tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post5177189635177256854..comments2024-03-28T06:32:24.557-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: Did Israel Attempt to Supply Nuclear Capabilities to Apartheid South Africa?Deuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger118125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-57733758921007993712010-05-25T00:01:22.741-04:002010-05-25T00:01:22.741-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-52623972894531065322010-05-25T00:00:51.360-04:002010-05-25T00:00:51.360-04:00Oh yeah,
Best Whit!
.Oh yeah,<br /><br /><br />Best Whit!<br /><br /><br />.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-47969863633624419562010-05-24T22:48:31.949-04:002010-05-24T22:48:31.949-04:00Good lord, just takes a look at Allen's respon...Good lord, just takes a look at Allen's response to your note.<br /><br />If rat wasn't here, either WiO or Allen would eventually bring back every conversation to either Jews or Israel. With the rat thrown in the mix, there is absolutely no way of avoiding it.<br /><br />So please, give us some examples of what is and what is not acceptable.<br /><br />.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-6341852740942870592010-05-24T22:43:31.763-04:002010-05-24T22:43:31.763-04:00"And speaking of the Jews, the Jew baiting he...<i>"And speaking of the Jews, the Jew baiting here at the EB needs to stop."</i><br /><br />Tell me Whit do you think your comments are likely to change rat?<br /><br />Regarding the rest of us, perhaps you can give me an example of what you understand to be "Jew baiting" so that I can be sure to avoid it.<br /><br /><br />.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-42577003579597976932010-05-24T20:53:23.946-04:002010-05-24T20:53:23.946-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798524644256471907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-16365400596698549072010-05-24T19:40:07.120-04:002010-05-24T19:40:07.120-04:00Moral Equivalence Rides Again
Today, must be mora...<a href="http://spectator.org/archives/2005/06/14/moral-equivalence-rides-again" rel="nofollow">Moral Equivalence Rides Again</a><br /><br />Today, must be moral equivalence day. This morning on the local talk radio, when the host said that we should look more carefully at travel and immigration from "certain countries," a caller with a Spanish accent called asking <br />"Who is the US to define terrorism when it has such a sullied history?" He pointed that the explosion of the Maine was a case of terrorism used as pretext for US expansion in the Caribbean. <br /><br />It's idiotic and possibly suicidal to go down that road and when some Alinsky type brings it up, my antenna go on high alert.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-39376456504839283012010-05-24T19:00:09.446-04:002010-05-24T19:00:09.446-04:00Deuce asked the question:
Did Israel supply nucle...Deuce asked the question:<br /><br /><i>Did Israel supply nuclear capabilities to Apartheid South Africa?</i><br /><br />They might have but is that simply a diversion at this point? What is the point? To disarm Israel? To make Israel sign on to the Non-Proliferation Treaty?<br /><br />Why? To appease the Iranians? To comfort the Arabs?<br /><br />I see no point in that. In fact, the Guardian article shows how sick the whirled is. The Iranians are the roques, the terrorists and yet who gets the blame? Once again, the Jews!<br /><br />And speaking of the Jews, the Jew baiting here at the EB needs to stop. <br /><br />The passive aggressive BS has gotten very tiresome. To the point where I am tempted to delete comments. But don't worry, I'm more likely to depart the premises for good. I'm not sure if I want to be associated with this place anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-49191509842100000622010-05-24T18:28:40.011-04:002010-05-24T18:28:40.011-04:00And more than one way to say, "Yes".
