tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post1123578087802162661..comments2024-03-28T21:41:52.558-04:00Comments on The Elephant Bar: One Step Closer to a Nuclear Arms Deal with IranDeuce ☂http://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-11364148090428923622015-08-27T07:20:26.634-04:002015-08-27T07:20:26.634-04:00.
The Idaho state motto,
Drink! Don't Think....<br /><br />The Idaho state motto,<br /><br /><b>Drink! Don't Think!</b><br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-78906915381442294812015-08-27T06:59:56.940-04:002015-08-27T06:59:56.940-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-14974835942896374102015-08-27T06:58:29.558-04:002015-08-27T06:58:29.558-04:00.
Likely, answer .d, none of the above.
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.<br /><br />Likely, answer .d, none of the above.<br /><br />.<br />Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-5026657642378283272015-08-26T23:38:20.381-04:002015-08-26T23:38:20.381-04:00Time will tell.
I suggest that those that support...Time will tell.<br /><br />I suggest that those that support the appeasing of Iran will in time be shown to be stupid, naive or evil<br /><br />Which is it?What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-40855431614204296502015-08-26T23:37:26.346-04:002015-08-26T23:37:26.346-04:00No, I hope that specifically Deuce, Rufus, Rat and...No, I hope that specifically Deuce, Rufus, Rat and Quirk experience the pain personally.<br /><br />I never said that i wanted america to be destroyed.<br /><br />And it's "Israel" not "Isreal" <br /><br />moronWhat is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-90737810011421270072015-08-26T23:00:43.853-04:002015-08-26T23:00:43.853-04:00I think add much attention should be payed to IAPA...I think add much attention should be payed to IAPAC, As AIPAC -<br /><br />Traitor Senators Took Money from Iran Lobby, Back Iran Nukes<br />The Democrats are becoming a party of atom bomb spies.<br />August 25, 2015<br />Daniel Greenfield<br />165<br />1.7K<br /><br />Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam.<br /><br />Senator Markey has announced his support for the Iran deal that will let the terrorist regime inspect its own Parchin nuclear weapons research site, conduct uranium enrichment, build advanced centrifuges, buy ballistic missiles, fund terrorism and have a near zero breakout time to a nuclear bomb.<br /><br />There was no surprise there.<br /><br />Markey had topped the list of candidates supported by the Iran Lobby. And the Iranian American Political Action Committee (IAPAC) had maxed out its contributions to his campaign.<br /><br />After more fake suspense, Al Franken, another IAPAC backed politician who also benefited from Iran Lobby money, came out for the nuke sellout.<br /><br />Senator Jeanne Shaheen, the Iran Lobby’s third Dem senator, didn’t bother playing coy like her colleagues. She came out for the deal a while back even though she only got half the IAPAC cash that Franken and Markey received.<br /><br />As did Senator Gillibrand, who had benefited from IAPAC money back when she first ran for senator and whose position on the deal should have come as no surprise.<br /><br />The Iran Lobby had even tried, and failed, to turn Arizona Republican Jeff Flake. Iran Lobby cash had made the White House count on him as the Republican who would flip, but Flake came out against the deal. The Iran Lobby invested a good deal of time and money into Schumer, but that effort also failed.<br /><br />Still these donations were only the tip of the Iran Lobby iceberg............<br /><br />http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/259895/traitor-senators-took-money-iran-lobby-back-iran-daniel-greenfield<br /><br />Good night.Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-76566661536641817332015-08-26T22:55:16.335-04:002015-08-26T22:55:16.335-04:00Five former U.S. ambassadors to Israel from admini...