tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post2865676547727747762..comments2024-03-28T21:41:52.558-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: Only the Israeli Lobby and the Republicans can screw this deal up and if they do, should be held accountableDeuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-26734467289320009042014-11-17T18:15:04.254-05:002014-11-17T18:15:04.254-05:008 missing Iranian Jews were killed on way to Israe...8 missing Iranian Jews were killed on way to Israel<br />After two decades of uncertainty, intelligence agency tells families their relatives were ‘caught and murdered as they sought to escape’<br /><br /><br />Yep, Iran, the people who want to make peace…<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Read more: Mossad: 8 missing Iranian Jews were killed on way to Israel | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-8-missing-iranian-jews-were-killed-on-way-to-israel/#ixzz3JN2UHHnE <br />Follow us: @timesofisrael on Twitter | timesofisrael on FacebookWhat is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-86536342985915179832014-11-17T18:13:11.233-05:002014-11-17T18:13:11.233-05:00F. Glenn Miller Jr., 73, of Aurora, Missouri, told...F. Glenn Miller Jr., 73, of Aurora, Missouri, told The Kansas City Star that he went to Jewish Community Center of Greater Kansas City and a nearby Jewish retirement home "for the specific purpose of killing Jews." Miller said learned from a newspaper story the following Saturday that the people he killed were not Jewish<br /><br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-30128827795179489272014-11-17T18:05:00.984-05:002014-11-17T18:05:00.984-05:00... on a lighter, cheerier note ...
http://news.y...... on a lighter, cheerier note ...<br /><br />http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-charles-manson-gets-marriage-license-215524033.html<br />AP Exclusive: Charles Manson gets marriage licenseallenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15605114251615293411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-31163707223921923802014-11-17T17:58:12.789-05:002014-11-17T17:58:12.789-05:00... and another miserable cocksucker (too much Dea...... and another miserable cocksucker (too much Deadwood) ...<br /><br /><i><b>The 14-year-old boy, he looked 20,</b></i> he said.<br /><br />http://news.yahoo.com/supremacist-surprised-3-victims-werent-jewish-000757444.html<br />Supremacist surprised 3 victims weren't Jewishallenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15605114251615293411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-41601922137943020752014-11-17T17:39:54.038-05:002014-11-17T17:39:54.038-05:00Movahedi-Kermani, a close associate to Supreme Lea...<i>Movahedi-Kermani, a close associate to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, drew cheers of 'Death to America, Death to Israel' from his crowd of supporters...<br /><br />Meanwhile, Secretary of State John Kerry is preparing to join his colleagues from the other world powers in Vienna on Tuesday for more talks with Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif.<br /><br />However, a top U.S. diplomat Monday criticized Iran for failing to negotiate in good faith.<br /><br />'We've been disappointed in their failure thus far to constructively engage on this issue,' said Ambassador Laura Kennedy, the U.S. envoy to the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency, Reuters reported.</i><br /><br />http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Iran-nuclear-weapons-sanctions-uranium/2014/11/17/id/607839/<br />Iranian Cleric Threatens US, Israel With 'Missile Attack'<br /><br /><br />Undoubtedly, this is the fault of the Jewish Lobby.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15605114251615293411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-60516770648708530632014-11-17T17:36:57.423-05:002014-11-17T17:36:57.423-05:00What's this got to do with Iran, you ask?
