tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post631517988628624148..comments2024-03-28T06:32:24.557-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: We Never LearnDeuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-77943303651793194742007-12-24T22:28:00.000-05:002007-12-24T22:28:00.000-05:00desert rat said...As a "spokesman" of sorts, you j...desert rat said...<BR/>As a "spokesman" of sorts, you just proposed making refugees out of 1.1 million Palistinians<BR/><BR/>They not deserving of good will, in your opinion.<BR/><BR/><BR/>as a RESPONSE to the Democratic elected government of Hamasistan's 2700 ROCKETS fired From GAZA into Israel in the last 12 months...<BR/><BR/>hamas seeks the genocide of israel<BR/><BR/>I seek the making of the refugees of gaza into refugees...<BR/><BR/>duh...<BR/><BR/>israel LEFT gaza 2 years ago, all the palios made of it was a chance to destroy israel...<BR/><BR/>so as a spokesperson of sorts, I advocate NOT genocide against those seeking my death<BR/><BR/>but rather i seek their discomfort...<BR/><BR/>extreme?<BR/><BR/>hardly, just look to the world how they solve these issue...What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/08237879055691019968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-80542679831754047402007-12-24T20:38:00.000-05:002007-12-24T20:38:00.000-05:00As a "spokesman" of sorts, you just proposed makin...As a "spokesman" of sorts, you just proposed making refugees out of 1.1 million Palistinians<BR/><BR/>They not deserving of good will, in your opinion.<BR/><BR/>When those evil mussulmen come to Phoenix to take over, we'll handle it.<BR/><BR/>Sic our Mexican mercenaries on 'em.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-65875941499520019872007-12-24T17:31:00.000-05:002007-12-24T17:31:00.000-05:00desert rat said...But that nano second now flys bo...desert rat said...<BR/>But that nano second now flys both ways, wi"o". Mr Cordesman's point, perhaps.<BR/><BR/><BR/>No, Israel still could now (and anytime in the last 20 years done so) and all the persians and arabs COULD do to israel they have already tried.<BR/><BR/><BR/>DR: What sense is it to kill 'em all, if all yours are dead, too?<BR/>Is that success or victory?<BR/><BR/>I'd say success, but most arabs and iranians LIVE in their own countries, today only 40% of the worlds jews are "in" israel, most of us are scattered throughout the world. this is not the 1st time we have been threatened with genocide DR. BY THESE EXACT PEOPLE<BR/><BR/><BR/>DR: To drive those in Gaza into Egypt, an option that is old and been rejected, before.<BR/><BR/><BR/>sometimes what is old is new again.... and does not advocate genocide...<BR/><BR/><BR/>dr: But one side or the other, or both, will have to go. <BR/>Before there is Peace on Earth.<BR/><BR/><BR/>then expand that.... there is islam and "non-islam". israel just the canary in the mine. dont try to sit there as somehow this battle is not of your concern.<BR/><BR/><BR/>DR : Neither side considering the "other" to be deserving.<BR/><BR/><BR/>to which that earns you my famous FUCK YOU...<BR/><BR/>How dare you even suggest that?<BR/><BR/>Israel is not the one calling for the death of millions? Hamas & fatah BOTh do not accept israel's right to be... Iran, Syria and assorted others within the arab league have for DECADES called for israel's erasure.... so dont give me that crap....<BR/><BR/>If israel had wished to USE it's arsenal she COULD at any moment since 1966 simply nuked the problem, but has chosen NOT to.<BR/><BR/>The MOMENT Iran or the Palios COULD destroy israel they WOULD<BR/><BR/>Merry Christmas and remember Jesus was a ZIONIST long before he ever got promoted (by gentiles) to Be the PROMISED JEWISH MESSIAH...<BR/><BR/>Sorry no "Palestine" in the Torah....What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/08237879055691019968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-2356120848011976312007-12-24T11:18:00.000-05:002007-12-24T11:18:00.000-05:00But that nano second now flys both ways, wi"o". Mr...But that nano second now flys both ways, wi"o". Mr Cordesman's point, perhaps.<BR/><BR/>What sense is it to kill 'em all, if all yours are dead, too?<BR/>Is that success or victory?<BR/><BR/>To drive those in Gaza into Egypt, an option that is old and been rejected, before.<BR/><BR/>But one side or the other, or both, will have to go. <BR/>Before there is Peace on Earth.<BR/><BR/>Good Will Towards Men. <BR/><BR/>Neither side considering the "other" to be deserving.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-37894554281814054482007-12-24T11:04:00.000-05:002007-12-24T11:04:00.000-05:00elijah said...News of this report appears on the I...elijah said...<BR/>News of this report appears on the Israeli websites today.<BR/><BR/>Odd.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Not really, things like this have been discussed for decades within our circles.<BR/><BR/>the fact? most israelis have had years to build and get used to having secure bomb shelters in their homes...<BR/><BR/>from poison gas, to nuke fall out most israeli accept and believe (as do most jews around the world with a brain) that shit can happen...