tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post5694870315930595167..comments2024-03-28T06:32:24.557-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: Republicans in ChaosDeuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-53566621066630110222015-08-21T22:25:35.336-04:002015-08-21T22:25:35.336-04:00.
We have bigger things to worry about than Iran.....<br /><br />We have bigger things to worry about than Iran.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-consequences-of-the-oil-bust/2015/08/20/7c98defe-4770-11e5-846d-02792f854297_story.html" rel="nofollow">Once again, Saudi Arabia screws the world</a><br /><br />Consequences of the oil bust.<br /><br /><i>Major oil-producing countries everywhere are facing a fiscal reckoning like nothing they have seen in decades, perhaps ever. Let’s take a brief tour of the new world...</i><br /><br />Do we really want Russia to go bankrupt?<br /><br />.<br /><br /><br /><br />Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-73627914851909264042015-08-21T22:16:41.916-04:002015-08-21T22:16:41.916-04:00.
Israel’s Other Existential Threat Comes From Wi....<br /><br /><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/21/opinion/israels-other-existential-threat-comes-from-within.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow">Israel’s Other Existential Threat Comes From Within</a><br /><br /><i>It used to be said by some in Israel that “only the right can bring peace.” But the brave, pragmatic Zionist right of Menachem Begin is gone.<br /><br />Successive right-wing governments have adopted the mantra “there is no partner for peace.” Of course, the Palestinians have not been the perfect partner — and, of course, there is no such thing. <b>You make peace with your enemies, as Yitzhak Rabin used to say.</b><br /><br />In place of negotiations toward a two-state solution, however, the increasingly radicalized Israeli right has developed a strategy of “conflict management.” The results are in: endless operations in Gaza, Israel’s southern residents living under impossible conditions, Jerusalem on the verge of a third intifada, weakened Israeli deterrence and an Israel increasingly isolated in the world.<br /><br />The only way for Israel now to remain both Jewish and democratic — that is, for Israel to remain a democracy and retain its Jewish majority — is to separate from the Palestinians via a two-state solution. Without such a settlement, Israel is drifting ineluctably toward becoming a binational state. And make no mistake: The logic of the binational state means an end to the Zionist project. This threat to Israel is so grave partly because it is happening at a slow enough pace that our leaders can essentially ignore the problem without facing electoral catastrophe.<br /><br />Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu helped scupper Secretary of State John Kerry’s push for peace by insisting on Palestinian recognition of Israel as “the Jewish state” — which is an important and fair demand, but not as a precondition for talks. Because of those fruitless efforts and the bitter wrangling over the Iran deal, the Obama administration probably has little interest in spending more political capital on reviving the peace process. So Israel must take the lead to secure its own interests and its own future.<br /><br />I recently presented a plan at the Knesset that I hope will eventually become government policy. It is aimed at generating momentum toward a final status accord between us and the Palestinians. The broad parameters are already known, but there is more we should do...</i><br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1862229058570949562015-08-21T22:03:06.362-04:002015-08-21T22:03:06.362-04:00.
Israel's Military Intelligence Verdict on t....<br /><br />Israel's Military Intelligence Verdict on the Iran Nuclear Deal: It's Not All That Bad.<br /><br /><i>Israel’s military intelligence corps has given Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a surprising report assessing the opportunities and threats that the Iran nuclear deal poses for Israel.<br /><br />What’s startling about the report is not its substance, which is mostly a predictable mix of standard arguments presented for and against the deal: No nukes for 10 years, which gives Israel time to develop new countermeasures, but then a quick path to a nuke after a decade; an accelerated regional arms race, plus new legitimacy for pariah Iran, but also (surprisingly) a reduced likelihood of Iran attacking Israel. The upsides aren’t perfect. The downsides aren’t unmanageable.<br /><br />No, what’s remarkable about the report is the fact that it exists. Netanyahu has ordered every level of Israeli officialdom to muzzle any discussion of the deal’s possible upsides. Central to his strategy is his insistence that the deal is an unmitigated catastrophe. Orders are to depict it as so ruinous that no outcome is acceptable short of its absolute defeat.<br /><br />The prime minister and his allies insist Israel is united behind his unequivocal rejection of the deal. The cowering silence of the political opposition has helped him nurture the myth. But it’s a myth.<br /><br />Now comes word that his intelligence community is defying the gag order and telling him otherwise. The deal offers Israel both advantages and disadvantages, the spooks say. The disadvantages are not too calamitous for anyone to cope with them. For an outside observer, the logical conclusion is that Netanyahu’s fiery confrontation with the Obama administration is unnecessary. And destructive...</i><br /><br />Read more: http://forward.com/opinion/319515/the-game-changing-iran-report-that-wasnt/#ixzz3jVNF5uWB<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-22007138643207069152015-08-21T22:02:20.458-04:002015-08-21T22:02:20.458-04:00Well, I'm glad this damned week is over. G...Well, I'm glad this damned week is over. G'night. :)galopn2https://www.blogger.com/profile/10149969176825932175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-24074780415552681362015-08-21T21:25:13.157-04:002015-08-21T21:25:13.157-04:00.