<b>Five former U.S. ambassadors to Israel from administrations of both parties, and three former U.S. Under Secretaries of State (including Thomas Pickering, who held both jobs), who issued a public letter on Monday supporting the deal. </b><br /><br />Sample passage: “Those who advocate rejection of the JCPOA [the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action on Iran’s Nuclear Program, a.k.a. the deal] should assess carefully the value and feasibility of any alternative strategy. … The consequences of rejection are grave: U.S. responsibility for the collapse of the agreement; the inability to hold the P5+1 together for the essential international sanctions regime and such other action that may be required against Iran; and the real possibility that Iran will decide to build a nuclear weapon under significantly reduced or no inspections.”<br /><br /> — More than 100 former U.S. ambassadors, career and political alike, and from both parties, who signed a similar public letter endorsing the deal. It begins, “The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) with Iran stands as a landmark agreement in deterring the proliferation of nuclear weapons.”<br /><br /> — <b>More than 60 American “national-security leaders”—politicians, military officers, strategists, Republicans and Democrats—who issued their own public letter urging Congress to approve the deal. E.g., “We congratulate President Obama and all the negotiators for a landmark agreement unprecedented in its importance for preventing the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iran.” Here are a few Republicans who signed this letter: former Special Trade Representative Carla Hills; former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill; former Senator Nancy Landon Kassebaum. Here are a few Democrats: former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright; former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell; former Defense Secretary William Perry. I’m resisting saying:</b><br /><br />But what do any of them know, compared with Mike Huckabee?<br />Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-2509398257380415792015-08-26T22:48:43.496-04:002015-08-26T22:48:43.496-04:00WHY IS SAUDI ARABIA NOW SUPPORTING THE DEAL?
CAPT...<b> WHY IS SAUDI ARABIA NOW SUPPORTING THE DEAL?</b><br /><br />CAPTION: Saudi Arabia has long been one of the Iran deal's fiercest critics, along with Israel.<br />But in the last month it has shifted its position to one of support, which it is now using as leverage for security and reassurance from the United States.<br /><br />PHYLLIS BENNIS, INSTITUTE FOR POLICY STUDIES: Saudi opposition to the deal was never really primarily about the possibility of Iran someday maybe getting a nuclear weapon. What they were really worried about and continue to be worried about is the fact that Saudi Arabia sees in Iran a regional competitor for basic issues of power, control of oil, economic power, and crucially military power.<br /><br />BEN NORTON, JOURNALIST: The U.S. Secretary of Defense Ash Carter met with the Saudi royal family and discussed the deal. And at that point, this is in late July, the Saudi royal family changed their position and King Salman now says he supports the deal. This is what some Saudi analysts have claimed. In their view, the nuclear deal may in fact weaken the Iranian regime. They see it as a way of opening Iran to Western influence and to the international community, in a way introducing democratizing elements and things like that.<br /><br />BENNIS: Presumably what happened there is that there was some kind of an agreement that whatever shifts may occur in the future between the U.S. and Iran, the U.S. would continue sending billions of dollars worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia, would continue to act as a guarantor of the Saudi state. Three years ago Saudi Arabia led a region-wide arms deal with the U.S. of $60 billion. It was the biggest arms deal in the history of the world. There had never been one anything close to that. And I think that there were probably guarantees made when Ashton Carter was there to visit, the Secretary of Defense, that those deals would continue.<br /><br />GIORGIO CAFIERO, FOUNDER, GULF STATE ANALYTICS: We also should keep in mind that Saudi Arabia is engaged in an ongoing military campaign in Yemen that the United States is backing. If it weren't for Washington's support Saudi Arabia would not be able to carry out the military campaign the way it is right now. And I think Saudi Arabia, for all of its reservations about the nuclear agreement, they really wanted to play the good ally and not do what the Israeli government did and officially oppose the agreement. So we might see Saudi Arabia pursue these proxy wars in the region more aggressively. And of course there are some great risks to that, as the continuation of the crises in Syria and Yemen helps out groups like Daish and al-Qaeda more than anyone else. And I think this kind of a reaction on the part of Saudi Arabia entails much risk for the region.