tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post1894229603118519356..comments2024-03-28T06:32:24.557-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: Michelle's Family Vacation in AfricaDeuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger95125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-17003103457651278572011-06-25T19:15:23.376-04:002011-06-25T19:15:23.376-04:00.
It was Deuce who said that the two, Israel and ....<br /><br /><i>It was Deuce who said that the two, Israel and Pakistan, could not be compared, seriously.</i><br /><br />Or you can blame Deuce even though he was responding to your comment bringing up Israel in the first place the same as I did.<br /><br />Rationalization anyone?<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-53240968468597850242011-06-25T19:12:32.942-04:002011-06-25T19:12:32.942-04:00.
That puts Israel at the center of any discussio....<br /><br /><i>That puts Israel at the center of any discussion of US foreign policy.</i><br /><br />Or abortion, or any other subject <i>you</i> can think of. <br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-72343783291052683902011-06-25T16:42:49.760-04:002011-06-25T16:42:49.760-04:00It was Deuce who said that the two, Israel and Pak...It was Deuce who said that the two, Israel and Pakistan, could not be compared, seriously.<br /><br />I disagree and stated the case why I do.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-64655961888212471792011-06-25T16:40:53.920-04:002011-06-25T16:40:53.920-04:00Israel is at the center of the Middle East. At the...Israel is at the center of the Middle East. At the core of the Islamic Arc.<br /><br />It is the largest cumulative receiver of US foreign military aid, over the past forty years.<br /><br />That puts Israel at the center of any discussion of US foreign policy.<br /><br />That is not my doing.<br /><br />It is worthy of continued, on going discussion.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-50114437137416190392011-06-25T15:53:43.101-04:002011-06-25T15:53:43.101-04:00.
Israel is a sectarian State.
Irrelevant to the....<br /><br /><i>Israel is a sectarian State.</i><br /><br />Irrelevant to the whole point that started this argument.<br /><br />That point was my comment that you bring Israel into every subject on every stream here whether it has the least relevance or not.<br /><br />In this case, because Obama and Pakistan were mentioned you brought comparisons between Israel and Pakistan that were in all cases irrelevant to the subject at hand.<br /><br />It was obvious you wanted to start another tedious assault on Israel. It's your modus operendi. When it's questioned or doesn't quite work out, you switch to some other subject, today ending up with a discussion on whether Israel and Pakistan are secular states.<br /><br />What the fuck does that have to do with Obama and Pakistan?<br /><br />Zip.<br /><br />It was merely another opportunity for you to try to stick it to Israel.<br /><br />You are so blatently obvious it's a joke.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-79845946900786914692011-06-25T15:43:01.829-04:002011-06-25T15:43:01.829-04:00Losing what argument, Q?
That there are compariso...Losing what argument, Q?<br /><br />That there are comparisons between Israel and Pakistan that are both serious and relevant?<br /><br />I'm winning that one.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-84071290444360177912011-06-25T15:41:23.255-04:002011-06-25T15:41:23.255-04:00My apologies, Q, if I missed one of your posts.
T...My apologies, Q, if I missed one of your posts.<br /><br />The truth will out.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-53508538934957313062011-06-25T15:40:28.611-04:002011-06-25T15:40:28.611-04:00.
When you are losing and argument you will grab ....<br /><br />When you are losing and argument you will grab at any single comment that you can exploit and hope by emphasizing it you can blow away all the rest.<br /><br />It's the rat way.<br /><br />Unfortunately, I explained the comment before you could start on your <br /><br /><br /><i><b>Please reference the passage in the US Constitution that proclaims the US is a Christian Nation</b></i><br /><br />and<br /><br /><i>If it is there. :)</i><br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-58644295321351978332011-06-25T15:39:52.996-04:002011-06-25T15:39:52.996-04:00I understand sarcasm, Q.
I use it extensively.