<BR/><BR/>the real question is:<BR/><BR/>does the arab/islamic world understand that in a nanosecond the arab world could be vaporized?<BR/><BR/>the palios, hezbooah,iran, syria etc still dont get it that israel HOLDS it's guns back...<BR/><BR/>the gaza question could be solved in 3 days...<BR/><BR/>step one: start random bombing of all palestinian lands close to the border..<BR/><BR/>step two: flatten all palestinian border restraints with egypt.<BR/><BR/>step three: bomb all power stations, water supplies and start to carpet bomb closer into population centers (while dropping leaflets telling them to flee to the egyptian border)<BR/><BR/>yep it would be a hellaof migration<BR/><BR/>one could actually say the world's biggest refugee situation, (oh they say that already) then, continue to bomb gaza of all life and pull a hama on it...<BR/><BR/>then, when the dust settles, you will have about 1.1 million refugees squatting in the desert of sinai (brings to mind the kurds fleeing saddam) and the world can come and lend a hand (instead of GIVING 7 BILLION DOLLARS) and provide food, water and tents...<BR/><BR/>and thus solving the late great gaza situation...<BR/><BR/>merry christmas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/08237879055691019968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-45498655950191700722007-12-24T11:01:00.000-05:002007-12-24T11:01:00.000-05:00The report is not "news" in the MSM sense. So if i...The report is not "news" in the MSM sense. So if it is now getting a wide distribution, on Israeli web sites, there is a political component to that.<BR/><BR/>I have little knowledge of internal Israeli politics, so who could gain or who would be disadvantaged, or even which groups or Parties, it's all in a fog, for me. <BR/><BR/>But that it is some how political seems clear. An Israeli NIE so to speak, from a reliable and trusted source.<BR/><BR/>Would that be odd, in Israeli politics?desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-22086712157254792742007-12-24T10:32:00.000-05:002007-12-24T10:32:00.000-05:00i was thinking more about odd as relating to the t...i was thinking more about odd as relating to the timing as it is a month old report<BR/><BR/>odd also that it even appeared<BR/><BR/>doesn't make for light readingElijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09180395617090150228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-72278767872796676782007-12-24T09:53:00.000-05:002007-12-24T09:53:00.000-05:00Mutual Assured Destruction, not much odd about tha...Mutual Assured Destruction, <BR/>not much odd about that.<BR/>We have lived with that threat, in the US and Russia, for fifty plus years now.<BR/><BR/>Mr Cordesman states the obvious, even with Israel's advantages in throw wieght and it's ability to kill the Persians at a ten to one advantage ratio, or more, that makes little difference in the long run.<BR/><BR/><I><B>The outcome would be so costly to both sides, however, any such advantage would little or no practical value. It is unclear that either nation could reconstitute itself on anything like a prewar basis, if at all.</B></I><BR/><BR/>Peace through superior firepower just not enough to make for successful long term strategic viability. Not for City-States of limited geographic reach and small populations.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps Mr Cordesman is trying to explain to Israelis that is not a real option, for them. As if they did not already know such a thing, but maybe there are some Israeli that are in denial.<BR/><BR/>This report could be for them.<BR/><BR/>The Chairman thought the Chinese could absorb a nuclear exchange, then keep on keepin' on.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the Iranians feel as the Chairman did, and the Israeli are trying to communicate that it is a false hope, that Iran would not survive. <BR/>But from the quotes I've read from the Ayotollah K, they know that already, too.<BR/><BR/>So maybe it is odd, that he reports the obviousdesert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-50591137454335878302007-12-24T09:09:00.000-05:002007-12-24T09:09:00.000-05:00News of this report appears on the Israeli website...News of <A HREF="http://www.csis.org/component/option,com_csis_pubs/task,view/id,4172/type,1/" REL="nofollow">this report</A> appears on the Israeli websites today.<BR/><BR/>Odd.Elijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09180395617090150228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-35361561981974780082007-12-24T06:20:00.000-05:002007-12-24T06:20:00.000-05:00This Is the Sound of a Bubble Bursting<A HREF="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/23/business/23house.html?em&ex=1198645200&en=2e00713e3ccf992d&ei=5087%0A" REL="nofollow"> <STRONG>This Is the Sound of a Bubble Bursting</STRONG> </A>Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-62131692246394077252007-12-24T02:57:00.000-05:002007-12-24T02:57:00.000-05:00Kogan's Cantabile:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x...Kogan's Cantabile:<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsFJS4I_05EAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11132252460964519368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-52359021449684302832007-12-24T02:54:00.000-05:002007-12-24T02:54:00.000-05:00Jerry