<br /><br />End<br /><br />RealNewsDeuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-79816984220875901872015-08-26T22:42:17.535-04:002015-08-26T22:42:17.535-04:00Republican voters oppose the deal by 86 to 3 perce...Republican voters oppose the deal by 86 to 3 percent who support. The Republican Party is more and more a dwindling right-wing, Christian conservative organization. For the record, Republicans and Democrats in Congress each get one of their worst approval ratings ever as voters disapprove 75 - 17 percent of the job Republicans are doing and disapprove 63 - 29 percent of the job Democrats are doing.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-34084714583262181962015-08-26T22:31:10.968-04:002015-08-26T22:31:10.968-04:00Nearly 200 retired U.S. military generals and admi...<i>Nearly 200 retired U.S. military generals and admirals sent a letter to Congressional leaders Wednesday, asking them to vote down the Iran nuclear deal.<br /><br />According to The Washington Post, which obtained a copy of the letter, many of the signees have worked in the White House going back three decades.<br /><br />The letter was addressed to House Speaker John Boehner, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, and Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid.<br /><br />"As you know, on July 14, 2015, the United States and five other nations announced that a Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) has been reached with Iran to prevent it from developing nuclear weapons," the letter reads. <br /><br />"In our judgment as former senior military officers, the agreement will not have that effect. Removing sanctions on Iran and releasing billions of dollars to its regime over the next ten years is inimical to the security of Israel and the Middle East. There is no credibility within JCPOA's inspection process or the ability to snap back sanctions once lifted, should Iran violate the agreement. In this and other respects, the JCPOA would threaten the national security and vital interests of the United States and, therefore, should be disapproved by the Congress.<br /><br />"The agreement as constructed does not 'cut off every pathway' for Iran to acquire<br />nuclear weapons. To the contrary, it actually provides Iran with a legitimate path to doing that simply by abiding by the deal."<br /><br />Warning that Iran could have nuclear weapons in 10 years, the group of retired military officials says it’s “unconscionable" that the Iran agreement will provide Iran with around $150 billion in sanctions relief.</i> <br /><br /><br />Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/iran-nuclear-deal-national-security-congress/2015/08/26/id/672071/#ixzz3jyffNxfr <br /><br />--------------------------<br /><br /><b>Big Fucking Whoop</b><br /><br />Almost 200 generals and flag rank officers agree on opposing the Iran deal. Impressive? Hardly. There are over 4700 living retired generals and flag rank officers. Do the math and you have 4% of all retired US generals and flag officers agreeing that the Iran deal is a bad deal.<br /><br />US military officers lean conservative and Republicans as do much of the mercenary army. Prior to ending the draft, the officer corps was Republican and the enlisted ranks were Democratic. The officer corps could not wait to get rid of the draftees and fill the ranks with “professionals”. If getting 4% of that crew is the best that they have, this deal is done.Deuce ☂https://www.blogger.com/profile/13472858446242700869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-70495772736383786512015-08-26T22:30:00.780-04:002015-08-26T22:30:00.780-04:00But not driving.But not driving.Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-53806499730731201842015-08-26T22:04:18.967-04:002015-08-26T22:04:18.967-04:00level, I've been drinkinglevel, I've been drinkingCharltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-28170118469487538562015-08-26T22:02:57.196-04:002015-08-26T22:02:57.196-04:00O shut up, Quirk.
You sound like a moron.
