tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post478026167454237325..comments2024-03-28T06:32:24.557-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: Obama’s stupid senseless war in AfghanistanDeuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger112125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-36583434444512950682012-08-21T19:46:37.971-04:002012-08-21T19:46:37.971-04:00If the Doctor was local, and it was a local matter...If the Doctor was local, and it was a local matter, why was the FBI involved.<br />If it was a local matter, with what justification do you blame the Obama administration four or five times, up thread?<br /><br />Either it was local issue, or it was Federal, which do you think it was, boobie?desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-6845532986845878672012-08-21T19:41:41.966-04:002012-08-21T19:41:41.966-04:00I was writing my reply, before your 6;23 comment w...I was writing my reply, before your 6;23 comment was seen, by me.<br /><br />desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-60917580809640575172012-08-21T18:48:21.200-04:002012-08-21T18:48:21.200-04:00As I said above, you and Quirk are abosutely right...As I said above, you and Quirk are abosutely right. Although the circumstances (Padilla, for instance, was trying to blow up a plane) were different, the Principle of Habeas Corpus is the absolute foundation of Constitutional law.<br /><br />I was wrong on Padilla, but I won't be again.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-74668373400323498932012-08-21T18:26:27.483-04:002012-08-21T18:26:27.483-04:00Sure it is similar, rufus.
As for the reasons Q po...Sure it is similar, rufus.<br />As for the reasons Q pointed out.<br /><br />US citizens detained and/or sent abroad without committing a crime, proven in Court.<br />Nor even being arrested, just "detained".<br /><br />It is a slippery path that Bush/Cheney set US upon.<br />Which the Courts have approved of.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-48394817649459511292012-08-21T18:23:53.700-04:002012-08-21T18:23:53.700-04:00You both are absolutely right.
I thought it was...You both are absolutely right. <br /><br />I thought it was just peachy when they broke the Constitution with Padilla, not thinking it through to the realization that if they got away with it with that scum, it would be me and mine that were next on the list.<br /><br />I was an enabler. <br /><br />I won't be again.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-87483493153897347042012-08-21T16:14:34.096-04:002012-08-21T16:14:34.096-04:00.
The heart and very heart, and strength and very....<br /><br /><i>The heart and very heart, and strength and very strength of my argument.</i><br /><br /><br />As my pal, Frank Zappa, once said, "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." But Bob, your comment is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Even the phraseology is stupid. It is criminally stupid.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-45231274212512902762012-08-21T15:53:06.220-04:002012-08-21T15:53:06.220-04:00.
It doesn't matter, Ruf.
The money line i.... <br /><br />It doesn't matter, Ruf.<br /><br />The money line is right here.<br /><br /><i>A federal appeals court yesterday backed the president's power to indefinitely detain a U.S. citizen captured on U.S. soil without any criminal charges, <b>holding that such authority is vital during wartime to protect the nation from terrorist attacks.</b></i><br /><br />"during wartime"<br /><br />Just declare a war on terror, a war that will never end, and you have your justification, at least, according to this court.<br /><br />This all needs to end up with SCOTUS. The problem is with guys like Hamdi they find something else to do with him because they don't want these cases to end up in court. Too much risk that there is an actual precedent set that would deny them the ability to do what they are doing.<br /><br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-87003196375370080732012-08-21T15:05:38.408-04:002012-08-21T15:05:38.408-04:00Got doc appointment. see yaGot doc appointment. see yaBobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-30016815101224869532012-08-21T15:05:13.689-04:002012-08-21T15:05:13.689-04:00Fuck off crapper. Be polite.
I agree Ruf. But I t...Fuck off crapper. Be polite.<br /><br />I agree Ruf. But I think they went through a local judge. Not that that makes it all right. I think it stinks too.<br /><br />I am making the point this is your guy's FBI.<br /><br />Even Idaho has temporary civil commitment for a mental eval.<br /><br />I'm bet a testicle Mississippi has too.<br /><br />They are actually sometimes necessary.<br /><br />Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-25688067703856180242012-08-21T15:02:15.284-04:002012-08-21T15:02:15.284-04:00Yes, Rat, but this case is not the least bit simil...Yes, Rat, but this case is not the least bit similar to the other two.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-44750283736220275652012-08-21T15:00:16.328-04:002012-08-21T15:00:16.328-04:00Exactly, boobie, the abuse of power is bi-partisan...Exactly, boobie, the abuse of power is bi-partisan. It is not limited to any political party, but pervasive in the current Federal system.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-52693587835262661042012-08-21T15:00:06.938-04:002012-08-21T15:00:06.938-04:00Yes, Bob, you fool, but this former Marine wasn...Yes, Bob, you fool, but this former Marine wasn't running around causing damage. He was sitting at home typing on his computer.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-17481717548440030812012-08-21T14:58:55.013-04:002012-08-21T14:58:55.013-04:00Sending a US citizen to a foreign land, to deprive...Sending a US citizen to a foreign land, to deprive him of his day in Court, pure Bush/Cheney. They sent Yaser Esam Hamdi to Saudi Arabia rather than allow him into the US court system.<br /><br />The current precedent was set, in 2005<br />Fancy that.<br /><br /><i><b>U.S. Can Confine Citizens Without Charges, Court Rules</b><br /><br />Padilla is one of two U.S. citizens held as enemy combatants since the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. The other, Yaser Esam Hamdi, was released and flown to Saudi Arabia last year after the Supreme Court upheld the government's power to detain him but said he could challenge that detention in U.S. courts.