Jus...What's this got to do with Iran, you ask?<br /><br />Just think about it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07877200182060537865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-74824410367029220092014-11-17T17:35:48.979-05:002014-11-17T17:35:48.979-05:00Record cold in Boise Monday morning — and possibly...Record cold in Boise Monday morning — and possibly again Tuesday<br /><br />By Statesman staff<br /><br />November 16, 2014 Updated 8 hours ago<br />Facebook Twitter Google Plus Reddit E-mail Print<br /><br />Chris Wildt took a spin up Hulls Gulch. "It’s hard work because it’s so deep," he says. "But I’m having a blast. I’ve been waiting for snow." Snow day on Friday, Nov. 14, 2014 at Camel’s Back Park in Boise, Idaho.<br /><br />BY KATHERINE JONES — /kjones@idahostatesman.com<br /><br />We're only midway through November, and winter weather records in Boise are falling left and right.<br /><br />Temperatures at the Boise Airport bottomed out at 6 degrees Monday morning, breaking a 134-year-old record of 7 degrees set on Nov. 17, 1880.<br /><br />Sunday was record breaker, too. The 4-degree low broke the previous record for that date of 5 degrees, set in 1955.<br /><br />Tuesday morning also could set another record by breaking the 7-degree low set in 1985. The forecast says it may get down to 6 degrees early Tuesday.<br /><br />An inversion has set up in the Treasure Valley, trapping cold air near the ground. That created foggy conditions Monday morning in the west Treasure Valley and likely will cause fog Tuesday and Wednesday mornings, too.<br /><br />Forecasters say a front may come through Wednesday and mix things up, breaking the inversion and possibly bringing more snow Wednesday night, Thursday and Friday.<br /><br />Boise set a record last week for the greatest amount of snow during a single storm in November: a total of 7.6 inches Thursday and Friday.<br /><br />Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/11/16/3489982_record-cold-in-boise-sunday-morning.html?rh=1#storylink=cpyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07877200182060537865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-16732447936450800642014-11-17T17:02:02.243-05:002014-11-17T17:02:02.243-05:00Hm...Hm...allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15605114251615293411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-21914171794541214482014-11-17T15:49:04.135-05:002014-11-17T15:49:04.135-05:00Actually NK is a demigod nut job and Iran's mu...Actually NK is a demigod nut job and Iran's mullahs are hidden imam nut jobs..<br /><br />I'd recommend anyone who wishes to understand Iran read a bit more about what they actually believe before assuming they are reasonable, rational and "just like us"<br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-68274844887384136312014-11-17T15:34:29.572-05:002014-11-17T15:34:29.572-05:00.
Do a little research on the entire process lead....<br /><br />Do a little research on the entire process leading up to Korea getting the bomb. it makes for interesting reading.<br /><br />Speaking of nutjobs, you don't get any more nutjob than NK. So far we haven't faced Armageddon.<br /><br />Truth is, it's a lot easier urging others to go out and blow themselves up rather than risking getting blown up yourself.<br /><br />Gadhafi learned that lesson long before he was taken out by the US.<br /><br />. Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-59514993685934927302014-11-17T14:57:04.940-05:002014-11-17T14:57:04.940-05:00No deal is better than a bad deal.No deal is better than a bad deal.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07877200182060537865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-53152200355255547212014-11-17T14:44:47.916-05:002014-11-17T14:44:47.916-05:00devil is in the details
a bad agreement is worse ...devil is in the details<br /><br />a bad agreement is worse than no agreement.<br /><br />remember north korea and the agreement we had?<br /><br />poof...What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-79456776230397590332014-11-17T14:41:06.251-05:002014-11-17T14:41:06.251-05:00>>>"It is widely acknowledged that r...>>>"It is widely acknowledged that releasing the pressure from the ayatollahs only does harm to America," he continued. "This isn’t a partisan view. This isn’t a neocon view or a hawkish view. This is a common sense view. The President is way out of the mainstream. And I am convinced that as this president moves down the path he’s headed with his, he calls it an agreement, I call it a complete capitulation, that Congress broadly, not just Republicans, will push back against it, and continue to try and place pressure on the Iranian regime."<<<<br /><br />Opinion: National Security<br />Let's kill the Iran deal<br />By Hugh Hewitt | November 16, 2014 | 5:00 pm <br /><br />http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/lets-kill-the-iran-deal/article/2556242Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07877200182060537865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-9485186249500025112014-11-17T14:36:43.068-05:002014-11-17T14:36:43.068-05:00.
Sorry, I retract the last statement.