The ki...O shut up, Quirk.<br /><br />You sound like a moron.<br /><br />The kind of drunk driver that would wish to supply his own blood alcohol lever 24 days after the vehicular homicide.Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02337923317977922025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-81114875250795664592015-08-26T21:34:33.497-04:002015-08-26T21:34:33.497-04:00Ditto!Ditto!Ashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16688752302081088907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-84847345447669645282015-08-26T17:40:21.423-04:002015-08-26T17:40:21.423-04:00Rep. Betty McCollum, D-Minn., has asked the Depart...Rep. Betty McCollum, D-Minn., has asked the Department of Justice to investigate whether the deaths of two Palestinian youths at the hands of Israeli security forces at a protest last spring violate the Leahy Law.<br /><br />From The Huffington Post:<br /><br />“The murders of Nadeem Nawara and Mohammad Daher highlight a brutal system of occupation that devalues and dehumanizes Palestinian children,” she wrote in a letter to two State Department officials, referring to the teenagers who were shot and killed May 15, 2014, during a protest at the Ofer prison in the West Bank. “It is time for a strong and unequivocal statement of U.S. commitment to the human rights of Palestinian children living under Israeli occupation,” McCollum continued in the letter, which was publicly released on Monday.<br /><br />The protests were part of the annual remembrance of Nakba Day, the Palestinian term for the day after Israel declared itself a state in 1948. The Israeli military initially denied using live ammunition at the protest, insisting that security forces only used rubber bullets to disperse the crowd. But a bloodied bullet was found in Nawara’s backpack, and an autopsy showed an entry and exit wound in his body. At his family’s request, Daher did not have an autopsy.<br /><br />A compilation of live video footage from news outlets and closed-circuit television from a local business show that neither boy was actively participating in the protest or posing a threat to Israeli soldiers when shot.<br />Deucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09795547877694092754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-71180305602510623482015-08-26T17:35:13.475-04:002015-08-26T17:35:13.475-04:00Israel is an occupying power. It is a taker of lan...Israel is an occupying power. It is a taker of lands. Germany was the same. <br /><br />Israel claims to have an ancient right to the lands it took. Nazi Germany made the same claim, as did Fascist Italy.<br /><br />The Dutch, Poles and French resisted the occupation as are the Palestinians.<br /><br />Sorry that the facts upset you.Deucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09795547877694092754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-57026017432711656012015-08-26T17:29:51.256-04:002015-08-26T17:29:51.256-04:00This my friends is what happens to you when you ha...This my friends is what happens to you when you have conflicting loyalties as an Israel-firster. A wish that the US gets destroyed because Isreal, the first love, did not get its way.Deucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09795547877694092754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-58057163513968655912015-08-26T15:20:32.861-04:002015-08-26T15:20:32.861-04:00.
You cannot be intellectually honest.
So you bl....<br /><br /><i>You cannot be intellectually honest.<br /><br />So you bloviate in some cases or in shorter sequences you just out and out lie……</i><br /><br /><br />Be specific.<br /><br />You can't expect to keep putting out your faux history of the world without being challenged.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-42701680885728500132015-08-26T13:44:19.073-04:002015-08-26T13:44:19.073-04:00I hope I am around to watch your appeasing of Iran...I hope I am around to watch your appeasing of Iran literally blow up in your own faces.<br /><br />You deserve it.What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-37425335939041631982015-08-26T13:43:59.725-04:002015-08-26T13:43:59.725-04:00Hardly.
Mr Quirk.
You cannot be intellectually h...Hardly.<br /><br />Mr Quirk.<br /><br />You cannot be intellectually honest. <br /><br />So you bloviate in some cases or in shorter sequences you just out and out lie……<br /><br />What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-84735582457791134052015-08-26T12:55:13.311-04:002015-08-26T12:55:13.311-04:00.
I answered you above.
..<br /><br />I answered you above.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-58553431014875297872015-08-26T12:51:20.462-04:002015-08-26T12:51:20.462-04:00I hope I am around to watch your appeasing of Iran...I hope I am around to watch your appeasing of Iran literally blow up in your own faces.<br /><br />You deserve it.What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-51620106263806555372015-08-26T12:50:30.785-04:002015-08-26T12:50:30.785-04:00Sophistry.
soph·ist·ry
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the ...Sophistry.<br /><br />soph·ist·ry<br />ˈsäfəstrē/Submit<br />noun<br />the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.<br />a fallacious argument.<br />plural noun: sophistries<br />synonyms: specious reasoning, fallacy, sophism, casuistry More<br /><br /><br />Are you referring to: <br /><br />Deuce ☂Wed Aug 26, 10:46:00 AM EDT<br />Complaining about Hamas and Hezbollah is the equivalent of the Germans complaining about the Dutch, Polish and French underground. That is the price of occupation.<br /><br /><br />Seems to fit..What is "Occupation"https://www.blogger.com/profile/02054075097495500689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-15590187194923931472015-08-26T12:06:08.123-04:002015-08-26T12:06:08.123-04:00.