Th...And more than one way to say, "Yes".<br /><br />The two of them, they found an 'acceptable and deniable' middle road, and the South Africans got the bomb.<br /><br />Bottom line.<br /><br />The Israeli were proliferating nuclear knowledge, just like Dr Kahn was for the Pakistani Generals.<br /><br />Same game, different players.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-43428924610913014202010-05-24T18:25:32.616-04:002010-05-24T18:25:32.616-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798524644256471907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-70652741110169507802010-05-24T18:23:01.758-04:002010-05-24T18:23:01.758-04:00Well, Q, if that was all there was, well then, I&#...Well, Q, if that was all there was, well then, I'd agree, its' not that much. Not a preponderance of evidence, the notes of the meeting, in and of itself.<br /><br />But in fact, it is just one piece of a greater mosaic. <br />Just one of the many pixels in the picture.<br /><br />I'd agree that the entire picture, it is not a crisp closeup, in full focus of what happened.<br /><br />But as a dot, in that mosaic, it cannot be ignored, not when it completes the picture of nuclear knowledge and expertise being proliferated, even if a itself weapon was not delivered.<br /><br />Even through the fog of time, deniablity and statecraft, the foggy picture is enough, there was clearly, visible proliferation of the "Secrets".<br /><br />Nuclear proliferation is at the heart of the issue. as Mr Cheney said ...<br /><br /><i>... the threat we face now, the idea of a terrorist in the middle of one of our cities with a nuclear weapon, is very real ...</i><br /><br />Who has nuclear weapon capacity that is not monitored by the IAEA, but Israel, North Korea, Pakistan and India.<br /><br />The NorKs may not "really" have a nuke, if they do, it is not combat ready.<br /><br />The other three on the list, they have combat capable nuclear capacity. <br /><br />Their past behavior may be an indication of future actions. <br />Especially when nuclear knowledge is the stock of trade, not a device itself.<br /><br />As Pakistan has assisted both NorK and Iran. The Israeli assisting the South Africans.<br /><br />Indicative of governments discounting the danger to humanity that nuclear weapons proliferation represents, in both cases.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-87214005072833694932010-05-24T17:54:40.566-04:002010-05-24T17:54:40.566-04:00Another view from the AP:
"Appearing alongsi...Another view from the AP:<br /><br /><i>"Appearing alongside the article, the partially censored documents show a formal request from the South Africans for nuclear-capable warheads, and minutes of meetings in which then-Defense Minister Peres listed weapons available for sale.<br /><br />"But they do not appear to confirm any transfer of weapons, or any explicit offer from the Israelis to sell nuclear materials or nuclear-capable weapons to the South Africans.<br /><br />"The documents accompanying the story do show Peres' signature on minutes from a meeting where the then-defense minister discussed payloads available in "three sizes," one of several phrases that Peres said The Guardian misconstrued."</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.realclearworld.com/news/ap/international/2010/May/24/israel_s_peres_denies_offering_south_africa_nukes.html" rel="nofollow">It's All About What the Meaning of 'Is" Is</a><br /><br />.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-60067629917093919742010-05-24T17:36:15.158-04:002010-05-24T17:36:15.158-04:00"A Pew Environmental Group study found that g...<i>"A Pew Environmental Group study found that governments have been ineffective at stopping illegal fishing. Pew international policy director Susan Lieberman cited "the deplorable state of fisheries on the high seas" based on U.N. figures showing three-quarters of the world's fish stocks are overfished and said global fisheries could "crash" by mid-century."</i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.realclearworld.com/news/ap/international/2010/May/24/un_fish_stocks_review_opens_with_dire_outlook.html" rel="nofollow">Teach a Man to Fish? Eh, Probably Not a Good Idea.</a><br /><br /><br />.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-72612400530750045122010-05-24T16:10:08.041-04:002010-05-24T16:10:08.041-04:00That's what I thought.
See ya', well I ho...That's what I thought.<br />See ya', well I hope not.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-58956588370077417942010-05-24T16:05:30.161-04:002010-05-24T16:05:30.161-04:00O but yes you did, though I'm not going back t...O but yes you did, though I'm not going back to find it. Just get a job with Meals on Wheels, make something of your stupid life.bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-2568358754585564502010-05-24T16:03:09.337-04:002010-05-24T16:03:09.337-04:00Find that reference and post it boob.
If I EVER t...Find that reference and post it boob.<br /><br />If I EVER threatened you with violence to your person...<br /><br />See if anyone else recalls the month it may have occurred. <br />whit or Deuce, even doug.<br /><br />You are a sack of no consequence.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-40246115272118933522010-05-24T16:02:54.347-04:002010-05-24T16:02:54.347-04:00rat, really, go out and get some job, some meaning...rat, really, go out and get some job, some meaningful work, even its only Meals on Wheels.bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-66473489006349525022010-05-24T16:00:37.666-04:002010-05-24T16:00:37.666-04:00I love it, the reality of rouge.
As the Queen is...I love it, the reality of rouge.<br /> <br />As the Queen is paraphrased "I say what I say and I mean what I say".<br /><br />That some read other meanings into it, all to cute.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-73200010940097414892010-05-24T15:59:50.526-04:002010-05-24T15:59:50.526-04:00boob only fears that you might come up and shoot h...boob only fears that you might come up and shoot him, as you once let out that you might do, when you got pissed once. I'm not really afraid though, in fact, it migtht be a thankfullness, MR. Self Confessed Criminal. I don't think you got the guts, so I ain't really worried.bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-68166746680630298902010-05-24T15:51:44.948-04:002010-05-24T15:51:44.948-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798524644256471907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-72424532671762948382010-05-24T15:30:28.345-04:002010-05-24T15:30:28.345-04:00boob even tells the readers to fear me.