<br /><br />A federal appeals court yesterday backed the president's power to indefinitely detain a U.S. citizen captured on U.S. soil without any criminal charges, holding that such authority is vital during wartime to protect the nation from terrorist attacks.<br /><br />The ruling, by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, came in the case of Jose Padilla, a former gang member and U.S. citizen arrested in Chicago in 2002 and a month later designated an "enemy combatant" by President Bush. ...<br /><br />Padilla is one of two U.S. citizens held as enemy combatants since the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. The other, Yaser Esam Hamdi, was released and flown to Saudi Arabia last year after the Supreme Court upheld the government's power to detain him but said he could challenge that detention in U.S. courts. ...</i><br /><br />desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-81490186841503211762012-08-21T14:57:22.893-04:002012-08-21T14:57:22.893-04:00I never cared what they did to foreigners, and sti...I never cared what they did to foreigners, and still don't. But, that boy is one of mine. And that pisses me off (and, scares me, too - maybe that's why it pisses me off so much.)Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-54877968245393545982012-08-21T14:56:12.316-04:002012-08-21T14:56:12.316-04:00Rufus, you naif, some of this draconian stuff goes...Rufus, you naif, some of this draconian stuff goes back to Kennedy.<br /><br />Vote Count on Patriot Act below -<br /><br />Was sponsored by a democrat -Mary Landrieu of some southern state<br /><br />http://bunkerville.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/vote-tally-count-patriot-act-passes-275-144/<br /><br /><br />Beides, maybe I shouldn't tell you this, but I think they followed state law in taking the guy in for a mental. A local judge signed off on it, I believe I read.<br /><br />We had a guy here running around naked, masturbating, throwing rocks at cars, fighting with people - he is now in custody, the judge having signed a mental eval.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-59439587934302387752012-08-21T14:51:27.287-04:002012-08-21T14:51:27.287-04:00Then, of course, there in foreign rendition.
Then, of course, there in foreign rendition.<br />desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-5455939248858198172012-08-21T14:50:31.201-04:002012-08-21T14:50:31.201-04:00Bush/Cheney used it too, b.
A whole list of perso...Bush/Cheney used it too, b.<br /><br />A whole list of persons held, without charge, without bail and never seeing the inside of a courtroom.<br /><br />Face the facts, the Federals are all of the same ilk. Or they'd not be in the game.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-81222197485334379202012-08-21T14:46:43.590-04:002012-08-21T14:46:43.590-04:00AND, OBAMA IS THE ONE USING IT, you moron.AND, OBAMA IS THE ONE USING IT, you moron.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-81945304417643991542012-08-21T14:39:48.757-04:002012-08-21T14:39:48.757-04:00That's like trying to blame Bush for 9-11.That's like trying to blame Bush for 9-11.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-36382426015765750582012-08-21T14:38:32.435-04:002012-08-21T14:38:32.435-04:00Bob, you're an idiot. Bush put all this shit ...Bob, you're an idiot. Bush put all this shit in place. And, Romney will leave it there.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-10542258548566358862012-08-21T14:33:05.695-04:002012-08-21T14:33:05.695-04:00And finally, an assertion that I am the one who is...<i>And finally, an assertion that I am the one who is insane.</i><br /><br />The heart and very heart, and strength and very strength of my argument.<br /><br />I only rejoice you haven't descended to the level of poor Ruf.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-55795522733575853092012-08-21T14:29:56.833-04:002012-08-21T14:29:56.833-04:00Some here are driven to despair over your failure ...Some here are driven to despair over your failure to recognize Obama is full of shit, even when his Administration it is pulling innocents out of their own homes.<br /><br />Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-6294810287103793152012-08-21T14:18:59.077-04:002012-08-21T14:18:59.077-04:00Dee Rybiski, an FBI spokeswoman in Richmond, said ...<i>Dee Rybiski, an FBI spokeswoman in Richmond, said there was no Facebook snooping by her agency.<br /><br />“We received quite a few complaints about what were perceived as threatening posts,” she said. “Given the circumstances with the things that have gone on in the country with some of these mass shootings, it would be horrible for law enforcement not to pay attention to complaints.”<br /><br />Whitehead, Raub's attorney, said some of the posts in question were made on a closed Facebook page that Raub had just created and that had only three members, so he questioned whether anyone from the public would have complained about them.</i><br /><br />Calling Rufus, Calling Rufus, you have a problem.<br /><br />This is happening under the Administration of The One, The Only, The Guy YOU Are Going To Vote For, Your Leader: B-HO.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-42912132475243026812012-08-21T14:17:51.874-04:002012-08-21T14:17:51.874-04:00A Majority of Americans can't name ONE Supreme...A Majority of Americans can't name ONE Supreme Court Justice.<br /><br /><br />and we expect them to recognize that Paul Ryan is full of shit?<br /><br /><br />If you put a gun to my head, right now, I'd have to say Romney's going to win this election. Ryan's too cute, Obama's too black, gas prices are too high, and the economy is sucking too much wind.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-64295027601066367732012-08-21T14:01:45.665-04:002012-08-21T14:01:45.665-04:00I would miss Ash.
I would miss his patriotism, h...I would miss Ash. <br /><br />I would miss his patriotism, his knowledge of sail, and his befuddlements.<br /><br />For me, he is like late-night.<br /><br />......<br />Day Four - <br /><br />She must be either:<br /><br />1) Finished<br />2) Taking the day off<br />3) Eaten by the cat<br /><br />Pray it is not #3.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04145155737835511824noreply@blogger.com