And you are a moron and apologist.
I gave you....<br /><br />And you are a moron and apologist. <br /><br />I gave you a direct answer. I'll be more concerned about Hamas when the US stops making up excuses for Israeli actions.<br /><br />You would like to have it both ways but it doesn't work that way.<br /><br />Your statement that Israel doesn't OCCUPY Gaza is pure sophistry. Gaza is an open air prison controlled by Israel; yet, you seek brownie points because the IDF doesn't patrol the cell blocks.<br /><br />On a regular basis, you offer us faux alternative history as to how Israel came into being and claims of what Israel was 'promised' as if promises, even if they were true, mean shit in the real world.<br /><br />You stomp your little feet crying that the nuclear deal doesn't accomplish every fantasy land demand coming out of Israel as if most of those demands have shit to do with an NPT treaty.<br /><br />Then you demand that WE solve all of Israel's problems with Hamas (a group formed in '88 to resist Israeli's 20 year, at the time, occupation of Palestine) and Hezbollah (a group formed in '82 to resist Israel's continued occupation at the time of Lebanon).<br /><br />We've done our part. Damn, we have written into US law an obligation to assure Israel remains with a qualitative military edge over all other countries in the region. What other country have we done that for? We give Israel billions every year, more aid than any country. We are now talking about giving them more billions more in baksheesh to shut them up about the nuclear deal. The deal itself will be the excuse for America borrowing more billions in the future so that we can ship it off to Israel. And is Israel grateful. Fuck no. Nothing is good enough. <br /><br />You are a whining, sniveling little shit.<br /><br />I'm a coward? If you say so.<br /><br />But you are THE complete asshole. No one else comes close.<br /><br />It's time Israel handles all the shit it create on its own and stops coming to the US to bail it out, bail it out with aid, bail it out by covering for its actions with the UN, bail it out by subordinating American interests to those of Israel.<br /><br />What should be done with Hamas or Hezbollah? Frankly, I don't give a shit. We've got bigger problems with ISIS, and frankly they, unlike Israel, are helping us with that problem at the moment.<br /><br />Iran? Same thing. We have much bigger concerns right now. Russia and China come to mind. And right now Iran is also helping is with out ISIS problem.<br /><br />Quit bitching. We both know where everyone here stands on the nuclear deal. That won't change. Now, the only thing we all can do is count votes and wait.<br /><br />.Quirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00272168240606512672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21297199.post-79952493327763338582015-08-26T11:18:28.969-04:002015-08-26T11:18:28.969-04:00The Reactionary Soul
AUGUST 26, 2015 7:13 AM Aug...<b>The Reactionary Soul</b><br /><br /> AUGUST 26, 2015 7:13 AM August 26, 2015 7:13 am 22 Comments<br /><br />Frank Bruni marvels at polls indicating that Donald Trump, with his multiple marriages and casinos, is the preferred candidate among Republican evangelicals. Others are shocked to see a crude mercantilist make so much headway in the alleged party of free markets. What happened to conservative principles?<br /><br />Actually, nothing — because those alleged principles were never real. Conservative religiosity, conservative faith in markets, were never about living a godly life or letting the invisible hand promote entrepreneurship. Instead, it was all as Corey Robin describes it: Conservatism is<br /><br />a reactionary movement, a defense of power and privilege against democratic challenges from below, particularly in the private spheres of the family and the workplace.<br /><br />It’s really about who’s boss, and making sure that the man in charge stays boss. Trump is admired for putting women and workers in their place, and it doesn’t matter if he covets his neighbor’s wife or demands trade wars.<br /><br />The point is that Trump isn’t a diversion, he’s a revelation, bringing the real motivations of the movement out into the open.<br /><br /><a href="http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/08/26/the-reactionary-soul/?_r=0" rel="nofollow">PK - New York Times</a>galopn2https://www.blogger.com/profile/10149969176825932175noreply@blogger.com