without trying to change the subject. How about that <br />anti-BDS resolution sponsored by AIPAC that got added to the 'fast-track' legislation just passed by the 'US' Congress. What the hell is that doing in US legislation involving the TPP, TPIP, and other trade agreements when Israel isn't even amongst the countries involved in the agreements.<br /><br />.<br /><br />Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-91417255571002798392015-06-30T15:00:31.708-04:002015-06-30T15:00:31.708-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-30327854032375155372015-06-30T14:57:42.367-04:002015-06-30T14:57:42.367-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-38192373033807655242015-06-30T14:55:20.512-04:002015-06-30T14:55:20.512-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-34892127577635520752015-06-30T14:54:48.955-04:002015-06-30T14:54:48.955-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-87294542139535886032015-06-30T14:08:03.580-04:002015-06-30T14:08:03.580-04:00The coming and return of the light after the storm...The coming and return of the light after the storm, the reintegration of the personality on a higher level........beautiful.....like in Roethke.....Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-50889475267003432852015-06-30T14:02:00.257-04:002015-06-30T14:02:00.257-04:00It is some kind of ego enhancement, ego enlargemen...It is some kind of ego enhancement, ego enlargement, the last gasp of an aging man to finally find fulfillment by, he supposes, leaving his mark on things......<br /><br />I will ask Teeks about it. She might know of some kind of ego decompression program that would help out here.<br /><br />The return of a man or woman to sanity is always a wonderful thing to witness.Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-148051161809949402015-06-30T13:57:01.905-04:002015-06-30T13:57:01.905-04:00I am becoming truly worried about Deuce.
There ha...I am becoming truly worried about Deuce.<br /><br />There has been too much reference to violence lately, too many urges to go bang-bang, a unholy and unwise thirst to march on Washington D.C.<br /><br />Of one thing I am certain:<br /><br />Quirk ain't dumb enough to seriously entertain such errant non sense.<br /><br />He'd rather peacefully go about his daily business of milking the unwary consumers of USA.Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-19378478567122563462015-06-30T13:53:42.547-04:002015-06-30T13:53:42.547-04:00So Quirk, would you have your beloved daughter rai...So Quirk, would you have your beloved daughter raised and live in Israel, or Iran ?<br /><br />Those are you only two options.<br /><br />What about you, Deuce ?<br /><br />If you don't wish to take part in the Thought Experiment, all readers will draw the proper conclusion, which is, you are couple of phony sonbitches.<br /><br />Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-50448446659942054392015-06-30T13:06:01.370-04:002015-06-30T13:06:01.370-04:00.
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But these are just the current ....<br /><br />(continued...)<br /><br />But these are just the current headlines. There are day to day actions that tell the story more clearly. For instance on the issue of the settlements, I recall a couple years ago a minority group on the AIPAC National Council suggested a simple resolution that merely said that AIPAC supports the dismantling of 'illegal settlements' in the West Bank, that is it dealt with wildcat settlements that Israel itself considers illegal'. The author of the proposed resolution was first pressured not to even bring it up. But once it was brought up, it was overwhelmingly rejected on the basis that AIPAC <b>'shouldn't be telling Israel what to do.'</b><br /><br />Compare this with what AIPAC is lobbying for?<br /><br /><i>- Instead, the agenda will focus on the Congress enacting legislation that would designate Israel a “major strategic ally” of the United States -- a relationship not enjoyed by any other nation -- <br /><br />- A nonbinding resolution that would call on the president to support Israel “if it is compelled to act against the Iranian nuclear threat” will be introduced in the Senate. <br /><br />- The House will consider legislation that would authorize the president to sanction any entity that trades with Iran. <br /><br />- The AIPAC official interviewed by JTA said that part of what motivates the push to name Israel a major strategic ally is an appeal to maintain defense assistance funding, averaging more than $3 billion annually, <br /><br />- We've just recently discussed the disgusting AIPAC sponsored amendment that was added to the 'fast-track' legislation that suppresses dissent and punishing those involved in the BDS movement.</i><br /><br />Great for Israel. But it's funny. I haven't seen any headlines on all the great things AIPAC is lobbying the US to do for Americans.<br /><br />AIPAC is constrained from even passing a resolution that would support Israel enforcing its own laws because it would somehow infringe on the Israeli government's prerogatives, but they are perfectly willing to instruct (demand) the US government take actions beneficial to Israel even to the point of interfering in a massive trade bill that Israel plays no part in.<br /><br />Disgusting, IMO.<br /><br />If AIPAC weren't so hypocritical, they would remove the 'A' from their name.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-85571504444735474052015-06-30T13:04:20.480-04:002015-06-30T13:04:20.480-04:00.