s/b...What good would one bomb do them?
..<br /><br />s/b...What good would one bomb do them?<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-31775550438778751602015-08-21T21:24:09.346-04:002015-08-21T21:24:09.346-04:00.
Tell me why would Iran buy a bomb from North Ko....<br /><br />Tell me why would Iran buy a bomb from North Korea? <br /><br />What good would on bomb do them?<br /><br />Why would they put a target on their back?<br /><br />The proposed nuclear agreement does nothing to affect the terms of the current NPT. The same restrictions apply. Iran would be opening themselves for the whole range of sanctions from economic to military.<br /><br />I guess you can dream up any hypothetical you want. I just don't see it happening and so it doesn't affect my opinion that the proposed deal is a good one.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-68965319520525475472015-08-21T20:58:32.880-04:002015-08-21T20:58:32.880-04:00.
IF Iran has secret understandings, you know the....<br /><br /><i>IF Iran has secret understandings, you know the ones you said didn't exist?</i><br /><br />I was surprised by the secret agreements. I don't recall saying they didn't exist; however, if I did say that, I'm sure you can put up the link. If it were true, you would have me on that one. Would that mean that your batting average on these matters had now jumped up to around .008<br /><br /><i>How can we be sure of what we DONT KNOW?</i><br /><br />If you require 100% certainty before taking action you might as well curl up in bed and stay there. Can Iran cheat on the deal? Of course, that possibility always exists. Could Iran create a bomb in some secret location without us knowing of it before it happened? Of course, not. You would have to be batshit crazy to think so. <br /><br />According to the link you put up, the US and other allies were monitoring suspicious activity at QOM years ahead of it reaching an operational stage. With the new agreement we will have the most intrusive inspection regime ever. I may not know what we don't know but I am pretty confident we will find out what we don't know in plenty of time to react to it.<br /><br />The agreement carries risks but it also puts in a much better position than that we are in right now.<br /><br />.<br /><br />Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-37601219164153467102015-08-21T20:34:35.485-04:002015-08-21T20:34:35.485-04:00Your full of shit. You never met hundreds of senio...Your full of shit. You never met hundreds of senior members of anything. You have no clue about what senior members of armed forces or security agencies think and say in private. Your very assertion tells anyone with a brain that you don’t even know what a senior member is. <br /><br />Your methodology of argument is name calling and insult as is the case of most ignorant dolts. You are incapable of an intelligent argument or cogent thinking. Why would a senior member of anything want to engage with you?Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-87161110389107179432015-08-21T20:31:32.095-04:002015-08-21T20:31:32.095-04:00who says they don't PURCHASE the bomb from Nor...who says they don't PURCHASE the bomb from North Korea?<br /><br />You just can't admit you really don't know shit.What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-65520020061953477242015-08-21T20:19:53.511-04:002015-08-21T20:19:53.511-04:00Four Gazans abducted on a bus traveling from Rafah...Four Gazans abducted on a bus traveling from Rafah to Cairo airport on Wednesday night were senior Hamas naval commandos who were heading overseas — apparently to Iran — for training, The Times of Israel has learned.<br /><br />Get The Times of Israel's Daily Edition by email <br />and never miss our top stories FREE SIGN UP!<br /><br />In Gaza, it is believed that the four were intercepted by Egyptian intelligence operatives, and the incident has raised tensions between Hamas and Egypt to new heights.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />LOL<br /><br /><br />Iran + Hamas = shit.What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-72276063682739529522015-08-21T20:19:31.050-04:002015-08-21T20:19:31.050-04:00I can only say I have met HUNDREDS of senior membe...I can only say I have met HUNDREDS of senior members of our armed forces and what I can say, without any hesitation?<br /><br />You don't speak the truth.<br /><br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-80565619985898110292015-08-21T20:17:37.042-04:002015-08-21T20:17:37.042-04:00.