Deuce'....<br /><br />Sorry, I retract the last statement.<br /><br />Deuce's post started out with a criticism of Israel, the country not the people. I was responding to that rather than what WiO's actually posted, a comment on the views of the American and Israeli people. Two different things.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-39584015706237410832014-11-17T14:35:41.559-05:002014-11-17T14:35:41.559-05:00We are being hoodwinked.
We are being hoodwinked.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07877200182060537865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-64567292088371154982014-11-17T14:29:37.260-05:002014-11-17T14:29:37.260-05:00.
Or people who have the time and are willing to ....<br /><br />Or people who have the time and are willing to take the time away from Facebook to read history and daily online reports coming out of the ME.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-57197575720385591082014-11-17T14:27:20.183-05:002014-11-17T14:27:20.183-05:00You can be sure that many EU member states will no...You can be sure that many EU member states will not be introducing this piece of Zionist technology to their passenger aircraft, filled with anti-Zionist citizens. BDS -- YES!<br /><br />http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Elbit-will-install-anti-missile-lasers-on-German-Air-Force-planes-382012<br />Elbit will install anti-missile lasers on German Air Force planes<br /><br />"J-MUSIC system designed to protect large military and commercial aircraft against attacks by ground to air heat seeking man-portable missiles (MANPADS).<br /><br />'The experiments, carried out in southern Israel, were some of the most complex and sophisticated ever carried out in Israel,' the Defense Ministry said at the time of the trial. 'They simulated a range of threats that the C-Music system will have to deal with.'<br /><br />'C-Music is considered the most advanced system of its kind in the world, and will provide ultimate defense to planes,' the ministry added."allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15605114251615293411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-87355792801062791612014-11-17T14:23:12.023-05:002014-11-17T14:23:12.023-05:00.
There are risks to allowing Iran to get a nucle....<br /><br />There are risks to allowing Iran to get a nuclear bomb. One it expands Iran's hegemony in the region. It could set off an arms race and nuclear proliferation amongst Iran's Sunni enemies in the region, SA being the obvious one. The obvious shorter term risks would be the danger to Israel or the broader ME. It would also eventually (after Iran develops the technical capacity) become a danger to the US. With Iran's development of long-range missiles that could deliver bombs to the US, they are capable of inflicting significant damage here, not through a contemporary attack but rather through a targeted EMP attack on the grid. <br /><br />You could be right on every particular, but...we have to ask is Iran leadership the nutjobs Israel claims or will they act in their own self-interest. While you will disagree, my vote would be for the latter. Given that any nuclear attack launched by Iran against the US or any of its allies in the ME would lead to massive retaliation that devastate their country, Iran would have to be the nutjobs you suggest. I, on the other had, believe their goals are much less apocalyptic, those being regional hegemony.<br /><br />None of the possibilities just noted are good in fact they could be very, very bad. That's a given, however...<br /><br />Then you get to the ultimate question, "What can you do about it?"<br /><br />IMO<br /><br />- If Iranians want a nuclear weapon, they will get one, one way or another, one time or another.<br /><br />- They have the people and the resources to get it done despite any sanctions opposed or any attacks launched.<br /><br />- Sanctions are definitely hurting Iran but everyone there (for the most part) wants nuclear capability (though we can argue about whether that capability is for peaceful or non-peaceful purposes). Moderates want it, hard-liners want it, people and politicians want it. Why they want it other than national pride or as you suggest to ultimately get a bomb, I don't know but they do, and that is enough.<br /><br />- If Iran really wants the bomb, more sanctions likely will not work and an attack will be difficult. You can google it in and get a long list of the difficulties. Despite the bellicosity of the opponents of a deal, when it comes down to it, the only nation with the capacity to manage an attack on Iran is the US, Were the US to attack there will be significant resistance from the American people. There will be political resistance from Rand Paul and others. <br /><br />- It's unlikely you would be able to take out Iran's capability simply by bombing them. The most you could do is delay their program. They would simply rebuild and make their future operations much more covert. Does it make any difference whether Iran gets the bomb in a couple years or that they get it in five years? <br /><br />- There are geopolitical risks associated with the attack that go beyond the obvious. Iran has economic and political ties to some powerful friends and the legality of attacking them is questionable. <br /><br />- There is also the obvious economic risks associated with disruption of the worlds oil supplies or that the conflict spread throughout the region expanding on the carnage that already exists there.