Springer Generation:Write a book about what ...Jerry Springer Generation:<BR/>Write a book about what a fucking loser you are:<BR/>"In House to House: An Epic Memoir of War, Staff Sergeant David Bellavia—a gung-ho supporter of the Iraq war—casually recounts how in 2004, while his platoon was on just its second patrol in Iraq,<BR/><BR/>a civilian candy truck tried to merge with a column of our armored vehicles, only to get run over and squashed. The occupants were smashed beyond recognition. Our first sight of death was a man and his wife both ripped open and dismembered, their intestines strewn across shattered boxes of candy bars. <BR/>The entire platoon hadn't eaten for twenty-four hours. We stopped, and as we stood guard around the wreckage, we grew increasingly hungry. Finally, I stole a few nibbles from one of the cleaner candy bars. Others wiped away the gore and fuel from the wrappers and joined me.<BR/>This incident is notable mainly for the fact that the platoon stopped; from the many accounts I have read of the Iraq war, when a US convoy runs over a car, it usually just keeps going."<BR/>---<BR/>Like 24 hours is a big enough deal to do that, and when you do, tell the World.<BR/><BR/>http://www.nybooks.com/articles/20906Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16770268554450465514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-3855104967386657632007-12-24T02:45:00.000-05:002007-12-24T02:45:00.000-05:00Kogan's Cadenza:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezR...Kogan's Cadenza:<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezRFdp7RxZ4Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11132252460964519368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-79803482704239480842007-12-24T01:58:00.000-05:002007-12-24T01:58:00.000-05:00Top wheat producers:1. China2. India3. USGeohiv...Top wheat producers:<BR/><BR/>1. China<BR/>2. India<BR/>3. US<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.xist.org/earth/ag_wheat.aspx" REL="nofollow">Geohive</A>samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11856051164644278989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-52289850680626655552007-12-24T01:39:00.000-05:002007-12-24T01:39:00.000-05:00Here is a comparison of the current farm program r...Here is a comparison of the current farm program rates with the new proposals in congress--from Idaho Grain Magazine(a producers magazine)<BR/><BR/>Wheat--current target $3.92 Senate target $4.15 House target $4.20<BR/><BR/>Corn--current target$2.63 Senate target $2.63 House target $2.63<BR/><BR/>Soybeans current target $5.80 Senate target $6.00 House target $6.10<BR/><BR/>Payments<BR/>Wheat $0.52<BR/>Corn $0.28<BR/>Soybeans $0.44Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-52758628838924447242007-12-24T01:06:00.000-05:002007-12-24T01:06:00.000-05:00Too good to be true:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Too good to be true:<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYH2VggdB7oAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11132252460964519368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-29719387775709046202007-12-23T23:54:00.000-05:002007-12-23T23:54:00.000-05:00Shirley Bassey sings GoldfingerSays it's not Engla...Shirley Bassey sings <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crn5ephc4UM" REL="nofollow">Goldfinger</A><BR/><BR/>Says it's not England anymore, nobody speaks English.<BR/><BR/>You got one too, WiO? Congrats.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-45680969217252284832007-12-23T23:49:00.000-05:002007-12-23T23:49:00.000-05:00desert rat said...Must be nice, having a trophy wi...desert rat said...<BR/>Must be nice, having a trophy wife with brains<BR/><BR/><BR/>yes it is...<BR/><BR/>you were talking to me?What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/08237879055691019968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-5345050878550450912007-12-23T23:38:00.000-05:002007-12-23T23:38:00.000-05:00The Palestinians need peace as well as aid - Teleg...The Palestinians need peace as well as aid - TelegraphThis view is strongly echoed by human-rights groups, such as Oxfam, <I>which point out that millions of dollars of aid to the Palestinians is being wasted</I> ...<BR/>www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/12/18/do1803.xml - 93k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this <BR/><BR/>Canadian aid to Palestinians must no longer perpetuate hatred ...Re: <I>Another $300 million wasted!</I> - Joseph Berger 08:12:53 2007/12/19 (0). Re: Canadian aid to Palestinians must no longer perpetuate hatred, ...<BR/>canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/27349.shtml - 27k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this <BR/><BR/>Nation & World | $7.4B in aid pledged for Palestinians | Seattle ...The United States pledged $150 million in direct aid for the moderate ... billion to the Palestinians over the past decade <I>only to see large amounts wasted</I> ...