tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post472250778264744941..comments2024-03-28T06:29:52.633-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: From The Huffington PostDeuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger147125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-84350557571782545932015-05-17T17:27:15.583-04:002015-05-17T17:27:15.583-04:00I recall how Rufus wrote in right after voting for...I recall how Rufus wrote in right after voting for McCain "Northern Mississippi secure, Boss".<br /><br />I recall how you Deuce, made a mention, maybe a post, about Michael Savage's late hour endorsement of McCain, after I mentioned it.<br /><br />Whichever way the wind blows, I guess. Just go with the wind.Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-79046957382777570652015-05-17T17:20:20.938-04:002015-05-17T17:20:20.938-04:00You must have been for this adventure yourself, be...You must have been for this adventure yourself, because back in those days you were saying 'any Republican over any Democrat'.<br /><br />You voted for McCain, did you not ?<br /><br />You voted for Bush, did you not ?<br /><br />Come clean, I know you did. Rufus did as well.<br /><br />You were either an idiot then, or are an idiot now.<br /><br />It is the latter.Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-32370887934938302002015-05-17T15:28:41.387-04:002015-05-17T15:28:41.387-04:00Sen. Rand Paul considers questions about Iraq and ...<b>Sen. Rand Paul considers questions about Iraq and how to handle “secular dictators” like Saddam Hussein "important" and should be posed to all of the leading presidential candidates.</b><br /><br />Responding to a question about how former Republican Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida dealt with a week of queries about whether he would've gone into Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein, Paul responded, "I don't think it's something that's a hypothetical question. I think it's a recurring question in the Middle East. Is it a good idea to topple secular dictators, and what happens when we do?"<br /><br />He also took it a step further saying that Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton should be forced to answer similar questions about her role in overthrowing the former leader of Libya Muammar Gaddafi.<br /><br />"I think the war in Iraq was a good question and still a current question, but so is the question of, 'Should we have gone into Libya?'" the Kentucky Republican senator said.<br /><br />And Paul repeated that toppling Saddam Hussein is one of the causes of the extreme turmoil in the Middle East. "We are more at risk for attack from people who are training, organizing, and fighting in Iraq than we were before ... ISIS is more of an aberration than even Hussein was," Paul claimed.<br /><br />— Shawna Thomas<br /><br />“Jeb"Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-49579854207580306672015-05-17T15:25:20.226-04:002015-05-17T15:25:20.226-04:00Most Iraqi troops have abandoned their positions i...Most Iraqi troops have abandoned their positions in Ramadi as Islamic State (IS) militants advances further into the city, officials have told the BBC.<br /><br />IS has taken control of a key compound used as the provincial military command centre, they said.<br /><br />The prime minister called on troops not to desert their positions, while telling Shia militias to prepare to deploy to the heavily Sunni area.<br />IS claimed to hold the entire city in a message posted online.<br /><br />The message, which has not been independently verified, said militants had captured the 8th Brigade army base as well as tanks and missile launchers.<br /><br />Muhannad Haimour, a spokesman for the provincial governor, also said "Ramadi has fallen" to IS, AP news agency reported.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-43548793305558021562015-05-17T15:20:44.565-04:002015-05-17T15:20:44.565-04:00Go kill something that won’t shoot back.Go kill something that won’t shoot back.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-34164503719982548182015-05-17T14:24:17.836-04:002015-05-17T14:24:17.836-04:00When Jack doesn't like the facts and argument?...When Jack doesn't like the facts and argument?<br /><br />Change the subject, answer another question that was NOT asked...<br /><br />LOL<br /><br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-37621705634716695762015-05-17T14:23:08.274-04:002015-05-17T14:23:08.274-04:00Yep you lack English reading comprehension....
