tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post115939136616255146..comments2024-03-28T21:41:52.558-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: But We Don't Need a WallDeuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1159407656938548022006-09-27T21:40:00.000-04:002006-09-27T21:40:00.000-04:00Obstruction and Protection are beneficial in both ...Obstruction and Protection are beneficial in both law and war, in matters of life and death and sobriety dictates the curtain, if it is to be drawn , be drawn quickly, for the rabble are hungry for what is not theirs and morality demands we deny them.Habuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15883037170077821624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1159406181455926182006-09-27T21:16:00.000-04:002006-09-27T21:16:00.000-04:00..."It is in vain, sir, to extentuate the matter. ......"It is in vain, sir, to extentuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1159406065069043492006-09-27T21:14:00.000-04:002006-09-27T21:14:00.000-04:00Habu:"Every wall is shameful to those who are conn...Habu:<BR/><BR/>"Every wall is shameful to those who are connected to that which is being divided."<BR/><BR/>I guess I wanted to just suggest that those who object to walls are the one's who fancy it an obstruction and not protection. There connection can be tenuous, as in the Open Borders college students enamored with leftist social theories. Or the connection can be economic. In either case, its a concrete curtain drawn across the theatre that up until then drew in the kiddies with promises of dysjunctive utopia.ppabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05397701842612162531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1159405232541337162006-09-27T21:00:00.000-04:002006-09-27T21:00:00.000-04:00And for those who need some backbone (few here at ...And for those who need some backbone (few here at EB need any more backbone, we seem to be of steel) however I offer this, which rivals Henry V St. Crispin Days speech.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/henry.shtml" REL="nofollow">On Guts</A>Habuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15883037170077821624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1159404462023137782006-09-27T20:47:00.000-04:002006-09-27T20:47:00.000-04:00bloodydarkpastryman, And to the critics. Try out t...bloodydarkpastryman,<BR/> And to the critics. Try out the following by Teddy Roosevelt.<BR/><BR/>"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."Habuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15883037170077821624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1159404137908724632006-09-27T20:42:00.000-04:002006-09-27T20:42:00.000-04:00bloodydarkpastrymanSay what dude? "Every wall is s...bloodydarkpastryman<BR/>Say what dude?<BR/><BR/> "Every wall is shameful to those who are connected to that which is being divided."<BR/><BR/>I can't decide if this is sophistry,adult neologism,or just<BR/>doublespeak.<BR/>Whatever it is, it's like wrong.Habuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15883037170077821624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1159403299206082952006-09-27T20:28:00.000-04:002006-09-27T20:28:00.000-04:00To travel from Germany into Switzerland requires p...To travel from Germany into Switzerland requires passing through a long, wide series of check points, a de facto wall. Were it not for the Alps, Switzerland might have built a wall long ago.<BR/><BR/>As to shame, the only shame should lie with those who would unlawfully violate the sovereignty of a neighbor.allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01798524644256471907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1159403169448429712006-09-27T20:26:00.000-04:002006-09-27T20:26:00.000-04:00The Sauds know something that US do not."Saudi Ara...The Sauds know something that US do not.<BR/><BR/><I>"Saudi Arabia, ... ... plans to spend up to $7 billion on a partly virtual fence along its 500-mile border with Iraq. The ultramodern barrier will combine fencing, electronic sensors and sand berms. Saudi and U.S. sources tell TIME the kingdom is seeking bids from contractors, including U.S. defense giant Raytheon. (A Raytheon spokesman says the Saudis asked the company not to comment.)<BR/><BR/>Saudi diplomats say <B>the fence is intended to stop weapons and drug smuggling and illegal immigration.</B> ..."</I>desert rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369546288659566961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1159402836257490552006-09-27T20:20:00.000-04:002006-09-27T20:20:00.000-04:00Establishing walls in democracies seem to be rife ...Establishing walls in democracies seem to be rife with problems. Any practical wall can become a "wall of shame" at the turn of a phrase, and without fail, nearly every wall, be they in Spain, Saudi Arabia-Yemen, Kashmir-India, Bangladesh-India and now Saudi Arabia-Iraq are criticized as such.<BR/><BR/>Nonetheless, the controversy remains phrases and eventually those walls get built, miles upon miles of them. <BR/><BR/>Isreal had something of an ambiguous status quo that didn't seem to eager to construct a physical barrier in the West Bank, in spite of the boundary's rampant infiltration. The <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinarium_massacre" REL="nofollow">Dolphinarium Massacre</A> persuaded Israelis to start the effort at the <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#Grassroots_effort" REL="nofollow">grass roots</A> level, with an interesting advocacy group called <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fence_for_Life" REL="nofollow">"Fence for Life"</A><BR/><BR/>We're following the Israeli playbook and my money says the wall is getting built. American's didn't need a Dolphinarium Massacre, though perhaps it could be argued they had to suffer a different, less dramatic kind of harm over a wider area before they came to their senses. <BR/><BR/>I wouldn't confuse the winds of fashion with the winds of change here. Every wall is shameful to those who are connected to that which is being divided. The anti-wall advocates may have persuaded a few folks in government, but American's either won't care enough to vote decisively against it or are specifically voting for it.ppabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05397701842612162531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1159401284409714762006-09-27T19:54:00.000-04:002006-09-27T19:54:00.000-04:00The United States is the perfect example of lettin...The United States is the perfect example of letting your greatest strength become you greatest and deadliest weakness.<BR/><BR/>Diversity.Habuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15883037170077821624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-1159400960056433272006-09-27T19:49:00.000-04:002006-09-27T19:49:00.000-04:00We need a wall. We also need a Home Guard of forme...We need a wall. We also need a Home Guard of former military men/women to man guard towers and shoot infiltrators.<BR/>They are INVADING our country. I don't care if it appears to be for benign reasons like a better life, we must control our borders.<BR/>The NIE succinctly put says, "we got a mess and it's here too" <BR/> Well this is part of the mess. Already 40% of Los Angelenos speak only Spanish..40% Mexican thinking is revanchist and inimical to our security.<BR/>Illegals we shoot to kill with their first step on US soil. With no apologies for defending OUR country.Habuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15883037170077821624noreply@blogger.com