<BR/>seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004079368_mideast18.html - 43k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this <BR/><BR/><I>Over a million euros a month of European aid to Palestine wasted</I> ...Over a million euros a month of European aid to Palestine wasted in bank ... that more than a million euros of European Union aid for Palestinians is being ...<BR/>domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0145a8233e14d2b585256cbf005af141/f0e0d6fc0b94fd148525728000703535!OpenDocument - 6k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this <BR/> <BR/>The World <I>from Berlin: Cash for Palestinians Wasted Without</I> ...Cash for Palestinians Wasted Without Progress on Peace Talks ... and be more than just collective welfare aid, if the proper political framework is put in ...<BR/>www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,524091,00.html - Similar pages - Note this <BR/><BR/>Palestinians raise $7.4B in recovery aid - Yahoo! News... to the Palestinians over the past decade <I>only to see large amounts wasted</I>. ... Security Council hails donors' aid pledge to Palestinians AFP, 1 hour, ...<BR/>news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071217/ap_on_re_eu/mideast_donors - 52k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this <BR/><BR/>OxFam; Canada; United States; Europe; Germany--<BR/><BR/>There were 87,700 more entries unde 'aid to Palestinians wasted', at Google.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-34700793715788343182007-12-23T22:55:00.000-05:002007-12-23T22:55:00.000-05:00Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto accused...<I>Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto accused President Pervez Musharraf's government on Sunday of failing to crush militants in the Islamic nation, just days after a suicide bombing killed at least 50 people during a prayer service in a mosque.<BR/><BR/>...<BR/><BR/>The government said Sunday it would push ahead with its fight against al-Qaeda and Taliban militants, and would work to ensure a peaceful election campaign despite a suicide bombing which killed 56 people during prayers in a mosque days earlier.<BR/><BR/>...<BR/><BR/>Bhutto escaped two suicide attacks in October, when she returned to her country after eight years in exile.</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/12/23/pakistan-bhutto.html" REL="nofollow">January Elections</A>samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11856051164644278989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-47486881537833411742007-12-23T22:39:00.000-05:002007-12-23T22:39:00.000-05:00Another shocking revelation:Billions In Aid To Pak...Another shocking revelation:<BR/><BR/>Billions In Aid To Pakistan Was Wasted, Officials Assert<BR/><BR/>By David Rohde, Carlotta Gall, Eric Schmitt and David E. Sanger Published: December 24, 2007<BR/><BR/>ISLAMABAD, Pakistan: After the United States has spent more than $5 billion in a largely failed effort to bolster the Pakistani military effort against militants from Al Qaeda and the Taliban, some American officials now acknowledge that there were too few controls over how the money was spent, and that the strategy to improve the Pakistani military needs to be completely revamped.<BR/><BR/>In interviews in Islamabad and Washington, Bush administration and military officials said they believed that much of the American money was not making its way to frontline Pakistani units. Money has been diverted to help finance weapons systems designed to counter India, not Al Qaeda or the Taliban, the officials said, adding that the United States has paid tens of millions of dollars in inflated Pakistani reimbursement claims for fuel, ammunition and other costs.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-89739950983046949672007-12-23T22:34:00.000-05:002007-12-23T22:34:00.000-05:00Nice to have a trophy wife with brains, and a craz...Nice to have a trophy wife with brains, and a crazy Christmas.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-75126660595120607682007-12-23T22:32:00.001-05:002007-12-23T22:32:00.001-05:00It is.It is.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-5720501534328082432007-12-23T22:32:00.000-05:002007-12-23T22:32:00.000-05:00And then to top it off came Sen. Joe Lieberman, Al...<I>And then to top it off came Sen. Joe Lieberman, Al Gore's Democratic running mate for vice president in 2000, now newly minted as McCain's endorser. And Al From, the head of the Democratic Leadership Council and longtime defender of all things Lieberman, said he was "very saddened" that his man would endorse a -- gulp -- Republican.<BR/><BR/>That's like Roy Rogers saying he was "saddened" to discover that Trigger was a mule.<BR/><BR/>It's going to be a crazy Christmas. </I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.postbulletin.com/newsmanager/templates/localnews_story.asp?z=12&a=320603" REL="nofollow">Weird Race</A>samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11856051164644278989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1765054682835676652007-12-23T22:19:00.000-05:002007-12-23T22:19:00.000-05:00Must be nice, having a trophy wife with brainsMust be nice, having a trophy wife with brainsdesert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.com