Go...Yep you lack English reading comprehension....<br /><br />Go back to school Jack...<br /><br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-3819550673458911692015-05-17T12:59:10.888-04:002015-05-17T12:59:10.888-04:00As to what Deuce posted on the marketing used to m...As to what Deuce posted on the marketing used to make 'fundamentalism' the norm and it's relationship to gay rights and atheism, all tied to the rise of "Individualism" as opposed to the 'organic unity' of the past.<br /><br />Perhaps you missed that, I wouldn't be surprised that you had.Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-67468477486137976702015-05-17T12:53:51.001-04:002015-05-17T12:53:51.001-04:00The 'norm' is not at all "quantifiabl...The 'norm' is not at all "quantifiable", Legionnaire.<br /><br />Any attempt to make it so, why that would be an interesting read.Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-7900103121216933582015-05-17T12:49:10.414-04:002015-05-17T12:49:10.414-04:00This place is a gas.This place is a gas.Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-54956858691385575682015-05-17T12:48:22.443-04:002015-05-17T12:48:22.443-04:00We should all pay upright attention to our marketi...We should all pay upright attention to our marketing expert.<br /><br />He knows.Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-24705723503095806752015-05-17T12:47:58.905-04:002015-05-17T12:47:58.905-04:00.
I will get back to this subject after I take a ....<br /><br />I will get back to this subject after I take a nap and watch the end of the Tigers game with St. Louis.<br /><br />It looks like a timely topic given Deuce's recent posts by Jeffrey Tayler (a man deserving of a post devoted solely to him) and the Ron Reagan commercials currently flooding the airways promoting atheism. Gee, when was the last time you saw Ron.<br /><br />It looks like pledge week on the Atheist Channel.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-71536734036769476132015-05-17T12:46:28.635-04:002015-05-17T12:46:28.635-04:00You're full of shit.
The One breaks into the ...You're full of shit.<br /><br />The One breaks into the Many, always and inexplicably.<br /><br />Deuce is the perfect moniker for you.<br /><br />You can't see past duality.<br /><br />It is why the Buddha is represented as mediating backwards, against time, back to the source, to the One.<br /><br />Duo, Deuce, Duality, Diablo, Duplicitous, etc etc......our language recognizes a truth you don't comprehend........<br /><br />(taken from The Perennial Philosophy)<br /><br />Poor kiddo. So full of his existential angst.Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-36506181593058767202015-05-17T12:23:45.711-04:002015-05-17T12:23:45.711-04:00.
Rat, you are merely being pedantic. Saying som....<br /><br />Rat, you are merely being pedantic. Saying something just to be saying something.<br /><br /><i>Deuce posted an entire story of how propaganda and marketing techniques were used to make "Christian Fundamentalism" the 'norm'.</i><br /><br />So what? I will be talking about the similarities between the techniques used by atheists and those used by the gay rights movement. They differ from those described in Deuce's post on fundamentalism.<br /><br />If you want to do a post expanding on techniques used to promote fundamentalism do it.<br /><br />To the rest of your statement, again, so what?<br /><br /><i>What passes for the 'norm' is pretty fluid...</i><br /><br />Nonsense, the norm is and should be quantifiable. Propaganda techniques are often used to try to make you think 'the norm is pretty fluid'. Evidently, they work.<br /><br />What I think (hope) you mean is that the norm changes over time which is true enough. However, you have to differentiate between growing trends and the norm. Regarding, your comment on fundamentalism, there is no doubt that the movement is growing rapidly but I certainly wouldn't call it the 'norm' at the moment just as I wouldn't call 'spiritualism' the norm although some argue that 'percentage-wise' it is the fastest growing 'religion' in the world right now.<br /><br />.<br /><br />Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-32249013899943719772015-05-17T12:07:28.791-04:002015-05-17T12:07:28.791-04:00But then again, when you have no other arrows in y...But then again, when you have no other arrows in your quiver ...<br /><br /><i>Harvard Law School professor Alan Dershowitz shares with his students a strategy for successfully defending cases. <br /><br />If the facts are on your side, Dershowitz says, pound the facts into the table. <br /> If the law is on your side, pound the law into the table. <br />If neither the facts nor the law are on your side, pound the table. </i><br />http://www.weegy.com/?ConversationId=206A0BA6<br /><br /><br />Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-39397792029761578942015-05-17T12:00:33.172-04:002015-05-17T12:00:33.172-04:00The most interesting part, to me ...