It is fun...boob even tells the readers to fear me.<br /><br />It is funny, really.<br /><br />The depth that is not reached, how the same story line is played, over and again, to no effect.<br /><br />boob's afraid, and so all the whirled must mirror his fear.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-13667677336458201302010-05-24T15:26:32.871-04:002010-05-24T15:26:32.871-04:00That is why they continue with their gloom and doo...That is why they continue with their gloom and doom, rufus.<br /><br />They want to drive the fear factor, any way they can.<br /><br />Fear the Muslim, that is their rant<br />Fear the Black, that too is chorused.<br />Fear the Brown. <br />Fear the Foreign.<br /><br />Their message, always revolves around fear, gloom and doom.<br />War on the horizon, always.<br /><br />Sometimes it is.<br />Sometimes it should be.<br /><br />But not today, not by US, not for the reasons enunciated by the haters.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-37159810918836859732010-05-24T15:21:00.016-04:002010-05-24T15:21:00.016-04:00If not, then they will not have fear embedded in ...If not, then they will not have fear embedded in their hearts, by the propagandists.<br /><br />Another part of Mr Beinarts' observations that dovetails to political reality. <br /><br />How the Israeli propagandists use victimhood and fear to drive their message in the US, and how that device has failed to deliver, what with the reality of the post '67 Levant being what it is.<br /><br />Israel is one of the top ten vacation destinations in all the whirled. <br />There are no Israeli victims, there.<br />Not as seen from here, in the USA.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-72465344788914770342010-05-24T15:12:48.986-04:002010-05-24T15:12:48.986-04:00Teach your kids to duck and cover.
No worries.
Wo...Teach your kids to duck and cover.<br /><br />No worries.<br />Worked for me and mine.<br /><br />It'll work for you and yours.<br /><br />Israel is all nuked up, and still feels insecure. <br /><br />Wonder if the Iranians know about Bert the Duck and Cover Turtle?desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-59741021468307241082010-05-24T15:04:43.390-04:002010-05-24T15:04:43.390-04:00Here it is, Bert the Duck and Cover Turtle
To chi...Here it is, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7LCKszv3wE" rel="nofollow">Bert the Duck and Cover Turtle</a><br /><br />To chill!desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-32287527625110313982010-05-24T15:02:38.053-04:002010-05-24T15:02:38.053-04:00And rest assured, the Iranians will be as nuclear ...And rest assured, the Iranians will be as nuclear capable as the Japanese.<br /><br />On the threshold of capacity, always.<br /><br />It's old technology, 1940's technology. <br /><br />It's been a MAD whirled, it remains a MAD whirled.<br /><br />Get used to it, if you are not already. Nothing different, nothing new. The threat has existed, in my whirled, since before I was born. The first "Duck and Cover" film making the rounds of US schools in 1951.<br /><br /><i>Produced by the Civil Defense branch of the U.S. government, Duck and Cover features an animated character named Bert the Turtle, who proceeds to demonstrate the protective benefits of ducking and covering (his head disappears into his shell when faced with danger).<br /><br />This was all accompanied by a catchy, albeit morbid, tune about the proper reaction to a nuclear bomb:<br /><br /><br />"There was a turtle by the name of Bert<br />and Bert the turtle was very alert;<br />when danger threatened him he never got hurt<br />he knew just what to do...<br />He ducked!<br />And covered!<br />Ducked!<br />And covered! He did what we all must learn to do'<br />You And you And you And you!'<br />Duck, and cover!'<br /><br /><br />Despite the film's amusing flaws (or rather because of them), Duck and Cover has become a cult hit and is still shown today on television programs that are discussing the Cold War.<br /><br />Baby boomers may not find this so amusing, however, <b>as they had the thought of imminent Soviet attacks on their minds daily.<br /><br />To this day, adults complain of Red Scare nightmares that were induced by government tools like Duck and Cover. </b></i><br /><br />Now that last part, Red Scare nightmares ...<br />That was not the result for me, but maybe that's what's shaking boob by the lapels.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.com