A...I understand sarcasm, Q.<br /><br />I use it extensively.<br /><br />As for Israel being a secular State, that idea is false, as their Declaration exemplifies. <br /><br />Israel is a sectarian State.<br /><br />What the laws of these various sectarian States are, not my affair. I do not reside in any of them. <br /><br />I oppose the US providing weapons and/or financial aid to any and all of them that proclaim a State religion, or the religion of the State.<br /><br /><br /><br />Equality, that's the ticket.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-21910413830473350262011-06-25T15:34:52.034-04:002011-06-25T15:34:52.034-04:00.
I said the commnent on the US being a Christian....<br /><br /><i>I said the commnent on the US being a Christian nation was sarcasm.</i><br /><br />Try going back about six posts and actually reading my comment.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-58684770704636756192011-06-25T15:32:09.786-04:002011-06-25T15:32:09.786-04:00.
Can't you read either, rat.
I said the com....<br /><br />Can't you read either, rat.<br /><br />I said the commnent on the US being a Christian nation was sarcasm.<br /><br />Pakistan, Iraq. Hey, you forgot Iran. All Islamic Republics, all built on Sharia Law.<br /><br />You look at words and accept them as truth. You need to expand your your vision a little rat.<br /> <br />I don't believe there are any laws in Israel that allow a woman to be beheaded for adultery. I'm not real familiar with the Israeli judicial system, but I also doubt there are any that make it illegal for her to change her religion.<br /><br />.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-40594044180127148782011-06-25T15:27:23.490-04:002011-06-25T15:27:23.490-04:00The US Constitution is not that wordy. The Christi...The US Constitution is not that wordy. The Christian Nation reference should be easy to find and post.<br /><br />If it is there. :)desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-33423850602632879762011-06-25T15:13:33.962-04:002011-06-25T15:13:33.962-04:00Please reference the passage in the US Constitutio...<b>Please reference the passage in the US Constitution that proclaims the US is a Christian Nation.</b>desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-58771309580710272622011-06-25T15:11:36.109-04:002011-06-25T15:11:36.109-04:00The British not big upon separating Church and Sta...The British not big upon separating Church and State.<br /><br />One of the reasons we were revolted, by the English Crown.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-14404055178942494362011-06-25T15:08:05.404-04:002011-06-25T15:08:05.404-04:00Pakistan, too, is an Islamic Republic.
Set up as ...Pakistan, too, is an Islamic Republic.<br /><br />Set up as such by the British, as they were dismantling their Empire.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-31786643381234943532011-06-25T15:06:40.235-04:002011-06-25T15:06:40.235-04:00The Constitutions of Iraq and Afghanistan claim th...The Constitutions of Iraq and Afghanistan claim those countries are Islamic Republics.<br /><br />As for Israel, that it is a Jewish State was established upon its founding<br /><br /><i>CCORDINGLY WE, MEMBERS OF THE PEOPLE'S COUNCIL, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF ERETZ-ISRAEL AND OF THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT, ARE HERE ASSEMBLED ON THE DAY OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER ERETZ-ISRAEL AND, BY VIRTUE OF OUR NATURAL AND HISTORIC RIGHT AND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE RESOLUTION OF THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, <br /><br /><b>HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL. </b></i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Peace+Process/Guide+to+the+Peace+Process/Declaration+of+Establishment+of+State+of+Israel.htm" rel="nofollow">THE DECLARATION OF THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL<br />May 14, 1948</a><br /><br /><br />Please reference the passage in the US Constitution that proclaims the US is a Christian Nation.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-69199091953728496752011-06-25T14:51:30.340-04:002011-06-25T14:51:30.340-04:00.
"Christianity", not being an organize....<br /><br /><i>"Christianity", not being an organized religion, anyway.</i><br /><br />A little sarcasm rat. And about as meaningful as your comment about Isreal and Pakistan.<br /><br />Israel is one of the only secular states in the ME these days what with Turkey shifting and our turning Iraq into a religious state. Even Egypt could soon turn into a 'religious' state unless the secularist street is able to put off elections.<br /><br /><i>"Christianity", not being an organized religion, anyway.</i><br /><br />By your definition, Islam isn't an organized religion either. There are a dozen major versions and sects all at each others throats.<br /><br />So much for comparisons.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-72960591721992677392011-06-25T13:54:07.230-04:002011-06-25T13:54:07.230-04:00desert rat said...