<br /><br />- An attack would provide Iran with a propaganda tool in its political attacks on the US amongst Muslims.<br /><br />- A rocket attack against Israel is likely inevitable.<br /><br /><br />The likely result of the attack (short of nuclear confrontation) would be carnage on a massive scale, economic damage to the world economy, and a 'delay' in Iran's nuclear program. Five years from now we would be in the exact same position with little chance of negotiating to stop it.<br /><br />On the other hand, with a negotiated agreement now...<br /><br />- The bad, Iran was lying, stalling for time, and eventually gets the bomb.<br /><br />- The good news, Iran's bomb program is delayed a few years, the same as it would have been under the carnage mentioned above.<br /><br />If Obama, pulls off negotiating the treaty with Iran, it will be one of the few times I will be able to offer him kudos.<br /><br />.<br />Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-56425388980788987382014-11-17T14:08:31.781-05:002014-11-17T14:08:31.781-05:00The vast majority of Israelis and Americans respec...The vast majority of Israelis and Americans respect each other as people with shared values, ethics and even many goals.<br /><br />As for the few that think otherwise?<br /><br />Fringe wackos...<br /><br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-56458781211422739082014-11-17T14:07:30.201-05:002014-11-17T14:07:30.201-05:00Just a few days ago you told us: "i love isr...Just a few days ago you told us: "i love israel"<br /><br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-43956492515447256102014-11-17T13:46:54.316-05:002014-11-17T13:46:54.316-05:00Exactly what does the US gain from such an agreeme...Exactly what does the US gain from such an agreement? What does the US lose in the absence of an agreement, other than the continuation of exorbitantly expensive pistachios? allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15605114251615293411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-32606723385189543842014-11-17T13:34:05.203-05:002014-11-17T13:34:05.203-05:00It's hard to have respect for those that have ...It's hard to have respect for those that have no respect for you.Rufus IIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297231055991566183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-19252729238271452702014-11-17T13:17:02.577-05:002014-11-17T13:17:02.577-05:00See the Asia Times link below. China may not be as...See the Asia Times link below. China may not be as compliant as you think, particularly given its reliance on Saudi oil.<br /><br />If China should pitch a spanner into the gears of Mr. O's lovechild, I fully expect an imaginative thread illuminating the vastly powerful Jewish lobby controlling China -- CIPAC (possibly TIPAT).allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15605114251615293411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-13653634643480364522014-11-17T13:10:41.098-05:002014-11-17T13:10:41.098-05:00A nuclear Iran figures large.
http://www.atimes.c...A nuclear Iran figures large.<br /><br />http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/CHIN-02-101114.html<br /><b>The Sino-American comedy of errors</b><br /><br /><i>Now that the US is approaching self-sufficiency in energy resources, some senior Chinese analysts believe it wants to push the region into chaos in order to hurt China. One prominent Chinese analyst pointed out that Islamic State is led by Sunni officers trained by the United States during the 2007-2008 “surge” as well as elements of Saddam Hussein’s old army, and that this explains why IS has displayed such military and organizational competence.<br /><br />The complaint is justified, to be sure: General David Petraeus helped train the 100,000-strong “Sunni Awakening” to create a balance of power against the Shi’ite majority regime that the US helped bring to power in 2006. How, the Chinese ask, could the Bush administration and Petraeus have been so stupid? To persuade the Chinese that they were indeed that stupid is a daunting task.</i><br />allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15605114251615293411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-16168096777530020942014-11-17T12:40:25.208-05:002014-11-17T12:40:25.208-05:00If you believe that I have no respect for Israel, ...If you believe that I have no respect for Israel, you are correct. The relationship is bizarre. Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.com