... the idea...The most interesting part, to me ...<br /><br /><i>... the idea of the individual being the basic unit of analysis, that individual choices are really what matters, that’s how you create yourself.<br /><br />Whereas <b>older ideas would see society as more of an organic unity, they see it as a collection of individuals.</b><br /></i><br /><br />A grand shift in what was the cultural 'norm'.<br />One not yet accepted in many areas of the world, or even by many contributors, here.Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-82991852331380499052015-05-17T11:53:30.739-04:002015-05-17T11:53:30.739-04:00Deuce posted an entire story of how propaganda and...Deuce posted an entire story of how propaganda and marketing techniques were used to make "Christian Fundamentalism" the 'norm'.<br /><br />What passes for the 'norm' is pretty fluid and as technological innovations in communication advance it will become ever more fluid. <br />This fluidity, the 'progress' is what is being fought over, all around the world.<br /><br />The 'norm' in the United States once included slavery, it no longer does.<br /><br /><br />Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-10008559671741074202015-05-17T11:42:04.294-04:002015-05-17T11:42:04.294-04:00.
I was up late last night and am too tired to ge....<br /><br />I was up late last night and am too tired to get into the subject at the moment but in scanning today's screed on the irrationality of religion and the benefits to be brought by atheism, I noticed one line about how religion was detrimental to children and it suddenly occurred to me that the atheists have now adopted the same formula that has worked so successfully for the gay community over the past six decades. [See: QuirkSun May 17, 03:39:00 AM EDT <i>The latest assault on American culture and mores: sexual fluidity and spectrum.</i>] The analogies are striking, the propaganda techniques identical, the talking points strikingly similar, all designed to transform what can only be described as aberrations from the 'norm' into the 'normal'.<br /><br />[Note: When I use the word 'aberration' I intend its basic meaning as in 'deviating from the ordinary, usual, or normal type' rather than suggesting any moral or derogatory implications. When I am ready to lay out the question, I will try to make it a 'rational' discussion of the propaganda and techniques involved.]<br /><br />.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-63028319367185888832015-05-17T11:40:56.351-04:002015-05-17T11:40:56.351-04:00It is not about Jack Hawkins, "O"rdure.
...It is not about Jack Hawkins, "O"rdure.<br /><br />Your attempts to move the discussion from the actions countries to spelling by fictional characters, infantile.<br /><br /><br /><b>Denial of basic human rights to the subjugated people, that is "Occupation"</b>Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-49393642811174353652015-05-17T11:38:11.413-04:002015-05-17T11:38:11.413-04:00It is the subjugation of the people under the gove...It is the subjugation of the people under the government's control that causes the loss of legitimacy, <br />The recognition of a government's control of a country is not to be conflated with a recognition of its legitimacy.<br /><br /><br />Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-33105874431102271962015-05-17T11:27:21.326-04:002015-05-17T11:27:21.326-04:00you need to go back and read the English again.......you need to go back and read the English again....<br /><br />LOL<br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-67284223488711729842015-05-17T11:27:19.646-04:002015-05-17T11:27:19.646-04:00AIPAC tries.AIPAC tries.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-72126143492476634572015-05-17T11:26:30.850-04:002015-05-17T11:26:30.850-04:00Deuce: Americans without convicted loyalties.
S...Deuce: Americans without convicted loyalties.<br /><br />Sounds like Joe McCarthy....<br /><br />Wow <br /><br />Let's ask the same question of arab and moslem americans..... <br /><br />Are catholic americans loyal to america or to the pope?<br /><br />Are Somolias? Ethopians? Iranians? Irish?<br /><br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-23007723762238880692015-05-17T11:25:42.713-04:002015-05-17T11:25:42.713-04:00We now know that you can stand below the nighttime...We now know that you can stand below the nighttime sky, place your hand above you and hidden behind that hand are 500 million galaxies spread over 13 billion light years. Our own galaxy has 300 billion stars, each of those three hundred billion solar systems have planets. Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-48379540714146490592015-05-17T11:25:27.216-04:002015-05-17T11:25:27.216-04:00That is the essence of "O"rdure's ca... That is the essence of "O"rdure's case, that recognition equals legitimacy?<br /><br />North Korea maintains diplomatic relations with 165 states.<br />If that is what make a government 'legitimate', well then, North Korea is 25% more legitimate than Israel.<br /><br />I would deny the government of NorK is a legitimate one, though I would not deny its existence, nor its ability to subjugate the people under its control..<br /><br />Jack Hawkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342056653466462640noreply@blogger.com