No hate, just reality poking it...desert rat said...<br />No hate, just reality poking it's nose through the fog of Story's propaganda.<br /><br /><br /><br />Passive–aggressive behavior<br />From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<br />A pervasive pattern of negativistic attitudes and passive resistance to demands for adequate performance, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicted by four (or more) of the following:<br />passively resists fulfilling routine social and occupational tasks<br />complains of being misunderstood and unappreciated by others<br />is sullen and argumentative<br />unreasonably criticizes and scorns authority<br />expresses envy and resentment toward those apparently more fortunate<br />voices exaggerated and persistent complaints of personal misfortune<br />alternates between hostile defiance and contritionWhat is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/08237879055691019968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-30469005012488880342011-06-25T13:48:49.503-04:002011-06-25T13:48:49.503-04:00In the second place was local hatred of British an...In the second place was local hatred of British and French imperialism, which for most Muslims had theological dimensions, since it entailed being ruled by infidels. Finally, there were local concepts of nationalism, which outside of Egypt were still mostly held by ambitious intellectuals, civic notables, and military officers. The ultimate prize of self-determination was power over others. All three elements remain in play today, sometimes masquerading as one another.<br /><br />The Farhud shows that, despite Western desires, in the Middle East religion and politics have always inextricably linked. As the veneer of a secular, democratic “Arab Spring” peels it is revealing widespread support for theocracy in both Egypt and Tunisia. With elections in the fall, the Muslim Brotherhood will likely have a parliamentary majority and the opportunity to implement its project of Islamifying Egypt and repudiating the treaty with Israel. Theological antisemitism, fundamental and undisguised in the Muslim Brotherhood and its offshoot Hamas, as well as in Iran and its offshoot Hezbollah, will become a basic part of the Egyptian political program. The events of the Farhud show that antisemitism must be taken seriously. Rising persecution of Christians from Egypt to Pakistan shows that no one is immune to theological hatred.<br /><br />But another veneer is peeling, that of the nation-state itself. The American encounter with Iraq precipitated internecine warfare that showed how ethnic and religious ties are far stronger than loyalties to invented nation-states. Berbers and others are in rebellion against Gaddafi’s “Libya,” while Sunnis, Kurds, and others battle the minority Alawite Assad regime in Syria. Saudi forces occupy Bahrain to suppress the Iranian backed Shiite uprising. Bedouin tribes in Jordan rail against the Hashemite king over the issue of the Palestinians. Many Middle Eastern states survive today only because the spoils reaped by minorities controlling the whole is greater than that of the parts. Ideologies of hatred and conspiracy are key tools of control. This is not nationalism but another form of warfare.<br /><br />Finally, there is the matter of “Islamo-fascism.” There are indisputable points of contact between Islam and Nazism, but whether or not these constituted a discernable synthesis, perhaps in the person of the mufti, is a question for historians. But dismissing such observations as “Islamophobic” is both an act of historical denial and a way to label critics of modern Islamist movements as haters. This defers a true reckoning, especially in the Middle East itself. The act of remembering demands better.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />read this article from pajamas media...<br /><br />it explains the rat, his hatredsWhat is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/08237879055691019968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-52243985315693437852011-06-25T13:47:59.423-04:002011-06-25T13:47:59.423-04:00But do historical data show a widespread grassroot...But do historical data show a widespread grassroots Arab desire to exterminate Middle Eastern Jews? This is impossible to quantify. On the one hand, as Robert Satloff documents in his book Among the Righteous: Lost Stories from the Holocaust’s Long Reach into Arab Lands, there were many cases of North African Muslims sheltering Jewish neighbors from the Nazis. But on the other, far more soaked up Nazi propaganda broadcasts, Islamified by the mufti and others.