Once again, WiO, you just don't get it.
Yo....<br /><br />Once again, WiO, you just don't get it.<br /><br />Your 'SECRET SIDE DEALS' apply to the Parchin site only. It deals with activities that took place 10 years ago. The deals do not effect operational sites. If Iran takes samples themselves the process will still be monitored by the IAEA.<br /><br />As for your specific question,<br /><br /><i>What makes you sure that Iran cannot build a bomb without the IAEA knowing...</i><br /><br />My answer from above still applies,<br /><br /><i>It's one thing to do undeclared research in a hidden site, its an entirely different matter to build a bomb. This agreement restricts two-thirds of Iran's enrichment capabilities and monitors them. Experts at the IAEA indicate that it would take Iran years to develop a bomb from scratch in some secret site and that long before they got very far their efforts would be detected.</i><br /><br />.<br />Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-64479686693247955832015-08-21T20:06:13.400-04:002015-08-21T20:06:13.400-04:00.
Obama himself with HIS direct behavior made it ....<br /><br /><i>Obama himself with HIS direct behavior made it clear.</i><br /><br />I think you are merely misreading Obama's natural dislike for Bibi. But then, Bibi just ain't a likable person.<br /><br />As for the other charges, I think they are just a result of the persecution complex you display her daily.<br /><br />. Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-52034151077406967042015-08-21T19:59:18.942-04:002015-08-21T19:59:18.942-04:00.
Seems like the last plane shot down was Iranian....<br /><br />Seems like the last plane shot down was Iranian.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-50497561648040718722015-08-21T19:09:02.096-04:002015-08-21T19:09:02.096-04:00Israel has been screwing the US since it attacked ...Israel has been screwing the US since it attacked the US Liberty. It a dangerous liability, an apartheid regime and has cost the US thousands of deaths, tens of thousands of wounded, thrillions in financial losses. and is the single largest generating machine of into-semitism<br /><br /> It earned the loathing that it has brought upon itself by most every country that knows them. That is a fact.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-65024981496372603042015-08-21T19:00:40.049-04:002015-08-21T19:00:40.049-04:00..and, unfortunately for your team, true...and, unfortunately for your team, true.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-82870725898599822562015-08-21T17:15:31.210-04:002015-08-21T17:15:31.210-04:00You are a denial of reality. You must be either a...You are a denial of reality. You must be either a moron or a fool.<br /><br />For some reason I don't think you are evil. <br /><br />Maybe you should learn more about the Iranians and how they fight to understand what they advocate.<br /><br />Maybe it will take an Iranian missile aimed at your grandkids airplane to educate you.<br /><br />Who knows.<br /><br />But from me to you?<br /><br />You are self deluding.<br /><br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-4347240464109444652015-08-21T17:11:44.454-04:002015-08-21T17:11:44.454-04:00I guess you are just a moron.
If you cannot se th...I guess you are just a moron.<br /><br />If you cannot se the connection? Then you are blind.<br /><br />Denial aint just a river in Egypt.<br /><br />Obama operatives, political agents, from James Carville to others all worked to have Bibi defeated.<br /><br />Obama himself with HIS direct behavior made it clear.<br /><br />Obama and his lackies of COURSE interfered with Israeli internal affairs.<br /><br />ONLY a fool could argue otherwise.What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-58706002628960171532015-08-21T17:06:59.354-04:002015-08-21T17:06:59.354-04:00.