Unfortunately, your vision isn't shared by ....<br /><br />Unfortunately, your vision isn't shared by the government of Israel,or even AIPAC if the truth be told. All of their actions argue against it. You were in AIPAC long enough that you must know this.<br /><br />Netanyahu doesn't want it. He has said it a number of times, some of them openly others in unguarded moments. His own father has said he doesn't want it. Every time he is pressured to come up with a deal he comes up with a new demand. And his current coalition and cabinet are to the right of him. Even the population of Israel is moving right and demographics suggest it will continue so. <br /><br />As for AIPAC, the two-state solution was hardly mentioned in this year's 'action principles'.<br /><br /><i>For the first time in at least seven years, neither the U.S. president nor the Israeli prime minister will attend. In addition, for the second year in a row, no mention of the Palestinians, negative or positive, appears on the conference’s legislative agenda.<br /><br />-----------------------------------<br /><br />This year’s “AIPAC action principles,” to be considered by the array of American Jewish groups that makes up AIPAC’s executive committee, mention the Palestinians only in the context of keeping them from advancing toward statehood outside the confines of negotiations but do not explicitly endorse the two-state solution. Most of the principles address the security relationship, as they did last year.<br /><br />Missing also, however, from the AIPAC legislative agenda is any effort to limit U.S. funding of the Palestinian Authority. AIPAC had pushed such efforts in December, after the U.N. General Assembly vote in which the Palestinians gained boosted recognition as a non-member state, <b>but they fell by the wayside in part because of mixed signals from the Israeli government.<br /><br />The conference runs March 3-5, ending with the annual AIPAC lobbying blitz on Capitol Hill next Tuesday.</b></i><br /><br />http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/no-obama-or-netanyahu-but-aipac-conference-still-looking-to-make-noise-1.506040<br /><br />(continued below...)<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-39943190511252095062015-06-30T11:55:43.784-04:002015-06-30T11:55:43.784-04:00Are we having another episodical reading comprehen...Are we having another episodical reading comprehension problem or is this your standard default, no argument, better flash the Jew Card moment?Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-62389045085259935732015-06-30T11:52:47.767-04:002015-06-30T11:52:47.767-04:00The comment was in response to your fellow travell...The comment was in response to your fellow traveller’s comment that, <i>“IRAN’S aim in all this is the genocide of the Jews”</i>. Is there a special approved way to write “Jew” that passes your sensitive smell test?Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-67285259908218183722015-06-30T11:46:15.103-04:002015-06-30T11:46:15.103-04:00No shark. No one is exterminating Jews. No one is...No shark. No one is exterminating Jews. No one is going to nuke Israel unless ISIS gets its hands on one, but then Israel gives ISIS succor by killing those trying to kill ISIS, so there must be no problem.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-11421520998607165822015-06-30T11:45:04.448-04:002015-06-30T11:45:04.448-04:00Deuce ☂Tue Jun 30, 06:48:00 AM EDT
It is always ju...Deuce ☂Tue Jun 30, 06:48:00 AM EDT<br />It is always just one more war, necessary to make things right. Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Iraq again but this one will be different. This time to save the Jews, in dire peril behind their phalanx of 300 nuclear missiles.<br /><br /><br /><br />Please take note<br /><br />Deuce's usage of the term "Jew" is really his thought…<br /><br />Not Israel or Israeli….<br /><br />JEW<br /><br />Shark jumping at it's finest.What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-4645294402754700712015-06-30T11:14:06.222-04:002015-06-30T11:14:06.222-04:00Quirk, Interesting use of personal attacks….
I gu...Quirk, Interesting use of personal attacks….<br /><br />I guess you really don't understand the GOOD that aipac actually does and have bought into the propaganda that some here and others in the Jew hating press peddle….<br /><br />AIPAC, which is too liberal for my taste, advocates a 2 state solution.<br /><br />I no longer do.<br /><br />I advocate Israel, Jordan and Egypt, all being "states" as we speak, continue.<br /><br />The vast majority of the "west bank" or as it's historically called Judea and Samaria, (historic Jewish Lands dating over 3200 years) be given to the local arabs to be confederated with Jordan (as it was from 1948 to 1967) and Gaza be re-joined to Egypt, as it was from 1948-1967.<br /><br />Since the Palestinians (a group of local arabs no culturally different than any other arabs around them) will then make up the majority in Jordan, Jordan should move to a democracy and recognize it's historic role in the 1948 UN resolution and become the confederation of Jordan and Palestine. <br /><br />:)What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-11623472094766299052015-06-30T10:24:33.607-04:002015-06-30T10:24:33.607-04:00.
I note 'AIPAC's Useful Idiot' (Idah....<br /><br />I note 'AIPAC's Useful Idiot' (Idaho branch) speaks and the rest of the blog exits.<br /><br />Luckily, his work release program requires he soon pick up his equipment (read plastic garbage bags and nail-on-a-stick) and go to 'work'. Today he is scheduled to be 'working' between mile markers 153 and 158.<br /><br />Hopefully, with his exit, normal conversation can resume at the bar.<br /><br />. Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-30812185613399197672015-06-30T10:12:11.845-04:002015-06-30T10:12:11.845-04:00Deuce ☂Tue Jun 30, 06:48:00 AM EDT
It is always ju...Deuce ☂Tue Jun 30, 06:48:00 AM EDT<br />It is always just one more war, necessary to make things right. Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Iraq again but this one will be different. This time to save the Jews, in dire peril behind their phalanx of 300 nuclear missiles.<br /><br />Please, call your niece. Send her a Moneygram. You’ll feel better.<br /><br /><br />Wow, Deuce you have jumped the shark.<br /><br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-88663258576889115072015-06-30T07:34:23.428-04:002015-06-30T07:34:23.428-04:00The Saudi Cables: Is There Any Limit To US Dirty D...The Saudi Cables: Is There Any Limit To US Dirty Dealing in The Middle East?Pulau harapanhttp://www.birotravelpulauharapan.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-84998285628639569542015-06-30T06:59:42.351-04:002015-06-30T06:59:42.351-04:00She is certain that if you were given the choice b...She is certain that if you were given the choice between having your own daughter raised in Israel or Iran, you would, finally choose Israel, as you would ultimately wish for that which is your own daughter's best interests.<br /><br />She is certain you would wish your daughter to live to be a free woman, and not subject to all the detriments of life as a female in Iran.Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.com