<br /><br />Many real and potential collaborators were spread throughout Arab countries. Most ominously, the Nazi Einsatzgruppe that would have followed Rommel into Egypt in 1942 planned to have local Arabs do most of the dirty work. Local collaborators in Europe had demonstrated an enthusiasm for slaughtering Jews that sometimes even shocked the Nazis, and there is every reason to think that this would have been the case in the Middle East. Indeed, the sheer bestiality of the Farhud (like the Hebron massacre of 1929), replete with senseless mutilation, shows that deep-seated hatreds were being played out, not simply to kill but to degrade Jews in the act of killing and in death itself. This can only be attributed to religion.<br /><br />Numerous Nazis found shelter in the Middle East, especially Egypt and Syria, after the war, as well as employment in their security services and propaganda ministries. Some even converted to Islam, finding in it the fullest expression of their fascism. In this sense Nazism played a direct role in shaping the modern Middle East.<br /><br />Three elements drew Arab and Muslim leaders to the Nazis. First was Muslim theological antisemitism, which meshed well with Nazi racist antisemitism. Muslims needed no lessons regarding Jew hatred. The Koran and other Islamic sources are filled with verses reviling Jews as filthy schemers and betrayers of the prophet and calling for their mistreatment and murder. The lengthy history of pogroms against Jews in the Arab and Muslim worlds shows these theological exhortations were taken seriously. New, however, was the language of Jews as vermin and the fantasy of a single global Jewish conspiracy. Treatment of Jews in Germany also emboldened Muslim anti-Semites who were encouraged to prepare their own attacks.What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/08237879055691019968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-10716342772066557752011-06-25T13:47:18.884-04:002011-06-25T13:47:18.884-04:00http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/what-the-murder-of-ir...http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/what-the-murder-of-iraqi-jews-in-1941-tells-us-about-the-middle-east-today/2/<br /><br />a great read into understanding our own Rat's mentality.<br /><br />His roots are from Ishmael and that explains it all<br /><br />What the Murder of Iraqi Jews in 1941 Tells us About the Middle East Today<br />The pogrom known as the Farhud contained many elements that we can recognize in the Arab world in the 21st century.<br /><br />Seventy years ago during the Jewish holiday of Shavuot, June 1st and 2nd, 1941, Iraqis rampaged through the Jewish sections of Baghdad, killing between 100 and 600 individuals, injuring countless more, and looting whatever they could. This was the turning point in the history of Iraqi Jews, who had resided in Mesopotamia for over 2,500 years. In the decade that followed, the community was systematically disenfranchised, robbed, and largely expelled. What lessons does this hold for understanding the Middle East of today?<br /><br />The pogrom known as the Farhud (“violent dispossession”) was conducted by Iraqis. On the first day the perpetrators were soldiers, policemen, and Baghdadis, and on the second, Bedouin from outside the city eager to claim their toll of Jews and share of loot. But the Farhud also came at the point at which the Nazi-inspired and supported coup against the pro-British Iraqi monarchy was destroyed. Like the Holocaust, it is an opportunity to examine the nature of hatred in past and present.<br /><br />The question of the Nazi relationship with the Muslim and Arab worlds is far from new. Indeed, even before World War II, British and Zionist officials took note of the relationship between the “grand mufti of Jerusalem,” Haj Amin al-Husseini, and the Nazis. Long a thorn in the side of both, the mufti had been foolishly appointed by the British as the chief Muslim religious official in Jerusalem. In return, he schemed against them, the Jews, and Arab rivals from Palestine to Iraq, fomenting hatred and terrorism. Central to his ideology, and personality, was rabid hatred of Jews. Within days of Hitler’s ascent to power the mufti reached out to Nazi officials. His later record of Nazi collaboration is exceptional: conspiring against the British in Iraq after his flight from Palestine; broadcasting to the Arab world from Berlin; and raising Muslim SS divisions in the Balkans. Only by escaping to Egypt after the war with French help did he avoid a war crimes trial.