That group is reportedly being led by Obama’s 2....<br /><br /><i>That group is reportedly being led by Obama’s 2012 field director Jeremy Bird.</i><br /><br />What don't you get? We went through this in detail at the time. Bird worked with Obama in 2012. Since then he has opened a successful consulting firm. He works for big names who are willing to pay the price, Democratic or republican. Hell, if you have the bucks, he would work for you. He puts on seminars for companies and the general public and for people interested in getting into politics.<br /><br />There is no evidence whatsoever that Obama was involved in Bird's contract with "One Voice'. If you have anything more than speculation provide a link.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-85225739792059642202015-08-21T16:49:45.068-04:002015-08-21T16:49:45.068-04:00.
Why should I take exception. Its a fact of lif....<br /><br />Why should I take exception. Its a fact of life in the ME. Reason #13 why the US shouldn't be there.<br /><br />However, if you are using this story to rebut my statement from August 4 that you posted above, you merely show that you are still having trouble with the English language. My comment was in response and rebuttal of your comment that<br /><br /><i>Iran will try to genocide Israel with many methods including but not limited to: Nuclear weapons, non-nuclear weapons, mass hysteria that provokes another proxy war..</i><br /><br />which is absurd. <br /><br />The story says nothing about Iran launching a nuclear attack on Israel. It says nothing about Iran launching a conventional military attack on Israel. This was the point of my comment.<br /><br />As for what the story does say, some IDF officers says all attacks coming from around the Golan heights are orchestrated by Iran. Is anyone surprised that the IDF would say this. Iran could be providing money and support for the various resistance groups mentioned in the story but that hardly qualifies as genocide against Israel by 'any means necessary' and it certainly doesn't speak to a nuclear attack. <br /><br />All of the groups mentioned in the article have been around for years. Popular Front for Liberation of Palestine was one of the many groups formed to fight Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories, Hezbollah was formed in 1982 to resist the Israeli occupation of Lebanon, the Liberators of the Golan is a Hezbollah spin off formed in 2006 to fight the Israeli incursion in Golan. As for the Druze attacks, we have already seen Druze attacks within Israel recently in response to Israel aiding ISIS. All of these groups have at one time or another received support and training from Iran. There is nothing new in that; however, funding proxies hardly qualifies as 'by any means necessary'.<br /><br />Is it any surprise that an IDF officer would blame every action north of the Israeli lines on Iran, especially now as Israel is fighting the Iranian nuclear deal? <br /><br />.<br /> Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-33026179943329557942015-08-21T13:42:09.931-04:002015-08-21T13:42:09.931-04:00Deuce ☂Sun Aug 09, 07:53:00 AM EDT
In private, mil...Deuce ☂Sun Aug 09, 07:53:00 AM EDT<br />In private, military commanders and intelligence personnel can’t stand Israel. Why? Because they know them.<br /><br /><br />Wow, now that is another broad unprovable generalization that we have come to expect from you.What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-87263065128308938032015-08-21T13:24:03.993-04:002015-08-21T13:24:03.993-04:00These are Quirks own words:
ME: What makes you ...These are Quirks own words:<br /><br />ME: What makes you so sure they will not lie to cover up illicit programs and sites in the future.<br /><br />QUIRK: Merely, the words of the experts and their confidence that with the improvements that have been made in surveillance technology and testing they will be able to monitor and detect any illicit activity. Nuclear material just isn't the easiest thing to hide.<br /><br /><br /><br />IF Iran has secret understandings, you know the ones you said didn't exist?<br /><br />What makes you so cocksure they cannot lie…<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/28/us-officials-how-we-disco_n_301770.html<br /><br />U.S. Officials: How We Discovered Iran's Secret Nuclear Site<br /><br /><br /><br />How can we be sure of what we DONT KNOW?<br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-30682757257336758612015-08-21T13:13:05.308-04:002015-08-21T13:13:05.308-04:00QuirkThu Aug 13, 05:01:00 PM EDT