<br /><br />But how much were he and his minions actually inspired by Nazism? And, to the extent that he was the central Muslim figure railing against Jews and Zionism before and after World War II, how much was Palestinian and Arab opposition ‘”Nazi-inspired” or even a local manifestation of Nazism? Did this contribute to today’s “Islamo-fascism”?<br /><br />Direct Nazi support for the mufti and for local fascists in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Iran was late, but when war came it was deep and pervasive. Money and arms flowed, and German forces entered Iraq from Vichy Syria in May 1941 to support the Sunni military officers who had launched the coup, with the encouragement of the German ambassador, Fritz Grobba. Incitement against the Jews of Iraq had been heightened by years of classroom propaganda by Palestinian Arab and Syrian teachers facilitated by the Minister of Education and Nazi enthusiast Sami Shawkat, propaganda broadcasts from Germany, and by semi-military fascist societies.<br /><br />In return, there was extensive Muslim support for the Nazis, as subversives in the Middle East, SS troops in the Balkans, and through the mufti’s direct support for the Holocaust. It was he who went relentlessly from office to office urging Nazi officials not to barter Jews, including children, in exchange for goods but to send them to their deaths in Poland.What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/08237879055691019968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-33215854224701545842011-06-25T13:32:34.519-04:002011-06-25T13:32:34.519-04:00No hate, just reality poking it's nose through...No hate, just reality poking it's nose through the fog of Story's propaganda.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-85269845227117722922011-06-25T13:17:23.409-04:002011-06-25T13:17:23.409-04:00Why was any spit trying to "talk" to an ...Why was any spit trying to "talk" to an anti-semite like rat?<br /><br />He distorts, he lies and he misdirects.<br /><br />The simple truth?<br /><br />The overwhelming majority of Americans "get it'<br /><br />Rat shows the current "delegitimation" strategy trend that the Jew hating, israel hating and zionist hating person attempt in every forum.<br /><br />The good news? The world is waking up.<br /><br />Rat, acorn, answer coalition and others are losing support on a daily basis. <br /><br />Rat is on a sinking ship, he (and others) side with support for islamic "democracy" at all costs.<br /><br />He tries to stir up the scapegoat of israel (and jews) for all ills in the world..<br /><br />It's an old screech...<br /><br />He's just a tired, old mean spirited bully that hates Israel and Jews...<br /><br />No reason to "argue" or have rational discussions with him.<br /><br />No reason or logic could apply.<br /><br />He is infected with the age old "jew hatred" that has been around for thousands of years.<br /><br />His end will not be pretty, but it will be predictable...<br /><br />Watch, his screeds will continue..<br /><br />He has 100 "anti-israel/antijew/anti-zionism" factoids that he will roll out at any opportunity and if you notice he poisons almost every thread with his crap...<br /><br />predictable as the sun rising...What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/08237879055691019968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-44047152321998084732011-06-25T13:15:29.651-04:002011-06-25T13:15:29.651-04:00No, the US is not a Christian Nation, excepting fo...No, the US is not a Christian Nation, excepting for Mr Bush and his 1,000 points of light, which I found repulsive in funding religious charities with Federal monies.<br /><br />"Christianity", not being an organized religion, anyway.<br /><br />There are Muslim Chaplains in the US Army, there are none in the IDF, nor Priests in the Pakistani Army.<br /><br />Not a one.desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-12274408753653799032011-06-25T13:09:39.317-04:002011-06-25T13:09:39.317-04:00.
Nick Sarkozy says France and Britian are bearin....<br /><br />Nick Sarkozy says France and Britian are bearing the major burden in Libya and that the US should be doing more.<br /><br />He also indicated that Gates' criticism of the allies not doing their fair share in NATO is mistaken. He says that Gates recent speech betrays a "bit of bitterness". He offers no reason for the bitterness.<br /><br />Perhaps Gates is bitter over the fact that the allies aren't doing their share in NATO.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.com