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Bibi was right...QuirkThu Aug 13, 05:01:00 PM EDT<br />.<br /><br />Bibi was right.<br /><br />:o)<br /><br />Right, and only 20 years late. Reminds me of those bears who keep repeating that there is going to be a market crash soon, repeating it year after year until there finally is a turn in the market and then they gloat, "See, I was right." And remember, what Iran can achieve in a few months is the capability to build a bomb not a bomb something they say they don't want.<br /><br />Anytime Iran wishes to cheat and build a nuke in an UNDECLARED site it can.<br /><br />Nonsense. Do you just pull this shit out of your ass or are you just batshit crazy? It's one thing to do undeclared research in a hidden site, its an entirely different matter to build a bomb. This agreement restricts two-thirds of Iran's enrichment capabilities and monitors them. Experts at the IAEA indicate that it would take Iran years to develop a bomb from scratch in some secret site and that long before they got very far their efforts would be detected.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />So now that the SECRET SIDE DEALS are public…<br /><br />What makes you sure that Iran cannot build a bomb without the IAEA knowing SINCE the IAEA will allow Iran to do it's OWN INSPECTIONS?<br /><br /><br />Come on quirk, a real answer. <br /><br />No spin….<br /><br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-54764948815638903832015-08-21T13:03:54.443-04:002015-08-21T13:03:54.443-04:00Deuce ☂Fri Aug 14, 10:57:00 PM EDT
Anyone with a b...Deuce ☂Fri Aug 14, 10:57:00 PM EDT<br />Anyone with a brain could see that Iran has no interest in destroying Israel. Why bother? What would it gain for Iran?<br /><br /><br />Iran supreme leader touts 9-point plan to destroy Israel. Ayatollah Khamenei says West Bank should be armed like Gaza, and Jewish population should return to countries it came from<br /><br />http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-supreme-leader-touts-9-point-plan-to-destroy-israel/http://nypost.com/2015/08/01/iran-publishes-book-on-how-to-outwit-us-and-destroy-israel/<br /><br />http://nypost.com/2015/08/01/iran-publishes-book-on-how-to-outwit-us-and-destroy-israel/<br /><br />Iran publishes book on how to outwit US and destroy Israel<br />By Amir TaheriAugust 1, 2015<br /><br />While Secretary of State John Kerry and President Obama do their best to paper over the brutality of the Iranian regime and force through a nuclear agreement, Iran’s religious leader has another issue on his mind: The destruction of Israel.<br />Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has published a new book called “Palestine,” a 416-page screed against the Jewish state. A blurb on the back cover credits Khamenei as “The flagbearer of Jihad to liberate Jerusalem.”<br /><br /><br />So Deuce, are you a liar? A fool? An Iranian firster? Or are you just naive?<br /><br />Please tell us.<br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-62365127376952326522015-08-21T12:56:29.026-04:002015-08-21T12:56:29.026-04:00QuirkFri Aug 14, 01:05:00 PM EDT
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Did obama'...QuirkFri Aug 14, 01:05:00 PM EDT<br />.<br /><br />Did obama's own political machine not interfere with the recent elections in Israel?<br /><br />No.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />OBAMA CAMPAIGN TEAM ARRIVES IN ISRAEL TO DEFEAT NETANYAHU IN MARCH ELECTIONS<br />http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/26/obama-campaign-team-arrives-in-israel-to-defeat-netanyahu-in-march-elections/<br /><br />Just days after the Obama White House accused House Speaker Rep. John Boehner (R-OH)35%<br /> of “breaking protocol” by inviting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to address a joint session of Congress, a team of up to five Obama campaign operatives has reportedly arrived in Israel to lead a campaign to defeat the Israeli Prime Minister in upcoming national elections scheduled for March 17.<br /><br />The anti-Netanyahu, left wing Israeli newspaper Haaretz reports a group called “One Voice,” reportedly funded by American donors, is paying for the Obama campaign team. That group is reportedly being led by Obama’s 2012 field director Jeremy Bird.<br /><br /><br />Quirk are you a moron, liar or just a fool?<br /><br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.com